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Post by deziloooooo on May 27, 2011 15:01:35 GMT -5
To Readers of this thread, as new articles come available , same topic, Lybia, they will be added to this thread to save room on Pro Board zone, keep all together as best as it can. Go to the end to read current article , will have same header as thread title.------------------------------------------------------------ Russia to mediaten Gaddafis possible exit, leaving power in LybiaThis is a Potential Biggie, naturally no final ending yet, but they are in negotiation with elements with in Gaddafi's enterage, possible sons uinvolved. While aginst the attacks by Nato and coalation forces, that they have changed their mind on his staying in power, and willing to be involved beyond just as a no vote or staying on the side lines offering criticizm and actually lend it's power, [all those Nuc's, delivery systems, yes a power} and national prestige , hey we all have been complaining here along the lines of , "Do we have to be the only ones leading these things", that to me is also a good thing to see, possible we will see more of their active participation in the future. ----------------------------------------------------- english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/05/2011527114252533477.html-------------------------------------------------------------- [click on link to read article] -------------------------------------------------------------- Africa Russia agrees to mediate Gaddafi exit Moscow changes tack at the G8 meeting in France, saying Gaddafi has 'forfeited legitimacy' to rule Libya. The 'Arab Spring', particularly unrest in Libya and Syria, was high on the agenda at the G8 summit [Reuters] Russia has agreed to mediate the exit of Muammar Gaddafi, Libya's leader, after leaders at the Group of Eight (G8) meeting in France called on Russia to take the role. "Sergei Ryabkov, the Russian deputy foreign minister, told reporters on Friday that "Gaddafi has forfeited legitimacy" and that Russia is ready "to help him go". Soon after, Mikhail Margelov, Moscow's special representative on Africa told reporters that his country is ready to negotiate Gaddafi's departure. Margelov explained that Russia is in contact with Gaddafi's entourage, and that they are willing to negotiate Libyan leader’s fate. "We shouldn't talk to Gaddafi himself but with members of his cabinet, possibly with his sons. And we are making such contacts, so there is a hope for a political resolution," Margelov told reporters at the G8 summit in northern France. When asked to specify who Russia's main partner would be in such talks, he said, "Can you imagine, if I give you this person's name and his head were to be cut off the next day? But yes, we do have people in Gaddafi's camp." Keep up with all the latest developments here Russia has been critical of the NATO-led bombing campaign, but after months of violent and bloody clashes, agreed that Gaddafi should step aside. Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, thanked Dmitry Medvedev, his Russian counterpart, for helping efforts to resolve the conflict in Libya. The French leader also confirmed that he planned to visit Benghazi, the rebel stronghold of eastern Libya, and suggested the trip would be made with David Cameron, the British prime minister. "We spoke about this with David Cameron. It should be a Franco-British initiative," he said at the Deauville summit, but added no date had been set. Cameron, who did not confirm the journey, said NATO's campaign in the northern African nation was entering a new phase and that "momentum against Gaddafi is really building". "So it is right that we are ratcheting up the military, economic and the political pressure," he said. Earlier in the day, Barack Obama, the US president, said the UN mandate in Libya could not be met while Gaddafi stayed in the country. "We agreed that we have made progress on our Libya campaign, but that meeting the UN mandate of civilian protection cannot be accomplished when Gaddafi remains in Libya, directing his forces ... and we are joined in [our] resolve to finish the job," he said"
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Post by deziloooooo on May 27, 2011 17:10:21 GMT -5
Seems lots of stories coming out of Lybia, now Debka says a cease fire between rebels and Gaddafi, as rebels realize Obama not going to up the ante and not give any more major help toard removing Gaddafi , Europe not strong enough to shortly remove gaddafi so negotiations between the parties is next on the table. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.debka.com/article/20969/------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sat May 28, 2011Breaking News Qaddafi and rebel commanders agree on truce. NATO carries on war DEBKAfile Exclusive Report May 26, 2011, 9:39 AM (GMT+02:00) in Libya is winding down. debkafile's exclusive military sources report that Muammar Qaddafi and the rebel commanders are close to concluding a series of accords for ending the war after two weeks of secret talks. Meanwhile, as NATO warplanes continued to pound Tripoli Wednesday night, May 25, fighting on the ground receded to small pockets where a few rebel commanders are still holding out. However the primary battlefields of Misrata, Brega and Ajdabia have fallen silent as the ceasefire begins to take hold. The talks led by Qaddafi's chief of intelligence Abdullah Sanousi made enough progress this week for both sides to agree to go public on the call for a ceasefire. This prompted Libyan Prime Minister Al-Baghdadi al-Mahmoudi to send a letter to world leaders proposing an immediate UN-monitored ceasefire. He said Qaddafi's regime is ready to enter into unconditional talks with rebels, declare an amnesty for both sides, draft a new constitution and create a different form of government. But first the fighting must stop. He made no mention of any plans for Qaddafi to quit. Our sources report that the text of the prime minister's letter was taken from the draft accords already covered by government and rebel negotiators. In London, US President Barack Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron agreed after they met Wednesday that Qaddafi should step down and leave Libya but they also admitted that to achieve this objective the fighting would be drawn out. "We may have to be more patient than people would like," said Obama. Neither ruled out a possible ceasefire. Meanwhile, NATO continues to bomb often empty buildings in Tripoli still hoping to kill the Libyan ruler and so cut the war short with a victory. This week, too, alliance bombers targeted Nalyut 230 kilometers west of Tripoli in the Nafussa Mountains where debkafile reports Berber tribes are fighting a secessionist war against Qaddafi unrelated to the Benghazi revolt. According to our military sources, the rebel commanders decided to go for a deal with Qaddafi when they saw the Obama administration had no intention of contributing anything further to war and without the US, NATO would never defeat him. Negotiating for terms for ending the war looked like the better option."
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Post by deziloooooo on May 29, 2011 16:54:11 GMT -5
I know it's been off the front pages but things are still going on there, and now it seems that there is starting to be a consensus between the different parties of more diverse parties banding together to show a united front for the removal of Gaddafi from power. To me , the good thing is it is being done by themselves for the most part. The coalition is keeping it a more honest conflict , but the Libyans are the ones doing the fighting and the dying. Lybia is very tribal in make up, and the largest Tribe, who Gaddafi was courting , both by the carrot, buying off, and the stick, "Don't take the carrot I will hit you with the stick" , the leaders of the Tribe are in Turkey and calling on their people to join the insurgents, for Gaddafi to go, but not leave, they want o bring him to justice. It is a important development , this tribe represents over 1/6 of the Laban populace, , over 1,000,000 in size, and remember, Lybia, very tribal in make up, tribes very important to their culture and how they cooperate together. ----------------------------------------------------- english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/05/2011529153314220843.html------------------------------------------------------ [Click on link to read article] ------------------------------------------------------ Africa Libyan tribal leaders call for united front Country's largest tribe, based in strategic city of Baniwalid, holds key meeting in Turkey with the opposition movement. Last Modified: 29 May 2011 16:55 The Warfalla were reportedly supporting Gaddafi around the Misurata area, but this meeting may change that [Reuters] More than 100 community and tribal leaders from Libya have met with members of the opposition National Transitional Council at a conference in Turkey, in a bid to show a united front against Muammar Gaddafi. Most of the tribal leaders who gathered in Istanbul on Saturday and Sunday, were from the powerful Warfalla clan based in Baniwalid, a city in western Libya. The delegates were calling for an end to the violence in Libya and the departure of Libyan leader Gaddafi and his sons. An organiser of the conference told Al Jazeera that Gaddafi and his forces became aware of the conference yesterday and then moved in to seize control of Baniwalid. "Fierce clashes broke out between Gaddafi's forces and Warfalla members in Baniwalid, and at least 11 people died, including the brother of a conference delegate," the source said. Al Jazeera's Anita McNaught, reporting from Istanbul, said that the delegates were mostly senior professionals from both inside Libya as well as those who have been in exile for the last few years. "They all stood up together and presented their declaration and sang the old Libyan national anthem - I watched grown men break down in tears and sob all their way through this," our correspondent said. Strategic importance Baniwalid is said to hold a position of vital strategic importance, and was thus being aggressively targeted by Gaddafi, who has focused his security forces there to instill fear. "Warfalla is the largest tribe - over one-sixth of the total population of Libya, numbering more than a million members," our correspondent said. "They are a tribe whose loyalty has been vigorously, and perhaps violently, sought after by Gaddafi and his forces. He has threatened, bribed, jailed and now attacked them." Our correspondent said the attacks occurred because Gaddafi and his supporters did not want to see this meeting "happen in Turkey where people can speak freely". In the final statement of the conference, the delegates called on their "brothers in Zletin, Tarhuna, Khums, Msellata and Sirte to join the revolution and to put a swift end to this tyranny". "We caution all other groups who are still fighting for this regime that continues day in day out to violate all forms of human rights, and we warn everyone involved that they will be accountable for their actions," the statement said"
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Post by b2r on May 29, 2011 17:07:37 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 4, 2011 11:52:50 GMT -5
I grant you that it seems to have dropped to page seven if that, but it, the insurrection in Libya has not faded away, a lot has been happening there. To bring up to date, the Russians have gone along and feel there should be a stepping down by Gaddafi, and had offered to mediate a settlement which might have and still might be a temporary, [or in reality ] a permanent split in the country, It is suggested Gaddafi himself would no longer be in power , in charge, but possible one of his off spring or some one or group from Gaddafi's side in charge in Tripoli and that part of the country. The rebels, insurrectionist , what ever you want to call them in the other part of the country as they try to work things out. The leader of the "Interim National Council" INC for short, the leader of, chairman of is "Mustafa Abdel Jalil", headquarters in Benghazi. This article suggest that France and the UK are now using attack helo's, eight of them to attack Tripoli, Gaddafi forces, equipment, and while one might say "Only eight helo's , these are very capable weapons, not the helo's weapon system of you fathers, very , very capable with the new missiles they carry, able to get into spots , save civilian casualties, that the hi flying , hi speed fighter bombers are not able to do. It seems the rebels are closing in on Tripoli, and Gaddafi has been weakened by many defections by forces around him, leadership and commanders from the military. Why Russia involvement? They do a lot of business with libia, have close relations with the country and also China is now being involved, [they who also abstained as Russia and Brazil did on the vote to take action at the UN] is also talking to the rebels. Why China talking to the rebels. My guess they want a foot in both camps, want to know who is who, would be interested in the oil libia is in control of, my guess as I said. -------------------------------------------------------------- english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/06/20116435635669472.html----------------------------------------------- [Click on link to read article] ------------------------------------------------ Africa NATO launches helicopter strikes in Libya Attack helicopters used for the first time, as opposition fighters advance toward the capital Tripoli. 04 Jun 2011 05:15 "NATO has for the first time used attack helicopters in Libya, striking military vehicles, military equipment and forces backing the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, the military alliance has announced. British and French attack helicopters were used to strike inside the country overnight, hitting targets in the oil port of Brega, NATO said on Saturday. "Attack helicopters under NATO command were used for the first time on 4 June 2011 in military operations over Libya as part of Operation Unified Protector," a NATO statement said. Separately, Liam Fox, the British defence secretary, said: "This was the first operational mission flown by British Army Apaches at sea. "The additional capabilities now being employed by NATO further reinforces the UK's enduring commitment and NATO's determination to ... ensure that the people of Libya are free to determine their own future." Later on Saturday, William Hague, Britain's foreign secretary, and Andrew Mitchell, the development secretary, arrived in Benghazi, in eastern Libya, for meetings with leaders of the Interim National Council (INC)." ----------------------------------------------------- "On Friday, the Chinese foreign ministry said that China's ambassador to Qatar recently met the head of Libya's opposition council, the first known meeting between the two sides. A Chinese foreign ministry statement said Zhang Zhiliang, Beijing's ambassador to Qatar, had met and "exchanged views on developments in Libya" with Mustafa Abdel Jalil, the chairman of the INC. The ministry gave no details of the talks, but the meeting itself was an indication that Beijing wants to keep open lines of communication with the rebel forces"
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 5, 2011 12:08:34 GMT -5
Attacks are continuing on Gaddafi forces by coalition forces, promarily UK, French assetts, US basically in support role as it has been once the initial attacks were over. Britain is suggesting no tome table on with drawing from the conflict, , article on that to be posted after this one. ----------------------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110605/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_libya-------------------------------------------------- [Click on link to read article] ---------------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110605/wl_uk_afp/libyaunrestbritainhague_20110605103724;_ylt=AvR5VS9X57UpC4tr7J9YqLoUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTE2MjZjcDM4BHBvcwMzBHNlYwN5bi1yLWItbGVmdARzbGsDZXYtYnJpdGFpbnNh-------------------------------------------------- Britain says 'no deadline' for Libya operation Sun Jun 5, 6:37 am ET LONDON (AFP) – "British Foreign Secretary William Hague said Sunday there is no deadline for NATO's Libya operation, as Russia voiced concerns that the use of helicopters showed it was sliding towards a land campaign. As British Apache choppers attacked forces loyal to Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi for a second night, Hague admitted the nearly three-month-old mission was "intensifiying" but denied any "mission creep". "We're not going to set a deadline. You're asking about Christmas and who knows, it could be days or weeks or months, (but) it is worth doing," Hague told an interviewer on BBC television. "If we were not doing this Kadhafi would have overrun by force the whole of Libya, causing a massive humanitarian crisis, committing many atrocities and destabilising Tunisia and Egypt at the same time, with terrible consequences for Europe and this country." Hague, who held talks with Libyan rebel leaders in their stronghold Benghazi on Saturday, ruled out putting ground forces, saying NATO would stick to the terms of a UN Security Council resolution passed in March to protect civilians. "We will continue in that way, intensifiying what we're doing -- the Apache helicopters are an example of that -- but that's different from mission creep," the foreign secretary said. "This is not mission creep, changing the nature of the mission, this is intensifiying what we are doing in order to make this mission a success," he added. His comments came as the defence ministry said British Apaches based on HMS Ocean off the north African coast had destroyed a multiple rocket launcher near the eastern Libyan oil hub of Brega on Saturday. British Tornado strike planes separately joined other NATO aircraft in a major strike in Tripoli. Moscow, which is calling for a negotiated solution to the conflict, expressed alarm on Saturday and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the decision to use helicopters was "deplorable". "We consider that what is going on is either consciously or unconsciously sliding towards a land operation," Lavrov said"
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 6, 2011 15:29:11 GMT -5
Latest News from Libia is Rebels capture a Town that has been held by Gaddafi's forces since the beginning of the up rising, it is only 100 miles from the capital, Tripoli, where he is supposed to be. Coalition forces leader are saying that Gaddafi forces have been degraded greatly to the point where the opposition forces can seriously start thinking and planning when Gaddafi will no longer be around. They will be asking the 28 nations involved in the coalition to increase their contributions but are putting no time line on the finish of this campaign to remove Gaddafi from power. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/06/20116613502238785.html------------------------------------------------------------- [Click on link to read the article] ---------------------------------------------------------- Africa Rebels 'wrest town from Gaddafi forces' Government said to have lost control of Yafran, in Libya's northwest, as NATO chief claims considerable progress. 06 Jun 2011 14:43 Reports say Libyan rebels have entered the northwestern town of Yafran, previously held by government forces, as the NATO chief says he is confident that people across Libya can start preparing for a future without Muammar Gaddafi, the country's long-time leader. Youssef Boudlal, a Reuters photographer in Yafran, on Monday said the town had been wrested by the rebels. "We are inside the town ... There is no sign of any Gaddafi forces. I can see the rebel flags ... We have seen posters and photos of Gaddafi that have been destroyed," Boudlal said. Al Jazeera's Cal Perry, reporting from the rebel stronghold of Benghazi in eastern Libya, said it was not clear what tilted the balance in the rebels' favour in Yafran. "We do not have details of what provided this breakthrough ... this is a town that has been held by Gaddafi forces since the start of the fighting," he said. "But what we saw this morning was rebels rolling into a town just 100 miles from the capital, really on the doorstep of Gaddafi. "What propelled this to happen, we still don't know. But what we do know is that the clock certainly seems to be ticking on Gaddafi. This is really the first challenge to the city of Tripoli that we have seen in about four months." The rebel advance came amid intense fighting between forces loyal to Gaddafi and rebels seeking to end his more than four-decade-long rule. It also came as Anders Fogh Rasmussen, NATO's secretary-general, said damaging or destroying of 1,800 military targets so far in Libya has degraded Gaddafi's power to the extent that he will certainly be forced from power. "We have made considerable progress," he said before a meeting of NATO defence ministers due to take place in Brussels. "We have taken the momentum, we have turned the tide of terror unleashed by the Gaddafi regime, we have saved countless lives and we have seriously degraded the ability of the Gaddafi regime to attack civilians."
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Post by handyman2 on Jun 6, 2011 16:28:14 GMT -5
The big question now is what comes next in the form of a government?
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 6, 2011 16:46:50 GMT -5
Handyman...that is their business is my thoughts. I know, I know, Muslim Brother hood will yadda blah.
I don't see it but what do I know. It is a tribal country, I believe the tribes will be involved...there are educated people from abroad, have been in exile, also former government officials, know how to run a country, agencies , and with out a psycho in charge, and if allowed by the populace , might do a good job.
There is a positive, they have lots of that sweet crude, are on the Mediterranean, no enemies that I can see who want to take them over, Egypt has their own problems, Tunisia the same , just getting unraveled, so they have a shot as I see it.
I would think if and when, they will appreciate the effort of those coalition countries who actually allowed them to overcome and win.
They did basically do it with their own blood and sugffering..not others , outsiders, so have a big thing to be proud of , fall back on as their new begginning, which not ll these changes allow. Granted the planes and choppers...wtih out which, ...but it is they themselves who are dying..so I say, sit back and watch, could be interesting.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 7, 2011 19:22:04 GMT -5
This report from Lybia , if you read between the lines, in some ways reminiscent of the last days of the Third Reich, the pronouncements of the "Secret Weapons " that were going to save the Day for the German people, the divisions that were no more that were going to relieve Berlin from the on coming Russians..In this case his staying to the end, not bowing down, suicide is mentioned, unleashing 250,000 /500/000 troops to cleanse the land of the enemy [In actuality his own people who are in revolt} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/06/20116716385680354.html------------------------------------------------ [Click on links to read article] ------------------------------------------------ Africa Gaddafi vows to fight to end amid NATO raids Libyan leader says he will not surrender or kneel to enemies as NATO launches rare daytime air strikes on Tripoli. 07 Jun 2011 19:15 "Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, has vowed to fight to the end in a speech broadcast live on state television, amid one of the fiercest NATO air strikes on Tripoli. "We only have one choice: we will stay in our land dead or alive," he said in the audio address on Tuesday, calling on his supporters to flock to his Bab al-Aziziya compound in the capital. "We will not kneel! We will not surrender." "We are stronger than your missiles, stronger than your planes and the voice of the Libyan people is louder than explosions," he said. Gaddafi said he was ready to unleash between 250,000 to 500,000 armed Libyans to swarm across the country to cleanse it from "armed gangs", a reference to the rebels controlling parts of the North African country. "Whether we are martyred, killed or commit suicide, we care about our duty towards history," Gaddafi said, demanding to know why the bombardment was continuing. Gaddafi was last seen on state television on May 30 in footage of him meeting Jacob Zuma, the South African president. NATO intensifies raids Waves of NATO aircraft hit the Libyan capital on Tuesday, including targets in the vicinity of the Bab al-Aziziya compound, in the most sustained bombardment of the Libyan capital since the military alliance began air strikes in March. Moussa Ibrahim, the Libyan government spokesman, told reporters it was the heaviest day of shelling in the capital. Ambulances, sirens blaring, could be heard racing through the city during the day-long raids that shook the ground and sent thundering sound waves across the capital. The AFP news agency reported that four explosions were heard from the centre of the city, while the AP news agency reported that low-flying NATO aircraft carried out nine successive attacks in the capital. The strikes hit the Popular Guard compound and the Revolutionary Guard compound, a Libyan official told reporters in the capital. NATO officials have warned for days that they were increasing the scope and intensity of their two-month campaign to oust Gaddafi after more than 40 years in power. The alliance is assisting a four-month old rebel offensive that has seized large swathes of eastern Libya and pockets in the regime's stronghold in the west."
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 8, 2011 23:13:24 GMT -5
A thought piece on reasons the stalmate , if it is that in Libya, is not a good thing and a indication of what is happening there as the fighting seems to ebb and flow. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/08/5-reasons-stalemate-in-libya-is-devastating/---------------------------------------------------------- Permalink 5 reasons stalemate in Libya is devastating Editor's Note: Micah Zenko is a fellow for conflict prevention at the Council on Foreign Relations, where he blogs. By Micah Zenko - Special to CNN In the Washington Post, columnist Anne Applebaum asks - though does not directly answer - the important question, “What to do About Libya’s Stalemate?” One position that she entertains is the notion that a stalemate is tolerable, and that “it might even work. A steady but relentless bombing campaign, generous humanitarian aid and training for the rebels, a bit of patience, and we’re done with Gaddafi without too much fuss or boots on the ground.” Western (or certainly Arab League) political leaders might not discuss Libya often these days, but a stalemated civil war there is seriously problematic for five reasons: First, people are dying and the situation could worsen. Before the civil war erupted, the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, estimated that “500 to 700 persons had been killed in February alone when Libyan security forces had fired live ammunition.” Since then, deaths overwhelmingly committed by the regime have escalated though leveled off. A Libyan rebel spokesperson estimated two weeks ago that at least 15,000 people had been killed, but reports of civilian deaths at the hands of regime forces have all but disappeared. Given the motivations for revenge among both sides, however, the lull in violence directed at civilians could be short lived. As the UN’s International Commission of Inquiry on Libya concluded in its report last week, “The Commission reached the conclusion that crimes against humanity and war crimes have been committed by the Government forces of Libya,” and “did find some acts which would constitute war crimes” by opposition forces. Read: Micah Zenko's blog "Politics, Power and Preventative Action". Second, one-sixth of the Libyan population of six million has been displaced. Approximately 920,000 expatriate workers in Libya were forced to return to their home countries, with some 250,000 having since returned. Sub-Saharan African workers have been targeted by rebel forces for arbitrary search and detention, as well as cruel and inhuman mistreatment. As the International Commission of Inquiry report revealed: “The most serious attacks on migrant workers appear to have been linked to a suspicion that such persons were ‘mercenaries’ on the basis of their national origin or skin color.” According to UNHCR, at least another 100,000 people are believed to be internally displaced, though few aid agencies have a good picture of the situation in the Nafusa Mountains. Third, humanitarian assistance is needed. Applebaum identifies “generous humanitarian aid” as one precondition for stalemate giving way to success. However, the international community has not been generous so far. The UN issued its latest appeal for $407 million of critically needed humanitarian aid three weeks ago. As of today, all of the UN aid agencies in Libya have received less than half of the required funding in the form of either actual cash or pledges. In much of the eastern part of the country, the aid situation has stabilized and commercial markets are functioning. Nevertheless, as a UNHCR spokesperson stated today: “An aid crisis could be looming…It is apparent that the combined impact of protracted conflict and sanctions are eroding the government’s ability to effectively deliver assistance.” Fuel shortages are compounding the worsening humanitarian situation throughout the country. At one gas station in Tripoli, the lines stretched over five miles. Fourth, most children are not attending school. The National Transitional Council (NTC) refuses to reopen schools. Education officials from the NTC have said that schools will only reopen once Gadhafi has fallen, the curriculum is rewritten, and teachers sympathetic to the regime have been purged. In the meantime, the NTC has put children to work “cleaning streets, working as traffic cops and dishing up army rations to rebel soldiers,” according to Dawn newspaper. Meanwhile, the UN’s International Commission of Inquiry reports that both government and opposition forces have used child soldiers in violation of international humanitarian law. Finally, history and vast amounts of academic research demonstrate that the political upheaval caused by sustained civil wars decreases almost all socio-economic indicators, makes the eruption of post-conflict violence (including genocide and mass atrocities) much more likely, and often produces violence for export. On the latter point, some officials, such as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, believe that Libya could become a breeding ground for Al Qaeda. As she testified before Congress in early March: “Many of the Al Qaeda activists in Afghanistan and later in Iraq came from Libya and came from eastern Libya, which is now the so-called free area of Libya… One of our biggest concerns is Libya descending into chaos and becoming a giant Somalia.” The possibility of Al Qaeda or its affiliates establishing a foothold in Libya has been overblown. (One of the NTC’s unbelievably one-sided public opinion polls asked “Does Al Qaeda play a role in the 17th February Revolution?” Allegedly, 94 percent of respondents said no.) Nevertheless, as the civil war stalemate persists, more and more young men learn the lethal tactics of warfare, forge ties with other fighters, and perhaps develop ambitions that can only be achieved through terrorism or violent goals beyond liberating Tripoli. The views expressed in this article are solely those of Micah Zenko. For more analysis of international affairs, visit CFR.org. 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Post by Value Buy on Jun 9, 2011 0:55:08 GMT -5
For all kinds of reasons, but mostly to keep me from going bonkers, please use the correct spelling of the country.... Libya Libya Libya Libya Libya Libya Libya Libya Libya Libya Libya Libya Your killing me Dezi. We are talking about world political security, and the least we can all do, is get the spelling of the country correct. Thank you.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 9, 2011 7:32:09 GMT -5
Did you read the article or just look for the spelling mistakes? ....
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 9, 2011 7:51:33 GMT -5
Well dezi is hardly alone here. I have been amazed at the many mis-spelled versions of that country that have been posted since this fiasco began. It's the damned keyboard, not me....HONEST!! Lousy spelling + even worse typing skills = thank god for spell check.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 9, 2011 7:53:43 GMT -5
Well dezi is hardly alone here. I have been amazed at the many mis-spelled versions of that country that have been posted since this fiasco began. It's the damned keyboard, not me....HONEST!! Lousy spelling + even worse typing skills = thank god for spell check. To be honest..on this one, no excuse , the damn name IS in the posted atiicle...spelled correcly..quick scan of...
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 9, 2011 7:59:34 GMT -5
Lousy spelling + even worse typing skills = thank god for spell check.
Yea FY .... but Spell Check cannot do much for lousy grammar, sentence structure, coherent and intelligent ideas, proper syntax, or knowledge of the subject....IMHO
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 9, 2011 8:16:48 GMT -5
Yea FY .... but Spell Check cannot do much for lousy grammar, sentence structure, coherent and intelligent ideas, proper syntax, or knowledge of the subject....IMHO That's where I blame the keyboard. With the technology we have today, it should know what the heck I'm trying to say.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 9, 2011 8:25:33 GMT -5
Did you read the article or just look for the spelling mistakes? .... Yes, I read the article, and it says "libya" in the article. Dezi, I am not trying to be the spelling police here, but it just frustrates me, to no end. I keep saying to myself, please just spell it correctly for me You have comtinued to keep us informed over the last month(s) on Libya with interesting articles, and I appreciate it.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 9, 2011 8:38:02 GMT -5
Did you read the article or just look for the spelling mistakes? .... Yes, I read the article, and it says "libya" in the article. Dezi, I am not trying to be the spelling police here, but it just frustrates me, to no end. I keep saying to myself, please just spell it correctly for me You have continued to keep us informed over the last month(s) on Libya with interesting articles, and I appreciate it. On Libya[did I get it right, had to think } and other such threads, glad you do appreciate them..keeps me occupied. Actually I am not dissing you, I do like correct spelling and sentence construction..love the spell check, my spelling sucks, usually correct 10 words per post, partially because I type pick and peck quickly and know I have spell check at the end..though I see one is insinuating something ..thought we all were trying to turn a new leaf here, guess it is impossible for some..oh well[sigh] "Yea FY .... but Spell Check cannot do much for lousy grammar, sentence structure, coherent and intelligent ideas, proper syntax, or knowledge of the subject....IMHO the old adage, "You can bring the Horse to water but can't make them drink it " might apply here.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 9, 2011 8:39:52 GMT -5
I am not trying to be the spelling police here, but it just frustrates me, to no end. I keep saying to myself, please just spell it correctly for me You have comtinued to keep us informed over the last month(s) on Libya with interesting articles, and I appreciate it. oops. That is why I never (or I should say very, very rarely) ever pick on spelling / grammar / writing style.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 9, 2011 8:45:55 GMT -5
I am not trying to be the spelling police here, but it just frustrates me, to no end. I keep saying to myself, please just spell it correctly for me You have comtinued to keep us informed over the last month(s) on Libya with interesting articles, and I appreciate it. oops. That is why I never (or I should say very, very rarely) ever pick on spelling / grammar / writing style. FY, went back and looked at my post, and I do not see an "m" in my spelling. Context sentence structure may be wrong, but spelling was not. Will have to let Bill's come and correct my sentence structure. Is smiley emoticon working? I cannot add any.....
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 9, 2011 8:46:39 GMT -5
Deleted due to derogatory comments to another poster. Deminmaine- Moderator
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 9, 2011 8:48:11 GMT -5
I publicly apoligize to Dezi for the "libya" comment. Now the smiley worked, but the emoticons are now on the "side of my post, rather than above my older posts, if that makes any sense.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 9, 2011 8:52:03 GMT -5
Now the smiley worked, but the emoticons are now on the "side of my post, rather than above my older posts, if that makes any sense. [/quote][/color] VB does your " IGNORE" key work OK. Mine works just fine and use it quit a bit lately, try it you just might like it...
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 9, 2011 8:56:46 GMT -5
I publicly apoligize to Dezi for the "libya" comment. Now the smiley worked, but the emoticons are now on the "side of my post, rather than above my older posts, if that makes any sense. No apology necessary, glad you posted as you did, the thread never had so much interest, I agree the article posted , just a ok one, not one of my best I agree.. possible some might have actually read it to see what all the excitement was about.. ;D
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 9, 2011 9:04:26 GMT -5
Seems moon idea just isn't getting through to some, not once but twice and if it isn't acknowledged possible see it mentioned again... "and i truly don't see the need to 'allow' disses and digs as you said dezi.. we are supposed to be adults here so there should be a way for people to post w/o that juvenile behavior." --------------------------------------------------- "If it offends you so much FY when then even bother to read it when most of the time it is unintelligible babble?? " "VB does your "IGNORE" key work OK. Mine works just fine and use it quit a bit lately, try it you just might like it... " Actually if one does a repeat, there were three of those, guess we are working on seeing four then, all with in three or four posts, amazing... ""Yea FY .... but Spell Check cannot do much for lousy grammar, sentence structure, coherent and intelligent ideas, proper syntax, or knowledge of the subject....IMHO"
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 9, 2011 9:21:52 GMT -5
Yup, they'll get rid of Gaddhafi any year now...waiting...waiting...waiting...
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 9, 2011 9:25:18 GMT -5
Yup, they'll get rid of Gaddhafi any year now...waiting...waiting...waiting... Well then I hope we get some bang for the buck because so far it has costs this country billions trying to get rid of Gaddhafi...cruise missiles costs more than the local city budgets in some states And why I said in reply #22 before it was deleted by deminmaine that most are NOT interested in Gaddahfi and do NOT read any daily updates Re: Lybia except for a few, I guess? ?, But I am NOT and much more interested in the Red Sox and Bruins..than about a nut job in Lybia who likes to kill his own people....so deal with it..
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 9, 2011 9:46:33 GMT -5
Definitely a cost to US , Tomahawks according to google, $1.1 million each, initially between Brits and us, 159 fired off, and then there is the cost of the no fly zone, the loss of the F-15[mechanical problems] will not be replaced with another, but possible with one of the new F-35's..no idea how they figure and handle these things, lost aircraft, automatically replaced or just live with it, especially older models. Unless we ARE picking up the cost of the no fly and attacks by the French. Brits and other coalition forces, have seen nothing about that in the media, seems most of the costs and actions seem to be going on by other members of the coalition not us so I wonder if BILLIONS is correct, a cost definitely.
Regarding the Tomahawks , maybe they had a shelf life on them, after a certain date no longer considered viable weapons, have to be replaced so possible used before they went out of date and would have had to be deep six ed anyway ?? ;D -------------------------------------------- "NOT interested in Gaddahfi daily updates in Lybia except for a few, " Possible , but who knows and there is always the scroll feature and the ignore as I see it.
However,I think the idea of moons post...
""and i truly don't see the need to 'allow' disses and digs as you said dezi.. we are supposed to be adults here so there should be a way for people to post w/o that juvenile behavior."
is more the problem for some, I know for me, trying hard to abide..for some here, possible impossible or not impossible, just not interested in trying or doing.
'Deal with it "..?? Always.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 9, 2011 18:59:58 GMT -5
Dezi, you might want to go to the Market Talk forum, and look at the Libya thread. It is a long one, some posts great, some not so great. Be careful though, you think this audience is tough, you ain't seen nothing yet.
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