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Post by marshabar1 on May 25, 2011 15:59:35 GMT -5
Heard a radio caller this morning from Yellowstone. They are experiencing bad floods and their governor is encouraging the people to help themselves and help their neighbors and look out for the elderly.
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Post by txbo on May 25, 2011 17:51:00 GMT -5
Thanks Paul for posting a picture of blacks on welfare wanting money from a black president. Could you not find a picture of the majority of welfare recipients who are actually white? I doubt he meant anything racist, just commenting on the post about "Pub myths." As for the rest of you statement, accusing somebody of racism is so 2008. Did you read any accusation by me of him being racist? I merely pointed out that he is PC for a right wing conservative. Should I direct my replies to him thru you first and are you his mind reader and answer guy.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 19:29:40 GMT -5
Thanks Paul for posting a picture of blacks on welfare wanting money from a black president. Could you not find a picture of the majority of welfare recipients who are actually white?
Did you read any accusation by me of him being racist? I merely pointed out that he is PC for a right wing conservative.
Txbo, I did. It came across that you accused him of picking a film with a black person deliberately. By doing that you darn sure implied that he was a racist or at least prejudice against blacks. Of course common sense would tell anyone that a person would pick a video to best make his point. Also a person should have figured out that Paul didn't interview, tape or is in no way responsible for who they are interviewing or what questions were asked. I guess you didn't think of those points because you insinuated that Paul was a racist at least to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 19:34:28 GMT -5
Thanks for all the Pub job programs...NOT!!
The government does not produce ANYTHING. The government can not make a profit. Every job that the government has is a loss as far as a plus to this country. If the government employed 100% of the people in this country it would have to tax them more than 100% just to break even because you can't pay someone 100% by only taking 40% of their earning & then paying them with what you took. I explained this because I don't think you get it.
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Post by formerexpat on May 25, 2011 19:39:26 GMT -5
While these pictures are interesting and entertaining, I would think Ron Paul meant that citizens should cover themselves via private insurance. Can't afford to live in a bowl that is below sea level because insurance is too high? Well then, residents will flea and people will adapt.
Humans have adapted for millions of years via migration to areas that were more friendly to human life. Why are we, the collective tax payers paying expensive rebuilding costs for areas that shouldn't be inhabited?
You're right, it is a waste of government money. I'm sure insurance companies would be quick to map it all out so they could properly assess and price risk for the insurance.
The point is there are other alternatives to government and we need to get off it's tit because it's no longer lactating milk but instead bleeding from having too many people suck on it.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 20:16:30 GMT -5
The point is there are other alternatives to government and we need to get off it's tit because it's no longer lactating milk but instead bleeding from having too many people suck on it.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 21:13:47 GMT -5
When I bought my first and only house.. the first one I looked at I really loved and had been wishing to own for a few years. Beautiful older farmhouse with some land, horse property. The agent had to tell me that it is in a flood plain area, BUT had not flooded for (can't remember how many) years. I really wanted that house, but I passed. Since I believe weather is cyclical, I wondered if maybe that area was due for a flood. That's just me, of course, but speaks directly to the fact that my husband and I knew we could not afford to recover from something like that after sinking all of our money in to it, the GOVERNMENT paying us off never even entered our minds, so it was not an option for us.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 21:45:36 GMT -5
So true.
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Post by txbo on May 26, 2011 4:17:15 GMT -5
Thanks Paul for posting a picture of blacks on welfare wanting money from a black president. Could you not find a picture of the majority of welfare recipients who are actually white?Did you read any accusation by me of him being racist? I merely pointed out that he is PC for a right wing conservative.Txbo, I did. It came across that you accused him of picking a film with a black person deliberately. By doing that you darn sure implied that he was a racist or at least prejudice against blacks. Of course common sense would tell anyone that a person would pick a video to best make his point. Also a person should have figured out that Paul didn't interview, tape or is in no way responsible for who they are interviewing or what questions were asked. I guess you didn't think of those points because you insinuated that Paul was a racist at least to me. Southerners and Sothern states require on an average more federal assistance than northern states. Occasionally the lines are long. Can you understand it now? [/img] Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2011 4:40:24 GMT -5
Southerners and Southern states require on an average more federal assistance than northern states. Occasionally the lines are long. Can you understand it now?
I understand that you implied that Paul was a racist in your first post because the video happened to have a black person.
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Post by txbo on May 26, 2011 5:46:06 GMT -5
Southerners and Southern states require on an average more federal assistance than northern states. Occasionally the lines are long. Can you understand it now?I understand that you implied that Paul was a racist in your first post because the video happened to have a black person. If the shoe fits.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2011 6:26:18 GMT -5
Southerners and Southern states require on an average more federal assistance than northern states. Occasionally the lines are long. Can you understand it now?
I understand that you implied that Paul was a racist in your first post because the video happened to have a black person. If the shoe fits.
Exactly what I thought. You couldn't come up with a good liberal rebuttal on the topic of this post so you try to change it by putting the OP on the defensive by implying that he is a racist. After all nobody will side with a raciest, right? Make him look bad & you win by default even on issues that your wrong on. That's a cheap trick used by cowards. Next time you see a post that you know your wrong on why don't you just pass it by & save yourself from having to sink this low.
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Post by txbo on May 26, 2011 6:47:16 GMT -5
Southerners and Southern states require on an average more federal assistance than northern states. Occasionally the lines are long. Can you understand it now?
I understand that you implied that Paul was a racist in your first post because the video happened to have a black person. If the shoe fits.Exactly what I thought. You couldn't come up with a good liberal rebuttal on the topic of this post so you try to change it by putting the OP on the defensive by implying that he is a racist. After all nobody will side with a raciest, right? Make him look bad & you win by default even on issues that your wrong on. That's a cheap trick used by cowards. Next time you see a post that you know your wrong on why don't you just pass it by & save yourself from having to sink this low. PBP is a big boy and everything he posts is calculated and has a meaning. Sometime it just isn’t that subtle. I really don’t give a shit what you think.
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Post by NoNamePerson on May 26, 2011 7:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2011 9:04:11 GMT -5
I really don’t give a shit what you think. Sorry Deminmaine if I stepped over the line. Every now & then the side issues really fry me.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2011 9:20:53 GMT -5
Back to the topic: Why Is Self-Reliance Frowned Upon?
I truly have no idea what happened but we as a society (or at least a very large percentage) have indeed become dependent on the government. The have not's have gone from trying to become the haves by working to get ahead to becoming the haves thru government hand out programs. This is not a race or a North South problem but a problem for our country & it will come to a head.
The middle class & upper class can no longer support the "poor" because the dollar number that classifies who is poor has just risen faster than incomes as have the number of social programs. And make no mistake about it, the out is not taxing the rich more because the middle class has always taken the brunt of these taxes & that's because the U.S. has such a huge (disproportionately large) middle class.
I truly believe that if we as a country continue the way we are going we are going to have out 2nd civil war.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 26, 2011 9:22:32 GMT -5
I doubt he meant anything racist, just commenting on the post about "Pub myths." As for the rest of you statement, accusing somebody of racism is so 2008. Did you read any accusation by me of him being racist? I merely pointed out that he is PC for a right wing conservative. Should I direct my replies to him thru you first and are you his mind reader and answer guy. Well, first of all the post was in response to "pub myths"- which I clearly nuked using video evidence. Secondly, you mention race in an effort to perpetuate another myth: the "majority of welfare recipients are white" is only partially true. It's about as true as saying the majority of inmates in prisons are white. It's only true in raw numbers. The FACT is, the per-capita the number of welfare (and incarceration) recipients are overwhelmingly black. I didn't post that to point that out, or to have this discussion. I just figured as long as we're nuking lib myths and since you brough it up-- I'd take a second or two to clarify the point. The black community isn't to blame-- as you know, I'm a strict "DO NOT blame the victim" person myself. They were targeted by elitist racist liberals specifically with welfare as a means to pacify (abortion as a means to erradicate) the black population and to, as Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson put it, "...have them n***ers voting Democrat for two hundred years"... Have a nice day!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2011 11:04:44 GMT -5
They were targeted by elitist racist liberals specifically with welfare as a means to pacify (abortion as a means to erradicate) the black population
Actually that sentence (I think) should read: They were targeted by liberals specifically with welfare as a means to pacify the poor population.
No of course not all or even most democrats feel that way. A vast majority of them are just trying to good by they're fellow man. I don't agree that the system works as intended & in a lot of cases it unmotivates the individual to make more of their life. I also believe that there is a lot more abuse in the system (because it's poorly run by the government) than is commonly believed.
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 26, 2011 11:16:18 GMT -5
Could you not find a picture of the majority of welfare recipients who are actually white?
The "majority"...? Please explain.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 26, 2011 12:23:49 GMT -5
The point is there are other alternatives to government and we need to get off it's tit because it's no longer lactating milk but instead bleeding from having too many people suck on it. Bleeding tit liberals...an instant classic! ;D
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 26, 2011 12:35:56 GMT -5
But getting back to the topic before it was hijacked by the phony topic of racism and who gets more welfare-- for that, start your own thread. People like me who favor NO welfare wouldn't have to worry about who gets what. It would be EQUAL- you'd all get nothing.
Anyway-- the point is that you can make 1,001 excuses, but I distinctly remember growing up in Brookfield near the Salt Creek, and when it flooded every few years-- my Boy Scout troop would go fill sand bags and neighbors would help neighbors. I got "the look" from my dad when I inquired (directly to a homeowner) why they'd live so close to the creek if they knew it would do this...
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 26, 2011 21:32:22 GMT -5
Thanks Paul for posting a picture of blacks on welfare wanting money from a black president. Could you not find a picture of the majority of welfare recipients who are actually white?Did you read any accusation by me of him being racist? I merely pointed out that he is PC for a right wing conservative.Txbo, I did. It came across that you accused him of picking a film with a black person deliberately. By doing that you darn sure implied that he was a racist or at least prejudice against blacks. Of course common sense would tell anyone that a person would pick a video to best make his point. Also a person should have figured out that Paul didn't interview, tape or is in no way responsible for who they are interviewing or what questions were asked. I guess you didn't think of those points because you insinuated that Paul was a racist at least to me. Southerners and Sothern states require on an average more federal assistance than northern states. Occasionally the lines are long. Can you understand it now? [/img][/quote] Maybe I'm just tired, but what are you trying to say and what is the purpose of the picture?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2011 22:11:08 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just tired, but what are you trying to say and what is the purpose of the picture?
If your talking about the video: The word went around that President Obama was giving out more money (long lines). They interviewed this one woman who wanted the free money, didn't know where it came from, & made the comment that now with President Obama as president she didn't have to pay her mortgage or car payment (I think it was car payment, but something else) because the president was going to take care of everyone. Not logical at all. But that ties in with Paul's title: Why Is Self-Reliance Frowned Upon & that people don't rely on themselves any more. Oh & I totally agreee with him.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 26, 2011 22:14:07 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just tired, but what are you trying to say and what is the purpose of the picture? If your talking about the video: The word went around that President Obama was giving out more money (long lines). They interviewed this one woman who wanted the free money, didn't know where it came from, & made the comment that now with President Obama as president she didn't have to pay her mortgage or car payment (I think it was car payment, but something else) because the president was going to take care of everyone. Not logical at all. But that ties in with Paul's title: Why Is Self-Reliance Frowned Upon & that people don't rely on themselves any more. Oh & I totally agreee with him. I was actually trying to figure out what reply 41 was saying and also trying to figure out why the picture was posted on it.
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Post by Shirina on May 26, 2011 22:48:04 GMT -5
I would advise you to do some research on the French Revolution and, as an added extra credit option, also look up Robespierre. A nation that snubs its poor does so at its own peril. I needn't remind you of the chaos and turmoil that has assailed every nation which failed to keep the poor from falling below a certain point.
No matter how some folks like to hide behind pretty phrases such as "self-reliance," intelligent people aren't in the least bit fooled. What it really comes down to is naked avarice. That's right, it's all about greed. While some better-off folks might pat themselves on the backs for allowing a few table scraps to fall to the dog beneath (otherwise known as "charity"), this does not diminish the rampant selfishness that is endemic in our society.
That selfishness is exemplified very well in some of the viewpoints found in this rather distasteful thread. To think that we have fallen so far as to disparage victims of natural disasters is quite disturbing. In fact, it borders on flagrant sociopathy. Only in recent years have I heard the banshee wail of conservatives whining about spending tax dollars to help our fellow Americans who, through no fault of their own, fell victim to a disaster. People like that cause no small amount of embarrassment at even being called an American. Those wailing banshees should think twice before insulting this nation by flying an American flag this Memorial Day, or any other day, for such people are not Americans. They are Me-icans. Their only allegiance is to themselves. They just happen to live here.
On a more practical note, the issue of people building their own levees is patently ridiculous. The government has the resources to build much longer levees to save entire towns, not individual homes. It does little good to save your house but lose your livelihood when you find your business and your farmland is under 5 feet of water. Should everyone build a levee around the entire periphery of their farms, too? Should small business owners build levees around their stores and factories? Perhaps I'm wrong, but crumpled asphalt does not make a good levee, and that is about all you'd have to work with in a downtown area.
And this does not even factor in the destroyed or damaged infrastructure. Washed out bridges and roads, destroyed schools and libraries, inundated police cars and snowplows and DoT machinery, flooded sewer lines, saturated underground cables, and a plethora of other things that will have to be repaired or replaced.
This nonsense about government reliance is just that - nonsense. The problem is that the government doesn't have the money to build the levees necessary to keep the floodwaters at bay. Do you know why? It's because greedy people like some of you here would have a conniption if your local or state politician wanted to raise taxes to fund levee construction. You would call it an "earmark" and demand it be squashed from existence. These politicians know that raising taxes, no matter the reason, is tantamount to political suicide. Thus the existing levees continue to weaken, erode, and fail.
The cost of building a good, solid levee is far less than having to repeatedly rebuild and clean up entire regions after the floodwaters recede, but there are too many short-sighted, narrow-minded bean counters in our society who would rather deal with bigger consequences later than make a smaller sacrifice now. For those whining about this issue, you have no one but yourselves to blame.
In terms of people living in a flood zone, this is preposterous. Should we let enormous swathes of America lie fallow and empty because a disaster might strike?
Or perhaps, more to the point, should Joplin, Oklahoma City, and every village, town, and city prone to tornadoes be abandoned? In fact, why not evacuate everyone out of Tornado Alley from Texas to North Dakota because it is a disaster prone area? We could send them west, but the entire area from Los Angeles to Seattle would also have to be evacuated because of the dangers of earthquakes. To be extra safe, the coastlines should be abandoned due to the tsunami threat. Hmm, but where to send everyone?
Well, certainly not eastern Texas, Louisiana, southern Alabama and Mississippi, or Florida because the risk of hurricanes is just too great. The area along the Mississippi River is already out of the question. Forget about the Californian interior, as well, due to those pesky wildfires.
Northern Mississppi, western Tennessee, western Kentucky, southern Indiana and Illinois, eastern Missouri, and eastern Arkansas are all out of the question because the New Madrid Fault is going to let off a big one sooner or later.
I suppose we could cram all 300 million of us into Montana and the Great Lakes region, and perhaps a few could live in Appalachia, but if we're going to avoid living in disaster areas, those are our only available options.
In conclusion, then, I have to wonder if some posters actually gave their position much thought before coming here to write. I'm guessing no.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 26, 2011 23:31:03 GMT -5
;D My book now on B+N Booknooks- "Guilty of Just Thinking" you're in it-what a gal!! How bout that 26th district- first Dem ever!
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Post by Shirina on May 26, 2011 23:35:05 GMT -5
LOL! I'm in your book? Pray tell, in what capacity? Hopefully I was given a good death scene. Congratulations on publication.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 26, 2011 23:49:15 GMT -5
Thanks- your own words- it's a memoir, and also these message boards over the last 3 years- #6, MFW, JJ,Biker, Krickett- the usual suspects- as sort of a snapshot of political discourse- tell your friends LOL! hopefully my computer survives long enough to finish it....It's an interesting way of publishing, sort of $0.99 a section...still adding
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 26, 2011 23:50:05 GMT -5
Thanks- your own words- it's a memoir, and also these message boards over the last 3 years- #6, MFW, JJ,Biker, Krickett- the usual suspects- as sort of a snapshot of political discourse- tell your friends LOL! hopefully my computer survives long enough to finish it....It's an interesting way of publishing, sort of $0.99 a section...still adding
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 27, 2011 0:04:23 GMT -5
Shakespeare Wallah? ;D
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