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Post by lakhota on May 20, 2011 23:30:54 GMT -5
I think it's sad and funny at the same time how righties address everything except the facts of the story.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2011 23:34:46 GMT -5
I commented on the story. It's dumb. Do you think it will last long? As for "righties", as usual at night this board is dead.. don't know who you are looking for comment from. I think I'm the only "rightie" on the board that can't walk or leave my house.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 21, 2011 2:17:45 GMT -5
Gee, that sounds real enticing... Yes, informative not "enticing". funny, I knd a like "informative" , has a ring to it..
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Post by deziloooooo on May 21, 2011 2:20:04 GMT -5
I commented on the story. It's dumb. Do you think it will last long? As for "righties", as usual at night this board is dead.. don't know who you are looking for comment from. I think I'm the only "rightie" on the board that can't walk or leave my house. Haven't asked for a while, holy crap it 3:15 Am here and i am wider awake..anyway, haven't asked, how are you doing on the recovery? Did anything ever come of that lady for the state you met with?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 21, 2011 2:20:20 GMT -5
I commented on the story. It's dumb. Do you think it will last long? As for "righties", as usual at night this board is dead.. don't know who you are looking for comment from. I think I'm the only "rightie" on the board that can't walk or leave my house. Haven't asked for a while, holy crap it's 3:15 Am here , just looked at watch, and I am wide awake..anyway, haven't asked, how are you doing on the recovery? Did anything ever come of that lady for the state you met with?
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Post by lakhota on May 21, 2011 7:44:27 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 8:01:52 GMT -5
Wow, fringe righties are really vicious. We do not know if: a) She is really being threatened at all; or b) The people doing the threatening are "fringe righties" What we DO know for sure is that the allegations have caused a story to be published and has, for better or for worse drawn more attention to the girl and her facebook fan page. That's what we know for sure. Those are the only certain facts in this story. The rest is undeniably just speculation.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 8:03:46 GMT -5
Palin and the entire GOP establishment did more damage to their own reputations by keeping mum when Giffords was shot. They had a duty to issue a pro-forma statement along the lines of "We condemn all unnecessary violence against public officials and the electorate." That they did not do so, suggested they feared losing support among militias and other violent fringe groups. That is what sunk them in many people's eyes, and not just the eyes of the Left either. Moderates are watching too and they are the majority. Conservatives offered sympathy, Democrats immediately politicized the event to promote their illegal and unConstitutional gun grabbing agenda.
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Post by pepper112765 on May 21, 2011 8:31:41 GMT -5
If there are people threatening violence on behalf of an elected official, then that elected official should be obligated to make a statement that they do not condone threats of violence or any type of violence made of their behalf. Silence in a sense is acquiescence. By not saying anything as a public official about something so disturbing can be taken to mean that this type of behavior is condoned. Again, this is a common theme of individuals being threatened when expressing opinion, the right to which is protected under the Constitution. Just because a person doesn't agree with an opinion does not mean that a person can be treatened with violence for expressing that opinion and in particular a 16 year-old girl to be threatened with rape. I don't see how any level or whatever political party one is affiliated to think that this is okay.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 8:44:14 GMT -5
Conservatives responded appropriately. Democrats moved immediately and without emotion directly to exploiting the event for political advantage. You apparently even fell for it, because you're prepetuating the implication that conservatives somehow support the gunning down of Rep. Giffords.
Again, getting back to the OP: it contains allegations-- none of which have been substantiated. The allegations, if true, have not been attributed to anyone right, or left.
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Post by pepper112765 on May 21, 2011 8:57:12 GMT -5
If the allegations are true, it doesn't matter what political side made them, the fact that they were made, if made, is a problem - for anyone. It could next be anyone of you or myself for that matter, for expressing opinion. So while everyone is picking a political side, when something bad happens it happens to INDIVIDUALS regardless of political affialiation. This right/left stuff is tiring, polarizing and just plain stupid.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 9:19:15 GMT -5
If the allegations are true, it doesn't matter what political side made them, the fact that they were made, if made, is a problem - for anyone. It could next be anyone of you or myself for that matter, for expressing opinion. So while everyone is picking a political side, when something bad happens it happens to INDIVIDUALS regardless of political affialiation. This right/left stuff is tiring, polarizing and just plain stupid. I didn't pick a side. I pointed out ONLY the facts. The headline, btw, violates the new policy of posting ONLY the facts.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 9:20:09 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 9:23:12 GMT -5
People who threaten violence towards others should be held accountable for doing so. That is not an indictment of others but of them alone. Agree. This thread falsely indicates that "Bachmann supporters" made the threats. I await the changes as NO PARTY of any political stripe has been implicated, and in fact the allegations that threats were even made has not been established. Thread topic: girl allegedly threatened after challenging Bachmann
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 9:23:40 GMT -5
Or 16 Yr Old Girl Alleges Threats
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Post by billisonboard on May 21, 2011 9:30:01 GMT -5
Well, you done enticed them Lak....
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Post by pepper112765 on May 21, 2011 9:32:40 GMT -5
If the allegations are true, it doesn't matter what political side made them, the fact that they were made, if made, is a problem - for anyone. It could next be anyone of you or myself for that matter, for expressing opinion. So while everyone is picking a political side, when something bad happens it happens to INDIVIDUALS regardless of political affialiation. This right/left stuff is tiring, polarizing and just plain stupid. I didn't pick a side. I pointed out ONLY the facts. The headline, btw, violates the new policy of posting ONLY the facts. Meaning the word "allegedly" should have been included in the title? I'll take that, since the allegations may not have been substandiated. News Reporters/Broadcasters have to use that word all the time or be sent demands for retraction and/or clarification...even at a stretch some will sue for defamation/libel. However, in this particular context of a teenager "allegedly" being threatened with rape, there should not be sides. Put it this way, if it were my daughter threatened, substantiated or not, I will do whatever need be to protect her.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 21, 2011 9:51:31 GMT -5
She's pretty clean.. frighteningly clean to the opposition, who have so far found nothing to "get" her with except ridicule. No question, I'd put my money on the teen to win the constitutional debate. I doubt it and the only reason I see the teen "challenging" somebody on the right as not knowing what the constitution says probably has more to do with what people surrounding her are saying...otherwise she might challenge the President or others on the left.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 21, 2011 9:55:58 GMT -5
Palin and the entire GOP establishment did more damage to their own reputations by keeping mum when Giffords was shot. They had a duty to issue a pro-forma statement along the lines of "We condemn all unnecessary violence against public officials and the electorate." That they did not do so, suggested they feared losing support among militias and other violent fringe groups. That is what sunk them in many people's eyes, and not just the eyes of the Left either. Moderates are watching too and they are the majority. BS to suit your own warped political view.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 21, 2011 10:00:30 GMT -5
Truthfully, I didn't see the "Sympathy", but "Outrage" would have been more appropriate. After all, a major mass-murder took place. Keep on spinning...the left came out immediately not blaming the shooter, but political ads on the right. They didn't offer sympathy, just wanted to go on the attack for political reasons. of course I doubt you say that as a pathetic attempt for political gain in your mind.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 10:51:31 GMT -5
When is the false title of this thread going to be changed in accordance with the new "Just the facts, please" policy? There's no evidence provided that Bachmann supporters (or for that matter anyone at all) threatened this girl.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 10:52:22 GMT -5
Truthfully, I didn't see the "Sympathy", but "Outrage" would have been more appropriate. After all, a major mass-murder took place. Keep on spinning...the left came out immediately not blaming the shooter, but political ads on the right. They didn't offer sympathy, just wanted to go on the attack for political reasons. of course I doubt you say that as a pathetic attempt for political gain in your mind. Correct.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 10:56:38 GMT -5
And then Barack "We need to tone down the rhetoric" Obama invited a "poet" to the whitehouse that rhymes about his one ton uzi and shooting police and glorifies a cop killer. So, I guess those lyrics don't "inflame" anyone, and the prose were not lent legitimacy by the invitation to the White House of Barack Obama?
And then of course there's the unfornutate fact that we now know that the shooter of Giffords and the Republican judge that was killed by him as well as the girl who was killed was motivated by 9.11 truther myths and was more heavily influenced, based on the information about him on the web and what he looked at was far more bent to the fringe left, and that if you had to classify him politically (which was a mistake from the get-go, by the way), you'd reach only one obvious conclusion: he was far left.
This thread is false. The claim made in the headline violates the CoC. When will it be either changed or deleted?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 11:08:07 GMT -5
The AZ shootings??? My Congresswoman, MY city-- there was no time or room to do anything but defend-- from the minute it happened Republicans were under UNFAIR attack for DAYS, all over the country, especially in MY city, when we were all in shock and horrified!! Best to just shut up about that!!! Anyone saying shit about conservatives in the aftermath of Giffords has a lot of nerve.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 11:09:24 GMT -5
Don't even TRY to tell us how we FELT, or how we ACTED-- while idiotic Democrats attacked us!!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 11:33:57 GMT -5
An 8-year old child died in that massacre and what outrage there is is on the wounded honor of the Republicans. So sad. When there were real men in the party, people would have not cowered behind polls and their fear of offending the extreme fringes. If Mussolini and Hitler were alive and offered material support to the Republicans, would you take it? Perhaps offending the extremists and staying within the mainstream should count for something. Yeah, and Democrats didn't even let that poor little girl's body cool off before they stood right up on her chest and started trumpeting their pre-planned, pre-staged exploitation of her death for political purposes. They didn't wait for the facts, they just dragged out their political script and started labeling this as a right wing nut inspired by Sarah Palin-- not unlike the false claims that anarchist terrorist Tim McViegh was inspired by Rush Limbaugh. And in spite of this disgraceful behavior, people still not only defend the Democrats who did it-- but they perpetuate the myth. For Democrats, they have to FORCE the world to fit their worldview-- and they're always on the the lookout for opportunities to exploit even the most tragic events for their own political gain. Look at what Michael Bloomberg tried to do blaming the attempted Times Square bombing on a "TEA Partier" when it was actually an islamic extremist. The TEA Party conservatives have elitists in both parties RUNNING SCARED, acting like fools, and disgracing themselves. My advice: EMBRACE CHANGE. It's coming.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 11:37:53 GMT -5
The AZ shootings??? My Congresswoman, MY city-- there was no time or room to do anything but defend-- from the minute it happened Republicans were under UNFAIR attack for DAYS, all over the country, especially in MY city, when we were all in shock and horrified!! Best to just shut up about that!!! Anyone saying shit about conservatives in the aftermath of Giffords has a lot of nerve. I was personally shocked and alarmed by the attack. Being a more reasonable, and logical thinker-- my first thought is that there might be a wide-spread, national attack at various locations by islamists on our political leaders, my next thought was of the tragedy itself and how horrible it is. But I could not help but think at first that it might be part of a larger coordinated attack by the people we're actually at war with-- our actual enemies. It never ONCE dawned on me that one of the loyal, patriotic Americans trying to save this country from the extremists on the left would have shot this woman, or a Republican judge, or a little girl. If anything, the person that would do that would be one of these looney tax protesting, 9.11 truther, code-pink, anarchist types. And, as it turns out-- he was a truther.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 21, 2011 12:02:11 GMT -5
When is the false title of this thread going to be changed in accordance with the new "Just the facts, please" policy? There's no evidence provided that Bachmann supporters (or for that matter anyone at all) threatened this girl. Thread title is accurate according to the information in the linked article in the OP. Tennesseer/Moderator
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 14:00:48 GMT -5
When is the false title of this thread going to be changed in accordance with the new "Just the facts, please" policy? There's no evidence provided that Bachmann supporters (or for that matter anyone at all) threatened this girl. Thread title is accurate according to the information in the linked article in the OP. Tennesseer/Moderator The article did not establish whether or not threats were made at all, let alone by whom. Just the facts, please.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 21, 2011 14:05:19 GMT -5
The allegation is that threats were made on "TEA Party websites" but no websites were cited, nor were any posts cited. Further, even if, and I think that we can already see that it's a pretty big "if" the posts were made, it was not established in the article that the posts were made by a, "Bachmann supporter".
Let's get changing the title in accordance with the new "just the facts please" CoC amendment.
Prove me wrong- have some intergrity. Let's see that the rule change wasn't an arbitrary response to conservative thread titles here. Let's have some consistency and even handedness from the Mods, or let us all forever assume that there is in fact a far, far left bent here and just come in here knowing that we're at the Daily Kos wannabe website.
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