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Post by Pants on Jun 12, 2019 14:27:39 GMT -5
I still do a wall calendar which I thought would help DH remember when he gets paid and when bills are due so he doesn't overspend. Yeah. .. then it became my job not only to do the calendar but also to remind him to look at it which defeats the purpose of having the calendar in the first place. I've just made two tasks for myself and given him an out if I forget to put something on there. If I did put it on there "well you didn't remind me". It drives me insane that the suggestion any time a man won't act like a grown up is that I as the wife need to create MORE work in an attempt to make HIS life easier. How about you check your pay stubs or look online at our bank statements every month like other normal working adults do? I told DH the other day while I know he loves me and have never doubted that I honestly feel like he didn't marry me as a partner, he married me to take the place of his mother. I also said this does not seem to unique to just you. It speaks to a deeper problem culturally. Who the everloving f*ck can't remember when they get paid?!?!?! I mean, I agree with everything said here in general about doing the damn babysitting of spouses & not feeling the need to beg for help, but really?! He can't remember when he gets paid ? *Raises hand* I have no idea when I get paid. I'm not sure when the last time I needed that information was, but it was a while ago, so I don't actually know it. (Not to excuse Drama's husband who is a douchecanoe.)
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Post by giramomma on Jun 12, 2019 14:39:29 GMT -5
I'm giving more thought to the shaving thanks to several posts. I don't want her to feel self concious, but I also don't want her to grow up so fast [img src="http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sad.png" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png" alt=" " class="smile"] I feel you on that. For me, I try to evaluate how DD1 is doing on the whole. It's definitely a balancing act.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jun 12, 2019 14:44:23 GMT -5
Who the everloving f*ck can't remember when they get paid?!?!?! I mean, I agree with everything said here in general about doing the damn babysitting of spouses & not feeling the need to beg for help, but really?! He can't remember when he gets paid ? *Raises hand* I have no idea when I get paid. I'm not sure when the last time I needed that information was, but it was a while ago, so I don't actually know it. (Not to excuse Drama's husband who is a douchecanoe.) You aren't having banking issues because you don't remember either, are you? I assume her DH is. I bet you have a basic idea of how often and when it's probably coming.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 12, 2019 15:04:20 GMT -5
I still do a wall calendar which I thought would help DH remember when he gets paid and when bills are due so he doesn't overspend. Yeah. .. then it became my job not only to do the calendar but also to remind him to look at it which defeats the purpose of having the calendar in the first place. I've just made two tasks for myself and given him an out if I forget to put something on there. If I did put it on there "well you didn't remind me". It drives me insane that the suggestion any time a man won't act like a grown up is that I as the wife need to create MORE work in an attempt to make HIS life easier. How about you check your pay stubs or look online at our bank statements every month like other normal working adults do? I told DH the other day while I know he loves me and have never doubted that I honestly feel like he didn't marry me as a partner, he married me to take the place of his mother. I also said this does not seem to unique to just you. It speaks to a deeper problem culturally. Who the everloving f*ck can't remember when they get paid?!?!?! I mean, I agree with everything said here in general about doing the damn babysitting of spouses & not feeling the need to beg for help, but really?! He can't remember when he gets paid ? He knows it's every two weeks but never has bothered to learn the schedule. We've also had many discussions about gross vs net and making sure you know what taxes come out of your paycheck. Scary thing is he's likely not unique in that regard. As long as there was money he never cared till I came along.
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Post by Pants on Jun 12, 2019 15:06:35 GMT -5
Who the everloving f*ck can't remember when they get paid?!?!?! I mean, I agree with everything said here in general about doing the damn babysitting of spouses & not feeling the need to beg for help, but really?! He can't remember when he gets paid ? He knows it's every two weeks but never has bothered to learn the schedule. We've also had many discussions about gross vs net and making sure you know what taxes come out of your paycheck. Scary thing is he's likely not unique in that regard. As long as there was money he never cared till I came along. Does he care now? I would argue still no.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jun 12, 2019 15:17:09 GMT -5
Who the everloving f*ck can't remember when they get paid?!?!?! I mean, I agree with everything said here in general about doing the damn babysitting of spouses & not feeling the need to beg for help, but really?! He can't remember when he gets paid ? He knows it's every two weeks but never has bothered to learn the schedule. We've also had many discussions about gross vs net and making sure you know what taxes come out of your paycheck. Scary thing is he's likely not unique in that regard. As long as there was money he never cared till I came along. I hope he's fairly unique in his age bracket anyway.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jun 12, 2019 15:41:23 GMT -5
He knows it's every two weeks but never has bothered to learn the schedule. We've also had many discussions about gross vs net and making sure you know what taxes come out of your paycheck. Scary thing is he's likely not unique in that regard. As long as there was money he never cared till I came along. I hope he's fairly unique in his age bracket anyway. Probably not as unique as you would think. My husband is like 10 years older than DQs and as long as he had money in his bank account, he never cared about money. But, he's been very good about doing work on everything but finance. I'll stick to being a bit of a control freak there.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 12, 2019 15:43:32 GMT -5
He knows it's every two weeks but never has bothered to learn the schedule. We've also had many discussions about gross vs net and making sure you know what taxes come out of your paycheck. Scary thing is he's likely not unique in that regard. As long as there was money he never cared till I came along. Does he care now? I would argue still no. Not really. I've given up on that. As long as taxes are coming out and he's saving for retirement if he wants to be clueless so be it. I'm not going to chase him around. I know when we're paid.
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Post by debthaven on Jun 12, 2019 15:59:57 GMT -5
Rae, I do NOT want to minimize your frustration, not at all! But reading your posts, I can't help but wonder whether it would be easier for YOU to arrange for a regular grocery delivery. Your DH could (hopefully) be tasked with being there for the delivery and putting the things away. Here you can set up a weekly or biweekly or monthly shopping list, AND have it postponed.
Again, I'm NOT trying to make your DH's life easier ... his life seems plenty easy to me!!! I'm just trying to make YOUR life easier! Hugs
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Post by debthaven on Jun 12, 2019 16:06:02 GMT -5
I just wanted to say that you Ladies all rock. Dealing with demanding jobs, kids, schools, extra-curriculars and (too often) DHs that aren't pulling their weight. You are rock stars. I am going to be 60 this year and you cannot imagine how happy I am that that period of my life is over. I enjoyed it, but it is DAMN HARD WORK!!!
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Post by debthaven on Jun 12, 2019 16:16:25 GMT -5
Grandma update I wanted to tell you a couple of Grandma anecdotes. Anecdote 1: Every time I ask my DDIL to SHOW me how to do something, she says, oh no don't worry, I'll do it! She does it at the speed of light, so I never learn. We got a new car last month. We bought a car seat last year. I watched the installation video on youtube 3 times, took the car seat out to the new car, and installed it no problem! Yay me LOL! I pick DDIL and E (grandson) up at the airport (DS1 was arriving 48h later). I ask DDIL to check that I've installed the car seat correctly. She says, yes, it's perfect! We drive off. Suddenly there is a huge gust of wind (happily we're still in the airport so driving slowly). We had forgotten to activate the child safety lock, and E had opened the car door. E was all strapped in, as was his car seat. We were both horrified of course, but once DDIL activated the child safety lock and we drove off again, she started laughing like crazy. I was SO happy that she wasn't upset with me! She confessed that the last time she had rented a car, she was so concerned about attaching E into the car seat that she had forgotten to attach the car seat to the car. That was the only time that we spent an evening together without DS1, and we had so much fun.
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Post by debthaven on Jun 12, 2019 16:25:11 GMT -5
Anecdote 2:
DS1 was on a learning trip for his MSc. DDIL decided to do a weekend trip in Paris with her best friends and asked us to watch E.
It was the WORST POSSIBLE TIMING because she asked us to watch E during DH's play weekend, he had 5 performances. But we didn't want to say no to DDIL. I was committed to working during 2 of those 5 performances. I was fine with changing the dates, but not with working less than 2 of the 5 performances.
DS1 tells me, you can't leave E with a babysitter in a house he doesn't know well! So I pay for DS3 (E's uncle) to come back from Brussels to share/trade off play/babysitting duties with me.
DS1 tells me, but you can't ask DS3 to babysit, E hasn't seen him in 4 months! (They FT all the time).
I have no choice ... so I arrange for DS3 to see his Dad's play on Sat afternoon, take an Uber home, then I leave to work Sat night.
DS1 tells me, but you can't leave before E is asleep! He won't remember DS3!
I am freaking out, so I message DDIL to reassure her (and myself). I tell her I know DS1 is very concerned, but please know that I'm only 15-20 min away. If ever there is a problem, I can be home in 15-20 min.
DDIL messaged me back ... Yes I know that DS1 is very concerned. Frankly, I'm not! I'm sure it will all go well.
And it did!!! SO much stress and anxiety, all for nothing!
DS1 was worried about DDIL leaving ... E cried out Mama! Mama! It was heartbreaking! It lasted all of 5 seconds LOL. The INSTANT the gate shut, E turns to me with a big smile and says, "we play?!"
He did exactly the same thing when I left him with his uncle. He called for me until the gate shut, then he asked DS3 (his uncle) "we play?!" LOL!!!
The short version is, I've realized that my grandson is easy, but my DS1 is a bit of a PITA LOL.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jun 12, 2019 16:30:02 GMT -5
Rae, I do NOT want to minimize your frustration, not at all! But reading your posts, I can't help but wonder whether it would be easier for YOU to arrange for a regular grocery delivery. Your DH could (hopefully) be tasked with being there for the delivery and putting the things away. Here you can set up a weekly or biweekly or monthly shopping list, AND have it postponed.
Again, I'm NOT trying to make your DH's life easier ... his life seems plenty easy to me!!! I'm just trying to make YOUR life easier! Hugs I don't actually need help with grocery shopping. I was content with curbside pick up and never asked him to help with this. But as part of another argument that dived into division of labor I told him I was done trying to give him tasks to do. 1) It's not my job to tell him basic life functions, and 2) there's no history of him actually doing them even when I ask. Based on that conversation he came back later and said he would take over grocery shopping (and medical bills) to try to contribute more. Even if he actually does both of those things consistently it probably gives me back an extra 30-45 minutes a week--being super generous and assuming that the wait for the pick up was extra long. So his idea of helping more is a drop in an ocean and he totally doesn't get it. If I try to point it out he'll shut down and go to a "nothing I do is good enough" place. I honestly see no way to get through to him. He reads the same things I read. He KNOWS this is a real problem. He just somehow thinks he's special, or I'm awful, or I don't know. Maybe if I died he'd get it? Even then I doubt it. And he actually does like 1000x more than he ever did before we had kids. He loads and unloads the dishwasher 3-4 times a week. Might handwash pots and pans 1-2 times a month. Takes his folded laundry and puts it away and tells the kids to do the same. He folds laundry every now and then. When I get super pissed he'll put some real effort into picking up every couple months or so. This is seriously a huge improvement. But it's nothing compared to everything that actually has to get done every every week and he's the one working part time.
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Post by debthaven on Jun 12, 2019 16:38:18 GMT -5
More hugs Rae. I hope you can find a system that works for you.
As the kids get older, you might consider giving them more chores (in exchange for money or not).
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Post by oped on Jun 12, 2019 16:46:47 GMT -5
So I’m thinking of designing a husband chore checklist product you can just hang up on the wall and dry erase check off and then erase and repeat...
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Post by raeoflyte on Jun 12, 2019 17:02:41 GMT -5
So I’m thinking of designing a husband chore checklist product you can just hang up on the wall and dry erase check off and then erase and repeat... Oh, we've had one of those up for over almost a year I'd say, over a year maybe? I use it. The kids use theirs pretty well. I reminded dh that if he wanted physical lists from me they're on the hall closet. I'm at the point that he's either incapable or manipulating me.
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Post by Pants on Jun 12, 2019 17:22:34 GMT -5
Rae, I do NOT want to minimize your frustration, not at all! But reading your posts, I can't help but wonder whether it would be easier for YOU to arrange for a regular grocery delivery. Your DH could (hopefully) be tasked with being there for the delivery and putting the things away. Here you can set up a weekly or biweekly or monthly shopping list, AND have it postponed.
Again, I'm NOT trying to make your DH's life easier ... his life seems plenty easy to me!!! I'm just trying to make YOUR life easier! Hugs I don't actually need help with grocery shopping. I was content with curbside pick up and never asked him to help with this. But as part of another argument that dived into division of labor I told him I was done trying to give him tasks to do. 1) It's not my job to tell him basic life functions, and 2) there's no history of him actually doing them even when I ask. Based on that conversation he came back later and said he would take over grocery shopping (and medical bills) to try to contribute more. Even if he actually does both of those things consistently it probably gives me back an extra 30-45 minutes a week--being super generous and assuming that the wait for the pick up was extra long. So his idea of helping more is a drop in an ocean and he totally doesn't get it. If I try to point it out he'll shut down and go to a "nothing I do is good enough" place. I honestly see no way to get through to him. He reads the same things I read. He KNOWS this is a real problem. He just somehow thinks he's special, or I'm awful, or I don't know. Maybe if I died he'd get it? Even then I doubt it. And he actually does like 1000x more than he ever did before we had kids. He loads and unloads the dishwasher 3-4 times a week. Might handwash pots and pans 1-2 times a month. Takes his folded laundry and puts it away and tells the kids to do the same. He folds laundry every now and then. When I get super pissed he'll put some real effort into picking up every couple months or so. This is seriously a huge improvement. But it's nothing compared to everything that actually has to get done every every week and he's the one working part time. I’m sorry, Rae.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 12, 2019 17:55:36 GMT -5
So I’m thinking of designing a husband chore checklist product you can just hang up on the wall and dry erase check off and then erase and repeat... And if he doesn't do it smack him with a frying pan? I like that option.😈
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Post by oped on Jun 12, 2019 18:43:21 GMT -5
So I’m thinking of designing a husband chore checklist product you can just hang up on the wall and dry erase check off and then erase and repeat... And if he doesn't do it smack him with a frying pan? I like that option.😈 The upper level kits will include cast iron.
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Post by Pants on Jun 12, 2019 18:48:58 GMT -5
Rae, I do NOT want to minimize your frustration, not at all! But reading your posts, I can't help but wonder whether it would be easier for YOU to arrange for a regular grocery delivery. Your DH could (hopefully) be tasked with being there for the delivery and putting the things away. Here you can set up a weekly or biweekly or monthly shopping list, AND have it postponed.
Again, I'm NOT trying to make your DH's life easier ... his life seems plenty easy to me!!! I'm just trying to make YOUR life easier! Hugs I don't actually need help with grocery shopping. I was content with curbside pick up and never asked him to help with this. But as part of another argument that dived into division of labor I told him I was done trying to give him tasks to do. 1) It's not my job to tell him basic life functions, and 2) there's no history of him actually doing them even when I ask. Based on that conversation he came back later and said he would take over grocery shopping (and medical bills) to try to contribute more. Even if he actually does both of those things consistently it probably gives me back an extra 30-45 minutes a week--being super generous and assuming that the wait for the pick up was extra long. So his idea of helping more is a drop in an ocean and he totally doesn't get it. If I try to point it out he'll shut down and go to a "nothing I do is good enough" place. I honestly see no way to get through to him. He reads the same things I read. He KNOWS this is a real problem. He just somehow thinks he's special, or I'm awful, or I don't know. Maybe if I died he'd get it? Even then I doubt it. And he actually does like 1000x more than he ever did before we had kids. He loads and unloads the dishwasher 3-4 times a week. Might handwash pots and pans 1-2 times a month. Takes his folded laundry and puts it away and tells the kids to do the same. He folds laundry every now and then. When I get super pissed he'll put some real effort into picking up every couple months or so. This is seriously a huge improvement. But it's nothing compared to everything that actually has to get done every every week and he's the one working part time. Can I ask about this line: "he thinks he's special, or I'm awful" - in what way does he think you're awful? If I'm piecing this together right, you got in a fight about X, said he doesn't trust you, then somehow to bolster the fact that he trusts you he decided to list all of the things he trusts you to do. Which is 90% of everything, probably? So he sees the disparity, and his response is that you're awful? You dont have to walk walk me through it if you don't want, I'm just honestly trying to understand the logic of... all of this.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jun 12, 2019 18:51:58 GMT -5
And if he doesn't do it smack him with a frying pan? I like that option.😈 The upper level kits will include cast iron. I think it should be automatic so that if someone hasn't done chores in a couple days they just automatically get sacked. Lol. 😂
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Post by raeoflyte on Jun 12, 2019 19:47:09 GMT -5
I don't actually need help with grocery shopping. I was content with curbside pick up and never asked him to help with this. But as part of another argument that dived into division of labor I told him I was done trying to give him tasks to do. 1) It's not my job to tell him basic life functions, and 2) there's no history of him actually doing them even when I ask. Based on that conversation he came back later and said he would take over grocery shopping (and medical bills) to try to contribute more. Even if he actually does both of those things consistently it probably gives me back an extra 30-45 minutes a week--being super generous and assuming that the wait for the pick up was extra long. So his idea of helping more is a drop in an ocean and he totally doesn't get it. If I try to point it out he'll shut down and go to a "nothing I do is good enough" place. I honestly see no way to get through to him. He reads the same things I read. He KNOWS this is a real problem. He just somehow thinks he's special, or I'm awful, or I don't know. Maybe if I died he'd get it? Even then I doubt it. And he actually does like 1000x more than he ever did before we had kids. He loads and unloads the dishwasher 3-4 times a week. Might handwash pots and pans 1-2 times a month. Takes his folded laundry and puts it away and tells the kids to do the same. He folds laundry every now and then. When I get super pissed he'll put some real effort into picking up every couple months or so. This is seriously a huge improvement. But it's nothing compared to everything that actually has to get done every every week and he's the one working part time. Can I ask about this line: "he thinks he's special, or I'm awful" - in what way does he think you're awful? If I'm piecing this together right, you got in a fight about X, said he doesn't trust you, then somehow to bolster the fact that he trusts you he decided to list all of the things he trusts you to do. Which is 90% of everything, probably? So he sees the disparity, and his response is that you're awful? You dont have to walk walk me through it if you don't want, I'm just honestly trying to understand the logic of... all of this. He didn't say that, I'm grasping as to why someone smart and otherwise capable is so blind. Fight is opposite as well. I don't feel like he trusts my judgment. It comes up a lot with diabetes care, and that day he had an issue with the bike helmets I bought the kids (target helmets, not premium bike shop helmets). He insists he does trust me and his reasoning is just look at everything trusts me to take care of. Long time issue, but instead of dh wanting to help work on why I feel like that he focuses on why my perceptions on the matter are wrong and proving that he is right.
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Post by lurkyloo on Jun 12, 2019 21:56:16 GMT -5
Hugs rae. Also...wow. So, he makes himself feel special and capable for a minute, while actually increasing your emotional load (bc now you have to do the planning/management and stress about the fact he said he would and is dumping it on you anyway)? Intentional or not, that is like graduate-level suckitude there. I’m sorry.
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Post by azucena on Jun 13, 2019 7:12:41 GMT -5
Rae, I do NOT want to minimize your frustration, not at all! But reading your posts, I can't help but wonder whether it would be easier for YOU to arrange for a regular grocery delivery. Your DH could (hopefully) be tasked with being there for the delivery and putting the things away. Here you can set up a weekly or biweekly or monthly shopping list, AND have it postponed.
Again, I'm NOT trying to make your DH's life easier ... his life seems plenty easy to me!!! I'm just trying to make YOUR life easier! Hugs I don't actually need help with grocery shopping. I was content with curbside pick up and never asked him to help with this. But as part of another argument that dived into division of labor I told him I was done trying to give him tasks to do. 1) It's not my job to tell him basic life functions, and 2) there's no history of him actually doing them even when I ask. Based on that conversation he came back later and said he would take over grocery shopping (and medical bills) to try to contribute more. Even if he actually does both of those things consistently it probably gives me back an extra 30-45 minutes a week--being super generous and assuming that the wait for the pick up was extra long. So his idea of helping more is a drop in an ocean and he totally doesn't get it. If I try to point it out he'll shut down and go to a "nothing I do is good enough" place. I honestly see no way to get through to him. He reads the same things I read. He KNOWS this is a real problem. He just somehow thinks he's special, or I'm awful, or I don't know. Maybe if I died he'd get it? Even then I doubt it. And he actually does like 1000x more than he ever did before we had kids. He loads and unloads the dishwasher 3-4 times a week. Might handwash pots and pans 1-2 times a month. Takes his folded laundry and puts it away and tells the kids to do the same. He folds laundry every now and then. When I get super pissed he'll put some real effort into picking up every couple months or so. This is seriously a huge improvement. But it's nothing compared to everything that actually has to get done every every week and he's the one working part time. Rae - I could have bolded your whole post as things that I could have said myself, but I chose just the most noteworthy. I underlined my particular sticking point - my DH totally shuts down and goes into the I'm never going to be good enough for you anyway mode too. WTF. I chose to marry you and am choosing to stay with you despite all the unevenness and other crap, but sure throw yourself a pity party and turn into the victim in every argument. And I truly am choosing to stay, I make way more than enough to support myself and kids. Last night, another facet of the emotional labor discussion occurred to me. What is it with "man caves"? Men have so much free time that need a whole room devoted to watching tv, sports, hobbies, etc. How often does a woman prioritize herself with a whole room like that?!
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 13, 2019 8:23:19 GMT -5
I don't actually need help with grocery shopping. I was content with curbside pick up and never asked him to help with this. But as part of another argument that dived into division of labor I told him I was done trying to give him tasks to do. 1) It's not my job to tell him basic life functions, and 2) there's no history of him actually doing them even when I ask. Based on that conversation he came back later and said he would take over grocery shopping (and medical bills) to try to contribute more. Even if he actually does both of those things consistently it probably gives me back an extra 30-45 minutes a week--being super generous and assuming that the wait for the pick up was extra long. So his idea of helping more is a drop in an ocean and he totally doesn't get it. If I try to point it out he'll shut down and go to a "nothing I do is good enough" place. I honestly see no way to get through to him. He reads the same things I read. He KNOWS this is a real problem. He just somehow thinks he's special, or I'm awful, or I don't know. Maybe if I died he'd get it? Even then I doubt it. And he actually does like 1000x more than he ever did before we had kids. He loads and unloads the dishwasher 3-4 times a week. Might handwash pots and pans 1-2 times a month. Takes his folded laundry and puts it away and tells the kids to do the same. He folds laundry every now and then. When I get super pissed he'll put some real effort into picking up every couple months or so. This is seriously a huge improvement. But it's nothing compared to everything that actually has to get done every every week and he's the one working part time. Rae - I could have bolded your whole post as things that I could have said myself, but I chose just the most noteworthy. I underlined my particular sticking point - my DH totally shuts down and goes into the I'm never going to be good enough for you anyway mode too. WTF. I chose to marry you and am choosing to stay with you despite all the unevenness and other crap, but sure throw yourself a pity party and turn into the victim in every argument. And I truly am choosing to stay, I make way more than enough to support myself and kids. Last night, another facet of the emotional labor discussion occurred to me. What is it with "man caves"? Men have so much free time that need a whole room devoted to watching tv, sports, hobbies, etc. How often does a woman prioritize herself with a whole room like that?! We get crappy commercials on how our "she sheds" burn down and make us women look like paranoid idiots.
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Knee Deep in Water Chloe
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jun 13, 2019 9:26:13 GMT -5
I know I get paid on the 25th, but I don't always realize it's pay day. If that makes sense.
Our budget runs by the calendar month, so pay day itself isn't relevant. Now, that's only since about 2012. Before that, I was definitely waiting for payday and knew exactly when it would show up.
DD has her EEG this morning. It's a sleep deprived one, so she's especially cranky. DH is taking her since I don't have the physical capability of driving for five hours--round trip. I'm hoping the results are simple in the fact that the medical staff just easily say "go back on your epilepsy meds, and everything will be fine."
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Post by finnime on Jun 13, 2019 9:31:39 GMT -5
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Post by Pants on Jun 13, 2019 9:35:27 GMT -5
Good luck to your daughter today, Chloe.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jun 13, 2019 9:35:38 GMT -5
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 13, 2019 10:15:29 GMT -5
My DH seems to expect me to remember what he had at a restaurant and if he liked it. Going back to first dating in 2001.
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