Îllêgals, amnesty, the issues and battles

[hello fromWarsaw]

I'm tired of immigrants- I would liketo be a modern country...like NZ In other words, Amnesty, then good ID, NO ILLEGAL work in conjunction with health care. Or just throw em out...And help em THERE LOL...

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I know some people dislike FOX, but there is a really good investigative report on here, full of info, including the terrorist link coming in from Mexico. Some pretty graphic.

www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html

This is NOT a partisan problem. It is politically partisan sometimes, but the problem is neutral.

Sweet.. no words, you know them.

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crazy-- legal pot would help, but there are more issues than that.

Burns!! Good to see ya awake, buddy!!!!

War, War, War... whatever are we going to do with you??


Hey, sweet, burns, check your PM in a few minutes. Something silly for you!!

[burnsattornincan]

Aren't you canadian? ...dang shysters


Yeah, so what? We have an immigration problem just like you and practically every other first world country. New Zealand? Third world people looking for a place to get a free ride probably never heard of the joint. Who the hell wants to go there anyway.

[hello fromWarsaw]

They and Oz are TOUGH on non Anglo immigrants...
Of course pot's only part of the problem, about 60% of the smuggling problem...

[hello fromWarsaw]

You're Canadian and telling someone they're not a REAL American, LOL? ;D

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Did you lower yourself to watch the FOX video, War? What do you think of it?

[burnsattornincan]

They and Oz are TOUGH on non Anglo immigrants...

Thats right and their balance sheets don't look too bad. Any correlation? Why yes!

[hello fromWarsaw]

Night kids

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See ya's.

[hello fromWarsaw]

NO ;D

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DANG!! Moon removed the sticking tongue out emoticon!!!

So I am sticking my tongue out at you and saying naneenaneebooboo.

[henryclay]

This may seem off topic at first, but it isn't. It is exactly ON target if you do a little corelating.

The EURO was supposed to save the European economy from itself. That's why it was adopted about twenty years ago. Now, with some bad economies and the call for bailouts and all the while no one offering any real attraction, some states, (countries), are wanting out.
. . .

this week, Denmark announced that it planning to reinstate border guards between itself and Sweden and Germany. This falls short of completely reinstating border control, but the guards will be doing spot-checks. The sudden influx of refugees from North Africa as a result of this year’s Arab Spring uprisings (and in one case, civil war), is the catalyst. With France and Italy bearing the brunt of the influx, they’ve also been unable to contain it; once the refugees are in the country, they can fan out throughout Europe in the absence of border controls between them and other Europeans countries.

In this case, the analogy [with the U.S.] isn’t so direct, but the problems do have some echos. The Commerce Clause was intended to eliminate internal trade barriers between states, and the question of a unified foreign policy was equally important – only the Federal Government could conclude treaties with foreign powers, for instance. Another motivation was the very real fear that the emerging trans-Appalachian states might split off and form their own country, either in alliance with or union with Spain.

In Europe’s case, individual countries believe they are being forced into reinstating border controls because the lack of internal controls is making them all pay France’s and Italy’s inability to deal with the problem. One result would be the institution of internal controls again. Another might be to hasten a unified defense and EU-border control regime, instead of leaving that to the individual countries.

The differences, of course, should be obvious. Europe goes into this crisis with a central bureaucratic government that is already at once too powerful and too unaccountable for the good of its people. It lacks the tradition of the English Common Law. It already has a central bank and currency, so the problems faced by Greece are already on Europe’s plate, and there’s little room for incremental change by either party.

See anything familiar yet?

www.jsharf.com/view/?p=1177#more-1177

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Yes, I do, Henry. Makes me sick. Some people think it is just great. Sometimes I think if I just tell people they will understand, then I realize some already understand and that is okay with them. Welcome to the NWO.....

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This is NOT about Obama. If you love Obama and hate Bush, or vise-versa-- watch this.

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Another long one. Just throwing them out there. Maybe save them and watch them whenever??

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SO sad. Guess no one will ever know why they went across. Wish they had just let the illegals go in this case. Video in link.
www.theblaze.com/stories/two-border-patrol-agents-killed-while-chasing-illegal-immigrants/

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www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/13/exclusive-border-community-organizing-petition-protest-obamas-immigration/
EXCLUSIVE: Border Community Organizing Petition to Protest Obama's Immigration Speech
By Jana Winter
Published May 13, 2011
The residents of the Chiricahua-Peloncillo drug and human smuggling corridor that runs from the Mexican border north through eastern Arizona and western New Mexico are circulating a petition to send to the White House in response to President Obama's recent immigration speech.
"It is with great wonderment and sadness that we listened to your May 10 speech on immigration issues. All of the joking about moats and alligators cut residents of Portal, AZ, to the core as we sheltered with friends or at a Red Cross evacuation site, to survive a terrible fire that still threatens our lives and property, as well as our ecotourism-based economy," the letter reads.
On Sunday, a massive fire broke out in Horseshoe Canyon, about 50 miles north of the Mexican border, which residents and law enforcement say they believe was started by criminal illegal aliens. Last year, a fire in the same location caused more than $10 million in damages.
"During its first 24-hrs, the fire consumed a greater area than did last year's fire over a 6-week period. Local residents were roused after midnight, and some slept fitfully in cars after fleeing with family photos and any valuables that could be quickly assembled. Elderly retirees left with medical supplies, including oxygen tanks on which some depend," the letter reads.
The petition comes just days after Obama appeared in El Paso, Texas, to plead the case for immigration reform that has been bottled up in Congress for years. During his remarks, the president argued that the border is as safe as it has ever been but Republican opportunists are using the issue to score political points and prevent legal reforms to address illegal immigration.
((Obama blahblahblah..))
Jeff Gee, one of the organizers behind the petition and a firefighter battling the still-burning fire in Horseshoe Canyon, says he was insulted by Obama's speech.
“I’m really disappointed at current border security, I’m really disappointed at the president’s speech saying that people like me wants moats with alligators, but moats with alligators might work, nothing else,” he told FoxNews.com.
“We’re doing everything we can to get the word out that this is serious problem, it’s not just a border issue, the drugs and crime are moving through the corridor and they keep going to major cities. I don’t know if this letter will help, but nothing else is."
Cochise County, Ariz., Sheriff Larry Dever, who penned an op-ed in The New York Times Friday describing the plight of border residents, told FoxNews.com that the petition is a plea for the administration to take a closer look at the hardships they are suffering.
"These people are not overreacting. What they suggest in letter is very deep part of their belief system based on their experience and their experience has been horrific -- they see human smuggling and drug trafficking, they sit on their porch and watch people walk through, they've had their homes burglarized," Dever said.
"It's a beautiful landscape and for those that moved out there for a sense of tranquility and peace, that's been destroyed," he added.
The letter has been posted at post offices in the border towns of Portal, Ariz. and Rodeo, New Mexico, for signatures to be added.
Copies of the letter will also be sent to Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., Arizona Republican Sens. John McCain and Jon Kyl, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, and National Public Radio.
In the letter, petitioners say that despite the president's protestations, "neither the border nor daily life" is secure.
"Seizure of record quantities of drugs may pad the statistics of Homeland Security, but it does nothing to ease the burdens we have been forced to bear. Over the years, as our homes have been burgled or invaded, our fences, water lines and windows repeatedly broken, our businesses driven toward bankruptcy, our natural surroundings desecrated by trash and fire, and our lives even obliterated (neighbor Rob Krentz, murdered by a drug scout), it has amazed us how little note is taken of these tragedies by our government and the press," the letter reads.
"Is it enough, now that we have suffered back-to-back fires that threaten to erase our very reasons for living here? What must we say or do to garner your attention and help? How is it that, on the same day we took Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, we could not prevent illegals - 50 miles within our borders (!) - from setting a fire along a known smuggling route in an extremely dry year? Why were federal agents (BP, ICE, National Guard, or Special Forces) not posted along this route in anticipation of a repeat of last year's calamity? Better still, why were the illegals not captured before they had traveled 50 miles north of the border?! Or, in the eyes of our government, do we just reside in a 'sacrifice zone'?"
The letter also describes the devastation the fires have caused to the areas unique biodiversity, which attracts bird-watchers and naturalists from around the world.
The petitioners then asks the president to outline how he plans to fulfill his obligation to protect their constitutional right to defense from foreign invasions "especially as this regards fires set by Mexican drug and human smugglers.
"We thank you in advance for your anticipated response," it concludes.
Dever said the residents of the area are generally self-sufficient and do their part, "but they also expect government agencies to take some responsibility. They're not, and these people are suffering the consequences," Dever said.
The residents will "come together and unite in this front," he added. "They're not going to give up. They're not going to roll over."

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www.kpho.com/news/27869763/detail.html
Vehicle Carrying Illegal Immigrants Causes Fire Truck Roll-Over
2 Fire Fighters Injured During Roll-Over
POSTED: 10:10 am MST May 12, 2011
CASA GRANDE, Ariz. -- A Regional fire truck from station No. 586 was returning from a traffic collision at about 1:30 a.m Thursday when a white Cadillac Escalade failed to make a full stop at the intersection of Kleck and Overfield roads.
"There was a vehicle approaching from east to west, temporarily paused at the stop sign and then California-rolled through it and was creeping through the intersection," firefighter John Hemmings said. "As I applied the brakes, the truck started to swerve a little bit."
The 400-gallon tanker truck slid into a ditch, rolled over and flipped end-over-end, Chief Steven Kerber said.
VIDEO: Vehicle Carrying Illegal Immigrants Causes Fire Truck Roll-Over
According to the Pinal County Sheriff's Office, the SUV fled the scene.
A fellow firefighter managed to free himself from the wreck, but Hemmings required extrication and treatment at a local hospital for his injuries.
Pinal County Sheriff's deputies located the Escalade near Cox and McCarthy. According to PCSO, eight illegal immigrants were detained.
Kerber said regardless who was involved, everyone needs to yield to emergency vehicles, especially when they have the right of way.
Early damages estimates to the refurbished '94 International tanker engine are around $150,000.
Kerber said it is the most important emergency vehicle in their fleet and believes it will be a total loss.

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US State Dept warning about Mexico travel on 4/22/11
travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5440.html
(My state. Much more in link.)
Nogales and Northern Sonora: You are advised to exercise caution in the city of Nogales. Northern Sonora is a key region in the international drug and human trafficking trades, and can be extremely dangerous for travelers. The U.S. Consulate requires that armored vehicles are used for official travel in the consular district of Nogales, including certain areas within the city of Nogales. The region west of Nogales, east of Sonoyta, and from Caborca north, including the towns of Saric, Tubutama and Altar, and the eastern edge of Sonora bordering Chihuahua, are known centers of illegal activity. You should defer non-essential travel to these areas.

You are advised to exercise caution when visiting the coastal town of Puerto Peñasco. In the past year there have been multiple incidents of TCO-related violence, including the shooting of the city's police chief. U.S. citizens visiting Puerto Peñasco are urged to cross the border at Lukeville, AZ, to limit driving through Mexico and to limit travel to main roads during daylight hours.

Carjacking and highway robbery are serious problems in many parts of the border region and U.S. citizens have been murdered in such incidents. Most victims who complied with carjackers at these checkpoints have reported that they were not physically harmed. Incidents have occurred during the day and at night, and carjackers have used a variety of techniques, including bumping moving vehicles to force them to stop and running vehicles off the road at high speed. There are some indications that criminals have particularly targeted newer and larger vehicles with U.S. license plates, especially dark-colored SUVs. However, victims' vehicles have included those with both Mexican and American registration and vary in type from late model SUVs and pick-up trucks to old sedans.

If you make frequent visits to border cities, you should vary your route and park in well-lighted, guarded and paid parking lots. Exercise caution when entering or exiting vehicles.

Large firefights between rival TCOs or TCOs and Mexican authorities have taken place in towns and cities in many parts of Mexico, especially in the border region. Firefights have occurred in broad daylight on streets and in other public venues, such as restaurants and clubs. During some of these incidents, U.S. citizens have been trapped and temporarily prevented from leaving the area. The location and timing of future armed engagements cannot be predicted. You are urged to defer travel to those areas mentioned in this Travel Warning and to exercise extreme caution when traveling throughout the northern border region.

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Tucson's local liberal mayor says yesterday:
azstarnet.com/news/blogs/border-boletin/article_926d47f0-7dc2-11e0-b10b-001cc4c002e0.html
Rocky Point remains a safe place to visit, said Tucson mayor Bob Walkup emphatically during a visit this week to the Mexican beach town.
Walkup said that “honest, decent people” who have traveled outside the U.S. shouldn't worry about traveling to the Mexican beach town also known as Puerto Peñasco.
“You need to be watchful no matter where you go in this world, whether it’s into Mexico, into Europe or wherever,” Walkup said. “I think for the normal traveler, this is a safe place.”
Rocky Point business owners there are seeking to reverse damage caused by the recent inclusion in the State Department’s updated travel warning for Mexico that was published on April 22. The warning advised people to exercise caution in the popular beach town because of multiple incidents of transnational criminal organization -related violence.
The mayor said he promised to help promote Rocky Point as safe destination after he heard from the owner of the Friendly Dolphin restaurant that the establishment might have to close because people are too afraid to come.
“I will go out and I will be your greatest ambassador,” Walkup said he told him. “Because this is a wonderful place and not once, not once, have I ever felt threatened as I travel into Mexico.”
Walkup was invited to the first-annual Uniting Nations Cup golf tournament, said Braden Black, who represents Long Realty Rocky Point and Castaways Rocky Point.
“I want to encourage the citizens of Arizona that this is a safe place, and that they should come down and enjoy this wonderful place,” Walkup said. “This is our Riviera. Beth (his wife) and I are down here demonstrating what a great and safe place this is.”

[SweetVirginia]

Hey krickitt

Did you hear about the hoax story reported first in "El Universal" which is a Mexican news outlet? They reported that the son of Mexican illegal immigrants, Ruben Mejia, was on of the 6 navy seals that killed bin Laden. It is amazing what the open border people will do to try to advance their agenda.

colorlines.com/archives/2011/05/ruben_mieja_story.html

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Geez, Sweet, I missed that one. Yes, they will go to any lengths. Thanks for stopping in. LOL, I just post away here all by my lonesome. Better than multiple threads about common issues, though.
;D

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Plus... begs the question of all this media attention on an illegal (this father)...........is someone on that??

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azstarnet.com/news/local/education/precollegiate/article_f330bb8e-7e7c-11e0-9fb5-001cc4c002e0.html
Meet the 24-year-old who could decide the future of TUSD's ethnic studies

Interesting..

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azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_cf54f69a-7dd1-11e0-b50f-001cc4c002e0.html
Jamaican man given nearly 5 years in Tucson ID theft case
The Associated Press | Posted: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:00 pm
A deported Jamaican citizen has been sentenced to nearly five years in prison for illegally re-entering the U.S. and trying to renew his passport in Arizona with a stolen identity.
Leighton Ogaro Coombs, 37, was sentenced to a 57-month term Thursday in U.S. District Court in Tucson, federal prosecutors say.
He pleaded guilty in January to charges of illegal re-entry after deportation and false statement in application for a passport.
Coombs was arrested last July at the Western Passport Center in Tucson after authorities say he tried to renew his passport using the stolen ID of an American citizen.
Coombs, of Kingston, was previously deported following a felony conviction for conspiracy to distribute 1,000 kilograms of marijuana in Virginia. He was sentenced to a 60-month prison term in that case.

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How very sad!! 22,000 LEGAL immigrants are told their time has come, then denied because of a glitch.. put back on the waiting list.
www.theblaze.com/stories/botched-visa-lottery-dashes-hopes-of-22000-would-be-u-s-immigrants/

[SweetVirginia]

May 14, 2011 21:11:57 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

How very sad!! 22,000 LEGAL immigrants are told their time has come, then denied because of a glitch.. put back on the waiting list.
www.theblaze.com/stories/botched-visa-lottery-dashes-hopes-of-22000-would-be-u-s-immigrants/

It only makes the illegal immigration problem more frustrating.

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