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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 17:13:50 GMT -5
Ask the people that want to wipe them out, Dez. It's not like Israel does not allow other religions, correct? It is just a Jewish nation, just like we are a Christian nation, regardless of the people that say we are not. Predominate religion identifies. As long as other religions are allowed, why does it matter what it is called? No matter what the US OR Israel is called, our friendly Muslim terrorists will still want us dead. Just the way it is.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 9, 2011 17:31:13 GMT -5
Ask the people that want to wipe them out, Dez. It's not like Israel does not allow other religions, correct? It is just a Jewish nation, just like we are a Christian nation, regardless of the people that say we are not. Predominate religion identifies. As long as other religions are allowed, why does it matter what it is called? No matter what the US OR Israel is called, our friendly Muslim terrorists will still want us dead. Just the way it is. There is still the question of " WhY a Jewish State " , a reason for , not just a proclamation of, which some , even supporters of, might also wonder , " Yeah, why, why not a State who ever wins the election , yadda, yada, look at us here, even with the rhetoric, last election, George and wife wearn't carried out, George evn drove to the swearing in with Obama, and the next election, a change , same thing, why a "Jewish State". Some would like answers Krickett, and I feel there is a difference here, because of History, long ago and very recent, and hopefully those who are uncomfortable but still are supporters will see the difference, give them those answers. Suggest read the article, you might learn something, interesting , and true, story. Actually for those who you say want to wipe them out, it would be nice if they knew the story too. I understand they are not happy with what is now, but I do feel, they too would like a peaceful way of living, not all this turmoil, bloodshed in their lives. If enough understood the why, while not converting, but just might understand, still Pissed but , and look to themselves to build the best they could. Realize , to try and get the rest, they are going to come up against a very, very determined foe, and there is a reason for that and it just might make a few/enough back off a bit and as I said, look to themselves in realization, to pay the price for trying to take what isn't theirs, with these folks, their background, their last hope here, it's not worth it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 9, 2011 18:13:07 GMT -5
Cutting aid to Israel would be like pissing on a forest fire. It's hardly the solution to our financial woes...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 18:18:45 GMT -5
The problem is, Dez-- that brand of Muslims will not stop until the whole flippin' world is Muslim or dead. If you can convince them otherwise go for it.
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Post by Value Buy on May 9, 2011 18:25:20 GMT -5
Israel gets 3 billion from USA Pakistan gets 3 billion from USA Now, which country has hidden terrorists within it's borders for years, when they profess to be our allies and are appalled we would attack the terrorists within their borders? ? Give the billions to our allies, and drone predators to our enemies.
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Post by ed1066 on May 9, 2011 18:27:56 GMT -5
Why did you change the title of the thread? Now, to borrow Paul's phrase, this is a TROLL POST!!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 18:28:12 GMT -5
Now Pakistan is threatening us with military action........
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Post by deziloooooo on May 9, 2011 20:23:42 GMT -5
Why did you change the title of the thread? Now, to borrow Paul's phrase, this is a TROLL POST!! Ed you ok guy. Been getting enough sleep, job strssful? Kids Ok? ahhh, I know, you just jumped right in to say something anything, the "ole ed jump in and yadda, yadda with out thinkihg game"..forgot you like to play that , what threw me off there was no "lib, leftest, Obama ", in it . My first two lines of the post, "----------------------------------------------------------------------------- For the readers who might be saying to them selves, "Me thinks I have been on this thread before but the header seems different, your not nuts, you may have been here before, the thread , and the header is different. ---------------------------------------- and then went on describing the post in a way to get all excited , anxiouse to go to the link as all are on all my posts ;D guess you missed that, to bad , thought a post like this would interest you, guess not. Post same themes, usually the foreign ones, been putting on same thread, usually just changing header, keeping it fresh and not clogging the zone up so much, think some one or other mentioned that problem, ok with you? Trolls, what trolls?? strange you are ed...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 20:29:16 GMT -5
I ALWAYS bump old threads, if there is a relative one nearby. That's what we are supposed to do. Not everyone does it. Some start a new thread off a post from another thread. Whatever.
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Post by Value Buy on May 9, 2011 20:30:18 GMT -5
Why did you change the title of the thread? Now, to borrow Paul's phrase, this is a TROLL POST!! Ed you ok guy. Been getting enough sleep, job strssful? Kids Ok? ahhh, I know, you just jumped right in to say something anything, the "ole ed jump in and yadda, yadda with out thinkihg game"..forgot you like to play that , what threw me off there was no "lib, leftest, Obama ", in it . My first two lines of the post, "-----------------------------------------------------------------------------For the readers who might be saying to them selves, "Me thinks I have been on this thread before but the header seems different, your not nuts, you may have been here before, the thread , and the header is different. ---------------------------------------- and then went on describing the post in a way to get all excited , anxiouse to go to the link as all are on all my posts ;D guess you missed that, to bad , thought a post like this would interest you, guess not. Post same them, usually the foreign ones, been putting on same thread, usually just changing headr, keeping it fresh and not clogging the zone up so much, think some one or other mentioned that problem, ok with you? Trolls, what trolls?? strange you are ed... Dezi, you been watching the Star Wars 6 set marathon? You are talking in riddles and sounding a lot like Yoda in your responses.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 9, 2011 20:41:01 GMT -5
I like Yoda ;D
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Post by ChiTownVenture on May 10, 2011 17:32:58 GMT -5
Whenever a discussion about Israel and the cost to the US pops up on the board I always wonder why there are so many people in the US that are so willing to support Israel but really turn a blind eye to other groups have been oppressed and forced to flee their "homeland".
Many of the people of Tibet were forced into exile, the entire Government picked up and moved to a neighboring country. If the Tibetan people and Government had the support from the US like Israel does, Tibet would be a free country today, yet the Tibetan people and Government have worked to rebuilt/reestablished themselves away from Chinese oppression. Today the Dali Lama is giving up his control and power of the Government in Exile (handing it over to a Government official) with the long lived realization that he can help the people of Tibet and people all over the world without staking a claim to land. This progress has eased tensions between China and the people that remained in the Country and hopefully will get much better (livable) in the future.
It makes you wonder if the current conflict with Israel is going to end peacefully or what other options Israel has for a positive outcome.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 17:52:22 GMT -5
Dezi- have you seen this story? www.theblaze.com/stories/egyptian-prez-candidate-hamas-not-really-a-terror-group/EGYPTIAN PREZ CANDIDATE: HAMAS NOT REALLY A TERROR GROUP Posted on May 10, 2011 Amr Moussa, the longtime secretary-general of the Arab League, recently gave an interview to the Washington Post. It was published Monday. And guess what it revealed? The possible future president of the much-hailed democratic Egypt doesn’t think Hamas (the terror group) is a terror group, and does believe the nuclear “issue” in the Middle East is more about Israel than Iran. This is what democracy looks like. You can read some excerpts from the interview below: Officials in Washington are concerned about the change in Egypt’s relationship with Iran. Iran is not the natural enemy of Arabs, and it shouldn’t be. We have a lot to gain by peaceful relations — or less tense relations — with Iran. The U.S. is focused on the nuclear issue. The nuclear issue in the Middle East means Israel and then Iran. If you become president would you keep the [peace] treaty with Israel? The treaty is a treaty. For us, the treaty has been signed and it is for peace, but it depends also on the other side. . . . If you asked me what kind of relations between the Arab world and Israel I would like to see, I would say that the Arab position — of which Egypt is a party — rests on the Arab initiative of 2002. [...] Going back to U.S.–Egyptian relations, how will they change? Egypt conducted its relations in the region in a way that the people did not accept. Egyptian-Arab relations is one thing; the Palestinian question is another. . . . Blocking Gaza and enforcing the siege along Gaza — people didn’t like that. We should have insisted and used Egyptian-Israeli relations to try and undo and put an end to the siege that caused a lot of suffering to the people of Gaza. The whole world has said exactly what I am saying — that the siege has to come to an end. The old regime was not of the same view. [...] Now you have brought Hamas to Cairo. The view that Hamas is a terrorist organization is a view that pertains to a minority of countries, not a majority. Being a terrorist is not a stigma forever.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 11, 2011 0:12:52 GMT -5
oh yes a perfect society? Ha..all their parties , the majority held hostage by a minority really, the ultra orthodox, most Jews are not that observant, they know their bible, it's their history book but observancy, eeehhh... this paragraph, "Part of it, of course, is that the same Occupation which ruins the lives of our neighbors, our cousins, the Palestinians, has also rendered Israel bloated and fearful and tainted and dumbed down and callous – and thus fundamentally unable to do anything about the most enduring threat to its own future, the Occupation. says it most, I think. Could go on for pages but a lot will be happening in the next year. My fear, the mobs , Egypt, Palastine , Leboniobn, will be thinking this is our chance and start calling for war..then follows the military. Egypt even with a 30 year peace and Mubarak as a , if not ally then not a enemy, seeing eye to ey , never stopped the ant Israeli, Zionest yadda, yadda in the country so most Egyptians, feel only disdain for the Israeli' , little real contact. Good article.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 12, 2011 3:18:02 GMT -5
Middle East is starting to turn into more of a cluster F then it has ever been . The Head of Hamas who has been in Damascus with his people moving to Gaza, ok'd by the Egyptians, Ok from Assad standpoint because he feels better to control Gaza if there, and the Egyptians are getting more involved in being a player in Gaza. Syria saying to the West, US, the Saudis , to stop supporting the rebels or he will start something with Israel, arms to Jordan Palestinians, arms to Israeli Arabs to start some trouble. Israeli intelligence shake up, as old security chief , close to the Egyptian security chief, now under arrest by the Egyptians, failed to predict all that was going down and now it's back to the black board for the Israelis to figure what do they do next with all these developments. ---------------------------------------------------------------- www.debka.com/article/20920/------------------------------------------------------------------ Cairo to move Meshaal's Hamas base to Gaza. Assad threatens Israel with war DEBKAfile Exclusive Report May 11, 2011, 12:30 PM (GMT+02:00) "Egyptian military rulers promised Hamas' political leader Khaled Meshaal to let him transfer his base, command center and residence from troubled Damascus to a new haven in the Gaza Strip as an inducement for signing the Palestinian unity agreement with Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah on May 4. This is disclosed for the first time by debkafile's intelligence sources. In Damascus, Bashar Assad's close confidante Rami Makhlouf threatened that Syria would go to war against Israel in reprisal for US and Europe backing for the uprising. Makhlouf, an international business tycoon, is on the US and EU sanctions lists. In an interview with the New York Times Wednesday, May 11, he said: "If there is no stability here, there's no way there will be stability in Israel. No way, and nobody can guarantee what will happen after, God forbid, anything happens to this regime." He advised the US and Europe not to "put a lot of pressure on the president, don't push Syria to do anything it is not happy to do." The Syrian president is examining two strategic options, he said: "Going to war against Israel, and/or sending weapons shipments to the West Bank and to Israeli Arabs for use in terrorist attacks against Israel. debkafile's military sources note that Makhlouf, who is a cousin of Bashar Assad, built up his fortune from smuggling Saddam Hussein's underground fighters, weapons and funds from their havens in Syria to Iraq, as well as al Qaeda combatants and leaders to fight Americans into the wartorn country. He therefore has excellent connections with terrorist networks and is very familiar with their requirements for pursuing suicide bombing campaigns. The tycoon would not have made his remarks to the NYT without the Syrian president's nod. So they may be safely interpreted as a declaration that the Assad regime is holding Israel hostage for its survival against the groundswell of popular disaffection shaking it for more than two months. Those remarks were also addressed to Jordan, Iraq and Lebanon, the sources of weapons consignments to Syrian protesters which Damascus believes Saudi Arabia as well as the US and European nations are generating. If that influx is not stopped, therefore, the Syrian government threatens to respond in kind by secreting arms and money into the West Bank and Israeli Arab districts in order to foment an armed uprising against Israel. This step would also undermine another Western interest by menacing Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas. According to debkafile's intelligence sources, the transfer of Khaled Meshaal lock, stock and barrel, from Damascus to Gaza serves the diametrically opposite interests of the current Egyptian and Syrian rulers alike. It was agreed between them - out of totally different considerations - during several visits to the Syrian capital by the new Egyptian intelligence minister Gen. Murad Muwafi from mid-March to late April: For Cairo, the relocation of the Hamas epicenter to Gaza is pivotal to Egypt's return to an active role in the Palestinian arena, whereas Damascus sees the strengthened Hamas presence in Gaza as a key instrument for implementing Makhlouf's threats. Our sources say that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has responded to these disruptions with two discreet steps: 1. The defense ministry's political coordinator, Gen. (res.) Amos Gilad, was removed from the Israeli-Egyptian military-semen-intelligence track. The formal reason given for his exclusion was the removal from power of Hosni Mubarak's intelligence minister, Gen. Omar Suleiman, with whom Gilad developed strong personal ties. He is now under investigation and partial house arrest in Egypt. The real reason is that his evaluations and forecasts which formed the basis of Israel's security policy in recent years proved erroneous. The Israeli government must now go back to square one to chart new courses in the face of radical changes around its borders. 2. Gilad's place is taken by Prime Minister Netanyahu's personal political adviser, Yitzhak Molcho, who earlier this week was sent to Cairo for talks with the new intelligence minister, Gen. Muwafi, to explore the new ties between Egypt, Syria and Hamas and find out what Cairo was aiming for by the reshuffle of these relationships. Molcho returned to home just before Independence Day (Tuesday, May 10) with a very despondent report. The only ray of light he saw was the possibility of Syria and Egypt, each for its own reasons, leaning on Hamas to climb down on its price for setting the Israeli soldier Gilead Shalit free nearly five years after he was kidnapped on the Israeli side of the Gaza border. While Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak were putting their heads together on tactics for grappling with the explosive new situation Egypt is helping to put in place in the Gaza Strip, Makhlouf put a message from his masters up front: The real danger to Israel of a military flare-up lies in Damascus which continues to call the Palestinian shots. "
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Post by deziloooooo on May 13, 2011 15:19:27 GMT -5
This article today from al Jazeera is a really interesting look / question brought up , of the importance of Hamas having to recognize Israel before negotiations between Israel and Abbas, as the spokesman for the Palestinians , on a final peace between the parties. The borders of the two States and the other questions that will have to be answered, Jerusalem, the Palestinian presence if any, the connection of the West Bank to Gaza, Water rights , all the this and that which will be important to settle. One may disagree with the author of the article on his ideas but to me, it is something to consider and actually might be right on if parties are really interested in getting this problem solved. The real problem is at the end when the author voices what he feels will be the real happening of this problem.[sigh] -------------------------------------------------------- english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/2011512747012237.html-------------------------------------------------------- Opinion Who cares if Hamas recognizes Israel? Abba's, as head of the PLO, will be negotiating with Israel - not Hams. So why is Israel rejecting a unity government? MAJ Rosenberg Last Modified: 13 May 2011 08:17 "Mahmoud Abba's and Benjamin Nadya will lead any future negotiations - even though Israel says they will not talk with a Palestinian government that includes 'terrorist organization' Hams. The Israeli coalition government, however, also contains extremist elements. So why should Hams matter? [GALL/GETTY] The media is full of conflicting reports about whether or not Hams is ready to recognize Israel. In some reports, Hams spokesmen imply that it would. Others reports have them saying "never". This story encapsulates this contradiction in its headline: "Hams accepts 1967 borders, but will never recognize Israel, top official says". But why does it matter whether Hams recognizes Israel or not, so long as it agrees to permanently end attacks against Israel? Who needs its recognition? The issue of Hamas recognition of Israel would be valid if Israel was about to enter negotiations with it. Those negotiations would, in fact, be meaningless if Hamas ruled out recognition as an end-result of negotiations - as meaningless as if Israel ruled out withdrawing from the West Bank. But no one is proposing Israeli/Hamas negotiations. The issue now is whether Israel and/or the United States should consider dealing with a government that includes Hamas. Does the Hamas presence rule out negotiating with that government? It shouldn't, not when both Fatah and Hamas say that it will be president Mahmoud Abbas, as head of the Palestine Liberation Organisation, who will be in charge of relations with Israel. Abbas is fully committed to peace with Israel. He opposes all forms of violence. His forces have worked with Israel's to thwart "terrorism", earning the Israeli government's praise as a "partner for peace". Hamas as an excuse In fact, since the death of his predecessor, Yasir Arafat, Abbas has made the establishment of a Palestinian state at peace with Israel his number one goal. Why does it matter what Hamas thinks about negotiations when it will be the PLO that will be conducting them? All that is necessary from Hamas is that it pledge an end to violence, and keep it. Hamas' presence in the Palestinian government should no more rule out negotiations with it than the presence of Avigdor Lieberman's Yisrael Beiteinu party in Netanyahu's coalition makes negotiations with Netanyahu beyond the pale. Lieberman, after all, opposes negotiations with the Palestinians and favours "transfer", a version of ethnic cleansing, under which Palestinians would be forcibly moved to Arab lands. Unlike Hamas, which would have no role in foreign policy in the proposed unity government, Lieberman is Israel's foreign minister. But that should not matter, the same way Hamas' presence should not matter. Governments have all kinds of partners in their ruling coalitions; what matters is the policies the coalition adopts - not the views of its various components. If Netanyahu and Abbas agree to negotiate, the views of Hamas and Yisrael Beiteinu are beside the point, again with the caveat that all forms of violence are utterly and completely proscribed. That is why both Israel and the United States should drop its demand that Hamas recognise Israel in advance of negotiations. First of all, Hamas is not going to do it. The only card it has in its dealings with Israel is the recognition card and it is not going to play it in advance of negotiations. Demanding that it play it now is like demanding that Israel not freeze, but dismantle, settlements prior to negotiations. It won't happen. And it doesn't matter. Politics vs peace It appears that the Obama administration may understand this. Asked about the implications of the unity agreement, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was equivocal: There are many steps that have yet to be undertaken in order to implement the agreement. And we are going to be carefully assessing what this actually means, because there are a number of different potential meanings to it, both on paper and in practise. Congress, of course, responded the way it usually does, with an AIPAC-authored letter warning Palestinians not to unite. No one could expect anything else in the midst of the pre-2012 fundraising season. But then Congress has never given much evidence of caring whether the Israelis and Palestinians come to terms - while the White House has. Besides, it is the president who needs to worry about the implications of a deepening Israeli-Palestinian conflict on the national interest. Maybe Congress should too, but it rarely, if ever, has. Unfortunately, if past is prologue, the White House will ultimately join the Israelis in ignoring the possibility that Hamas may be ready to live in peace alongside Israel - even if it won't explicitly say so. It will do the same thing both the Bush and Obama administrations did with the unprecedented Arab League initiative which offered Israel full peace and normalisation in exchange for territorial withdrawal. It will ignore it and, with the Israelis, hope that it goes away. And it will. The point is that opportunities for peace vanish if the people who matter refuse to seize them. Had the United States expressed serious interest in the Arab Initiative - and pushed Israel hard to explore its possibilities - Israelis and Palestinians might be on their way to peace by now, rather than still languishing in deadly stalemate. Israel, in particular, needs to recognise that time is not on its side. While the Palestinians are unifying and preparing to declare a state, Israel is now more isolated than ever before in its history. With Mubarak gone, Turkey no longer friendly and the ever-cautious Assad regime on the brink, Israel needs to recognise that the best time for a deal is right now. Ignoring any peace feelers, from anyone, is just plain dumb." MJ Rosenberg is a Senior Foreign Policy Fellow at Media Matters Action Network. The above article first appeared in Foreign Policy Matters, a part of the Media Matters Action Network.
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www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/15/hamas-gaza-end-zionist-project-palestine/?test=latestnewsWorld Netanyahu Vows to Defend Israel's Borders After Troops Clash With Protesters Published May 15, 2011 | Associated Press MAJDAL SHAMS, Golan Heights – Israeli troops clashed with Arab protesters Sunday along three hostile borders, including the frontier with Syria, leaving 16 people dead and dozens more wounded in an unprecedented wave of demonstrations marking a Palestinian day of mourning for their defeat at Israel's hands in 1948. Along Israel's border with Syria, thousands of protesters stormed the fence and hundreds burst through, pelting soldiers with stones, the military said. Soldiers guarding the border opened fire to stop them. Dozens were wounded and four were reported killed. Israeli defense officials said the military had not expected protesters to try to breach the border and was caught by surprise. It was a rare incursion from the usually tightly controlled Syrian side, and Israeli officials accused Damascus of fomenting the violence in an attempt to divert attention from the deadly crackdown on protests within its borders against the rule of President Bashar Assad. "The Syrian regime is intentionally attempting to divert international attention away from the brutal crackdown of their own citizens to incite against Israel," said Lt. Col. Avital Leibovich, an Israeli military spokeswoman. Sunday's unrest -- which came after activists used Facebook and other websites to mobilize Palestinians and their supporters in neighboring countries to march on the border with Israel-- also marked the first time the protest tactics that have swept the Arab world in recent months have been directed at Israel. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he had ordered the military to act with "maximum restraint." "But nobody should be mistaken. We are determined to defend our borders and sovereignty," he added in a brief address broadcast live on Israeli TV stations. MORE.........
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 12, 2011 12:20:01 GMT -5
It seems the latest re rapprochement between Hamas and Fatah, West Bank and Gaza has hit a snag. The one to lead the coalition in peace talks, Salam Fayyad, the approach to the UN for acceptance of a Palestinian State is not acceptable to Hamas . Fatah put up their PM, Fayyad, as the leader of the coalition,. A well respected international financial non partisan of any Party who has the support of the European community, the US and that is the problem. Hamas feel it was his , Fayyad, acceptance of Israels attacks on Hamas and their leadership that disqualifies him from that role. They , Hamas leadership, are not saying this means the end of the rapprochement of the two Political parties but it throws a monkey wrench into the equation. It will be interesting to see if the youth of the two parts of the Palestinian areas, West Bank and Gaza, who insisted that Hamas and Fatah stop the infighting and get together or else, forcing this rapprochement, still have the power, clout, influence, to get the two parties to agree and stop the infighting or have they maxed out their influence and what will be is now back firmly into the leadership of the two parties The truth is , they , the leaders of the two parties, were not happy being forced by the youths insistence of cooperation. They want to have that control and they have to much animosity toward the other side to want to merge and work together, more interested in flexing their muscle and being the ones in power here, spokesman for the Palestinians, even if a split causes a weakness when they face the Israeli's, power seems to be their most important wants, rather then a settled Palestinian state, IMHO. --------------------------------------------------- english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/06/20116121134512534.html----------------------------------------------------- Middle East Hamas rejects Fayyad as unity government head Fatah's candidate accused by rival Palestinian faction of co-operating with Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip. Hamas and Fatah signed a reconciliation deal in April which was rejected by Israel [GALLO/GETTY] Hamas has opposed Fatah's nomination of Salam Fayyad for the post of prime minister in a transitional Palestinian government, exposing differences over implementing a Palestinian reconciliation deal between the rival groups. At a meeting late on Saturday, Fatah's Central Committee, the secular movement's highest decision-making body, named Fayyad, an internationally respected former World Bank economist, as its candidate for prime minister. But on Sunday, two days before talks with Fatah in Egypt on cabinet staffing were due to begin, Salah al-Bardaweel, a senior Hamas official, said: "It is certain that we will not accept Fayyad, neither as a prime minister of the unity government nor as a minister in it." Bardaweel accused Fayyad of co-operating with Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip. He said that Fayyad, as prime minister, shared responsibility for the arrest of Hamas leaders and members in the West Bank in recent years. Asked whether Hamas's rejection of Fayyad would hinder reconciliation, Bardaweel stopped short of declaring the deal dead but he cautioned against any cabinet nomination that would be seen by any side as a provocation. Internationally respected Jamal Mhesen, a Fatah Central Committee member, said Fatah wanted a prime minister who could attract international support - a leader "whose job would be to end the blockade of Gaza, not to cause a blockade in the West Bank, too". Supporters of Fayyad, an independent, say his standing abroad is an asset to the Palestinians in ensuring the continued flow of international aid and in pursuing a bid for UN statehood recognition in September. But Israel has said the reconciliation agreement signed in April is an obstacle to reviving US-sponsored peace talks with Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president and Fatah leader, whose forces lost control of the Gaza Strip to Hamas in fighting in 2007. Under the unity deal, Hamas and Fatah agreed to set up an interim government of technocrats, or ministers who are not members of any political movement, in the run-up to elections within a year. Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, called on Abbas to tear up the agreement with Hamas, which has rejected Israeli and Western demands to recognise Israel, renounce violence and accept existing interim peace deals signed by the Fatah-led Palestine Liberation Organisation in the 1990s."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2011 13:31:46 GMT -5
See, Dez.. they can't even agree amongst themselves. All Israel can do is keep fighting them off when they attack. This may never end until, God forbid, someone drops a nuke, and then the whole world will be at war.. or we will sit back and do nothing and let Holocaust II happen.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 12, 2011 14:42:55 GMT -5
See, Dez.. they can't even agree amongst themselves. All Israel can do is keep fighting them off when they attack. This may never end until, God forbid, someone drops a nuke, and then the whole world will be at war.. or we will sit back and do nothing and let Holocaust II happen. or it just shows they are going through the exact same thing all democracies do, unable for parties to agree until forced to , as if we are the paragon of virtue here recently. When it comes to a point that the sides need to settle it, then they will sit down and settle it, Palestinians and Israeli's, and also the two political parties of the Palestinians, actually the same hopefully of us too, the Pubs and Dems.., your not suggesting we are a example to these people are you. As far as Nuc's, I wouldn't worry about that here, one of them in the middle hits them all when you count the fall out, they are living on top of each other , two, it's completely over..Holocaust # 2, don't see that on the horizon either.
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deziloooooo
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 12, 2011 21:55:31 GMT -5
Just posted in debka..ominouse voices from Egyptian Government officials hitting the media circuits with some of the worst anti Israeli rhetoric in decades. There has always been a undercurrent of anti Semitic and anti Israel vitriol in Egypt but for the most part not from the government side though they did not try to stop it , and they had the power to do so. This shows Egypt seems to be tacking a new tact, Mubarak is on the block and those who are in charge are pulling out all stops to paint Israel as a threat and enemy of Egypt. It will be interesting to see US reaction to this as we are very much or where in bed with the Egyptian Military and government before all this happened. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.debka.com/article/21021/--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mon June 13, 2011Breaking NewsDEBKAfile: Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood delegation in Gaza amid Israeli spy scandal DEBKAfile Exclusive Report June 12, 2011, For the first time in the history of Cairo's relations with the Gaza Strip, the ruling military junta permitted an Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood delegation to visit the Gaza Strip and meet Palestinian Hamas leaders. Coinciding with the delegation's arrival Sunday, June 12, top Egyptian officials unleashed a wave of anti-Israeli venom in Cairo, the worst in recent years. Without warning, inflammatory stories were released to the media in quick succession: a "Mossad officer" was accused of plotting to sabotage the Egyptian revolution and "inciting sectarian violence." Israel was accused of contaminating farm products for Egyptian consumption and former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon imp.icated in the "corrupt" gas transaction ex-President Hosni Mubarak contracted with Israel. The prime movers behind this campaign of anti-Israel defamation are named by debkafile's intelligence sources as Gen. Murad Muwafi, Minister of Intelligence, and the Supreme State Security Prosecutor, Hisham Badawi. Putting the charges in the hands of the State Security Prosecutor is tantamount to labeling Israel a danger to Egyptian national security. The third figure is Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil Alarabi. He soon takes office as Secretary General of the Arab League and has made no secret of the radical anti-Israel policies he plans introduce. Israeli leaders were thunderstruck by these machinations. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and nine members of his government were out of the country. Sunday, they began an exceptionally friendly three-day visit to Italy. A joint session with the Berlusconi government awaits them with other notable events. Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman is in Rome with the party, while Defense Minister Ehud Barak has gone to Beijing for another try to bring China aboard the international effort for keeping a nuclear bomb out of Iranian hands. The Egyptian trio orchestrating the anti-Israel drive apparently used their absence to their poison without fear of an official response from Jerusalem. It was carefully synchronized: The arrival of the Muslim Brotherhood delegation to Gaza, headed by two Shura Council members Saad Hussaini and Mohsein Farouk, coincided with Cairo's arrest of an Israeli "Mossad officer." The statement by the Supreme State Prosecutor's office alleged that the Israeli spy – who was variously named as Aviran Green, Ilan Green and, later, on an Egyptian website, Ilan Haim Gavriel - entered Egypt after the uprising began on Jan. 25 posing as a foreign correspondent come to cover the anti-regime demonstrations in al-Tahrir Square. His real undercover mission, said the Egyptian statement, was to foment strife between Copts and Muslims and sabotage the revolution. In today's Cairo, there can be no more heinous allegation than turning the clock back to pre-revolution days by inciting chaos and sectarian strife. It amounts to charging Israel's external security agency with fomenting anti-revolutionary anarchy. Responsibility is also fastened on the Jewish state for the Muslim Brothers' May 9 attack on the Copt community of Cairo and its church and the death of 9 Copts. Shortly after the "discovery" of an "Israeli spy," Egyptian authorities accused Israel of trying to poison the population by secretly contaminating tomato seeds and plants produced by a Cypriot farm and sold to Egypt. Finally, the prosecutor declared he had proof that the contract for the supply of Egyptian gas to Israel, now being held up as the quintessence of the Mubarak family's corruption, was put together by the former president and the former prime minister in person when they agreed how to divide their ill-gotten spoils."
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NoMoreLunacy
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 12, 2011 22:25:55 GMT -5
We need to cut all foreign aid, including that to Israel. We can simply not afford it any more. There are huge budget deficits.
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