Chris Christie's Town Hall

[chiver78]

is anyone else watching? curious what the rest of y'all think. I thought he sounded pretty sane at the beginning... 

[jerseygirl]

Didn’t know it was on
Liked Christie cause he actually did something about the ridiculously high NJ property taxes. Towns are limited to an increase of 2% unless the town goes through some pretty stringent rationales
He’s a loudmouth but I’m fine with that

[swamp]

I’m not watching it, but I have a soft spot for Christie.  He’s a dick but he owns it. 

[laterbloomer]

I'm watching parts of it. Based on this I would vote for him. He's doing the best Trump critique I have seen of a politician including Hilary and Joe. I think he gives the slightly right of centre an option. He also seems to have his own platform on real issues.

[chiver78]

Jun 12, 2023 20:17:57 GMT -5 swamp said:

I’m not watching it, but I have a soft spot for Christie.  He’s a dick but he owns it. 

yeah, that's what I'm seeing here. I vehemently disagree with a lot of what he's saying about his own platform and goals, but I like the attitude. 

[happyhoix]

Jun 12, 2023 20:21:19 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

I'm watching parts of it. Based on this I would vote for him. He's doing the best Trump critique I have seen of a politician including Hilary and Joe. I think he gives the slightly right of centre an option. He also seems to have his own platform on real issues.

Just the fact that he has a platform and it doesn’t include smiting everyone is refreshing and shockingly adult.

[laterbloomer]

He also did a good criticism of Joe.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 12, 2023 20:21:19 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

I'm watching parts of it. Based on this I would vote for him. He's doing the best Trump critique I have seen of a politician including Hilary and Joe. I think he gives the slightly right of centre an option. He also seems to have his own platform on real issues.

he is an actual politician.  but he is also not above knee capping.

there are things to like about him, and things to dislike.

is he better than Trump?  a broken waffle iron is better than Trump.

is he better than Biden?  not for me.  but probably for more than a few people.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 12, 2023 20:37:29 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

He also did a good criticism of Joe.

what did he say?

[laterbloomer]

Jun 13, 2023 0:45:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 12, 2023 20:37:29 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

He also did a good criticism of Joe.

what did he say?

Basically that Biden promised to bring both sides together then went far left after being elected. I don't agree with him but I can see how Conservatives would. And he needs to appeal to them if we are going to get anywhere. He also made digs about age, repeating several times that he is 60.

[pulmonarymd]

Christie may be 60, but how old is he on the inside. Biden can ride a bike, can Christie? We focus on age when we should focus on other things. Based on what I see from Trump, I doubt he is healthier than Biden. Haven't seen enough of Christie to know, but he is likely older than 60 from a physiologic standpoint

[saveinla]

Wasn't he the one who helped prep Trump for his debates? I dont think he can just go back and say he was wrong - he knew what he was doing and who Trump was.

[happyhoix]

Jun 13, 2023 11:45:57 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 13, 2023 0:45:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

what did he say?

Basically that Biden promised to bring both sides together then went far left after being elected. I don't agree with him but I can see how Conservatives would. And he needs to appeal to them if we are going to get anywhere. He also made digs about age, repeating several times that he is 60.

He also made the comment that Biden had the worst two first years of any President he has known, as far as getting things done.

I would argue with the GOP burdened with people like Greene and Gaetz who would rather burn the place down than work with a democrat it’s not entirely Biden’s fault Congress is stagnant.

[laterbloomer]

Jun 13, 2023 12:45:58 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 13, 2023 11:45:57 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Basically that Biden promised to bring both sides together then went far left after being elected. I don't agree with him but I can see how Conservatives would. And he needs to appeal to them if we are going to get anywhere. He also made digs about age, repeating several times that he is 60.

He also made the comment that Biden had the worst two first years of any President he has known, as far as getting things done.

I would argue with the GOP burdened with people like Greene and Gaetz who would rather burn the place down than work with a democrat it’s not entirely Biden’s fault Congress is stagnant.

I totally agree. I don't necessarily want him elected but it would be great if he could unseat Trump as the nominee.

[laterbloomer]

Jun 13, 2023 12:22:13 GMT -5 saveinla said:

Wasn't he the one who helped prep Trump for his debates? I dont think he can just go back and say he was wrong - he knew what he was doing and who Trump was.

I think that gives him some credibility to the people we need to listen to him. And changing his mind puts him miles ahead of other Republican candidates.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 13, 2023 11:45:57 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 13, 2023 0:45:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

what did he say?

Basically that Biden promised to bring both sides together then went far left after being elected. I don't agree with him but I can see how Conservatives would. And he needs to appeal to them if we are going to get anywhere. He also made digs about age, repeating several times that he is 60.

i can see the age part.

we should look at actuarials on Christie, though.  the man is morbidly obese.  he is at extreme risk for heart disease, at a minimum.  

i think it is great that Biden ran center and governs left.  but i am not sure that doesn't mean he can bring sides together (this recent showdown over the debt ceiling is the perfect example).  and i don't think he is extreme at all.  i would describe him as CENTER LEFT.  he is no Sanders.  he is no Warren. 

the further you get from that position, the less likely you are to assess it property.  Christie is pretty far from that position.  but he is no Nazi.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 13, 2023 12:45:58 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 13, 2023 11:45:57 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Basically that Biden promised to bring both sides together then went far left after being elected. I don't agree with him but I can see how Conservatives would. And he needs to appeal to them if we are going to get anywhere. He also made digs about age, repeating several times that he is 60.

He also made the comment that Biden had the worst two first years of any President he has known, as far as getting things done.

I would argue with the GOP burdened with people like Greene and Gaetz who would rather burn the place down than work with a democrat it’s not entirely Biden’s fault Congress is stagnant.

it's also completely false.  he got far more done than Trump.  FAR MORE.  he might have achieved more than Obama.  that is arguable.  more than Bush in his second term.  i think he is at least average in terms of accomplishments, and perhaps quite a bit better than that.  it is for historians to decide, imo.  not Christie's.  he can't be expected to acknowledge how well Biden has done, however.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 13, 2023 12:03:05 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Christie may be 60, but how old is he on the inside. Biden can ride a bike, can Christie? We focus on age when we should focus on other things. Based on what I see from Trump, I doubt he is healthier than Biden. Haven't seen enough of Christie to know, but he is likely older than 60 from a physiologic standpoint

he's not.  this has been analyzed by health experts.

Biden is expected to outlive Trump.  he might outlive Christie, as well.  but probably not.

[laterbloomer]

Jun 13, 2023 14:04:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 13, 2023 11:45:57 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Basically that Biden promised to bring both sides together then went far left after being elected. I don't agree with him but I can see how Conservatives would. And he needs to appeal to them if we are going to get anywhere. He also made digs about age, repeating several times that he is 60.

i can see the age part.

we should look at actuarials on Christie, though.  the man is morbidly obese.  he is at extreme risk for heart disease, at a minimum.  

i think it is great that Biden ran center and governs left.  but i am not sure that doesn't mean he can bring sides together (this recent showdown over the debt ceiling is the perfect example).  and i don't think he is extreme at all.  i would describe him as CENTER LEFT.  he is no Sanders.  he is no Warren. 

the further you get from that position, the less likely you are to assess it property.  Christie is pretty far from that position.  but he is no Nazi.

Let's not talk about that stuff yet. First beat Trump to be the candidate. 

[djAdvocate]

Jun 13, 2023 14:16:05 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 13, 2023 14:04:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i can see the age part.

we should look at actuarials on Christie, though.  the man is morbidly obese.  he is at extreme risk for heart disease, at a minimum.  

i think it is great that Biden ran center and governs left.  but i am not sure that doesn't mean he can bring sides together (this recent showdown over the debt ceiling is the perfect example).  and i don't think he is extreme at all.  i would describe him as CENTER LEFT.  he is no Sanders.  he is no Warren. 

the further you get from that position, the less likely you are to assess it property.  Christie is pretty far from that position.  but he is no Nazi.

Let's not talk about that stuff yet. First beat Trump to be the candidate. 

i guess.  i am still hoping Trump is either ineligible to run, or in jail.

[Opti]

Jun 13, 2023 12:22:13 GMT -5 saveinla said:

Wasn't he the one who helped prep Trump for his debates? I dont think he can just go back and say he was wrong - he knew what he was doing and who Trump was.

Yes and that's why I think he is more a politician than someone with real values and a real compass. People may disagree with Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren or Mitt Romney, but all three are willing to be unpopular at times and stick to their values. Christie has become a master of not saying things and phrasing stuff like a PR person. He's willing to lie too, from what I can tell, to get where he wants to go.

Now whether the lying things started in too close proximity to Trump, IDK. but I do think he is less admirable now that when he was NJ's governor. Its not quite as bad as Rudy G., but ... prepping Trump for the 2020 elections? If you think you side "wins" if Trump gets elected in 2020 over Biden, I'm not entirely sure I am willing to call you a patriotic American.

MO. YMMV.