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Post by Opti on Apr 9, 2024 2:02:12 GMT -5
![](https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/facepalm.gif) The Orange. The Orange. Its a spoof account. This is why I don't do sarcasm or spin any wild stories about him and his circle. They don't seem to get or understand sarcasm or satire. Trump obviously loved the idea of him being able to eclipse the sun and lots of people cheering him on in excitement. That's why he posted it. twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/photo
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Of course, The Stephen Colbert show last night ran with a more accurate version of trump's eclipse ad:
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Post by tbop77 on Apr 9, 2024 10:54:20 GMT -5
The South Carolina senator used social media to say he “respectfully” disagreed with Trump and intended to keep pursuing a federal abortion ban at the federal level — a ban, it’s worth noting, that Trump did not say he’d reject if it were passed by a Republican-led Congress. Within hours of Graham’s mild pushback, Trump used his own platform to effectively call Graham a warmonger who should focus his attention elsewhere. A minute later, the former president published another item, insisting that the senator was “doing a great disservice to the Republican Party” by focusing attention on an issue that’s caused “many Good Republicans” to lose.” A minute after that, Trump slammed Graham once more. A few hours later, the former president decided to keep going, publishing an item characterizing Graham as unreasonable, another item suggesting the senator doesn’t understand the 10th Amendment, and another item that concluded, “I blame myself for Lindsey Graham, because the only reason he won in the Great State of South Carolina is because I Endorsed him!” www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/maddow-blog-why-trump-s-furious-offensive-against-lindsey-graham-matters/ar-BB1lkj1Q?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=f15c3ebe371f441ca54f33fa2351d59a&ei=14I guess Graham better go kiss the ring.
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The Memo: Trump bets anti-abortion evangelicals have no choice but to back himFormer President Trump tried to thread the needle on abortion on Monday — with apparently limited success. But Trump, for once, appears to be playing a longer game with an eye on November’s election. He appears willing to take short-term pain, in the shape of criticism from anti-abortion voices, in the hope that his position will pay off with more moderate voters seven months from now. Trump distanced himself from any suggestion of a national abortion ban in his Monday video statement, instead asserting that the issue should be left to the states. “This is all about the will of the people,” Trump said. At the same time, the former president congratulated himself on being “responsible” for the Supreme Court striking down Roe v. Wade in June 2022 — a decision that stripped away the constitutional right to abortion that had existed since 1973. Trump laid the groundwork for the Dobbs decision that overturned Roe by nominating three conservative Supreme Court justices during his one term. His failure to come out in favor of a national abortion ban drew fire from some anti-abortion groups and from his former vice president, Mike Pence — as well as from elected officials, including Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). Pence called the move a “slap in the face” to those “pro-life Americans” who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020. Graham said he “respectfully” disagreed with Trump’s position, arguing instead for a 15-week ban. Trump shot back that Graham was “doing a great disservice to the Republican Party and to our Country.” Meanwhile, the anti-abortion Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America group said it was “deeply disappointed” by Trump’s stance and that the decision to leave individual states to decide the matter “cedes the national debate to the Democrats.” In the bigger electoral picture, however, Trump is willing to weather some turbulence from the right now to preserve his electability in November’s general election. Rest of article here: The Memo: Trump bets anti-abortion evangelicals have no choice but to back him
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Apr 9, 2024 21:20:35 GMT -5
How can Biden keep ignoring SCOTUS since they have already ruled on the student loan forgiveness has him not having the authority to do so? It's so obvious that he is buying votes. When will SCOTUS clamp down on Biden and have the DOJ arrest him?
If I had a $50k student loan and it was forgiven of course I'd vote for him. Do the students have to register for the forgiveness? Is there a box they check if they are a Democrat or Republican?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 9, 2024 21:24:12 GMT -5
How can Biden keep ignoring SCOTUS since they have already ruled on the student loan forgiveness has him not having the authority to do so? It's so obvious that he is buying votes. When will SCOTUS clamp down on Biden and have the DOJ arrest him?
If I had a $50k student loan and it was forgiven of course I'd vote for him. Do the students have to register for the forgiveness? Is there a box they check if they are a Democrat or Republican?
Poor Rip. Bless your heart.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 9, 2024 21:24:17 GMT -5
Do you have the same concerns about Trump ignoring court orders. Or is it only when a democrat does it?
Arrest Biden? I thought presidents had immunity. Or did you change your opinion on all of Trump’s legal problems are legitimate?
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 9, 2024 22:31:29 GMT -5
If I had a $50k student loan and it was forgiven of course I'd vote for him. Do the students have to register for the forgiveness? Is there a box they check if they are a Democrat or Republican? What are you rambling about? The new debt forgiveness proposal? Have you even read what it entails and the limitations? Obviously not if you're asking those questions.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Apr 9, 2024 22:35:09 GMT -5
Do you have the same concerns about Trump ignoring court orders. Or is it only when a democrat does it? Arrest Biden? I thought presidents had immunity. Or did you change your opinion on all of Trump’s legal problems are legitimate? You're right. I should have said fined. Contempt of court fine? A cease and desist order? Trump is ignoring the gag order because it violates his 1st amendment rights.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Apr 9, 2024 22:39:01 GMT -5
If I had a $50k student loan and it was forgiven of course I'd vote for him. Do the students have to register for the forgiveness? Is there a box they check if they are a Democrat or Republican? What are you rambling about? The new debt forgiveness proposal? Have you even read what it entails and the limitations? Obviously not if you're asking those questions.
New or old debt forgiveness plan. SCOTUS said he could not do it. I hope the loans the program has forgiven eventually have to be paid back.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 10, 2024 5:34:44 GMT -5
Do you have the same concerns about Trump ignoring court orders. Or is it only when a democrat does it? Arrest Biden? I thought presidents had immunity. Or did you change your opinion on all of Trump’s legal problems are legitimate? You're right. I should have said fined. Contempt of court fine? A cease and desist order? Trump is ignoring the gag order because it violates his 1st amendment rights. Still wrong. What Biden is doing is an official presidential act. You just don’t like it. He is immune from prosecution, fines, etc as a result. The proper response, SS Trumps lawyers have tried to argue repeatedly, is impeachment. So, do you believe this is worth impeaching him for. Try reading the constitution Trump is in court because what he did were not official acts. The most current case in NY occurred BEFORE the election. The NY tax case was related to his PRIVATE business. No private citizen is allowed to keep confidential records in his private home, despite Trump’s claim to the contrary. And you are not allowed to incite an insurrection, despite Trump’s claim to the contrary
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How can Biden keep ignoring SCOTUS since they have already ruled on the student loan forgiveness has him not having the authority to do so? It's so obvious that he is buying votes. When will SCOTUS clamp down on Biden and have the DOJ arrest him?
If I had a $50k student loan and it was forgiven of course I'd vote for him. Do the students have to register for the forgiveness? Is there a box they check if they are a Democrat or Republican?
Did you feel the same way when Trump was handing out money to farmers? It's so obvious that he was buying votes. If I was handed Trump money of course I'd vote for him. Was there a place on the form they completed to check if they were Dem or Rep? " 'Trump money' is what we call it," Henry said. "It helped a lot. And it's my understanding, they're going to do it again." Indeed, a few weeks later, the USDA announced another $16 billion in trade-related aid to farmers. It came on top of the previous year's $12 billion package, for a grand total of $28 billion in two years. About $19 billion of that money had been paid out by the end of 2019, and the rest will be paid in 2020. www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/31/790261705/farmers-got-billions-from-taxpayers-in-2019-and-hardly-anyone-objected
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How can Biden keep ignoring SCOTUS since they have already ruled on the student loan forgiveness has him not having the authority to do so? It's so obvious that he is buying votes. When will SCOTUS clamp down on Biden and have the DOJ arrest him?
If I had a $50k student loan and it was forgiven of course I'd vote for him. Do the students have to register for the forgiveness? Is there a box they check if they are a Democrat or Republican?
Did you feel the same way when Trump was handing out money to farmers? It's so obvious that he was buying votes. If I was handed Trump money of course I'd vote for him. Was there a place on the form they completed to check if they were Dem or Rep? " 'Trump money' is what we call it," Henry said. "It helped a lot. And it's my understanding, they're going to do it again." Indeed, a few weeks later, the USDA announced another $16 billion in trade-related aid to farmers. It came on top of the previous year's $12 billion package, for a grand total of $28 billion in two years. About $19 billion of that money had been paid out by the end of 2019, and the rest will be paid in 2020. www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/31/790261705/farmers-got-billions-from-taxpayers-in-2019-and-hardly-anyone-objectedYou need to remember that it is only a problem when Democrats do it. It is OK if you are a republican, because.... reasons.
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Post by Opti on Apr 10, 2024 10:08:45 GMT -5
Do you have the same concerns about Trump ignoring court orders. Or is it only when a democrat does it? Arrest Biden? I thought presidents had immunity. Or did you change your opinion on all of Trump’s legal problems are legitimate? You're right. I should have said fined. Contempt of court fine? A cease and desist order? Trump is ignoring the gag order because it violates his 1st amendment rights. I don't think there are first amendment rights for talking smack about the judge's children. Gag orders are common and are usually limited to talking about that case and the participants. A regular thing which of course Trump wants to ignore because he needs to beat his victim chest and give his minions targets to harass. Would you be so gung ho on his right to talk smack about people if you and your family were targets?
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You're right. I should have said fined. Contempt of court fine? A cease and desist order? Trump is ignoring the gag order because it violates his 1st amendment rights. I don't think there are first amendment rights for talking smack about the judge's children. Gag orders are common and are usually limited to talking about that case and the participants. A regular thing which of course Trump wants to ignore because he needs to beat his victim chest and give his minions targets to harass. Would you be so gung ho on his right to talk smack about people if you and your family were targets?And he would be such an easy target considering his stance on "illegals" and the fact that Rip's DIL* once was one of them... For the record, I have nothing, zip, zilch against Rip's DIL but the double standard runs deep in the man.
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How can Biden keep ignoring SCOTUS since they have already ruled on the student loan forgiveness has him not having the authority to do so? It's so obvious that he is buying votes. When will SCOTUS clamp down on Biden and have the DOJ arrest him?
If I had a $50k student loan and it was forgiven of course I'd vote for him. Do the students have to register for the forgiveness? Is there a box they check if they are a Democrat or Republican?
When the original Student Loan Forgiveness was in play, I asked by Sister if her DH realized that her Parent Plus Loan and her DS's student Loans would be forgiven if the SL Forgiveness went through. She said, Idk, but I am hoping it goes through. There is not any student loan forgiveness in play that I believe will help my family. DH and I earn too much money, and I think my kids would have their loans paid off before they get to 20 years, so I am not waiting for possible forgiveness. My DS's GF should get some forgiveness eventually...She is a School Counselor...but that forgiveness has always been written into the law. The forgiveness is not predicated on who you vote for. Only Trump and his voters have that kind of Fascist mindset. Seems kind of Unamerican to me.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 10, 2024 11:55:54 GMT -5
You're right. I should have said fined. Contempt of court fine? A cease and desist order? Trump is ignoring the gag order because it violates his 1st amendment rights. I don't think there are first amendment rights for talking smack about the judge's children. Gag orders are common and are usually limited to talking about that case and the participants. A regular thing which of course Trump wants to ignore because he needs to beat his victim chest and give his minions targets to harass. Would you be so gung ho on his right to talk smack about people if you and your family were targets? You might want to dumb down your reply to Rip so he can understand it. His ability to think things through is about that of a three year old.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 10, 2024 12:42:36 GMT -5
How can Biden keep ignoring SCOTUS since they have already ruled on the student loan forgiveness has him not having the authority to do so? It's so obvious that he is buying votes. When will SCOTUS clamp down on Biden and have the DOJ arrest him?
If I had a $50k student loan and it was forgiven of course I'd vote for him. Do the students have to register for the forgiveness? Is there a box they check if they are a Democrat or Republican?
When the original Student Loan Forgiveness was in play, I asked by Sister if her DH realized that her Parent Plus Loan and her DS's student Loans would be forgiven if the SL Forgiveness went through. She said, Idk, but I am hoping it goes through. There is not any student loan forgiveness in play that I believe will help my family. DH and I earn too much money, and I think my kids would have their loans paid off before they get to 20 years, so I am not waiting for possible forgiveness. My DS's GF should get some forgiveness eventually...She is a School Counselor...but that forgiveness has always been written into the law. The forgiveness is not predicated on who you vote for. Only Trump and his voters have that kind of Fascist mindset. Seems kind of Unamerican to me. The original one that got shot down was a sweeping 10K/each no matter what. 20K for Pell eligible. This new one is a lot more targetted. There are a few groups, but one of them I remember is people who have been paying at least 20 years that still owe more than they originally borrowed. I mean, HTH could people like RIP have issues with that?
When is MTG going to pay that 185K of PPP loan back. Did she check the "Republican" box when she applied?
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What are you rambling about? The new debt forgiveness proposal? Have you even read what it entails and the limitations? Obviously not if you're asking those questions.
New or old debt forgiveness plan. SCOTUS said he could not do it. I hope the loans the program has forgiven eventually have to be paid back. Rip - I had the same question because I have not gotten into the details of this one. Here is the most concise explanation: Short excerpt from www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/student-loan-forgiveness-new-biden-plan-30-million-who-qualifies-cbs-news-explains/The previous plan relied on the Health and Economic Recovery Omnibus Emergency Solutions Act, or HEROES Act, a pandemic-era stimulus package. The Supreme Court ruled that law didn't provide the Biden administration with the authority to forgive student debt. The new plan turns to an older law, the Higher Education Act, which allows the Secretary of Education to "compromise, waive or release" federal student loans. It's through this mechanism that the Biden administration is tackling its new debt relief program.
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New or old debt forgiveness plan. SCOTUS said he could not do it. I hope the loans the program has forgiven eventually have to be paid back. Rip - I had the same question because I have not gotten into the details of this one. Here is the most concise explanation: Short excerpt from www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/student-loan-forgiveness-new-biden-plan-30-million-who-qualifies-cbs-news-explains/The previous plan relied on the Health and Economic Recovery Omnibus Emergency Solutions Act, or HEROES Act, a pandemic-era stimulus package. The Supreme Court ruled that law didn't provide the Biden administration with the authority to forgive student debt. The new plan turns to an older law, the Higher Education Act, which allows the Secretary of Education to "compromise, waive or release" federal student loans. It's through this mechanism that the Biden administration is tackling its new debt relief program. That's a good article and explains it well. But I still think the American taxpayer should not have to pay for someone's college degree. Especially if they picked a degree in a field that did not pay enough to pay off their useless degrees like left handed underwater Basket weaving, Theater arts, Fine Arts, Psychology, Music etc. When I was younger I had a few friends that got degrees and never put them to use. One friend was a professional student for about 20yrs. Always getting student loans. Got his Masters degree in something, worked for a few yrs in his field and then just became a logger. Said he didn't like the office work. He liked the outdoors. These are the types of people who got loans who Biden wants to pay off with my tax dollars. I don't know the figures but if 75% of the population did not go to college why should they pay for someone's else's loan? What's next? Biden paying off home loans?
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Rip - I had the same question because I have not gotten into the details of this one. Here is the most concise explanation: Short excerpt from www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/student-loan-forgiveness-new-biden-plan-30-million-who-qualifies-cbs-news-explains/The previous plan relied on the Health and Economic Recovery Omnibus Emergency Solutions Act, or HEROES Act, a pandemic-era stimulus package. The Supreme Court ruled that law didn't provide the Biden administration with the authority to forgive student debt. The new plan turns to an older law, the Higher Education Act, which allows the Secretary of Education to "compromise, waive or release" federal student loans. It's through this mechanism that the Biden administration is tackling its new debt relief program. That's a good article and explains it well. But I still think the American taxpayer should not have to pay for someone's college degree. Especially if they picked a degree in a field that did not pay enough to pay off their useless degrees like left handed underwater Basket weaving, Theater arts, Fine Arts, Psychology, Music etc. When I was younger I had a few friends that got degrees and never put them to use. One friend was a professional student for about 20yrs. Always getting student loans. Got his Masters degree in something, worked for a few yrs in his field and then just became a logger. Said he didn't like the office work. He liked the outdoors. These are the types of people who got loans who Biden wants to pay off with my tax dollars. I don't know the figures but if 75% of the population did not go to college why should they pay for someone's else's loan? What's next? Biden paying off home loans?
The loans being forgiven are like ‘they have been paying more than 20 years’ or ‘they took loans to go to a scam school - like Trump university’. It isn’t for people who graduated from UCLA last year with an underwater basket weaving degree.
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Rip - I had the same question because I have not gotten into the details of this one. Here is the most concise explanation: Short excerpt from www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/student-loan-forgiveness-new-biden-plan-30-million-who-qualifies-cbs-news-explains/The previous plan relied on the Health and Economic Recovery Omnibus Emergency Solutions Act, or HEROES Act, a pandemic-era stimulus package. The Supreme Court ruled that law didn't provide the Biden administration with the authority to forgive student debt. The new plan turns to an older law, the Higher Education Act, which allows the Secretary of Education to "compromise, waive or release" federal student loans. It's through this mechanism that the Biden administration is tackling its new debt relief program. That's a good article and explains it well. But I still think the American taxpayer should not have to pay for someone's college degree. Especially if they picked a degree in a field that did not pay enough to pay off their useless degrees like left handed underwater Basket weaving, Theater arts, Fine Arts, Psychology, Music etc. When I was younger I had a few friends that got degrees and never put them to use. One friend was a professional student for about 20yrs. Always getting student loans. Got his Masters degree in something, worked for a few yrs in his field and then just became a logger. Said he didn't like the office work. He liked the outdoors. These are the types of people who got loans who Biden wants to pay off with my tax dollars. I don't know the figures but if 75% of the population did not go to college why should they pay for someone's else's loan? What's next? Biden paying off home loans?
Not paying off home loans, but Biden has directed Oprah Winfrey to help spend your tax dollars on non-deserving Americans and "illegal" aliens.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 11, 2024 10:47:58 GMT -5
Rip - I had the same question because I have not gotten into the details of this one. Here is the most concise explanation: Short excerpt from www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/student-loan-forgiveness-new-biden-plan-30-million-who-qualifies-cbs-news-explains/The previous plan relied on the Health and Economic Recovery Omnibus Emergency Solutions Act, or HEROES Act, a pandemic-era stimulus package. The Supreme Court ruled that law didn't provide the Biden administration with the authority to forgive student debt. The new plan turns to an older law, the Higher Education Act, which allows the Secretary of Education to "compromise, waive or release" federal student loans. It's through this mechanism that the Biden administration is tackling its new debt relief program. That's a good article and explains it well. But I still think the American taxpayer should not have to pay for someone's college degree. Especially if they picked a degree in a field that did not pay enough to pay off their useless degrees like left handed underwater Basket weaving, Theater arts, Fine Arts, Psychology, Music etc. When I was younger I had a few friends that got degrees and never put them to use. One friend was a professional student for about 20yrs. Always getting student loans. Got his Masters degree in something, worked for a few yrs in his field and then just became a logger. Said he didn't like the office work. He liked the outdoors. These are the types of people who got loans who Biden wants to pay off with my tax dollars. I don't know the figures but if 75% of the population did not go to college why should they pay for someone's else's loan? What's next? Biden paying off home loans?
What really needs to be addressed is the cost of college and how the financial aid system is set up. It's nice to see that some states are doing something about it, but there is still so much more we could do. My son is graduating next month and will have no loans, but only because he got a ton of federal and state grants (a lot more than a 10K student loan forgiveness). Meanwhile his room mates whose parents made more money are having to take out loans. How is that fair? We would think it was nuts if we went to a car dealership and they wanted our family income before deciding how much to charge us. Lots of parents regardless of income aren't helping their kids with college, and certainly not to the extent the calculators say they should.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 11, 2024 14:26:07 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 11, 2024 16:07:39 GMT -5
I also posted the below on the trump lawsuit thread. The reply to an article defines trump. Saw this reply to an article titled 'Trump demands 'no more funding' after NPR scandal: 'Not one dollar!'' Very well said. Edmund Burke: As Trump rails against the media, his indictments, Mike Pence, the Jan. 6th committee, the Rule of Law, and so many others. I realized that it’s not these individuals and organizations he is whining about, it’s what they all have in common. That commonality is that they all have the power to hold Mr. Trump accountable. It’s accountability that has him screaming into his bath towel in the morning and crying in front of his mirror at night. He’s never had that in his life before and it scares him to death. He’s always been able to hide his moral indiscretions in the past by covering his sexual immorality with hush money. He’s tried to avoid having to confess and repent by having people sign Non-Disclosure Agreements. Mr. Trump’s boogie man is accountability. Accountability is Mr. Trump’s Kryptonite.Donald Trump’s worst nightmare became real when he won the election and stepped into the most accountable political position in the world. As darkness cannot exist in the light, Mr. Trump cannot exist in the presence of the truth, and accountability is coming.Trump demands 'no more funding' after NPR scandal: 'Not one dollar!'
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 12, 2024 10:41:42 GMT -5
Of course, The Stephen Colbert show last night ran with a more accurate version of trump's eclipse ad: ![](https://i.imgur.com/QJ0jn9V.jpg)
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 12, 2024 12:54:48 GMT -5
Rip - I had the same question because I have not gotten into the details of this one. Here is the most concise explanation: Short excerpt from www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/student-loan-forgiveness-new-biden-plan-30-million-who-qualifies-cbs-news-explains/The previous plan relied on the Health and Economic Recovery Omnibus Emergency Solutions Act, or HEROES Act, a pandemic-era stimulus package. The Supreme Court ruled that law didn't provide the Biden administration with the authority to forgive student debt. The new plan turns to an older law, the Higher Education Act, which allows the Secretary of Education to "compromise, waive or release" federal student loans. It's through this mechanism that the Biden administration is tackling its new debt relief program. That's a good article and explains it well. But I still think the American taxpayer should not have to pay for someone's college degree.
why not? seriously. the discussion often focuses on the "unfairness" of paying for student DEBT, but why should we NOT pay for a college education for EVERY American? lots of countries do it, and they seem perfectly fine with it. after all, an educated workforce is in the public interest. why should we NOT pay for college degrees for every citizen?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 12, 2024 12:57:49 GMT -5
If I had a $50k student loan and it was forgiven of course I'd vote for him.
if you had a $50k college debt, you were probably voting for Biden ANYWAY, regardless of whether it was forgiven. let me know if you don't understand that point. i will explain it.
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