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Post by Opti on Mar 26, 2022 9:52:22 GMT -5
A happy story for a change of pace. www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/ukraine-family-describes-harrowing-escape-from-country-to-queens/ar-AAVvWdD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c883a417e91d4f03a81b85178cb284caA family from Ukraine described their harrowing journey out of the country after arriving in New York City.
The Rodomon family had happy lives in their home in Yavorif in western Ukraine. They had family nearby and they raised their children in freedom and peace, until it all came crashing down around them.
The family was able to come to the U.S. because Rodomon's mother-in-law lives in Far Rockaway, Queens. But they had just one suitcase among them.
That's when Father Jim Cunningham at St. Francis de Sales Church stepped in to help.
He heard about the family and asked his congregation for assistance.
He knew, and so the donations came pouring in, including toys, money, and clothes. The donations filled the church rectory.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 26, 2022 10:14:58 GMT -5
While I thought it likely was not something overtly racist, it’s a bit comical and somewhat ominous that you seem so shocked and outraged that anyone might consider that there could have been some racial component as to when the significance of a world war was thought to begin. You could have inquired into people’s thoughts, yet instead you worded your reply as a deliberate, strong, conversation killer. How dared any one question the sanctity that is the start of the world war. Why the hell not? Why not explore it? Because the idea is ridiculously at odds with the facts? Nah, that couldn't be it, right? Again, whether you think something is true or not true, whether it is a fact or not fact, isn’t the point of my response to you in the slightest. You are attempting to shut down even the suggestion that there may have been some white people bias in determining when the war became a world war. There are so many different ways to continue the line of conversation where everyone might learn something rather than just ridiculing those who are wondering if it may have been a factor.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 26, 2022 11:01:46 GMT -5
Because the idea is ridiculously at odds with the facts? Nah, that couldn't be it, right? My recollection is that neither WWI nor WWII were officially designated ... (post 500) How, or maybe by whom, was this naming designated officially? Is it the same person or entity that is empowered to designate officially the start dates? I am not knowledgeable of what person or organization has that official power and by what means that power is granted. I thank you in advance for providing me with that information. You can take this or not as definitive. Given that the writer is/was Senior Archivist at the National Archives I would guess it to be accurate, although I was not able to verify the documentation. text-message.blogs.archives.gov/2014/09/22/how-and-when-did-world-war-ii-officially-become-world-war-ii/
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 26, 2022 11:23:44 GMT -5
My recollection is that neither WWI nor WWII were officially designated ... (post 500) How, or maybe by whom, was this naming designated officially? Is it the same person or entity that is empowered to designate officially the start dates? I am not knowledgeable of what person or organization has that official power and by what means that power is granted. I thank you in advance for providing me with that information. You can take this or not as definitive. Given that the writer is/was Senior Archivist at the National Archives I would guess it to be accurate, although I was not able to verify the documentation. text-message.blogs.archives.gov/2014/09/22/how-and-when-did-world-war-ii-officially-become-world-war-ii/President Wilson, under date of July 31, 1919, addressed a letter to Secretary of War Baker which read, in part, as follows:
It is hard to find a satisfactory ‘official’ name for the war, but the best, I think, that has been suggested is ‘The World War’, and I hope that your judgment will concur. (From the link) I find the punctuation Wilson used significant in regards to what official actually means. However, I was questioning the start date that was being used here on this thread. Here is the start date of WWII your link offers: Official Designation of the Present War
The war in which the United States has been engaged since 8 December 1941 will hereafter be designated in all official communications and publications as ‘World War II.’”
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 26, 2022 11:25:26 GMT -5
so some questions I have developed in the last 12 or so hours...
is there a definition of a world war? How many countries, how many continents, how many factions, etc.
what do Japanese and Chinese history books identify as the start of the "world war"? African histories? Russia? South American? Is there an agreed upon date or does it vary? How is a date determined? Who gets to determine that? and if our history book dates are different from others - what does it mean?
Seems to me there is no "world war" without the US so the bombing of pearl harbor would be a real date. But if there are too many factions - if the Asia war is different from the european war then maybe the world war doesn't really have meaning until those alliances are made linking the wars officially. And is the history book "start date" focused on these types of large scale changes to the conflicts, or did it look back to a precipitating event that made those large scale changes inevitable?
As Lizard Queen mentioned - how does this compare to WWI events and dates and determinations?
So as I said, I think there are a lot of questions and conversation that can be had in response to - is their a racial motivation to when the official world war start date is determined.
And we are seeing right in front us how politics and racism are impacting the teaching of history, the teaching of racism, the teaching of scoiology. to protect racists. To wonder about how that may have impacted the recording and interpretation of history from the last century is a very logical question to ask.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 26, 2022 12:00:06 GMT -5
President Wilson, under date of July 31, 1919, addressed a letter to Secretary of War Baker which read, in part, as follows:
It is hard to find a satisfactory ‘official’ name for the war, but the best, I think, that has been suggested is ‘The World War’, and I hope that your judgment will concur. (From the link) I find the punctuation Wilson used significant in regards to what official actually means. However, I was questioning the start date that was being used here on this thread. Here is the start date of WWII your link offers: Official Designation of the Present War
The war in which the United States has been engaged since 8 December 1941 will hereafter be designated in all official communications and publications as ‘World War II.’” Clearly they were referring to U.S. involvement since the official naming of it here was in reference to wars the U.S. has fought. There is no suggestion that the war itself began at that time. The war predates this country's joining but still was only called a world war because it involved so many countries around the world. As far as China and Japan, they had fought often over the years without other countries joining in. They were doing so again, but the mere fact that the wars were concurrent does not mean they were part of the same war. If Hitler had not invaded Poland, it would have remained those two countries basically alone. Did the war between China and Japan get folded into the Pacific theater of WWII once Japan attacked Pearl Harbor? Perhaps, and even probably so, but that is a far cry from saying that was the beginning of WWII.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 26, 2022 12:16:27 GMT -5
President Wilson, under date of July 31, 1919, addressed a letter to Secretary of War Baker which read, in part, as follows:
It is hard to find a satisfactory ‘official’ name for the war, but the best, I think, that has been suggested is ‘The World War’, and I hope that your judgment will concur. (From the link) I find the punctuation Wilson used significant in regards to what official actually means. However, I was questioning the start date that was being used here on this thread. Here is the start date of WWII your link offers: Official Designation of the Present War
The war in which the United States has been engaged since 8 December 1941 will hereafter be designated in all official communications and publications as ‘World War II.’” Clearly they were referring to U.S. involvement since the official naming of it here was in reference to wars the U.S. has fought. There is no suggestion that the war itself began at that time. The war predates this country's joining but still was only called a world war because it involved so many countries around the world. As far as China and Japan, they had They were doing so again, but the mere fact that the wars were concurrent does not mean they were part of the same war. If Hitler had not invaded Poland, it would have remained those two countries basically alone. Did the war between China and Japan get folded into the Pacific theater of WWII once Japan attacked Pearl Harbor? Perhaps, and even probably so, but that is a far cry from saying that was the beginning of WWII. Europe countries fought often over the years without other countries joining in. Using their latest start as the start of what ended up being reasonably considered a "World" War is leading to a good discussion.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 26, 2022 12:24:18 GMT -5
Clearly they were referring to U.S. involvement since the official naming of it here was in reference to wars the U.S. has fought. There is no suggestion that the war itself began at that time. The war predates this country's joining but still was only called a world war because it involved so many countries around the world. As far as China and Japan, they had They were doing so again, but the mere fact that the wars were concurrent does not mean they were part of the same war. If Hitler had not invaded Poland, it would have remained those two countries basically alone. Did the war between China and Japan get folded into the Pacific theater of WWII once Japan attacked Pearl Harbor? Perhaps, and even probably so, but that is a far cry from saying that was the beginning of WWII. Europe countries fought often over the years without other countries joining in. Using their latest start as the start of what ended up being reasonably considered a "World" War is leading to a good discussion. It would not reasonably have been possible to have a world war before then, simply because technology did not allow far-flung countries around the world to be involved in the same war. If it takes two months to get a message across the ocean, or more money than a country possesses to raise and move a large army thousands of miles, it tends to limit the size and scope of war.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 26, 2022 12:38:11 GMT -5
Any country is going to consider a war that directly involves them and/or effects them significantly more important to them than one that does not. If a completely different region of the world wants to consider a large war involving many different countries a "World War" in their own language, they would absolutely be correct. We also consider our villains in relation to how they affect us. Why isn't Stalin villianized as much or more than Hitler? Is it because he mostly murdered white people? Of course not.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 26, 2022 17:53:21 GMT -5
Europe countries fought often over the years without other countries joining in. Using their latest start as the start of what ended up being reasonably considered a "World" War is leading to a good discussion. It would not reasonably have been possible to have a world war before then, simply because technology did not allow far-flung countries around the world to be involved in the same war. If it takes two months to get a message across the ocean, or more money than a country possesses to raise and move a large army thousands of miles, it tends to limit the size and scope of war. Okay, but it would be possible to have one start after.
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Post by Opti on Mar 27, 2022 11:17:02 GMT -5
Interesting story about a US born journalist who left Moscow after being there for forty years, because of the war and the laws being enacted. www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/after-44-years-i-fled-moscow-with-a-suitcase-2-computers-and-a-dog/ar-AAVxTG9?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fa734872aa3e4b528ba0df9aca41f927I work at The Moscow Times, an independent newspaper founded in 1992 after the dissolution of the Soviet Union that publishes online in both English and Russian. As the paper’s arts editor, I was planning to attend the Sochi Winter International Arts Festival beginning on February 16. A few days before I was to leave, I asked my editor if I should go — would it be safe for me to be on the Black Sea coast if war broke out?
“You’ll be in a group,” she said, “and I don’t think it will start.” I said, “I don’t either, but the thing is — I didn’t think Russia would annex Crimea in 2014.” She said, “I didn’t think they’d invade Georgia in 2008.”
I recognize now that the dots were all there. We just couldn’t connect them. We couldn’t imagine a full-scale invasion because a full-scale invasion was unimaginable.
I flew back to Moscow on the evening of February 23. The next morning the war began.
Everything changed in the blink of an eye. Within two weeks, I would find myself in a minivan with a driver and six people, three dogs and mountains of suitcases and bags, getting ready to cross the border out of Russia. I would be the last one of the Moscow Times staff to leave the country, part of an exodus that included most of the foreign correspondents in Russia and thousands of Russians.
I was leaving a place I’d lived for more than 40 years.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 28, 2022 15:18:47 GMT -5
Interesting about how poor and undeveloped most of Russia is:
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 28, 2022 17:11:00 GMT -5
Europe countries fought often over the years without other countries joining in. Using their latest start as the start of what ended up being reasonably considered a "World" War is leading to a good discussion. It would not reasonably have been possible to have a world war before then, simply because technology did not allow far-flung countries around the world to be involved in the same war. If it takes two months to get a message across the ocean, or more money than a country possesses to raise and move a large army thousands of miles, it tends to limit the size and scope of war. Is that true thiugh? Not the technology part I agree with you on that but colonialism could and probably did result in far-flung countries to be involved in wars started at the other side of the world?
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Post by tallguy on Mar 28, 2022 17:51:08 GMT -5
It would not reasonably have been possible to have a world war before then, simply because technology did not allow far-flung countries around the world to be involved in the same war. If it takes two months to get a message across the ocean, or more money than a country possesses to raise and move a large army thousands of miles, it tends to limit the size and scope of war. Is that true thiugh? Not the technology part I agree with you on that but colonialism could and probably did result in far-flung countries to be involved in wars started at the other side of the world? But not to the scope required to be classed a world war. One country against another? Sure. Ten countries aligned against twenty others which together encompass much of the globe? Highly doubtful.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 1, 2022 9:17:11 GMT -5
Ukraine blew up a Russian oil depot using helicopters.
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Post by hurley1980 on Apr 1, 2022 10:53:44 GMT -5
A happy story for a change of pace. www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/ukraine-family-describes-harrowing-escape-from-country-to-queens/ar-AAVvWdD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c883a417e91d4f03a81b85178cb284caA family from Ukraine described their harrowing journey out of the country after arriving in New York City.
The Rodomon family had happy lives in their home in Yavorif in western Ukraine. They had family nearby and they raised their children in freedom and peace, until it all came crashing down around them.
The family was able to come to the U.S. because Rodomon's mother-in-law lives in Far Rockaway, Queens. But they had just one suitcase among them.
That's when Father Jim Cunningham at St. Francis de Sales Church stepped in to help.
He heard about the family and asked his congregation for assistance.
He knew, and so the donations came pouring in, including toys, money, and clothes. The donations filled the church rectory.Aside from all of the bloodshed and depression of this war, there are so many stories of the world stepping up to help Ukrainians in their time of need, and it has somewhat restored my faith in humanity! It is so relieving to know that humans will still do what they can and donate what they can when called upon, and generally want to help others. Especially considering all of the horrible stories that have come out the last couple of years regarding people acting horribly. The love the people of earth (excluding Russia) have shown to Ukraine is the one bright light in this whole soul crushing war.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 6, 2022 15:32:30 GMT -5
‘At Night I Dream of Mariupol’: Nine Accounts of Surviving a Russian SiegeIn early March, the Russian Army encircled Mariupol, Ukraine, a southern port city on the Black Sea. A siege and relentless bombardment followed. Food and water quickly grew scarce, and gas, electricity, internet access and cellphone service became nonexistent. Early attempts to create humanitarian corridors — to allow civilians to get out of the city and to get food, water and supplies in — failed under Russian shelling. As the siege continued, the dead were covered and left outside because it was too dangerous to collect them. Russians bombed a maternity hospital and a theater where up to 1,000 people were sheltering. The Red Cross has made repeated attempts in recent days to reach the city, where tens of thousands are reportedly still trapped in increasingly dire conditions. “Europe has no right to react in silence to what is happening in our Mariupol,” President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a video address on Saturday, translated by his office. “The whole world must react to this humanitarian catastrophe.” Olena Ivantsiv, Kateryna Iakovlenko and Tetiana Bezruk, journalists from Ukraine, contacted people from Mariupol and asked them to describe their experiences. This is what they said. Their statements have been edited for clarity and length. I do not miss the lost things, the ruined house. I don’t care that I have a loan on the TV, which I will never watch again. It’s all so mundane and devalued by the war itself. But I miss so very much my special world which Mariupol was for me. The city always had a special smell. During winters, it was a bitter aroma of frozen grapes, which were left on the vine, mixed with a touch of smoke emanating from family houses. During summer, it was filled with the smell of dust settled to the ground by the long-awaited rains. And in the spring … what a beautiful city it was in the spring. It’s winter in my city, brought by Russian bombs. They did not just bomb my city. They bombed my spring. My life. My past. And, it turns out, my future too. Because the most difficult question for me now is, “What do I do tomorrow?” I used to have a thousand plans and a million wishes. Now I really wish for only one thing: for Putin to die. At night I dream of Mariupol. The way I remember it. I walked with my youngest son along the alleys of the City Garden, and he kept asking me, “How many steps to the sea?” and “How many trees in this alley?” Such a pleasant dream and such a painful awakening. Everyone says: “It’s OK, Anya, we will rebuild. Our city will be even more beautiful than it was before.” I don’t want a better city. I want what I had. The city where I knew exactly how many steps to the sea and how many trees in the park’s central alley there were. I want returned what cannot be returned. And this is the tragedy of my life. — Anna Murlykina, 47, editor in chief of 0629.com.uaComplete article here: ‘At Night I Dream of Mariupol’: Nine Accounts of Surviving a Russian Siege
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2022 11:59:08 GMT -5
the international community needs to give him an escape hatch. demanding Nuremburg hearings is a mistake. a caged animal is the most dangerous of all.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 28, 2022 12:44:56 GMT -5
I agree 100%.
But who is going to do it?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 28, 2022 12:46:25 GMT -5
I agree 100%. But who is going to do it? except - he really deserves! but I am getting worried that he may turn to nukes as he loses military strength. obviously not on ukraine, too close to home.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2022 13:00:37 GMT -5
I agree 100%. But who is going to do it? a neutral 3rd party. someone friendly to both sides. Turkey comes to mind. Cyprus. China.
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 29, 2022 18:03:56 GMT -5
Yes, he needs an out. Right now, that is not an option, unfortunately, but the diplomatic folks have to be on call from now until whenever in case an opportunity arises.
At the moment Ukraine would not even concede Donbas, let alone the Black Sea coast. And who can blame them?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2022 18:58:57 GMT -5
i don't think that Putin imagined that the Ukraine would be seen as utterly heroic, and Russia utterly villainous.
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Post by deminmaine on May 3, 2022 18:02:25 GMT -5
i don't think that Putin imagined that the Ukraine would be seen as utterly heroic, and Russia utterly villainous. Yes, it is stunning the amount of miscalculations Putin has made, isn't it? Absolutely stunning. I am still more than a little concerned he will make another one involving "tactical" or other nukes. I am also concerned by some of the rhetoric in the West. War fever is a thing, and we are getting caught up in it. Loose talk about nuclear exchanges is absolutely insane. Joe Biden set the right tone at first, imo, and his recent more bellicose statements are not well advised. I am sure they are aimed at the poll numbers, but there are things more important than poll numbers. I realize that we could still face our own mega-threat to Democracy if Dems lose in a couple of years, so these are definitely perilous times!
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Why May 9 is a big day for Russia, and what a declaration of war would mean
CNN — Russia may have invaded Ukraine on February 24, but President Vladimir Putin has insisted that his troops are carrying out a “special military operation” instead of declaring war. However, Western officials and analysts believe that could change on May 9, a symbolic day for Russia, with a formal declaration of war that will pave the way for Putin to step up his campaign. What is May 9?May 9, known as “Victory Day” inside Russia, commemorates the country’s defeat of the Nazis in 1945. It is marked by a military parade in Moscow, and Russian leaders traditionally stand on the tomb of Vladimir Lenin in Red Square to observe it. “May 9 is designed to show off to the home crowd, to intimidate the opposition and to please the dictator of the time,” said James Nixey, director of the Russia-Eurasia Programme at Chatham House told CNN. Western officials have long believed that Putin would leverage the symbolic significance and propaganda value of the day to announce either a military achievement in Ukraine, a major escalation of hostilities – or both. The Russian president has a keen eye for symbolism, having launched the invasion of Ukraine the day after Defender of the Fatherland Day, another crucial military day in Russia. Preparing for mobilization?Putin has many options on the table, according to Oleg Ignatov, senior analyst for Russia at Crisis Group. “Declaring war is the toughest scenario,” he said. Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky – who has not formally declared war on Russia – imposed martial law in Ukraine when the Russian invasion began in late February. Another option for Putin is to enact Russia’s mobilization law, which can be used to start a general or partial military mobilization “in cases of aggression against the Russian Federation or a direct threat of aggression, the outbreak of armed conflicts directed against the Russian Federation.” That would allow the government not just to assemble troops but also to put the country’s economy on a war footing. Russian forces have lost at least 15,000 soldiers since the beginning of the war, according to Nixey, and reinforcements will be needed if Moscow is to achieve its goals in Ukraine. Mobilization could mean extending conscription for soldiers currently in the armed forces, calling on reservists or bringing in men of fighting age who have had military training, said Ignatov. But it represents a big risk to Putin’s government, he said. “It would change the whole Kremlin narrative,” said Ignatov, adding that the move would force Putin to admit that the invasion of Ukraine has not gone to plan. Rest of article here: Why May 9 is a big day for Russia, and what a declaration of war would mean
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Post by Opti on May 12, 2022 8:03:10 GMT -5
Sad story. www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/this-tears-my-soul-apart-a-ukrainian-boy-and-a-killing/ar-AAXb8Oh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=17b5ec7d0cc04d6bbec858786bf042d8Survivors have described soldiers firing guns near their feet or threatening them with grenades, only to be drawn away by a cooler-headed colleague. But there was no one around to restrain the Russian soldier that day in March when Yura and his father, 47-year-old Ruslan, were biking down a tree-lined street.
They were on their way to visit vulnerable neighbors sheltering in basements and homes without electricity or running water. Their bikes were tied with white fabric, in a sign they traveled in peace.
When the soldier stepped from a dirt path to challenge them, Yura and his father immediately stopped and raised their hands.
“What are you doing?” Yura remembers the soldier asking. The soldier didn’t give Yura’s father time to answer.
The boy heard two gunshots. His father fell, mouth open, already bleeding.
A shot hit Yura’s hand, and he fell, too. Another shot struck his elbow. He closed his eyes. A final shot was fired.
On that awful day, Yura survived the attempted killing by the awkward grace of that teenage constant, his gray hoodie. It was shot instead of him, and he felt it move.
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Post by happyhoix on May 17, 2022 20:45:35 GMT -5
Something is happening. Russian bloggers are talking about the problems in Ukraine and about Putin being sick. Normally that can’t happen. Is there a coup about to happen? From oligarchs or the military? Is Putin actually sick with blood cancer or is that a rumor that’s being circulated in case Putin suddenly disappears? Apparently if the TV starts playing video of Swan Lake we’ll know something is going down - they do that whenever a head of state dies or a coup starts.
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