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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 18, 2022 20:01:54 GMT -5
There is a moral imperative here, and speculation about the potential impact is an argument for rather than against. If there was a chance that this action could add one gram to the 10 tons of pressure needed to force russia to rethink this, it should be done. The other side is that continued business relations would bolster russia and delay any impact of the other sanctions against them. No one is doing business in russia as a charitable enterprise, they are making money. To continue to make money with a country that has invaded a neighbor for no reason and is bombing civilians deliberately is repugnant. So any business that is not doing whatever small measure they can to not profit from the bloodshed in Ukraine will not be seeing any money from me. Well, there is also a chance for it to backfire due to isolating the general Russian population too much from the outside world. For me, I only have so much bandwidth for my efforts, so will try to focus more on areas of most potential impact. You sound like you're better at this boycotting stuff than me. I don't know if Koch makes my store-brand TP I buy. I just do my best. I'm pretty routinized in the brands and prodcuts I grab, and when in doubt I google up. Koch has like 4-5 different paper product companies, and I avoid those. Do they also sell under store brand/genera brands? Idk? But I try.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 18, 2022 20:18:28 GMT -5
Well, there is also a chance for it to backfire due to isolating the general Russian population too much from the outside world. For me, I only have so much bandwidth for my efforts, so will try to focus more on areas of most potential impact. You sound like you're better at this boycotting stuff than me. I don't know if Koch makes my store-brand TP I buy. I just do my best. I'm pretty routinized in the brands and prodcuts I grab, and when in doubt I google up. Koch has like 4-5 different paper product companies, and I avoid those. Do they also sell under store brand/genera brands? Idk? But I try. I heard a lot of generic brands are actually produced by the major brands, and I get, "compare to Quilted Northern" tp. And I can't find out who actually produces it anywhere. So, I just try to keep these in mind Plus, earlier today I discovered a list of toiletries with benzene detected in them. I had a sunscreen on the list. It's just so much to try to remember to avoid when you put it all together, constantly adding new things. www.valisure.com/blog/valisure-news/valisure-detects-benzene-in-sunscreen/
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And the love affair continues. Kremlin Official Laments Donald Trump's Twitter Ban, Praises Fox NewsIn a 35-minute interview aired Friday on Russian state-owned television network RT, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov claimed that Fox News is the only American media outlet that offers "alternative" points of view, and called the removal of former President Donald Trump from Twitter and other social media "censorship." This comes as the latest back-and-forth on media and propaganda between the two countries as the war in Ukraine rages on. "So we know the manners and the tricks which are being used by the Western countries to manipulate media," Lavrov said. "We understood long ago that there is no such thing as an independent Western media. If you take the United States only Fox News is trying to present some alternative points of view." "But when you see, you watch other channels, and when you—watch, read the social networks and internet platforms, when the acting president was blocked, as you know, and this censorship continues in a very big way and the substitution of notions whenever something is happening by the way of mass protest mass demonstrations, which they don't like, they immediately call it domestic terrorism. So it's a war, and it's a war which involves the methods of information terrorism. There is no doubt about this." Rest of the nonsense here: Kremlin Official Laments Donald Trump's Twitter Ban, Praises Fox News
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And the love affair continues. Kremlin Official Laments Donald Trump's Twitter Ban, Praises Fox NewsIn a 35-minute interview aired Friday on Russian state-owned television network RT, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov claimed that Fox News is the only American media outlet that offers "alternative" points of view, and called the removal of former President Donald Trump from Twitter and other social media "censorship." This comes as the latest back-and-forth on media and propaganda between the two countries as the war in Ukraine rages on. "So we know the manners and the tricks which are being used by the Western countries to manipulate media," Lavrov said. "We understood long ago that there is no such thing as an independent Western media. If you take the United States only Fox News is trying to present some alternative points of view." "But when you see, you watch other channels, and when you—watch, read the social networks and internet platforms, when the acting president was blocked, as you know, and this censorship continues in a very big way and the substitution of notions whenever something is happening by the way of mass protest mass demonstrations, which they don't like, they immediately call it domestic terrorism. So it's a war, and it's a war which involves the methods of information terrorism. There is no doubt about this." Rest of the nonsense here: Kremlin Official Laments Donald Trump's Twitter Ban, Praises Fox NewsThe Russian government clearly knows who their friends are. Trump and FOX. There is a reason why Russia's state media features Tucker Carlson as much as they can.
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Post by deminmaine on Mar 19, 2022 5:57:48 GMT -5
I am absolutely stunned by the ineptitude of the Russian military effort.
Granted, the Ukrainians are motivated, and the Russians are not. Granted the Russians sent a large proportion of poorly trained conscripts. And granted the Ukrainians have "home field advantage". But consider:
The Russians did not prepare logistically, to the point of not even securing enough food and fuel to get there invading forces where they need to go. (See armored column outside Kyev) Russian combined arms are not working in a coordinated fashion. Infantry does not appear to be protecting armor from anti tank measures, the artillery is poorly focused, and the air war is pathetic. Russian air attacks on Ukrainian air force capabilities fell woefully short, failing to take out runways or otherwise impede a vastly inferior force. Russian reserves have proven to be insufficient to regain initiative, and in any event also are victim to pathetic supply line failure. Russian vehicles and tanks get stuck in the mud, despite what their Dear Leader claimed.
Wow. This is supposed to be one of the world's top military powers, and one of the best armies. They are, thus far, pathetic. They may well still crush by overwhelming numbers- though the "experts" are increasingly even doubting that- but their performance has thus far been absolutely incompetent. Stunning. Right up there with Saddam's army.
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I am absolutely stunned by the ineptitude of the Russian military effort. Granted, the Ukrainians are motivated, and the Russians are not. Granted the Russians sent a large proportion of poorly trained conscripts. And granted the Ukrainians have "home field advantage". But consider: The Russians did not prepare logistically, to the point of not even securing enough food and fuel to get there invading forces where they need to go. (See armored column outside Kyev) Russian combined arms are not working in a coordinated fashion. Infantry does not appear to be protecting armor from anti tank measures, the artillery is poorly focused, and the air war is pathetic. Russian air attacks on Ukrainian air force capabilities fell woefully short, failing to take out runways or otherwise impede a vastly inferior force. Russian reserves have proven to be insufficient to regain initiative, and in any event also are victim to pathetic supply line failure. Russian vehicles and tanks get stuck in the mud, despite what their Dear Leader claimed. Wow. This is supposed to be one of the world's top military powers, and one of the best armies. They are, thus far, pathetic. They may well still crush by overwhelming numbers- though the "experts" are increasingly even doubting that- but their performance has thus far been absolutely incompetent. Stunning. Right up there with Saddam's army. Almost makes you wonder if the military is purposely screwing this up in some kind of secret military plot to overthrow Putin? First make him look incompetent so when he’s murdered every Russian is relieved. Putin might suspect that, too - he has two advisers under house arrest.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 19, 2022 11:17:52 GMT -5
I am absolutely stunned by the ineptitude of the Russian military effort. Granted, the Ukrainians are motivated, and the Russians are not. Granted the Russians sent a large proportion of poorly trained conscripts. And granted the Ukrainians have "home field advantage". But consider: The Russians did not prepare logistically, to the point of not even securing enough food and fuel to get there invading forces where they need to go. (See armored column outside Kyev) Russian combined arms are not working in a coordinated fashion. Infantry does not appear to be protecting armor from anti tank measures, the artillery is poorly focused, and the air war is pathetic. Russian air attacks on Ukrainian air force capabilities fell woefully short, failing to take out runways or otherwise impede a vastly inferior force. Russian reserves have proven to be insufficient to regain initiative, and in any event also are victim to pathetic supply line failure. Russian vehicles and tanks get stuck in the mud, despite what their Dear Leader claimed. Wow. This is supposed to be one of the world's top military powers, and one of the best armies. They are, thus far, pathetic. They may well still crush by overwhelming numbers- though the "experts" are increasingly even doubting that- but their performance has thus far been absolutely incompetent. Stunning. Right up there with Saddam's army. Almost makes you wonder if the military is purposely screwing this up in some kind of secret military plot to overthrow Putin? First make him look incompetent so when he’s murdered every Russian is relieved. Putin might suspect that, too - he has two advisers under house arrest. Many of the conscripted men (18 t o 20 years old) are barely adults. Fighting wars is foreign to them. What the use of Russian conscripts tells us about the war in UkrainePushing non-professional soldiers into battle is a sign of desperation. Russian President Vladimir Putin likely never thought he would have to admit that conscripts had been used in Ukraine — and, yet, the Russian government had to do just that. Conscription is a sensitive topic in Russia, and their use by the Kremlin indicates the degree to which the country’s leaders believed they could keep the cost of the war hidden from the domestic populace. But now that their deployment is public, what does Russia’s continued use of conscripts say about the war and the future course the conflict may take? The short answer is that the war is not going as well as planned — and using conscripts could create more problems for Russian security leadership. Russian military personnel consist of four primary groups: officers, (a very small pool of) non-commissioned officers, contracted personnel and conscripts. Historically, conscription has been used in Russia to ensure that a large portion of the population has military training in case of mobilization for a major war, and to cut costs associated with maintaining a military large enough to defend the country. They are also generally prohibited from being deployed abroad. Today, Russia requires all male citizens aged 18 to 27 to register for conscription, normally for the term of a year, and then move into a mandatory reserve status. Currently, most estimates hold that approximately 25 percent of the Russian military is made up of conscripts, with the number varying within each military service and between unit types. And though Russia has attempted to move toward a professional army — primarily to increase the level of training and expertise in the force — the country must balance professionalization with its need to maintain a large military. Yet public support for conscription is limited in Russia, and the deployment of conscripts is controversial. Conscripts are generally less capable than their contracted counterparts, as their service period limits their training. And although a longer conscription period would lead to a more capable conscript force, such a decision would prove unpopular with the Russian public. Thus, when used, conscripted service members are generally seen in roles requiring less technical expertise, like logistics, which has already proved a key sticking point in Russia’s advance across Ukraine. Additionally, due to widespread, brutal hazing — called dedovshchina — seen since the Soviet period, conscripts also have lower morale and unit cohesion. The Russian military has had varied success in reducing its effects, but hazing remains a major problem, leading to widespread (and often successful) attempts to try to gain exemptions from service, most frequently for medical or educational reasons. Furthermore, the use of conscripts in active combat will impact wide swaths of Russian families and is likely to draw a negative reaction from the broader public as casualties grow. During the Soviet-Afghan War in the 1980s, Soviet leadership was so concerned about public outcry over casualties and about denying the reality of war that it sent home soldiers killed in action in sealed zinc coffins. The comparison is unlikely to be far from anyone’s mind. Rest of article here: What the use of Russian conscripts tells us about the war in Ukraine
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 19, 2022 11:19:12 GMT -5
I am absolutely stunned by the ineptitude of the Russian military effort. Granted, the Ukrainians are motivated, and the Russians are not. Granted the Russians sent a large proportion of poorly trained conscripts. And granted the Ukrainians have "home field advantage". But consider: The Russians did not prepare logistically, to the point of not even securing enough food and fuel to get there invading forces where they need to go. (See armored column outside Kyev) Russian combined arms are not working in a coordinated fashion. Infantry does not appear to be protecting armor from anti tank measures, the artillery is poorly focused, and the air war is pathetic. Russian air attacks on Ukrainian air force capabilities fell woefully short, failing to take out runways or otherwise impede a vastly inferior force. Russian reserves have proven to be insufficient to regain initiative, and in any event also are victim to pathetic supply line failure. Russian vehicles and tanks get stuck in the mud, despite what their Dear Leader claimed. Wow. This is supposed to be one of the world's top military powers, and one of the best armies. They are, thus far, pathetic. They may well still crush by overwhelming numbers- though the "experts" are increasingly even doubting that- but their performance has thus far been absolutely incompetent. Stunning. Right up there with Saddam's army. Read this thread:
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 19, 2022 11:22:11 GMT -5
Simply coincidence? I think not. Russians arrive in space wearing Ukrainian coloursRussian cosmonauts have arrived at the International Space Station wearing Ukrainian colours, in what appears to be a statement opposing the invasion. The three men were the first new arrivals since Russia attacked its eastern neighbour last month. They were warmly welcomed on board, hugging and greeting their fellow American, Russian and German crew. The ISS is a joint project between Russia, America, Canada, Japan and several European countries. It is led by a US-Russian partnership that has continued for two decades despite fluctuating tensions between the two world powers. Russian cosmonauts Denis Matveyev, Oleg Artemyev and Sergey Korsakov docked at the ISS after a three-hour flight which blasted off from a Russian-owned facility in Kazakhstan. "Congratulations on the successful docking," a voice from Russia's mission control said moments later. A few hours later, two sets of hatches were opened and the three smiling men floated into the space station one by one wearing bright yellow space suits with blue accents. "It became our turn to pick a colour," Mr Artemyev said when he was asked about the suits in a live-streamed press conference. "We had accumulated a lot of yellow material so we needed to use it," he joked. "That's why we had to wear yellow." Since the invasion of Ukraine, people around the world have used the colours of its national flag to show solidarity and support. The three Russians will begin a science mission on the ISS that is set to last just over six months. They will replace three current crew members who are scheduled to fly back to Earth on 30 March. The standard-issue Russian uniform is plain blue, and at least one of the men was seen wearing this before take-off. The moment was live-streamed by both Nasa, the American space agency, and the Russian agency Roscosmos. "It became our turn to pick a colour," Mr Artemyev said when he was asked about the suits in a live-streamed press conference. "We had accumulated a lot of yellow material so we needed to use it," he joked. "That's why we had to wear yellow." Since the invasion of Ukraine, people around the world have used the colours of its national flag to show solidarity and support. The three Russians will begin a science mission on the ISS that is set to last just over six months. They will replace three current crew members who are scheduled to fly back to Earth on 30 March. Russians arrive in space wearing Ukrainian colours
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Post by deminmaine on Mar 19, 2022 19:06:00 GMT -5
Russia's other major malfunction here is that they can't really commit too much more of their military "might" here. They need to hold a sizeable portion of their guided missiles, and air force, in reserve in case of actual conflict with NATO. Likewise, there is a real upper limit to the number of regular forces they can comfortably commit to this. Granted the odds are still with Russia. But each day it is a longer, harder slog, and Ukraine has more of a chance of a more favorable outcome in the end. And, having said all that, what is happening is truly barbaric and an absolute catastrophe for the Ukrainians. Can you imagine your home (or nearby) city being laid waste like is happening to the cities in eastern Ukraine?
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 20, 2022 3:36:29 GMT -5
I am absolutely stunned by the ineptitude of the Russian military effort. Granted, the Ukrainians are motivated, and the Russians are not. Granted the Russians sent a large proportion of poorly trained conscripts. And granted the Ukrainians have "home field advantage". But consider: The Russians did not prepare logistically, to the point of not even securing enough food and fuel to get there invading forces where they need to go. (See armored column outside Kyev) Russian combined arms are not working in a coordinated fashion. Infantry does not appear to be protecting armor from anti tank measures, the artillery is poorly focused, and the air war is pathetic. Russian air attacks on Ukrainian air force capabilities fell woefully short, failing to take out runways or otherwise impede a vastly inferior force. Russian reserves have proven to be insufficient to regain initiative, and in any event also are victim to pathetic supply line failure. Russian vehicles and tanks get stuck in the mud, despite what their Dear Leader claimed. Wow. This is supposed to be one of the world's top military powers, and one of the best armies. They are, thus far, pathetic. They may well still crush by overwhelming numbers- though the "experts" are increasingly even doubting that- but their performance has thus far been absolutely incompetent. Stunning. Right up there with Saddam's army. Almost makes you wonder if the military is purposely screwing this up in some kind of secret military plot to overthrow Putin? First make him look incompetent so when he’s murdered every Russian is relieved. Putin might suspect that, too - he has two advisers under house arrest. I wondered that as well. Is the reason we have seen 5 dead Generals..... something to do with the fact that they wont fight?...or maybe they want to challenge Putin? I have no basis for saying this... but the dead Generals does seem odd.......... nobody is that good at aiming rockets.
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5 dead Generals?? I'm assuming they are some sort of lower ranking "general" - like major general or brigadier general the kind that takes orders and implements them - and not like a General higher up that's formulating the strategy/giving the orders.
If the General's closer to the battle field are dying - it would seem to indicate that many of their troops are also dying OR that their locations are not well secured/kept secret.
OK, maybe I've watched too many War movies.
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Post by Opti on Mar 20, 2022 10:54:59 GMT -5
5 dead Generals?? I'm assuming they are some sort of lower ranking "general" - like major general or brigadier general the kind that takes orders and implements them - and not like a General higher up that's formulating the strategy/giving the orders. If the General's closer to the battle field are dying - it would seem to indicate that many of their troops are also dying OR that their locations are not well secured/kept secret. OK, maybe I've watched too many War movies. Most of them used unsecured phones I believe.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 20, 2022 11:57:52 GMT -5
I've read several Twitter threads by the Kamil guy I posted above. He explained some of how the power structure works in Russia. The rank and file military aren't supposed to think for themselves, but are to wait for instruction from above. I suppose this structure would require to have generals be closer to the action so they can send instructions quickly.
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I've read several Twitter threads by the Kamil guy I posted above. He explained some of how the power structure works in Russia. The rank and file military aren't supposed to think for themselves, but are to wait for instruction from above. I suppose this structure would require to have generals be closer to the action so they can send instructions quickly. Is there a country with a military in which this is not the case?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 20, 2022 13:01:41 GMT -5
I've read several Twitter threads by the Kamil guy I posted above. He explained some of how the power structure works in Russia. The rank and file military aren't supposed to think for themselves, but are to wait for instruction from above. I suppose this structure would require to have generals be closer to the action so they can send instructions quickly. Is there a country with a military in which this is not the case? I guess the US? I guess the US soldiers on the ground are allowed to make adjustments if they need to. This is what I read, anyway. It might have been another guy, but I mostly read this guy on the subject. I'll try to find it later on.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 20, 2022 14:27:40 GMT -5
Is there a country with a military in which this is not the case? I guess the US? I guess the US soldiers on the ground are allowed to make adjustments if they need to. This is what I read, anyway. It might have been another guy, but I mostly read this guy on the subject. I'll try to find it later on. I was somewhat joking. But I did research it and found the following: The new Air Force Doctrine Publication (AFDP) 1 formally establishes mission command as the philosophy for the command and control (C2) of airpower, to be implemented through centralized command, distributed control, and decentralized execution. link Looks like the US does have a more flexible system.
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5 dead Generals?? I'm assuming they are some sort of lower ranking "general" - like major general or brigadier general the kind that takes orders and implements them - and not like a General higher up that's formulating the strategy/giving the orders. If the General's closer to the battle field are dying - it would seem to indicate that many of their troops are also dying OR that their locations are not well secured/kept secret. OK, maybe I've watched too many War movies. Not sure what their rank is, but I read that the war is going so badly the generals, who would normally command from the rear, feel compelled to move closer to the front. Also as some one already pointed out, the Ukrainians took out the encrypted communications system and the Russians are having to use cell phone, which the Ukrainians can intercept and determine the location from. Also read that a lot of the Russian troops are conscripts with much battle field experience- and also they have low morale because they were told this was just an exercise. Hard to know what is fact though, lots of propaganda.
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5 dead Generals?? I'm assuming they are some sort of lower ranking "general" - like major general or brigadier general the kind that takes orders and implements them - and not like a General higher up that's formulating the strategy/giving the orders. If the General's closer to the battle field are dying - it would seem to indicate that many of their troops are also dying OR that their locations are not well secured/kept secret. OK, maybe I've watched too many War movies. Sort of. Four are Major Generals and one is a Lieutenant General, but retired general David Petraeus did say that some were "the kind of guys you would have heard of." www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/03/20/ukraine-russian-generals-patraeus-sotu-vpx.cnn
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 20, 2022 18:31:14 GMT -5
Reports that Russia is rounding up civilians and busing them to Russia. Could be just rumors. Could be they are busing them to cozy hotels to get them to safety. There is a third option I choose not to consider at all.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 21, 2022 9:08:03 GMT -5
Russia lost their highest ranking Naval officer in Ukraine, they announced today.
Fighting Nazis, they said.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 21, 2022 9:34:25 GMT -5
Saw a clip with retired general petraeus talking about the five generals. He said Ukraine jammed their encrypted communications and deleted the Russian area code from the cellphone system they were using so the Russians are having to steal cell phones from Ukrainians to use, and those are easy to trace - and the Ukrainians have very good snipers.
Also - Russians have no non commissioned officers, so troops wait for orders from the higher ups, and that’s a problem with their communication system off line.
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Post by Opti on Mar 21, 2022 12:05:52 GMT -5
Here's an article on Putin the bully destroying Ukraine because he hasn't gotten his way. www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/putin-s-destruction-of-mariupol-shows-a-cruel-and-unhinged-bully-not-getting-his-way/ar-AAVjZMY?ocid=msedgntpThere’s nothing strategic about bombing a city of nearly half a million people to dust. But that’s what Russian President Vladimir Putin is doing to the coastal Ukrainian city of Mariupol.
There’s nothing strategic about killing civilians. Or targeting an art school sheltering 400 people. Or a theater.
This is not the work of a master military strategist. It’s far simpler. It’s the hideous, unconscionable actions of a bully angry he’s not getting his way.
Failure and consequences cause bullies wincing pain. So they escalate. They take greater risks, cause more harm, do anything to relieve that pain, no matter what it means to their victims.
In Mariupol, it means death. The Associated Press called what’s happening to the city “one of the most brutal sieges in modern history.”
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Post by tallguy on Mar 21, 2022 15:54:59 GMT -5
Saw a clip with retired general petraeus talking about the five generals. He said Ukraine jammed their encrypted communications and deleted the Russian area code from the cellphone system they were using so the Russians are having to steal cell phones from Ukrainians to use, and those are easy to trace - and the Ukrainians have very good snipers. Also - Russians have no non commissioned officers, so troops wait for orders from the higher ups, and that’s a problem with their communication system off line. That clip is linked in #472.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 21, 2022 19:51:58 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2022/03/21/business/ukraine-nestle-zelensky-russia/index.htmlclearly articulated here :"Paying taxes to the budget of a terrorist country means killing defenseless children & mothers." labeling russia a terrorist regime. strong words, but I can't think of a single negation to it. This is really going to backfire on russia and putin. I only hope Ukraine can hold out long enough to remain a sovereign state. I don't hink putin will back down, no matter how much the evidence of "this was a mistake" builds up. I don't know what will make him back down.
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