Duggar arrest

[raeoflyte]

www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/04/29/josh-duggar-arrested-feds-days-after-wife-pregnancy-announcement/7403586002/


This is so disturbing. The family knew he had problems as a teen, and prayed for him, but still encouraged a life surrounded by kids. Wtf? How many lives has he wrecked? I wouldn't normally condemn the parents, but they failed tragically here.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

I was just about to post this myself!

This is more than disturbing.  He assaulted his sisters and friends/cousins years ago, and now he has several young daughters.  Have they been assaulted?  How many of his nieces has he assaulted?  

He should never have been around children.

[Blonde Granny]

He is facing 20 years in prison, seems most of his punishments have done little good, maybe this time will finally end this.

[swamp]

Huh. Treating human sexuality as aberrant results in aberrant behavior.

[NoNamePerson]

Saw a very short report early early this morning. At that time no details why his arrest but my first thought was child porn. Sick human being. Remember story from a while back and wondered then if he was molested as a child. Not an excuse for his actions but that family seems a tad off to me! But that’s my uber jaded self thinking out loud.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

This was the darker side of "purity culture" I was talking about in that one thread.  It isn't just "wait till you get married" platitudes.   lad the feds finally caught up with his ass.

[swamp]

Apr 30, 2021 15:04:52 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

This was the darker side of "purity culture" I was talking about in that one thread.  It isn't just "wait till you get married" platitudes.   lad the feds finally caught up with his ass.

Treating masturbation and sexual fantasies as the same as child pornography will do that.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

And when you live your lives as all males are the supreme authority figures over women/girls that creates a power imbalance that is a haven for predators.   Then sprinkle on that they are well aware they can ruin your life by making sure everyone knows what "damaged goods" you are if you don't keep your mouth shut.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

So.......his wife knew about his past and still married him.  She was raised in the same culture where males are the supreme beings.  Does this make her complicit, or a victim?

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Apr 30, 2021 15:43:46 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

So.......his wife knew about his past and still married him.  She was raised in the same culture where males are the supreme beings.  Does this make her complicit, or a victim?

It makes her stupid.

[raeoflyte]

Apr 30, 2021 15:43:46 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

So.......his wife knew about his past and still married him.  She was raised in the same culture where males are the supreme beings.  Does this make her complicit, or a victim?

Both. I can't stomach the idea of not protecting your kids. His issues from his teen years included young girls. Although how much choice she had in getting married is a valid question.

But intent doesn't matter. Her, her parents, his parents, all of his siblings knew he had a big fucking problem and still encouraged this life surrounded by kids. Everyone on that list could be trying to recover from their own traumas, but they left the door open for more children to be exploited.

[raeoflyte]

Apr 30, 2021 14:46:42 GMT -5 Blonde Granny said:

He is facing 20 years in prison, seems most of his punishments have done little good, maybe this time will finally end this.

Unless he dies in jail, I doubt it will. Praying hasn't helped him, and I doubt the mental health services in prison would teach him how to not be a monster. Even if he can't live within a school zone when he gets out, unless his family and church stop giving him access to a boatload of children its far too likely to continue.

[NastyWoman]

Apr 30, 2021 14:46:42 GMT -5 Blonde Granny said:

He is facing 20 years in prison, seems most of his punishments have done little good, maybe this time will finally end this.

Well let's hope he gets the full 20 years. That way his youngest (wife is pregnant with #7) will be an adult before he gets out.

[justme]

Apr 30, 2021 15:43:46 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

So.......his wife knew about his past and still married him.  She was raised in the same culture where males are the supreme beings.  Does this make her complicit, or a victim?

Hard to know. She's pregnant with their 7th child - which occurred after her husband's place was raided. Did that happen because like her MIL has frequently said wives are not allowed to tell their husbands no? Or did she actively want the kid? Or was she lied to about what it was about?

[NoNamePerson]

Apr 30, 2021 16:33:24 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Apr 30, 2021 14:46:42 GMT -5 Blonde Granny said:

He is facing 20 years in prison, seems most of his punishments have done little good, maybe this time will finally end this.

Well let's hope he gets the full 20 years. That way his youngest (wife is pregnant with #7) will be adults before he gets out.

By then there will probably be grandchildren! He’ll still be a pervert 20 years down the road. 

[justme]

Apr 30, 2021 15:39:39 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

And when you live your lives as all males are the supreme authority figures over women/girls that creates a power imbalance that is a haven for predators.   Then sprinkle on that they are well aware they can ruin your life by making sure everyone knows what "damaged goods" you are if you don't keep your mouth shut.

Don't forget it's the girl's fault because she didn't dress modest enough and was tempting.

[Artemis Windsong]

From what I've heard, the prisoner population where he is sent will carry out their own judgment.

[dippyegg]

He seems like a perv.  Why would you want to have kids with someone like him?  

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

May 1, 2021 18:48:31 GMT -5 dippyegg said:

He seems like a perv.  Why would you want to have kids with someone like him?  

Women in those type of religious sects are raised to be baby factories and wives. Men are the ultimate authority figure starting with your father then your husband.

Some women leave but at great personal cost.

That doesn't excuse her but it's easy for us to say leave or don't marry him in the first place. We know our options and have been raised with the right to exercise them.

[justme]

What's fucked up is there enough out there that she or at least her dad knew about the molestation before the marriage - it's why his first courting ended. So either she knew and didn't care or her dad didn't care and forced her into it.

Some of her siblings that have gotten out of the cult have previously offered to help her out. I hope she might be able to take them up on it now, but I don't have a ton of faith. Again whether it's brainwashing of the cult or her buying into it I don't know.


But it's all sorts of fucked up. The daughter that had the gall to ask her parents for her fair share of the money from filming for TLC was practically blackballed from the family - but the son who molested several of their daughters including a 5 year old is always welcome with opened arms. 

[Spellbound454]

There has been rumours about this for a while.

Some people have perversions that cannot be treated. All you can do is mitigate and keep him away from youngsters (and out of prison)

Trying to pretend everything is normal is not going to make it go away.

How many times have we seen this happen ... where people couldn't face it so they brushed it under the carpet?

Its no defence. Youngsters must be protected........ even from their own brother/father if necessary..... and its up to the adults to make sure this happens.

[wvugurl26]

I would agree it's all kinds of messed up. However, I doubt she had much choice. She married who her father told her to. He probably saw fame and money coming from it.

[NoNamePerson]

I have the father pegged as a pervert too. Probably molested her so she marries what she knows

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2021 15:39:39 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

And when you live your lives as all males are the supreme authority figures over women/girls that creates a power imbalance that is a haven for predators.   Then sprinkle on that they are well aware they can ruin your life by making sure everyone knows what "damaged goods" you are if you don't keep your mouth shut.

when sex is ultimately taboo- something you NEVER talk about- that means that nobody will talk about sexual abuse, either. it is actually the perfect environment for sexual deviants. so whether the chicken comes first or the egg doesn't even matter.  sex crimes are rampant in cults and the church.

[djAdvocate]

May 1, 2021 23:12:59 GMT -5 justme said:

What's fucked up is there enough out there that she or at least her dad knew about the molestation before the marriage - it's why his first courting ended. So either she knew and didn't care or her dad didn't care and forced her into it.

Some of her siblings that have gotten out of the cult have previously offered to help her out. I hope she might be able to take them up on it now, but I don't have a ton of faith. Again whether it's brainwashing of the cult or her buying into it I don't know.


But it's all sorts of fucked up. The daughter that had the gall to ask her parents for her fair share of the money from filming for TLC was practically blackballed from the family - but the son who molested several of their daughters including a 5 year old is always welcome with opened arms. 

what's fucked up for me is that this family had 7 seasons to broadcast their absolutely unhealthy family into the households of 100 million Americans.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Now his lawyer is claiming he is not a flight risk so should be able to go home......to a home with 6 children under 11.

Seriously?  If a judge signs off for this, he needs to wind up in the same prison cell with Josh!

people.com/tv/josh-duggar-asks-court-to-release-him-on-bail-arguing-he-is-not-a-flight-risk/

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

This is sick.....they need to lock him up and throw away the key.

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/josh-duggar-child-pornography-case-trial-bail-home-confinement-000211966.html

[wvugurl26]

I'll give the judge credit for saying from the time of his arraignment that he could not return home because of the minor children. He got out on bail but at least he can't go home. There's no fixing some people. I imagine if you've been an agent for awhile you've seen some sick and twisted stuff. 20 years in prison is not long enough for this.

[Deleted]

Just saw this one...he can go home but can't be around his kids unless supervised by his wife? What?


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[justme]

May 4, 2021 16:53:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 1, 2021 23:12:59 GMT -5 justme said:

What's fucked up is there enough out there that she or at least her dad knew about the molestation before the marriage - it's why his first courting ended. So either she knew and didn't care or her dad didn't care and forced her into it.

Some of her siblings that have gotten out of the cult have previously offered to help her out. I hope she might be able to take them up on it now, but I don't have a ton of faith. Again whether it's brainwashing of the cult or her buying into it I don't know.


But it's all sorts of fucked up. The daughter that had the gall to ask her parents for her fair share of the money from filming for TLC was practically blackballed from the family - but the son who molested several of their daughters including a 5 year old is always welcome with opened arms. 

what's fucked up for me is that this family had 7 seasons to broadcast their absolutely unhealthy family into the households of 100 million Americans.

Oh it was more than that. 10 seasons of their original show. That doesn't include all the specials they had before they were given their series. Counting On has 11 seasons too and they marketed as just the older kids minus the pedophile but by all accounts the dad had his hand in it too. One of his daughter's sued and then quit because dad wouldn't give them their portion of the money.