Denying vaccines based on race!!

[ripvanwinkle]

Is this legal?? Blatant discrimination based on the color of your skin.

mynorthwest.com/2802297/wa-health-deny-vaccines-white-people/

Would this be ok if it was reversed and I had a organization that had the same govt funding but only served whites and put persons of color on the standby list? What about a religion list? The outcry would be stratospheric.

I can't take this race crap anymore. All lives matter no matter what race you are.

[Deleted]

I won’t bother sharing my opinion.

But, the tone of the article and the OP’s reaction reminded me of the old saying “It ain’t no fun when the rabbit has the gun”. It doesn’t apply 100% here, but it’s close enough that I was slightly amused when it popped into my head.

[billisonboard]

We need to get people vaccinated. People of color are more hesitant in part because of a history of targeting that population for unethical medical experimentation. Having an organization that works with that population to increase their participation is a good thing. If that means giving them priority on vaccination slots for a day, I am good with that. 

[busymom]

Hmmm.  I had nurses of color who did both of my vaccinations.  Everyone seems to be (mostly) playing nice here, at least when it comes to giving and receiving vaccinations.  The local Muslim mosques, who had ordered large quantities of vaccine to make sure all of their members got vaccinated, even offered their extra vaccine to the communities the mosques were located in.  That's where DH got his shot, and he left a donation with one of the leaders of the mosque he was at, as a thank you, since here the mosques are very active in helping the local food shelves.  It was a win-win.  

[Opti]

Oh goody, the conservative outrage of the day.


The African American Reach and Teach Health Ministry (AARTH).
Weird they wouldn't specialize in outreach to conservative white people with a need to feel offended.

Realistically it only becomes an issue if non African Americans are having more difficulty getting vaccine appointments than African Americans. I'm surprised we weren't treated to outrage articles earlier when my workplace and other nursing homes were vaccinating residents and staff almost exclusively.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 22, 2021 19:16:46 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Is this legal?? Blatant discrimination based on the color of your skin.

mynorthwest.com/2802297/wa-health-deny-vaccines-white-people/

Would this be ok if it was reversed and I had a organization that had the same govt funding but only served whites and put persons of color on the standby list? What about a religion list? The outcry would be stratospheric.

I can't take this race crap anymore. All lives matter no matter what race you are.

let me ask you something-

if i were to scream "ageist" because folks in nursing homes got to go before me, what would your reaction be?

[moon/Laura]

Apr 22, 2021 19:16:46 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

I can't take this race crap anymore. All lives matter no matter what race you are.

You totally don't fucking understand what it means to say "Black lives matter". And, you really, REALLY don't fucking understand how offensive "all lives matter" is,
do you? Sad how racist minds work.

[saveinla]

Its a black organization who is organizing this for all people of color - are there no other places available for white people in Washington State?  

"While 67% of people who received their initial doses were white, 48% of the state’s cases of COVID-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus, have been in white patients.

On the other hand, Black and Hispanic residents have been comparatively under-vaccinated. Just 5% of people receiving an initial dose were Hispanic, while 32% of people who have tested positive for coronavirus have been Hispanic. Black residents have received 2% of the initial doses, but they account for 6% of cases."

www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/first-look-at-washingtons-data-on-vaccination-by-race-ethnicity-shows-wide-gaps/

[Tennesseer]

Apr 22, 2021 19:16:46 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Is this legal?? Blatant discrimination based on the color of your skin.

mynorthwest.com/2802297/wa-health-deny-vaccines-white-people/

Would this be ok if it was reversed and I had a organization that had the same govt funding but only served whites and put persons of color on the standby list? What about a religion list? The outcry would be stratospheric.

I can't take this race crap anymore. All lives matter no matter what race you are.

Maybe you should move to another country where white people have their heels firmly on the necks of people of color. Your personality here seems ripe for a country like that.

[billisonboard]

Apr 22, 2021 21:02:59 GMT -5 saveinla said:

Its a black organization who is organizing this for all people of color - are there no other places available for white people in Washington State?  

"While 67% of people who received their initial doses were white, 48% of the state’s cases of COVID-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus, have been in white patients.

On the other hand, Black and Hispanic residents have been comparatively under-vaccinated. Just 5% of people receiving an initial dose were Hispanic, while 32% of people who have tested positive for coronavirus have been Hispanic. Black residents have received 2% of the initial doses, but they account for 6% of cases."

www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/first-look-at-washingtons-data-on-vaccination-by-race-ethnicity-shows-wide-gaps/

It is one place, one day, and one sign-up portal. Of course there are other places, other days, and other sign-up portals. And there is actually no indication that all the slots for that one day at that one place were being allocated only through that one site.

[dondub]

Apr 22, 2021 21:25:01 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 22, 2021 19:16:46 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Is this legal?? Blatant discrimination based on the color of your skin.

mynorthwest.com/2802297/wa-health-deny-vaccines-white-people/

Would this be ok if it was reversed and I had a organization that had the same govt funding but only served whites and put persons of color on the standby list? What about a religion list? The outcry would be stratospheric.

I can't take this race crap anymore. All lives matter no matter what race you are.

Maybe you should move to another country where white people have their heels firmly on the necks of people of color. Your personality here seems ripe for a country like that.

Perhaps another 20 year nap where Rip wakes up to find ‘things have changed.’😎

[Bob Ross]

OP link:

770KTTH Conservative Talk Radio
On Air: Mark Levin
Article by: Jason Rantz (for real?...LOL)

No red flags here. 🤔

[ripvanwinkle]

Look, I'm just saying that I want yours and mine tax dollars going to help ALL PEOPLE regardless of their skin color get vaccinated. Is that wrong? It's a health crisis that needs to be eliminated.

[Opti]

Apr 23, 2021 1:05:40 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Look, I'm just saying that I want yours and mine tax dollars going to help ALL PEOPLE regardless of their skin color get vaccinated. Is that wrong? It's a health crisis that needs to be eliminated.

Are you sure? Because its a bad horrible article designed to inflame certain people instead of inform. In fact the article can't even verify tax dollars were received, how much, and how it compares to what other organizations got tax dollars to give out vaccines.

Hill could not specify which governmental agency AARTH received its funding from for this project. Public Health — Seattle & King County tells the Jason Rantz Show they do not have a contract with AARTH.

A good article would have researched the total amount of government money given out for vaccines and who it served. To not put out one isolated data point for outrage purposes. If parts of the all people getting vaccinated are underserved and getting vaccinated less, does that not make it harder to get herd immunity and getting all people vaccinated harder to reach? 

[steff]

The Illiterati strikes again

[tallguy]

And there are now two locations here, one in West Seattle and one in South Seattle, where any King County adult aged 60 or over doesn't even need an appointment.  Just show up.  No more scrambling to find and schedule a time.  I hope the OP doesn't consider that unfair to younger people....   

[Opti]

Maybe I scrolled through too quickly, but I didn't even find the provider mentioned in the article in this vaccine provider list.


www.seattlemet.com/health-and-wellness/where-to-get-a-coronavirus-vaccine-in-seattle-and-king-county-bellevue-kent

[tallguy]

That list is from April 5th and is no longer being updated.  AARTH announced on April 15th that they were one of 111 community-based organizations named to receive a grant, presumably to provide vaccines specifically to their community.  It is no secret that minority communities are traditionally underserved and face more barriers to health care.  They are also harder-hit by the virus.  And to the OP:  What community would you expect the African American Reach and Teach Health Ministry to serve?

This is effectively the same argument and reasoning used to uphold affirmative action in the Bakke decision.  It is not discriminatory because these are not part of the regular vaccination program but are add-on vaccinations to remedy imbalances, and race can be used as a factor in doing so.

[Spellbound454]

We have had vaccine programs in Mosques..... Anyone can get their appointment there... but there is an issue with trust in certain sections of society, for which they may be more comfortable in familiar surroundings.
There is also a campaign from famous/religious and respected professionals..... to support and answer some of the conspiracy that is doing the rounds.

As long as people are receiving accurate information.... and getting access to their shots, Its better for everyone.

[pulmonarymd]

Methinks the OP and the people who are outraged in the article are crying crocodile tears

ETA he’s a white male conservative. They neither want or believe in the vaccine. Not sure how he there is outrage. Minorities can get their “chip” implanted and we can track and control them easier. Win, win for everyone

[pulmonarymd]

Someone’s sarcasm detector is off. Maybe hit a little too close to home?

[Bob Ross]

[billisonboard]

Apr 23, 2021 7:20:10 GMT -5 @x said:

Apr 22, 2021 19:50:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

We need to get people vaccinated. People of color are more hesitant in part because of a history of targeting that population for unethical medical experimentation. Having an organization that works with that population to increase their participation is a good thing. If that means giving them priority on vaccination slots for a day, I am good with that. 

So time span related racism is ok due to behavioral traits. 

Is there a formula that shows the amount time allowed that makes it 'not racism' ? 

Didn't say it wasn't racism. I said in this case, based on desirable outcome, this event was a good thing.

[billisonboard]

Apr 23, 2021 9:12:30 GMT -5 @x said:

Apr 23, 2021 8:44:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Didn't say it wasn't racism. I said in this case, based on desirable outcome, this event was a good thing.

You didn't have to say it. 

Basing vaccinations on race, is racism by definition. 

Are these racist events a good thing, for the outcome ?

Final version of these post yet?

[billisonboard]

Apr 23, 2021 9:24:31 GMT -5 @x said:

Apr 23, 2021 9:22:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Final version of these post yet?

Yes all done, switched to the PC with no autocorrect.

Response to question asked: Yes.

[bean29]

Yeah, 

I am going to go with Conservatives making a big deal out of something that is not really an issue.

Here is the local headline in Milwaukee this morning:

www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2021/04/22/wisconsin-center-covid-19-vaccination-site-end-may-28/7333423002/

"Wisconsin Center COVID-19 vaccination site to end May 28, Milwaukee health commissioner says"


I have excepted what I think is relevant to this discussion:

The Wisconsin Center in downtown Milwaukee will cease to be a COVID-19 vaccination site on May 28, when the Federal Emergency Management Agency pilot vaccination effort there ends, officials said Thursday.


A lack of demand is driving the closure of the Wisconsin Center site, she said, adding that it doesn't make sense to have a mass-vaccination site set up when only a fraction of its capacity is being used.



Although the city knew the FEMA site would be ending in May or early June, she said, officials had expected to be asking for an extension — not seeing it close

Now, practices are changing to move to a new phase in which the Wisconsin Center may not be the best way to meet residents' needs compared with temporary vaccination clinics in the community, he said.



The Health Department will be increasing its temporary vaccination sites and workplace vaccination efforts, Johnson said.



The city has also been trying to incentivize vaccinations through events, including by doing giveaways of pizza and planning to offer the vaccine to attendees of Milwaukee Bucks and Brewers games.

Ben Weston, director of medical services at the Milwaukee County Office of Emergency Management, said he sees the closure as the movement to another phase in the vaccine rollout. People who were eager and who had the resources to get a vaccination have done so, he said.

I thought I heard that 50% of people in WI have received at least one dose, but this site says it is 43%.


usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/wisconsin

[Bob Ross]

Apr 23, 2021 10:15:14 GMT -5 @x said:

racism ended quite some time ago in this country.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 23, 2021 10:43:15 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

Apr 23, 2021 10:15:14 GMT -5 @x said:

racism ended quite some time ago in this country.

racism is the belief that one race is superior to the other.

not only has it not ended, but it is far more visible.

people don't even seem to care if it is wrong, anymore.

it is comforting to think that racism doesn't exist.  unless you are black.

[tallguy]

racism ended quite some time ago in this country.

I am guessing there is almost no way this could have been lifted out of context.  If that is correct, it certainly validates my decision not to read this poster.  How brain-dead would one have to be to think what he wrote is actually the case?  

[moon/Laura]

Apr 23, 2021 10:15:14 GMT -5 @x said:

Really isn't an issue, racism ended quite some time ago in this country. 

Maybe a small pocket here or there, that's about it.

Just.... what??! This is seriously so out of touch with reality I that I can't even fathom how deep the hole your head is buried in is.