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Post by Tennesseer on May 7, 2024 17:57:39 GMT -5
did she say WHY it was "imprudent"?
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Post by happyhoix on May 7, 2024 18:37:06 GMT -5
Judge in Trump’s classified documents case cancels May trial date; no new date setWASHINGTON (AP) — The federal judge in Florida presiding over the classified documents prosecution of former President Donald Trump has canceled the May 20 trial date, postponing it indefinitely. The order from U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon had been expected in light of still-unresolved issues in the case and because Trump is currently on trial in a separate case in Manhattan charging him in connection with hush money payments during the 2016 presidential election. The New York case involves several of the same lawyers representing him in the federal case in Florida. Cannon said in a five-page order Tuesday that it would be “imprudent” to finalize a new trial date now, casting further doubt on federal prosecutors’ ability to bring Trump to trial before the November presidential election. Trump faces dozens of felony counts accusing him of illegally hoarding at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida classified documents that he took with him after he left the White House in 2021, and then obstructing the FBI’s efforts to get them back. He has pleaded not guilty and denied wrongdoing. Trump faces four criminal cases as he seeks to reclaim the White House, but outside of the New York prosecution, it’s not clear that any of the other three will reach trial before the election. Judge in Trump’s classified documents case cancels May trial date; no new date set She’s done her best to keep kicking this thing down the road, and apparently now she’s not even going to pretend to schedule it until after the election. Can they force her to recuse herself or is she allowed to do that? There’s still six months until the election.
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Post by billisonboard on May 7, 2024 18:50:54 GMT -5
did she say WHY it was "imprudent"? “The Court ... determines that finalization of a trial date at this juncture—before resolution of the myriad and interconnected pre-trial and CIPA issues remaining and forthcoming—would be imprudent and inconsistent with the Court’s duty to fully and fairly consider the various pending pre-trial motions before the Court, critical CIPA issues, and additional pretrial and trial preparations necessary to present this case to a jury,” Cannon wrote Tuesday. “CIPA” is a reference to the Classified Information Procedures Act. link
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Post by Tennesseer on May 7, 2024 19:17:24 GMT -5
“The Court ... determines that finalization of a trial date at this juncture—before resolution of the myriad and interconnected pre-trial and CIPA issues remaining and forthcoming—would be imprudent and inconsistent with the Court’s duty to fully and fairly consider the various pending pre-trial motions before the Court, critical CIPA issues, and additional pretrial and trial preparations necessary to present this case to a jury,” Cannon wrote Tuesday. “CIPA” is a reference to the Classified Information Procedures Act. link It has almost been one year since trump was indicted for his sloshed crimes (June 8, 202$). One would think in all that time trump's lawyers would be ready to go to trial. Pretty cut and dry issues/charges.
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Post by happyhoix on May 8, 2024 9:24:42 GMT -5
“The Court ... determines that finalization of a trial date at this juncture—before resolution of the myriad and interconnected pre-trial and CIPA issues remaining and forthcoming—would be imprudent and inconsistent with the Court’s duty to fully and fairly consider the various pending pre-trial motions before the Court, critical CIPA issues, and additional pretrial and trial preparations necessary to present this case to a jury,” Cannon wrote Tuesday. “CIPA” is a reference to the Classified Information Procedures Act. link It has almost been one year since trump was indicted for his sloshed crimes (June 8, 202$). One would think in all that time trump's lawyers would be ready to go to trial. Pretty cut and dry issues/charges. Talking heads on TV this AM said that there are multiple motions that were filed months ago that Cannon has failed to act on. She’s been delaying this until she could claim it was too close to the election to move forward. Apparently nothing anyone can do about it except help re-elect Biden because if Trump gets into office the very first thing his DOJ head will do is kill this case forever, and once again Trump slips away from consequences, like he’s done his whole life.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 8, 2024 11:21:24 GMT -5
forever is a strong word.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 8, 2024 16:45:57 GMT -5
If you are interested in reading the daily trump trial transcripts, this link will take you to them. NEW YOK COURTS.GOV
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Post by Opti on May 9, 2024 0:02:37 GMT -5
I read some of the testimony at the link Tenn provided. I had wondered why Stormy testified about how her experience with Trump went, but now I get it. She was expecting just dinner, and he was expecting to have sex with her. In the testimony it does sound like she "blacked out" because she did not know how to get out of that situation safely. She ended up doing what he wanted, not what she wanted to do.
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Post by Opti on May 9, 2024 0:34:55 GMT -5
The whole thing is sad and not what I expected. The story is coming out because Trump's lawyers attacked her credibility, so now I know how gullible she was in believing Trump would ever get her on The Apprentice. I think she was operating from a sunk cost fallacy, she had already let Trump sleep with her so she should get on the show given he offered he could do that for her.
Having a hard time with the lawyer whining probably prompted by Trump. Yes, he looks bad because he did bad things. And it should be no surprise to many humans that if someone is placed into a power imbalance situation, they might forget parts of what happened because their mind does not want to remember. I'm not sure why they are too stupid to take the win that she feels she was not drugged and just go along with mental overload because of the obvious power imbalance of this woman compared to a man with a bodyguard and various protocols.
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Post by happyhoix on May 9, 2024 6:50:19 GMT -5
The whole thing is sad and not what I expected. The story is coming out because Trump's lawyers attacked her credibility, so now I know how gullible she was in believing Trump would ever get her on The Apprentice. I think she was operating from a sunk cost fallacy, she had already let Trump sleep with her so she should get on the show given he offered he could do that for her. Having a hard time with the lawyer whining probably prompted by Trump. Yes, he looks bad because he did bad things. And it should be no surprise to many humans that if someone is placed into a power imbalance situation, they might forget parts of what happened because their mind does not want to remember. I'm not sure why they are too stupid to take the win that she feels she was not drugged and just go along with mental overload because of the obvious power imbalance of this woman compared to a man with a bodyguard and various protocols. I don’t think Trump forgot what he did, I think he doesn’t think he did anything wrong because 1) he’s a narcissist, he never does anything wrong, and 2) he grew up in a rich kid/ private boarding school atmosphere where he considered himself a playboy. For men brought up that way women are trophies and objects put on earth for alpha men to take, and if you need to lie to them about getting them on your TV game show, that’s just part of the game. Porn stars aren’t‘good’ girls so they deserve what they get.
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Post by thyme4change on May 9, 2024 11:08:14 GMT -5
I read some of the testimony at the link Tenn provided. I had wondered why Stormy testified about how her experience with Trump went, but now I get it. She was expecting just dinner, and he was expecting to have sex with her. In the testimony it does sound like she "blacked out" because she did not know how to get out of that situation safely. She ended up doing what he wanted, not what she wanted to do. I think part of it is that he denies having sex with her at all. If he admitted it, they wouldn’t have had to put her on to offer evidence that it did happen. Although they may have had her tell the story to prove she had a negative experience and that is why she needed to get paid off.
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Post by bean29 on May 9, 2024 11:22:15 GMT -5
I also think there is a wide berth between how women feel about these issues and how men feel about it. I can tell you when my DD was in college the concept of a man my husband's age having a "trophy" my DD's age was pretty much revolting to me. One of my husband's close friends has a wife that qualifies as a "Trophy Wife" and I am at peace with it b/c I like her, so I just chose not to give if any space in my brain. Also, my husband's friend is good looking, and his faults extend to being a hard drinker but he not a womanizer. Trump is the kind of human most of us normally find to be gross. I told my DH just this week when we were watching coverage of Storm's questioning that I did not understand my brother and SIL complete MAGA support- yes, they are high income and pro-life, but normally Trump is not a person they would support. IDK if they would have preferred a different Republican Candidate or not, by the time the WI Primaries rolled around all the other R candidates had dropped out. He is not only revolting, he is openly Authoritarian, his platform is not democratic at all.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 9, 2024 12:50:29 GMT -5
I read some of the testimony at the link Tenn provided. I had wondered why Stormy testified about how her experience with Trump went, but now I get it. She was expecting just dinner, and he was expecting to have sex with her. In the testimony it does sound like she "blacked out" because she did not know how to get out of that situation safely. She ended up doing what he wanted, not what she wanted to do. I think part of it is that he denies having sex with her at all. If he admitted it, they wouldn’t have had to put her on to offer evidence that it did happen. Although they may have had her tell the story to prove she had a negative experience and that is why she needed to get paid off. i don't think this is plausible for TWO reasons: 1) why wouldn't he? i am speaking from his perspective, of course. the man clearly has no boundaries, and is highly impulsive. 2) Trump never spends money even on essential services that he is under verbal or written agreement to pay. and he has publicly said he did nothing wrong. so why wouldn't he just take his chances with some tabloid publishing the story? the ONLY story that makes sense is that he took advantage of her, like he does with everyone, including the American public en masse, and then disposed of her, like he does with everyone, including the American public en masse.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 9, 2024 12:55:07 GMT -5
PS- Trump claims to not even "know" her. that makes even less sense than claiming he didn't have sex with her. but then again, he apparently doesn't know anyone, when it is convenient. and what need is there to "know" your victims? none, really. in other words, not knowing her just adds to his guilt, from my perspective. same with E. Jean Carroll.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 9, 2024 16:48:52 GMT -5
can he rescind it? probably not. but that would be funny. I think that should be a contempt charge. Day off under false pretenses. And we all know he wasn't going to go to poor Barron's graduation anyway. He's not nearly important enough for his sperm donor to bother with. Feel bad for him, honestly.
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Post by seriousthistime on May 9, 2024 18:10:39 GMT -5
It has almost been one year since trump was indicted for his sloshed crimes (June 8, 202$). One would think in all that time trump's lawyers would be ready to go to trial. Pretty cut and dry issues/charges. Talking heads on TV this AM said that there are multiple motions that were filed months ago that Cannon has failed to act on. She’s been delaying this until she could claim it was too close to the election to move forward. Apparently nothing anyone can do about it except help re-elect Biden because if Trump gets into office the very first thing his DOJ head will do is kill this case forever, and once again Trump slips away from consequences, like he’s done his whole life. I saw a story a month or two ago about how Judge Cannon's law clerks were quitting. It would take some time to hire new law clerks and get them up to speed, then have them start on the pending motions, so it could take a while. Honestly, some of the pending motions are the sort that could be decided and a decision or order drafted in a couple of hours. Postponing a trial indefinitely was not something we would consider when I worked for the District Court. The judge I worked for was a "hold their feet to the fire" kind of guy. He'd been in private practice long enough to know that attorneys often want to drag things out forever, and routinely file motions for extension of time.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 9, 2024 19:11:02 GMT -5
can he rescind it? probably not. but that would be funny. I think that should be a contempt charge. Day off under false pretenses. And we all know he wasn't going to go to poor Barron's graduation anyway. He's not nearly important enough for his sperm donor to bother with. Feel bad for him, honestly. Barron is about to enter the political arena as a Florida delegate to the republican convention so he better get used to his irrelevance being on public display really quickly. By this step I believe his immunity from media scrutiny will also fall by the wayside. Very unfortunate for the kid IMO. news.yahoo.com/barron-trump-step-political-arena-024653206.html
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Post by thyme4change on May 9, 2024 21:33:59 GMT -5
can he rescind it? probably not. but that would be funny. I think that should be a contempt charge. Day off under false pretenses. And we all know he wasn't going to go to poor Barron's graduation anyway. He's not nearly important enough for his sperm donor to bother with. Feel bad for him, honestly. I would be surprised if he want to any of his kid’s high school graduations. Ivanka - maybe, maybe…
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Post by tallguy on May 9, 2024 21:39:29 GMT -5
I think that should be a contempt charge. Day off under false pretenses. And we all know he wasn't going to go to poor Barron's graduation anyway. He's not nearly important enough for his sperm donor to bother with. Feel bad for him, honestly. I would be surprised if he want to any of his kid’s high school graduations. Ivanka - maybe, maybe…I would guess he probably did that one...only because she is Daddy's little girl and to try and be around all of her friends at the afterparty. You know Daddy needs more little girls....
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Post by djAdvocate on May 9, 2024 22:37:45 GMT -5
I would be surprised if he want to any of his kid’s high school graduations. Ivanka - maybe, maybe…I would guess he probably did that one...only because she is Daddy's little girl and to try and be around all of her friends at the afterparty. You know Daddy needs more little girls....
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Post by Opti on May 10, 2024 0:24:30 GMT -5
I think that should be a contempt charge. Day off under false pretenses. And we all know he wasn't going to go to poor Barron's graduation anyway. He's not nearly important enough for his sperm donor to bother with. Feel bad for him, honestly. Barron is about to enter the political arena as a Florida delegate to the republican convention so he better get used to his irrelevance being on public display really quickly. By this step I believe his immunity from media scrutiny will also fall by the wayside. Very unfortunate for the kid IMO. news.yahoo.com/barron-trump-step-political-arena-024653206.htmlBeing a delegate at large like much of the extended Trump family is a bad move. He will learn to say no next time if this is not what he wanted.
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Post by Opti on May 10, 2024 1:16:28 GMT -5
Looks like I will have to wait for the clips from late night shows to come out as I am not finding articles sharing the burns of today's testimony. Apparently, she refuted one of Trump's lawyers trying by saying the equivalent of who would want to say they slept with Trump. I can tell much of the legal strategy must have come from Trump as it only seems to make more being revealed than less. The exchange below bothered me as if going to a workplace with vetted actors and planned scenes somehow is at all close to being ambushed on someone else's turf. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/defense-attacks-stormy-daniels-credibility-as-she-returns-to-the-stand-in-trumps-hush-money-trial/ar-BB1m4Jqf?ocid=BingNewsSearchOn Thursday, Necheles grilled Daniels on her description of the encounter in which she described fear and discomfort even as she consented to sex. She testified earlier this week that while she wasn’t physically menaced, she felt a “power imbalance” as Trump, in his hotel bedroom, stood between her and the door and propositioned her.
As for whether she felt compelled to have sex with him, she reiterated Thursday that he didn’t drug her or physically threaten her. But, she said, “My own insecurities, in that moment, kept me from saying no.”
Necheles suggested that her work in porn meant her story about being shocked and frightened by Trump’s alleged sexual advances was not believable.
“You’ve acted and had sex in over 200 porn movies, right?” Necheles asked. “And there are naked men and women having sex, including yourself, in those movies?”
Necheles continued: “But according to you, seeing a man sitting on a bed in a T-shirt and boxers was so upsetting that you got lightheaded. The blood left your hands and feet, and you felt like you were going to faint.”
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Post by happyhoix on May 10, 2024 7:16:53 GMT -5
Looks like I will have to wait for the clips from late night shows to come out as I am not finding articles sharing the burns of today's testimony. Apparently, she refuted one of Trump's lawyers trying by saying the equivalent of who would want to say they slept with Trump. I can tell much of the legal strategy must have come from Trump as it only seems to make more being revealed than less. The exchange below bothered me as if going to a workplace with vetted actors and planned scenes somehow is at all close to being ambushed on someone else's turf. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/defense-attacks-stormy-daniels-credibility-as-she-returns-to-the-stand-in-trumps-hush-money-trial/ar-BB1m4Jqf?ocid=BingNewsSearchOn Thursday, Necheles grilled Daniels on her description of the encounter in which she described fear and discomfort even as she consented to sex. She testified earlier this week that while she wasn’t physically menaced, she felt a “power imbalance” as Trump, in his hotel bedroom, stood between her and the door and propositioned her.
As for whether she felt compelled to have sex with him, she reiterated Thursday that he didn’t drug her or physically threaten her. But, she said, “My own insecurities, in that moment, kept me from saying no.”
Necheles suggested that her work in porn meant her story about being shocked and frightened by Trump’s alleged sexual advances was not believable.
“You’ve acted and had sex in over 200 porn movies, right?” Necheles asked. “And there are naked men and women having sex, including yourself, in those movies?”
Necheles continued: “But according to you, seeing a man sitting on a bed in a T-shirt and boxers was so upsetting that you got lightheaded. The blood left your hands and feet, and you felt like you were going to faint.”This happened 18 years ago, before the Me Too era, when it was understood that if you turned down a powerful and influential male he would crush your career. Stormy knew if she was going to be put on the Apprentice it would be be because Trump liked her. Ironically he still didn’t put her on the apprentice. I wonder what would happen now, 18 years later, if Trump tried that bullshit.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2024 11:54:34 GMT -5
i wonder what would have happened if he put her on the Apprentice?
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Post by happyhoix on May 10, 2024 13:37:24 GMT -5
i wonder what would have happened if he put her on the Apprentice? I understand she got really good grades in high school and a full scholarship to college but in the summer between high school and college she started exotic dancing and started down a whole different career path. So she’s smart, but I never watched the apprentice so I don’t know what would make a good contestant. Back then I don’t know if a porn star could have been on prime time TV. Now in the era of Housewives reality TV it probably wouldn’t matter.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on May 10, 2024 15:40:32 GMT -5
i wonder what would have happened if he put her on the Apprentice? I understand she got really good grades in high school and a full scholarship to college but in the summer between high school and college she started exotic dancing and started down a whole different career path. So she’s smart, but I never watched the apprentice so I don’t know what would make a good contestant. Back then I don’t know if a porn star could have been on prime time TV. Now in the era of Housewives reality TV it probably wouldn’t matter. Well these days, Donald Trump can be President and Melania can be the First “Lady”, so apparently it’s pretty much anything goes.
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Post by billisonboard on May 10, 2024 15:43:28 GMT -5
i wonder what would have happened if he put her on the Apprentice? Would have changed the catchphrase from, "You're Fired" to "You're Fucked."
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Post by Opti on May 10, 2024 17:50:13 GMT -5
i wonder what would have happened if he put her on the Apprentice? IDK. He apparently called her when a wrestler was on Celebrity Apprentice and his GF who was an adult film star was on camera(TV) in the show.
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