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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 8, 2021 15:33:59 GMT -5
This means that they have no need to toe the party like with regards to impeachment, right? That’ll help.
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Post by justme on Feb 8, 2021 16:56:42 GMT -5
Depends on their reasoning for not running again.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 8, 2021 17:15:51 GMT -5
John McCain had to be dying to defy the party. Jeff Flake spoke out against stuff, and then voted with the party on just about everything, even after he announced his retirement. I don't know the reputation of these guys, or why they are not seeking re-election. Maybe they are going to run on the Q platform for a presidential bid in 2024.  |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 8, 2021 19:28:44 GMT -5
John McCain had to be dying to defy the party. Jeff Flake spoke out against stuff, and then voted with the party on just about everything, even after he announced his retirement. I don't know the reputation of these guys, or why they are not seeking re-election. Maybe they are going to run on the Q platform for a presidential bid in 2024. Interesting about Jeff Flake. Up until about March 2017, he didn’t always follow the Trump party line. After this date, 100% of his voting did. I wonder if he announced at that time if he was not going up for re-election? Strange. projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/jeff-flake/ |
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 8, 2021 20:16:06 GMT -5
everyone hated trump and then 95% caved....why?
russian blackmail? ala Le pee tape or what not.....
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Post by nittanycheme on Feb 8, 2021 21:12:36 GMT -5
Well, Toomey voted that the impeachment should move forward, and didn't vote that any of the electoral votes should be invalidated. I think that he may actually vote based on the evidence. Not sure about the others.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 8, 2021 21:43:21 GMT -5
never mind all that.
this is 8% of the GOP caucus. it is not hard to imagine Democrats holding on to the Senate.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 8, 2021 22:04:46 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 8, 2021 22:52:56 GMT -5
everyone hated trump and then 95% caved....why? russian blackmail? ala Le pee tape or what not..... Are you seriously suggesting that Russia has blackmail evidence on all the Republican Congressmen? The reason is because Trump would fucking destroy your career if you so much commented negatively on his tie. |
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Feb 9, 2021 3:26:32 GMT -5
If their retirements usher in more of the likes of Josh Hawley, we are in trouble.
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Post by oped on Feb 9, 2021 6:43:44 GMT -5
From my Toomey letter on the subject... I’ve been cautiously optimistic... (Heck about half the time his form letters aren’t even on the topic I wrote about.)  |
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 9, 2021 8:25:50 GMT -5
everyone hated trump and then 95% caved....why? russian blackmail? ala Le pee tape or what not..... Are you seriously suggesting that Russia has blackmail evidence on all the Republican Congressmen? The reason is because Trump would fucking destroy your career if you so much commented negatively on his tie. Saw an article yesterday that all Trump is doing right now is plotting revenge on the 10 republicans who voted to impeach him. A petty, vengeful man with millions in PAC money he is willing to blow just to fuck over someone who pissed him off. |
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Post by oped on Feb 9, 2021 8:28:11 GMT -5
He has as much power as they give him. Frankly they are going to have to give in to the rabid part of their base and become full blown authoritarian, or dismiss that rabid faction and move on. The sooner they do it the better for the party long term... the better for us all long term.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 9, 2021 9:47:21 GMT -5
everyone hated trump and then 95% caved....why? russian blackmail? ala Le pee tape or what not..... Are you seriously suggesting that Russia has blackmail evidence on all the Republican Congressmen? The reason is because Trump would fucking destroy your career if you so much commented negatively on his tie. I suspect it has more to do with going along to get along. The Republicans were in a position to push it's agenda forward and I suspect they thought they had a President (they didn't like) but who they thought they could manipulate. There were also enough of pro trump elected officials at many levels. A single man (or woman) is not powerful - they become powerful when they have people who side with them OR who they can influence to do things (good or bad). It's like a clique in grade school or high school - the kid at the top is only at the top because they have "followers" or "enforcers" - without those they can't accomplish much (they have to ride on someone else's coattails (their parents??) to derive power. trump by himself has no power - even if you comment negatively on his tie. someone who supports trump might destroy you... with or without an ok from trump. I think trump is more a puppet than a power. maybe that's our difference when thinking about trump. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 9, 2021 14:13:41 GMT -5
If their retirements usher in more of the likes of Josh Hawley, we are in trouble. that thought occurred to me after I posted.  |
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 9, 2021 14:49:39 GMT -5
Trump has power. He has the undying affections of tens of millions.
He also has the "ya, but..." admiration of millions more. (Yes, he is gross, but...I got taxes, judges, deregulation, etc.)
He has money. He can advertise. He can go on tour. He can post on You Tube. He can get Parler back online and use that. He can fund raise and campaign for candidates that still support him. He can go on Newsmax and OAN and send out any message he wants (except the smartmatic thing).
He has power.
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 9, 2021 15:06:30 GMT -5
everyone hated trump and then 95% caved....why? russian blackmail? ala Le pee tape or what not..... I really wonder about that. I've considered that their kids or grandkids lives have been threatened. |
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