Ontario wants 1 million doses of US vaccine

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Not sure how I feel about this, considering we are in far worse shape than Canada is and need to get this under control.  

If we weren’t hurting so bad, no problem....but we are.

apnews.com/article/joe-biden-europe-ontario-coronavirus-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-d31d3d04af887a72496872d86c03d572

[justme]

After reading articles of Canadians coming down to Florida to get their vaccines I'm a little stingy. My governor did 65+ over those with conditions so I'm sitting here waiting for them to all get their vaccines before I can. 

[haapai]

Maybe it wouldn't hurt us a bit to send it to them.  With no distribution plan to speak of, we may not be able to get it into arms any time in the short term.  Heavens, we might not even be able to ship it to the states if their ultra-cold freezers are full.   Maybe shipping it to Canada will relieve congestion in our ultra-cold freezers and have absolutely no impact on the pace of vaccination in the US. 

OTOH, the optics of Biden's administration allowing this are pretty awful.  I don't think that critics of the move will listen to supply-chain and logistics experts. 

[Lizard Queen]

Um yeah, I live just an hour and a half drive from the plant in michigan, do you think I can get it? Our state is behind most others in vaccinations, despite the fact that they're made here.

[haapai]

Jan 21, 2021 14:39:48 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Um yeah, I live just an hour and a half drive from the plant in michigan, do you think I can get it? Our state is behind most others in vaccinations, despite the fact that they're made here.

I've often thought of doing the same.  I'd definitely be willing to drive almost exactly the same distance (twice) and snake my way through a parking lot distribution center (twice) just to speed up distribution of the awful-to-work-with Pfizer vaccine. 

I say this even though the way that the freeway ends in Kalamazoo freaks me out every time that I encounter it. 

[billisonboard]

Jan 21, 2021 14:02:15 GMT -5 haapai said:

Maybe it wouldn't hurt us a bit to send it to them.  With no distribution plan to speak of, we may not be able to get it into arms any time in the short term.  Heavens, we might not even be able to ship it to the states if their ultra-cold freezers are full.   Maybe shipping it to Canada will relieve congestion in our ultra-cold freezers and have absolutely no impact on the pace of vaccination in the US. 

OTOH, the optics of Biden's administration allowing this are pretty awful.  I don't think that critics of the move will listen to supply-chain and logistics experts. 

I find nothing that says they "are". A Canadian politician has asked them to share. Agree "if, then" on optics.

[NastyWoman]

Well, I am all for sharing but here we don't even have enough vaccine doses to inocculate the 75+ age group. Talk about shortages...

[thyme4change]

Maybe the 75 million Trump supporters (and their minor children) will forgo the vaccine and we can get it to believers sooner.

[mary2029]

While I would like to be vaccinated, companies are making the vaccines. We have a free market, so it isn't like the federal government has a say in how these are distributed at this time. 
When Biden invokes whatever the emergency act is named, then the federal government has a say.  Until then, the company can decide where the vaccines to go.  

[NastyWoman]

Jan 21, 2021 15:29:41 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Maybe the 75 million Trump supporters (and their minor children) will forgo the vaccine and we can get it to believers sooner.

If they are anything like their political leaders - not a friggin' chance. If anything they'll cheat to get to the fro t of the line 

[laterbloomer]

That's Ford, don't take him too seriously. His brother was our cocaine snorting Mayor of Toronto a few years ago. He's Conservative, you notice he never asked Trump for vaccines. Our numbers in the bigger cities are going up fast and he is trying to shift the focus. When he's up for reelection he's going to blame our PM and your President for not having vaccinations.

[Lizard Queen]

Jan 21, 2021 14:50:47 GMT -5 haapai said:

Jan 21, 2021 14:39:48 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Um yeah, I live just an hour and a half drive from the plant in michigan, do you think I can get it? Our state is behind most others in vaccinations, despite the fact that they're made here.

I've often thought of doing the same.  I'd definitely be willing to drive almost exactly the same distance (twice) and snake my way through a parking lot distribution center (twice) just to speed up distribution of the awful-to-work-with Pfizer vaccine. 

I say this even though the way that the freeway ends in Kalamazoo freaks me out every time that I encounter it. 

I have a zig-zag route to Portage, if memory serves me correctly. We don't go there very often, but my DH does have an Aunt and cousins that live down there.

ETA I googled. It's an easier drive to Pfizer than the aunt Rika's house. I'd head right over there for a shot, if they'd give me one!

[thyme4change]

Jan 21, 2021 15:31:38 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

While I would like to be vaccinated, companies are making the vaccines. We have a free market, so it isn't like the federal government has a say in how these are distributed at this time. 
When Biden invokes whatever the emergency act is named, then the federal government has a say.  Until then, the company can decide where the vaccines to go.  

Didn't the federal government pay for them?

I'm going off the contracts that were signed that had the number of vaccines the company would provide and the amount the US would pay per vaccine.

I know they ask for your insurance, so I am guessing they are billing private insurers for those doses, but if the feds paid the bill, they can absolutely tell us who is allowed to get it.

We know they aren't being distributed by the free market, for hundreds of reasons. Biden may change the distribution plan, but I don't think he has to invoke anything to do it.

[minnesotapaintlady]

Jan 21, 2021 15:52:14 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jan 21, 2021 15:31:38 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

While I would like to be vaccinated, companies are making the vaccines. We have a free market, so it isn't like the federal government has a say in how these are distributed at this time. 
When Biden invokes whatever the emergency act is named, then the federal government has a say.  Until then, the company can decide where the vaccines to go.  

Didn't the federal government pay for them?

I'm going off the contracts that were signed that had the number of vaccines the company would provide and the amount the US would pay per vaccine.

I know they ask for your insurance, so I am guessing they are billing private insurers for those doses, but if the feds paid the bill, they can absolutely tell us who is allowed to get it.

We know they aren't being distributed by the free market, for hundreds of reasons. Biden may change the distribution plan, but I don't think he has to invoke anything to do it.

Yes, the government is buying the vaccines and it seems like the only fair route to take despite the government making everything so complicated.  I can't imagine how it would be if it was free market to the highest bidder.  There would be companies like mine buying up doses to give to their employees while poor and elderly went without.

[thyme4change]

Jan 21, 2021 16:08:01 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Jan 21, 2021 15:52:14 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Didn't the federal government pay for them?

I'm going off the contracts that were signed that had the number of vaccines the company would provide and the amount the US would pay per vaccine.

I know they ask for your insurance, so I am guessing they are billing private insurers for those doses, but if the feds paid the bill, they can absolutely tell us who is allowed to get it.

We know they aren't being distributed by the free market, for hundreds of reasons. Biden may change the distribution plan, but I don't think he has to invoke anything to do it.

Yes, the government is buying the vaccines and it seems like the only fair route to take despite the government making everything so complicated.  I can't imagine how it would be if it was free market to the highest bidder.  There would be companies like mine buying up doses to give to their employees while poor and elderly went without.

Exactly. I would pay an exorbitant amount to vaccinate my family right now. All those high risk 'others' can suck it!

[mary2029]

Jan 21, 2021 15:52:14 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jan 21, 2021 15:31:38 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

While I would like to be vaccinated, companies are making the vaccines. We have a free market, so it isn't like the federal government has a say in how these are distributed at this time. 
When Biden invokes whatever the emergency act is named, then the federal government has a say.  Until then, the company can decide where the vaccines to go.  

Didn't the federal government pay for them?

I'm going off the contracts that were signed that had the number of vaccines the company would provide and the amount the US would pay per vaccine.

I know they ask for your insurance, so I am guessing they are billing private insurers for those doses, but if the feds paid the bill, they can absolutely tell us who is allowed to get it.

We know they aren't being distributed by the free market, for hundreds of reasons. Biden may change the distribution plan, but I don't think he has to invoke anything to do it.

I've heard the federal government paid for X vaccines.  I don't know if there was a delivery date. If companies make X+Y, they can sell Y. 

For example, one of the buildings at the site I work at produce N95s. It was set up that 50% of the N95s were to go to federal government; 50% to whomever else. They also have increased production significantly since 8 months ago. The federal stockpile for N95s is full, so now all/majority of the masks are up for sale. 

[thyme4change]

Jan 21, 2021 17:17:41 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

Jan 21, 2021 15:52:14 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Didn't the federal government pay for them?

I'm going off the contracts that were signed that had the number of vaccines the company would provide and the amount the US would pay per vaccine.

I know they ask for your insurance, so I am guessing they are billing private insurers for those doses, but if the feds paid the bill, they can absolutely tell us who is allowed to get it.

We know they aren't being distributed by the free market, for hundreds of reasons. Biden may change the distribution plan, but I don't think he has to invoke anything to do it.

I've heard the federal government paid for X vaccines.  I don't know if there was a delivery date. If companies make X+Y, they can sell Y. 

For example, one of the buildings at the site I work at produce N95s. It was set up that 50% of the N95s were to go to federal government; 50% to whomever else. They also have increased production significantly since 8 months ago. The federal stockpile for N95s is full, so now all/majority of the masks are up for sale. 

I could be wrong, but I don't think there are extra doses floating around. I dont think the manufacturers are even hitting deadlines for the contracts they have. They have contracts with other countries.

I have seen zero evidence that there are any doses on the free market. It seems unlikely to me that there will be excess doses anytime soon. And if everyone can get them free during phase 2, which is supposed to start in late spring, I don't know how much people will be willing to pay for the vaccine.

[justme]

Jan 21, 2021 16:08:01 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Jan 21, 2021 15:52:14 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Didn't the federal government pay for them?

I'm going off the contracts that were signed that had the number of vaccines the company would provide and the amount the US would pay per vaccine.

I know they ask for your insurance, so I am guessing they are billing private insurers for those doses, but if the feds paid the bill, they can absolutely tell us who is allowed to get it.

We know they aren't being distributed by the free market, for hundreds of reasons. Biden may change the distribution plan, but I don't think he has to invoke anything to do it.

Yes, the government is buying the vaccines and it seems like the only fair route to take despite the government making everything so complicated.  I can't imagine how it would be if it was free market to the highest bidder.  There would be companies like mine buying up doses to give to their employees while poor and elderly went without.

My mom mentioned today that a local chain that is distributing vaccines at its stores (they do have a pharmacy in it) has been vaccinating their warehouse workers. Which, if true is NOT following the governor orders as he said only healthcare workers and 65+ moving essential workers down the line. I'm guessing they negotiated it as part of their agreement to disperse the vaccine - I have no idea if any of the government is actually paying for the manpower to administer the vaccines or not. I also did not fact check her story. 

[mary2029]

Jan 21, 2021 21:46:26 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jan 21, 2021 17:17:41 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

I've heard the federal government paid for X vaccines.  I don't know if there was a delivery date. If companies make X+Y, they can sell Y. 

For example, one of the buildings at the site I work at produce N95s. It was set up that 50% of the N95s were to go to federal government; 50% to whomever else. They also have increased production significantly since 8 months ago. The federal stockpile for N95s is full, so now all/majority of the masks are up for sale. 

I could be wrong, but I don't think there are extra doses floating around. I dont think the manufacturers are even hitting deadlines for the contracts they have. They have contracts with other countries.

I have seen zero evidence that there are any doses on the free market. It seems unlikely to me that there will be excess doses anytime soon. And if everyone can get them free during phase 2, which is supposed to start in late spring, I don't know how much people will be willing to pay for the vaccine.

The article stated that the manufacturing facility oversees is down so they CAN increase production and they expect to meet the contract deadline for Canada and the rest of the world.

It doesn't matter as Biden has stated that he wants 100 MM people to be vaccinated in 100 days. Sorry Canada.

[thyme4change]

I hope there are a bunch of excess doses for sale soon. I would love to jump the line.

[Tiny]

Jan 21, 2021 15:32:15 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jan 21, 2021 15:29:41 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Maybe the 75 million Trump supporters (and their minor children) will forgo the vaccine and we can get it to believers sooner.

If they are anything like their political leaders - not a friggin' chance. If anything they'll cheat to get to the fro t of the line 

I'm assuming that is why Florida seems to have so very many doses of vaccine....even though the hospitalized/death rate is way below the national average... no one is dying down there - why do they need all the doses??  

(sorry couldn't help it.  I'm being snarky...  I'll go sit in the corner for awhile.) 

[bean29]

I signed up on the Meijer Vaccine list this am.  I am in my late 50's, no priority.  Asked DH to register himself too - he is diabetic, so he will have a higher priority.  I usually get my Vaccines at Meijer or Walgreens anyways.  

I really want to register my in-laws.  I think my Mom would have registered herself the other day.  DH said his Dr (in-laws see same DR.) said they hospitals will contact patients to schedule vaccines...but they are not ready yet.  DH was talking about My Chart.  He does not use my Chart.  I have My Chart for One Hospital Chain and One Pharmacy I think.  I need to get it set up for one more - it used to be harder to set up for multiple entities but they fixed something.

DH does not do apps on his phone.  I happen to like them, so I have pages and pages of apps.