To Protect and Serve.....

[weltschmerz]

Buffalo cops resign from unit in protest after two of their own are suspended for injuring 75-year-old
ALBANY, N.Y. – An entire unit of the Buffalo Police Department resigned from their assignments Friday after two officers were suspended amid outcry over video showing officers shoving a 75-year-old man to the ground, according to the Buffalo News and other media outlets.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/05/buffalo-new-york-police-officers-suspended-shoving-man-ground/3153626001/

They forcefully pushed an old man, then walked past him as he lay bleeding on the ground with severe injuries.
Then they had the unmitigated gall to say he tripped!

Things are going from bad to worse, but it's a GREAT DAY!

[mollyanna58]

That says the entire unit felt pushing someone down and walking past an injured person is acceptable behavior; that they are punishing the city by resigning.


The phrase "good riddance to bad rubbish" comes to mind.

[teen persuasion]

I saw the video past night on Twitter. It's been an unbelievable few days in Buffalo, so I'm sure the police are on edge.

First, a 20 yo tried to burn City Hall; he threw a basket of burning material into a broken window.

Next night, one Bflo officer and 2 state troopers are injured when an SUV runs thru the line of officers, running one over (shattered pelvis) essentially in front of a Station House.

So curfews were reinstated, and that group of officers had just cleared Niagara Square to open it to traffic again. The man was pushed down right in front of City Hall (remember the arsonist?).

I'm torn - he WAS pushed, no doubt. One officer tried to go to him, was obviously turned back, told to follow orders. The mass quit was because they were following orders. They didn't quit the police force, they quit the Response Team. I'm not sure how to interpret that part - we don't need the hassle of being on this team, if following orders hurts us / community? Not putting ourselves in front of SUVs/firebugs/felons with guns and then get suspended w/o pay? Is it a pushback to the Response Team leader's orders, or the suspension?

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Presumably, the older gentleman who was shoved to the ground was trying to return one of their helmets that had been left behind.  I've watched several clips of it this morning and the action was appalling - even more so when one of the other cops stopped to help him and was dragged away.  

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 5, 2020 16:22:23 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

I saw the video past night on Twitter. It's been an unbelievable few days in Buffalo, so I'm sure the police are on edge.

First, a 20 yo tried to burn City Hall; he threw a basket of burning material into a broken window.

Next night, one Bflo officer and 2 state troopers are injured when an SUV runs thru the line of officers, running one over (shattered pelvis) essentially in front of a Station House.

So curfews were reinstated, and that group of officers had just cleared Niagara Square to open it to traffic again. The man was pushed down right in front of City Hall (remember the arsonist?).

I'm torn - he WAS pushed, no doubt. One officer tried to go to him, was obviously turned back, told to follow orders. The mass quit was because they were following orders. They didn't quit the police force, they quit the Response Team. I'm not sure how to interpret that part - we don't need the hassle of being on this team, if following orders hurts us / community? Not putting ourselves in front of SUVs/firebugs/felons with guns and then get suspended w/o pay? Is it a pushback to the Response Team leader's orders, or the suspension?

The just following order’s doesn’t cut it. If they had any humanity, they would have ensured he was getting the help he needed before going away. One officer apparently got it right.

[justme]

Shit I misread this at first. I thought they resigned because the idiots that did the shoving weren't fired or anything. 

Damn. On the upside Buffalo police may be a lot better off now. 

[Opti]

Jun 5, 2020 16:22:23 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

I saw the video past night on Twitter. It's been an unbelievable few days in Buffalo, so I'm sure the police are on edge.

First, a 20 yo tried to burn City Hall; he threw a basket of burning material into a broken window.

Next night, one Bflo officer and 2 state troopers are injured when an SUV runs thru the line of officers, running one over (shattered pelvis) essentially in front of a Station House.

So curfews were reinstated, and that group of officers had just cleared Niagara Square to open it to traffic again. The man was pushed down right in front of City Hall (remember the arsonist?).

I'm torn - he WAS pushed, no doubt. One officer tried to go to him, was obviously turned back, told to follow orders. The mass quit was because they were following orders. They didn't quit the police force, they quit the Response Team. I'm not sure how to interpret that part - we don't need the hassle of being on this team, if following orders hurts us / community? Not putting ourselves in front of SUVs/firebugs/felons with guns and then get suspended w/o pay? Is it a pushback to the Response Team leader's orders, or the suspension?

This is the problem when bad things happen. As a cop you never know if someone who appears OK is actually going to seriously harm you or not. A cop in NY had his throat slashed. I think the only thing that really helped is the guy used a steak knife. 

Unfortunately we can't go back in time and do this right. If they had asked the man to stay six feet away and then leave the helmet on the sidewalk perhaps this could have been avoided. 

[weltschmerz]

Jun 5, 2020 16:39:43 GMT -5 justme said:

Shit I misread this at first. I thought they resigned because the idiots that did the shoving weren't fired or anything. 

Damn. On the upside Buffalo police may be a lot better off now. 

Yes, this is much worse.

[jelloshots4all]

I don't want to see any violence against police.  HOWEVER, knocking down a 75 yr old man who was not causing trouble, letting him bleed on the ground, pushing the officer away who wanted to help, is FUCKING wrong!!  Then the police denying it  I've told my white kids to have their phones ready at all times to take a video

[teen persuasion]

There's more to this story:video from before the shove.

Twitter link

Mr. Gugino was planning some confrontation with the police. The video is of a group upset with whatever he was planning. Hard to hear any of it, but one man said something to the effect of, "he's looking to get punched in the face".

There was mention elsewhere that Mr. Gugino had already been asked to leave 3 times, started poking them.

The helmet in his hand was a motorcycle helmet.

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 6, 2020 10:46:44 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

There's more to this story:video from before the shove.

Twitter link

Mr. Gugino was planning some confrontation with the police. The video is of a group upset with whatever he was planning. Hard to hear any of it, but one man said something to the effect of, "he's looking to get punched in the face".

There was mention elsewhere that Mr. Gugino had already been asked to leave 3 times, started poking them.

The helmet in his hand was a motorcycle helmet.

Police should be de-escalating a situation. If they are incapable of that, arrest him. Pushing an elderly man, who was unarmed was wrong. Doing what they did surely didn’t help matters

[teen persuasion]

Then there's politicians looking to capitalize on the issue, because they need free airtime advertising.

Stefan Mychajliw's statement backing the police officers

"I stand strong behind these Buffalo Police officers and all members of law enforcement. Cops are under attack from agitating, extremist radicals that crave anarchy and chaos. Enough is enough,"

There was a good bit more Trump-speak. It's hilarious, the 3 republican candidates running in the primary for NY 27 (convicted felon Chris Collins seat) are each trying to out-Trump the others. Millionaire Chris Jacobs (Delaware-North family) has the party nod, and Trump's endorsement, but he's a former Democrat so gets labelled
a RINO . Beth Parlato is very Trumpish, but Jacobs' ads label her a never-Trumper because she didn't vote in the 2016 primary (didn't support Trump when he really needed it). Stefan Mychajliw is trying to prove HE's the bestest Trumpet, ever.


Hopefully they divide the R vote, and Nate McMurray turns the gerrymandered district blue.

[Opti]

Great. (not) I hope he learned that choosing to stir shit sometimes means your shit gets stirred. 

[teen persuasion]

Jun 6, 2020 11:15:00 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jun 6, 2020 10:46:44 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

There's more to this story:video from before the shove.

Twitter link

Mr. Gugino was planning some confrontation with the police. The video is of a group upset with whatever he was planning. Hard to hear any of it, but one man said something to the effect of, "he's looking to get punched in the face".

There was mention elsewhere that Mr. Gugino had already been asked to leave 3 times, started poking them.

The helmet in his hand was a motorcycle helmet.

Police should be de-escalating a situation. If they are incapable of that, arrest him. Pushing an elderly man, who was unarmed was wrong. Doing what they did surely didn’t help matters

They should be de-escalating. It was interesting that after the entire Response Team quit, that evening protests were peaceful.  Hmm

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 6, 2020 11:32:54 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Jun 6, 2020 11:15:00 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Police should be de-escalating a situation. If they are incapable of that, arrest him. Pushing an elderly man, who was unarmed was wrong. Doing what they did surely didn’t help matters

They should be de-escalating. It was interesting that after the entire Response Team quit, that evening protests were peaceful.  Hmm

Good riddance. If they can’t get with the program, replace them and get a better class of police

[teen persuasion]

Jun 6, 2020 11:43:01 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jun 6, 2020 11:32:54 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

They should be de-escalating. It was interesting that after the entire Response Team quit, that evening protests were peaceful.  Hmm

Good riddance. If they can’t get with the program, replace them and get a better class of police

They didn't resign the police force, only the Response Team.