New charges in Floyd murder

[mmhmm]

I'd like to know how these officers are being trained to execute that particular maneuver. It's often called "the sleeper" because it can cause a person to lose consciousness. There are good reasons for that.  They're known as the carotid artery, the trachea, and (with an officer on the guy's back) the diaphragm. I'm going to hazard a bet officers are taught the danger of applying this "hold" and how and when to use it. To leave that out of their training would be unconscionable. If, on the other hand, they are taught, they knew what they were doing.

[haapai]

Jun 4, 2020 12:20:22 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I'd like to know how these officers are being trained to execute that particular maneuver. It's often called "the sleeper" because it can cause a person to lose consciousness. There are good reasons for that.  They're known as the carotid artery, the trachea, and (with an officer on the guy's back) the diaphragm. I'm going to hazard a bet officers are taught the danger of applying this "hold" and how and when to use it. To leave that out of their training would be unconscionable. If, on the other hand, they are taught, they knew what they were doing.

This is slightly off-topic and I can't figure out how to write an appropriate transition. 

There are things caught on film that chill my blood.  I've only watched highly edited versions of what was caught on film but some of what I saw disturbs the f*** out of me.  Did anyone else get chills when a police car came onto the scene and parked directly in the line of sight of a camera in a business across the street?  Did anyone else catch how the cops pushed Floyd George into the police car from the sidewalk and then almost immediately opened the streetside door and pulled him out?  Is anyone else slightly disturbed by the postures that Lane and Kueng were in when they were holding down Floyd George's legs and how that meant that their body cams would have a great view of the side of the police car and not of Floyd George.

There seems to be all sorts of training in this incident.  Some of the choices that were made make very little sense unless they were the result of some sort of training. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 4, 2020 12:20:22 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I'd like to know how these officers are being trained to execute that particular maneuver. It's often called "the sleeper" because it can cause a person to lose consciousness. There are good reasons for that.  They're known as the carotid artery, the trachea, and (with an officer on the guy's back) the diaphragm. I'm going to hazard a bet officers are taught the danger of applying this "hold" and how and when to use it. To leave that out of their training would be unconscionable. If, on the other hand, they are taught, they knew what they were doing.

Even people who know what they are doing make mistakes (not saying that was the case here).  IMO it shouldn't be used at all, especially on someone who is already on the ground handcuffed.  

I'm sure safety is part of their training but we're also inoculated since birth that certain people "need" extra handling when encountering the police therefore it's not "excessive force" it's something you "have" to do.  Look at how much justification has been used already on these boards for what the cops did.

Cops kill a black man. . .well if that black guy there didn't shoot a cop then they wouldn't have to fear black people.  Therefore pulling a gun on any and all black people is a natural response and justified.   The same can be applied to chokeholds.

Yet mass shooters tend to be white men. .. I didn't see cops in fear for their live and choking out/shooting those white male "protesters" as they stormed the capital and demanded the head of the mayor.  

[Opti]

Jun 4, 2020 13:30:39 GMT -5 haapai said:

Jun 4, 2020 12:20:22 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I'd like to know how these officers are being trained to execute that particular maneuver. It's often called "the sleeper" because it can cause a person to lose consciousness. There are good reasons for that.  They're known as the carotid artery, the trachea, and (with an officer on the guy's back) the diaphragm. I'm going to hazard a bet officers are taught the danger of applying this "hold" and how and when to use it. To leave that out of their training would be unconscionable. If, on the other hand, they are taught, they knew what they were doing.

This is slightly off-topic and I can't figure out how to write an appropriate transition. 

There are things caught on film that chill my blood.  I've only watched highly edited versions of what was caught on film but some of what I saw disturbs the f*** out of me.  Did anyone else get chills when a police car came onto the scene and parked directly in the line of sight of a camera in a business across the street?  Did anyone else catch how the cops pushed Floyd George into the police car from the sidewalk and then almost immediately opened the streetside door and pulled him out?  Is anyone else slightly disturbed by the postures that Lane and Kueng were in when they were holding down Floyd George's legs and how that meant that their body cams would have a great view of the side of the police car and not of Floyd George.

There seems to be all sorts of training in this incident.  Some of the choices that were made make very little sense unless they were the result of some sort of training. 

I've seen some of that and I really do not understand why if you have someone in the back seat of the car you don't just close the doors instead of pulling them into the street. I haven't seen as much as you have, but yes it seems like planned wrong doing. 

[billisonboard]

Jun 4, 2020 11:51:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 4, 2020 11:23:32 GMT -5 Opti said:

OK Bills, how does one flash a knee showing intent to cause fear when someone is already on the ground with their head turned away?

I think they have him for 2nd degree under this clause:

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

Sorry but have to totally disagree that this applies. What court issued an "order of protection"?
CHAPTER 518B. DOMESTIC ABUSE
609.748 HARASSMENT; RESTRAINING ORDER.

[billisonboard]

Jun 4, 2020 11:23:32 GMT -5 Opti said:

OK Bills, how does one flash a knee showing intent to cause fear when someone is already on the ground with their head turned away?

verbally or non-verbally through increased pressure at critical points

[haapai]

this link should take you to something like the video that I was referring to earlier.  It's from the NYT and is likely paywalled.  It also appears to have had the audio edited/changed to reflect later developments, including the upgrading of charges against Chauvin and the charges brought against the other three officers on the scene.  Only the over-dubbing appears to have been updated, the sequence of everything else does not appear to have changed. 

The cops appear to be quite aware of what is being taped.  They appear to have taken action to block the cameras, evade the cameras, make sure that body-cams captured little, and to intimidate folks pointing cell phones at them. 

The degree of camera-savvy that they show is terrifying.  You can call it training or practice but it is still really chilling. These cops appear to know that cameras are recording and it does not appear to have changed their behavior for the better. 

[djAdvocate]

Jun 4, 2020 14:43:54 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 4, 2020 11:51:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I think they have him for 2nd degree under this clause:

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

Sorry but have to totally disagree that this applies. What court issued an "order of protection"?
CHAPTER 518B. DOMESTIC ABUSE
609.748 HARASSMENT; RESTRAINING ORDER.

thanks for looking it up, bills.  I stand corrected.