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Post by teen persuasion on May 13, 2020 10:41:35 GMT -5
NY reopening phases, region by region as we meet all 7 criteria, 2 weeks between each:
Phase One: Construction; manufacturing and wholesale supply chain; select retail with curbside pickup.
Phase Two: Professional services; finance and insurance; retail; administrative support; real estate/rental leasing.
Phase Three: Restaurant/food services; hotels/accommodations.
Phase Four: Arts/entertainment/recreation; education
My region will not be reopening in the first round after May 15 pause expires (hospitalization rates increased in last 3 days, so not meeting 14 day declines). County next door can reopen Saturday in phase 1.
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Post by haapai on May 13, 2020 11:05:39 GMT -5
I live in MI. I think that we'll land up following your regional approach and I like the phases that your state has taken. They appear to be based in epidemiology.
If I had children, having education closed until phase four would hurt badly. It's not going to be popular and it will be particularly difficult for working parents of children too young to be left alone. There's definitely an argument that could be made for opening up education in stages with the youngest kids first but the first person to make that argument will catch an enormous amount of flak.
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 13, 2020 11:21:09 GMT -5
I think Maryland is changing to a regional approach today. It was a state plan but the larger metro areas have said they are not ready for the first step. The smaller areas away from the Baltimore/DC metro feel ready to reopen. The governor is giving an update tonight on phase one so that's the expectation.
To move through the phases he's tracking hospitalizations and use of ICU beds. The final phase requires a FDA approved, widely available vaccine or an effective treatment.
There is a distinct possibility school will be a combination of online and in person in the fall. One of my family members is an administrator at a private high school. They are reconfiguring classes and capacity based on desks being six feet apart. What once held 20 will now hold 12.
The public schools are still trying to finish the remainder of the year. I don't think they are that far ahead in the planning for next year.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 12:09:16 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, as soon as the local Sheriff/DA issued a written decree that there would be no arrests or tickets for businesses who opened, everything here opened. I don't think at this point there's a single store or business closed.
I shopped yesterday and saw 1 person with a mask. There's still some social distancing in stores with signs saying the state mandates it and to please comply so the state doesn't close them down.
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Post by lynnerself on May 13, 2020 13:26:19 GMT -5
In Oregon each county must submit a plan showing how they have met the required 7 criteria to open for phase one.
Most counties have applied, even mine which currently has the highest rate on new infections. I haven't read our plan to see how we can possibly comply. Some things were never shut down here. Like construction and manufacturing. Instead of designating essential services, the governor listed which businesses had to close. "Counties that are approved will be allowed to begin Phase 1 of reopening on Friday, May 15. In Phase 1 of the governor’s plan, restrictions will be eased for:
Restaurants and bars for sit-down service: Requirements include 6 feet of social distancing; a limit of groups to parties of 10 or fewer; food and drink consumption must end by 10 p.m.; and workers are required to wear masks. Barbers, salons and massage businesses: Requirements include social distancing; appointment-only; and a personal protective equipment and customer list.
Gyms and fitness centers: Requirements include a maximum gathering limit; social distancing; and sanitation.
In-person gatherings: Up to 25 people, no travel
Independent from county Phase 1 reopenings, beginning May 15, restrictions will be eased for childcare facilities and some other retail businesses across the state.
Child care facilities will be allowed to expand operations and some summer schools, camps and youth programs will be able to resume. There will be limitations and specific requirements, including social distancing procedures.
Details and health and safety guidelines for daycares, summer schools, camps and youth programs will be finalized this week"
No details are out for phase 2 or 3
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Post by teen persuasion on May 13, 2020 14:25:15 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, as soon as the local Sheriff/DA issued a written decree that there would be no arrests or tickets for businesses who opened, everything here opened. I don't think at this point there's a single store or business closed. I shopped yesterday and saw 1 person with a mask. There's still some social distancing in stores with signs saying the state mandates it and to please comply so the state doesn't close them down. When things first shut down, and restaurants/bars had to go to takeout only, a few bars quietly continued happy hours. They got caught, and they were reported to the state liquor licensing board. A few days later their liquor license was yanked. Maybe one or two more tried that stunt, and got the same result. That's the only enforcement that I've heard of, but the news is asking workers to report employers who violate the rules.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 14:52:22 GMT -5
I can't find the detailed list of businesses for my state (Missouri) but I don't see a mad rush to open up even where it's permitted. Hair salons may open with appropriate precautions but maybe 1/5 of the Great Clips franchises are open. A few more are scheduled for next week. Churches are allowed to re-open but the Bishop of my Episcopal Diocese has set criteria for re-opening and we're unlikely to meet them before the end of May. The very large Roman Catholic church in the same city has re-started services but is restricting attendance to 85 people. Not sure what their full capacity is. They have only 69 COVID-19 cases in that county and that number has held steady for the last few days. Dentists can practice. Mine is in KS (also allowing dentists to open starting May 4) but I haven't heard from him. My neighbor's wife started a job with one of the mega-employers last year. They have a special-needs daughter and she'd explained she needed to work reasonable hours (40-50/week). They agreed. Boss turned out to be big on "face time" and if you weren't still toiling away in the office at 7 PM every night you weren't a team player. She was really stressed out. Now she's working from home and Control Freak Boss is so paranoid about COVID-19 they're going to be WFH at least till November. Neighbor's wife is thrilled. Gyms won't open till Phase II and Phase I will last "at least 2 weeks". I really want to go back to the gym. I'm encouraged that some people and businesses are using their judgment and exercising more caution. I'm not saying they're right- who knows what's right? - but in the end we have to live with the consequences of our own decisions.
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 13, 2020 15:19:18 GMT -5
It’s being done in phases, backed by hard data. Business and government have partnered so that anyone who wants a coronavirus test and meats or rather flimsy criteria, can get one for free. Our state is run by Republicans, but they’re not the crazy kind.
Schools are online for the rest of the year. Nobody knows if they’re going to open them in the fall. Office workers are all working from home, and should stay that way for the forseeable future. Some businesses are allowed to open up, if they can maintain social distancing. I went to the church for the first time since the lockdown this week. It was restricted to 20 people and we had to wear masks.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 15:41:55 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, as soon as the local Sheriff/DA issued a written decree that there would be no arrests or tickets for businesses who opened, everything here opened. I don't think at this point there's a single store or business closed. I shopped yesterday and saw 1 person with a mask. There's still some social distancing in stores with signs saying the state mandates it and to please comply so the state doesn't close them down. When things first shut down, and restaurants/bars had to go to takeout only, a few bars quietly continued happy hours. They got caught, and they were reported to the state liquor licensing board. A few days later their liquor license was yanked. Maybe one or two more tried that stunt, and got the same result. That's the only enforcement that I've heard of, but the news is asking workers to report employers who violate the rules. The notice linked below let businesses know they are at risk from the state if reported, but seems to be asking other people to just stay home if it bothers you and let business owners decide. We had one industrious business who was holding raffles each day for their furniture pieces. I thought it was a great idea. Some idiot reported them to the state and they were called and told to shut it down. I've honestly given up caring about what other people/businesses do. This area has a ton of tourists/travelers right now and if they want to stop and shop that's their right. I expect we will have an outbreak at some point. I think there will be many people here who will be shocked and outraged when it happens. www.facebook.com/HarneyCoSheriff/photos/a.1053224794728973/3224451637606267/?type=3&theater
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Post by giramomma on May 13, 2020 19:29:21 GMT -5
Well, as of now, no restrictions unless your county enacts something. Folks can go ahead and party like it's 1999.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 21:15:31 GMT -5
Well, as of now, no restrictions unless your county enacts something. Folks can go ahead and party like it's 1999.
You mean 1917?
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Post by Opti on May 14, 2020 7:47:24 GMT -5
1919. The Spanish flu took awhile to spread through the US much the virus will take time to spread now.
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Post by busymom on May 14, 2020 7:50:55 GMT -5
In our old neighborhood in FL, Great Clips just opened back up yesterday. Some of the retail & restaurants have opened back up there, but there is greater distance between the tables.
Here, we'll slowly begin to open up on Monday, although a number of categories of businesses are supposed to remain closed, including places where you could get a haircut. I'm in no hurry. I'll let the first wave of customers go in, without me, and we'll see how they do.
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Post by oped on May 14, 2020 7:57:49 GMT -5
I read yesterday a barber in New York who had been defying orders for 3 weeks and cutting hair just tested positive... will be an interesting study to see how many end up infected.
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 14, 2020 11:09:44 GMT -5
Like the fucking wild west. No guidance, no consistency, no masks, no social distancing. If republicans wanted to reopen THEY should have presented a plan. It's BS!!!
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Post by giramomma on May 14, 2020 11:41:09 GMT -5
Like the fucking wild west. No guidance, no consistency, no masks, no social distancing. If republicans wanted to reopen THEY should have presented a plan. It's BS!!! FWIW, I do find it comforting that you are as upset about it as DH and I are.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 14, 2020 11:55:41 GMT -5
Hey, you can be an example for the rest of us, whether good or bad, who knows
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 12:03:19 GMT -5
Like the fucking wild west. No guidance, no consistency, no masks, no social distancing. If republicans wanted to reopen THEY should have presented a plan. It's BS!!! FWIW, I do find it comforting that you are as upset about it as DH and I are. So.much.this! Nothing has changed since the day we locked down. Nothing. It's like the government made the decision to take our chances and go for herd immunity (and it's not even proven that's possible) without coming out and saying it. By not admitting it, they make all the governors, local public health, etc... the ones to blame when the inevitable outbreaks blow up. The administration will stand up at the podium in July and will be blaming all the states for opening up without following the guidelines that don't actually exist. No blame for them and all those unnecessary deaths are someone else's problem. If only the states would have listened to their stable genius advice so many people would have been saved... It's insanity. And, what pisses me off the most is the Republicans in office who seem to bend over to Trump instead of standing up to this complete bullshit lack of leadership.
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Post by busymom on May 14, 2020 12:06:09 GMT -5
<sigh> Even though things will begin to open up on Monday, we've got another idiot group of protesters at the governor's residence. Gotta have their liberty, you know. (Freedom to die, in a most unpleasant manner...)
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 14, 2020 12:12:07 GMT -5
FWIW, I do find it comforting that you are as upset about it as DH and I are. So.much.this! Nothing has changed since the day we locked down. Nothing. It's like the government made the decision to take our chances and go for herd immunity (and it's not even proven that's possible) without coming out and saying it. By not admitting it, they make all the governors, local public health, etc... the ones to blame when the inevitable outbreaks blow up. The administration will stand up at the podium in July and will be blaming all the states for opening up without following the guidelines that don't actually exist. No blame for them and all those unnecessary deaths are someone else's problem. If only the states would have listened to their stable genius advice so many people would have been saved... It's insanity. And, what pisses me off the most is the Republicans in office who seem to bend over to Trump instead of standing up to this complete bullshit lack of leadership. POTD ⭐
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 12:12:19 GMT -5
<sigh> Even though things will begin to open up on Monday, we've got another idiot group of protesters at the governor's residence. Gotta have their liberty, you know. (Freedom to die, in a most unpleasant manner...) I wonder if your protesters are locals or imported? The same folks who took over the wildlife refuge here were having people come into our area from Idaho to protest. Nothing like traveling germs for a pandemic protest. /smh
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 12:19:16 GMT -5
So.much.this! Nothing has changed since the day we locked down. Nothing. It's like the government made the decision to take our chances and go for herd immunity (and it's not even proven that's possible) without coming out and saying it. By not admitting it, they make all the governors, local public health, etc... the ones to blame when the inevitable outbreaks blow up. The administration will stand up at the podium in July and will be blaming all the states for opening up without following the guidelines that don't actually exist. No blame for them and all those unnecessary deaths are someone else's problem. If only the states would have listened to their stable genius advice so many people would have been saved... It's insanity. And, what pisses me off the most is the Republicans in office who seem to bend over to Trump instead of standing up to this complete bullshit lack of leadership. POTD ⭐ Thank you. I get so tired of being told I don't understand a pandemic and am too scared, too stupid, etc... This isn't a political problem, it's one of public health. We need to listen to the damn doctors not the politicians who all are out for their own damn selves and getting reelected. I'll say it for the last time - I assume at some point I will get it. It may not affect me or it might kill me. It will do what it will do. I take the risk I feel is reasonable for myself. That being said, I have a LOT of older people in my life I would like to see protected and the more people go out and "exercise their freedom" the more people will die. That's a scientific fact, not a political opinion. The political problem is the math equation between death numbers and the economy. And, the answer isn't all closed vs. all open, it should be something in between with a clear plan. We have no plan.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 14, 2020 12:46:34 GMT -5
Pretty much the same as before since so many businesses here got themselves essential status. While I don't plan on going out based on how many of us have been working all this time the few things that reopening like hair salons and tattoo parlors are a drop in the bucket.
The casinos are shut down still which makes sense not only do they attract tourists but their biggest clientele tends to be the people most at risk of dying from this.
The CWS, Summer Arts festival, Maha music festival and several other big tourist attraction things have been canceled in Omaha. The Broadway tour season is canceled. Not sure what will go on with local theaters yet they are currently still closed for the forseeable future. The museums are staying closed till at least the end of May.
The Omaha zoo chooses to remain closed. I am worried about the zoo because I cannot see how they would be able to socially distance, they are 100% non profit and rely on people visiting to care for the animals. They do world renowned research that would go *poof* if the zoo goes under. Hoping some of their bigger benefactors like the ones with their names all over the buildings step up to the plate. We renewed our membership even if I don't get to use it this year and will do so again next year.
Children's Museum might go under too there is just no way you could sterilize and socially distance in that place like you are supposed to under the rules. I suppose they could do limited tour groups during the summer to keep kids spaced out and still generate income. Rotate rooms on a fixed schedule and keep certain areas roped off. IDK.
Pools are still up in the air. Even if they open I don't plan on taking the kids. Even if they limit how many people are in the pool I am sure there will be lines out the door and I'm not doing that, I won't do that even when there isn't a pandemic.
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Post by Opti on May 14, 2020 13:34:14 GMT -5
I read yesterday a barber in New York who had been defying orders for 3 weeks and cutting hair just tested positive... will be an interesting study to see how many end up infected. I read two different versions of the story but neither said whether he wore a mask or not.
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 14, 2020 14:14:34 GMT -5
Like the fucking wild west. No guidance, no consistency, no masks, no social distancing. If republicans wanted to reopen THEY should have presented a plan. It's BS!!! FWIW, I do find it comforting that you are as upset about it as DH and I are. And I am unemployed. Was close to landing a job before we shut down. Was hoping the stay at home through Memorial Day would have helped. Now I know I will be unemployed through July 4th at least as we are going to have spikes with all the fucking idiots running around
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Post by giramomma on May 14, 2020 14:16:53 GMT -5
FWIW, I do find it comforting that you are as upset about it as DH and I are. And I am unemployed. Was close to landing a job before we shut down. Was hoping the stay at home through Memorial Day would have helped. Now I know I will be unemployed through July 4th at least as we are going to have spikes with all the fucking idiots running around There's almost been 400 new cases today. MOST of the counties are completely opening up. Large groups. The whole 9 yards.
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Post by giramomma on May 14, 2020 17:16:00 GMT -5
Here's what reopening looks like:
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 17:35:40 GMT -5
Here's what reopening looks like: Yep, but we don't understand the purpose of flattening the curve and are just scared of getting sick. /smh People are idiots. Wait until they decide there's a need for another lockdown and people refuse. That will be fun.
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Post by giramomma on May 14, 2020 17:43:01 GMT -5
Here's what reopening looks like: Yep, but we don't understand the purpose of flattening the curve and are just scared of getting sick. /smh People are idiots. Wait until they decide there's a need for another lockdown and people refuse. That will be fun. There won't be anymore lockdowns. Who is going to issue it? The feds won't. It won't come from anyone at the state level.
What good will it do if my county shuts down. We're only 10% of the state's entire population. And, chances are someone will sue my county and city officials to get that turned over.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 17:47:54 GMT -5
Exactly. So, outbreaks will continually grow.
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