Is there hypocrisy in the way Dems treated Kavanaugh

[deadeyedick]

and the way they’re handling the Biden allegations?

[Gardening Grandma]

trump supporters are the last people whose opinion I give a shit about on the topic.
They have demonstrated that are totally OK with sexual assault.

[djAdvocate]

I'm a bit busy dealing with the Coronavirus, and the insane response of our federal government.

let's circle back later when the nominating process is done, and we have a better handle on everything.

[TheHaitian]

Is “Grab them by the ” still in office?

Ok then... NEXT!

[thyme4change]

Apr 20, 2020 18:11:50 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

and the way they’re handling the Biden allegations?

The democrats have always been hypocritical on these things. When NOW made a big thing about publically supporting Bill Clinton, and not even condemning him for his choices, I knew it only matters sometimes.

I believe Democrats have realized if they get rid of anyone who has been less than perfect, they won't have anyone left. They forced Franken out, thinking they would get some in-kind sacrifice from the right, and that didn't happen.

They can't ditch Biden now. He just needs to go on TV and yell and cry and be a dick, and I'm sure all the Republicans will swarm around to defend him, right?

[Tennesseer]

What are the Biden allegations?   Are they the same type of allegations seventeen plus women have filed against trump?

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Not that you deserve a serious reply......but for the conversation on the thread in general.....

Apr 20, 2020 18:11:50 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

and the way they’re handling the Biden allegations?

no - because the supreme court is a different process with a different array of checks and balances.

yes - in regards to trump's accusations. Biden is a creepy asshole - that is a fact documented with many videos. Allegations of assault should be investigated rigorously. should have been long time ago, imo. should have been brought up and rigorously investigated during the primary process. Why wasn't it? 

Now it is too late as he is the nominee. Everyone will just not want to acknowledge or deal with. Seems to be human nature - just look at what trump followers will excuse and forgive and rationalize away. 

So now - we get our pick of creepy old men assholes that think females are objects that they can do what they want to.

Just like the last 6000 years of human history. Welcome to the patriarchy. As if you fucking cared.

[deminmaine]

No.

[swamp]

Biden is the creepy old dude who doesn't quite get boundaries and gets too close. 

Trump just grabs what he wants.     

Kavanaugh appears to be a drunk rapist. 

[dondub]

Apr 20, 2020 18:11:50 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

and the way they’re handling the Biden allegations?

Dick....will there be hypocrisy in the Trump Repo-Cons way they’ll be handling Joe Biden?

[swamp]

Apr 21, 2020 13:50:57 GMT -5 dondub said:

Apr 20, 2020 18:11:50 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

and the way they’re handling the Biden allegations?

Dick....will there be hypocrisy in the Trump Repo-Cons way they’ll be handling Joe Biden?

You mean hammering Biden for goofy stories and verbal gaffes?  

yeah, trump never does that............

[deadeyedick]

Apr 21, 2020 11:29:41 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Not that you deserve a serious reply......but for the conversation on the thread in general.....

Apr 20, 2020 18:11:50 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

and the way they’re handling the Biden allegations?

no - because the supreme court is a different process with a different array of checks and balances.

yes - in regards to trump's accusations. Biden is a creepy asshole - that is a fact documented with many videos. Allegations of assault should be investigated rigorously. should have been long time ago, imo. should have been brought up and rigorously investigated during the primary process. Why wasn't it? 

Now it is too late as he is the nominee. Everyone will just not want to acknowledge or deal with. Seems to be human nature - just look at what trump followers will excuse and forgive and rationalize away. 

So now - we get our pick of creepy old men assholes that think females are objects that they can do what they want to.

Just like the last 6000 years of human history. Welcome to the patriarchy. As if you fucking cared.

I do care.

Anyway why deflect to Trump? If you want to point to my hypocrisy, that’s fine. But it doesn’t address the Dem hypocrisy. Why aren’t the Dems believing the victim yet they did with Kavanaugh.

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 21, 2020 14:10:43 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

Apr 21, 2020 11:29:41 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Not that you deserve a serious reply......but for the conversation on the thread in general.....

no - because the supreme court is a different process with a different array of checks and balances.

yes - in regards to trump's accusations. Biden is a creepy asshole - that is a fact documented with many videos. Allegations of assault should be investigated rigorously. should have been long time ago, imo. should have been brought up and rigorously investigated during the primary process. Why wasn't it? 

Now it is too late as he is the nominee. Everyone will just not want to acknowledge or deal with. Seems to be human nature - just look at what trump followers will excuse and forgive and rationalize away. 

So now - we get our pick of creepy old men assholes that think females are objects that they can do what they want to.

Just like the last 6000 years of human history. Welcome to the patriarchy. As if you fucking cared.

I do care.

Anyway why deflect to Trump? If you want to point to my hypocrisy, that’s fine. But it doesn’t address the Dem hypocrisy. Why aren’t the Dems believing the victim yet they did with Kavanaugh.

Then why post in the first place. Republicans decided it doesn't matter, so they have no standing on the issue. What the democrats do is irrelevant, since you are a hypocrit on the issue.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 21, 2020 14:10:43 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

Apr 21, 2020 11:29:41 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Not that you deserve a serious reply......but for the conversation on the thread in general.....

no - because the supreme court is a different process with a different array of checks and balances.

yes - in regards to trump's accusations. Biden is a creepy asshole - that is a fact documented with many videos. Allegations of assault should be investigated rigorously. should have been long time ago, imo. should have been brought up and rigorously investigated during the primary process. Why wasn't it? 

Now it is too late as he is the nominee. Everyone will just not want to acknowledge or deal with. Seems to be human nature - just look at what trump followers will excuse and forgive and rationalize away. 

So now - we get our pick of creepy old men assholes that think females are objects that they can do what they want to.

Just like the last 6000 years of human history. Welcome to the patriarchy. As if you fucking cared.

I do care.

Anyway why deflect to Trump? If you want to point to my hypocrisy, that’s fine. But it doesn’t address the Dem hypocrisy. Why aren’t the Dems believing the victim yet they did with Kavanaugh.

Why are the Republicans believing trump and not the seventeen plus women?

[swamp]

Apr 21, 2020 14:10:43 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

Apr 21, 2020 11:29:41 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Not that you deserve a serious reply......but for the conversation on the thread in general.....

no - because the supreme court is a different process with a different array of checks and balances.

yes - in regards to trump's accusations. Biden is a creepy asshole - that is a fact documented with many videos. Allegations of assault should be investigated rigorously. should have been long time ago, imo. should have been brought up and rigorously investigated during the primary process. Why wasn't it? 

Now it is too late as he is the nominee. Everyone will just not want to acknowledge or deal with. Seems to be human nature - just look at what trump followers will excuse and forgive and rationalize away. 

So now - we get our pick of creepy old men assholes that think females are objects that they can do what they want to.

Just like the last 6000 years of human history. Welcome to the patriarchy. As if you fucking cared.

I do care.

Anyway why deflect to Trump? If you want to point to my hypocrisy, that’s fine. But it doesn’t address the Dem hypocrisy. Why aren’t the Dems believing the victim yet they did with Kavanaugh.

Um, in order to discuss hypocrisy, we have to compare the actions to another.     

I believe the victims, but I'd rather be a victim of Biden rubbing my shoulders and standing too close then drunk Kavanaugh trying to gang rape me with his buddy. 

[thyme4change]

The allegation against Biden is he forcibly kissed a woman on his staff, stuck his hand up her skirt and digitally penetrated her.

All the other allegations are that he was creepy and touched their shoulders or hair.

Women need to male it okay to wear pants, always and make it more professional than skirts in the workplace. It is much harder to finger someone in pants, which is why men are against it.

**I say this after hearing two discussions with lawyers who told their young female associates that pants were not considered professional, and they must wear skirts. Two different discussions, in two different places with 5 different men.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 21, 2020 14:10:43 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

Apr 21, 2020 11:29:41 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Not that you deserve a serious reply......but for the conversation on the thread in general.....

no - because the supreme court is a different process with a different array of checks and balances.

yes - in regards to trump's accusations. Biden is a creepy asshole - that is a fact documented with many videos. Allegations of assault should be investigated rigorously. should have been long time ago, imo. should have been brought up and rigorously investigated during the primary process. Why wasn't it? 

Now it is too late as he is the nominee. Everyone will just not want to acknowledge or deal with. Seems to be human nature - just look at what trump followers will excuse and forgive and rationalize away. 

So now - we get our pick of creepy old men assholes that think females are objects that they can do what they want to.

Just like the last 6000 years of human history. Welcome to the patriarchy. As if you fucking cared.

I do care.

Anyway why deflect to Trump? If you want to point to my hypocrisy, that’s fine. But it doesn’t address the Dem hypocrisy. Why aren’t the Dems believing the victim yet they did with Kavanaugh.

i think she answered that, bro.  are you just trying to stir the shit, or do you really want an answer?

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Apr 21, 2020 14:10:43 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

Apr 21, 2020 11:29:41 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Not that you deserve a serious reply......but for the conversation on the thread in general.....

no - because the supreme court is a different process with a different array of checks and balances.

yes - in regards to trump's accusations. Biden is a creepy asshole - that is a fact documented with many videos. Allegations of assault should be investigated rigorously. should have been long time ago, imo. should have been brought up and rigorously investigated during the primary process. Why wasn't it? 

Now it is too late as he is the nominee. Everyone will just not want to acknowledge or deal with. Seems to be human nature - just look at what trump followers will excuse and forgive and rationalize away. 

So now - we get our pick of creepy old men assholes that think females are objects that they can do what they want to.

Just like the last 6000 years of human history. Welcome to the patriarchy. As if you fucking cared.

I do care.

Anyway why deflect to Trump? If you want to point to my hypocrisy, that’s fine. But it doesn’t address the Dem hypocrisy. Why aren’t the Dems believing the victim yet they did with Kavanaugh.

what do you categorize as a deflection, exactly? Kavanaugh is not a comparison because the process and the responsibilities are different. Trump would be a direct comparison - that makes it relevant.

the kavanaugh process was strictly dems doing their job. vetting. questioning. investigating.


If you want to draw hypocrisy there - let's go back to Biden's treatment of Anita Hill. That is at least somewhat comparable in terms of process. 

[laterbloomer]

Apr 21, 2020 14:10:43 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

Apr 21, 2020 11:29:41 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Not that you deserve a serious reply......but for the conversation on the thread in general.....

no - because the supreme court is a different process with a different array of checks and balances.

yes - in regards to trump's accusations. Biden is a creepy asshole - that is a fact documented with many videos. Allegations of assault should be investigated rigorously. should have been long time ago, imo. should have been brought up and rigorously investigated during the primary process. Why wasn't it? 

Now it is too late as he is the nominee. Everyone will just not want to acknowledge or deal with. Seems to be human nature - just look at what trump followers will excuse and forgive and rationalize away. 

So now - we get our pick of creepy old men assholes that think females are objects that they can do what they want to.

Just like the last 6000 years of human history. Welcome to the patriarchy. As if you fucking cared.

I do care.

Anyway why deflect to Trump? If you want to point to my hypocrisy, that’s fine. But it doesn’t address the Dem hypocrisy. Why aren’t the Dems believing the victim yet they did with Kavanaugh.

You should reread her answer. She didn't deflect to Trump and she didn't let Biden off the hook. She made it clear that this is a long standing problem that pisses a lot of us off.

[laterbloomer]

Apr 21, 2020 14:36:46 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

The allegation against Biden is he forcibly kissed a woman on his staff, stuck his hand up her skirt and digitally penetrated her.

All the other allegations are that he was creepy and touched their shoulders or hair.

Women need to male it okay to wear pants, always and make it more professional than skirts in the workplace. It is much harder to finger someone in pants, which is why men are against it.

**I say this after hearing two discussions with lawyers who told their young female associates that pants were not considered professional, and they must wear skirts. Two different discussions, in two different places with 5 different men.

Just shoot them.

[buystoys]

When Clinton was given a pass (done by both Republicans AND Democrats when they left him in office) that set the bar for Presidential expectations.  Sexual assault is acceptable.  We're too far past that bar to move it now.

[thyme4change]

Apr 22, 2020 8:26:22 GMT -5 buystoys said:

When Clinton was given a pass (done by both Republicans AND Democrats when they left him in office) that set the bar for Presidential expectations.  Sexual assault is acceptable.  We're too far past that bar to move it now.

Many Presidents before him were given a pass too. It was just impolite to print it in the newspaper.

Did Clinton assault anyone? Monica wasn't considered assault.

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 22, 2020 9:00:18 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Apr 22, 2020 8:26:22 GMT -5 buystoys said:

When Clinton was given a pass (done by both Republicans AND Democrats when they left him in office) that set the bar for Presidential expectations.  Sexual assault is acceptable.  We're too far past that bar to move it now.

Many Presidents before him were given a pass too. It was just impolite to print it in the newspaper.

Did Clinton assault anyone? Monica wasn't considered assault.

Under the sexual harassment lectures I had to sit through, it would be considered harassment if I did what Clinton did. Women's groups made a big tactical error when they defended him, and Hilary was complicit. Trying to undo those mistakes is going to take time. Guy was a good president and a less than admirable human being in this realm. But supporting him in this instance was wrong. I thought the same thing back then too, and I know if I did what he did, I would have faced serious consequences

[buystoys]

Apr 22, 2020 9:00:18 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Apr 22, 2020 8:26:22 GMT -5 buystoys said:

When Clinton was given a pass (done by both Republicans AND Democrats when they left him in office) that set the bar for Presidential expectations.  Sexual assault is acceptable.  We're too far past that bar to move it now.

Many Presidents before him were given a pass too. It was just impolite to print it in the newspaper.

Did Clinton assault anyone? Monica wasn't considered assault.

Sorry.  I meant harassment.  I hadn't had enough coffee when I posted. 

[hoops902]

Apr 21, 2020 13:31:54 GMT -5 swamp said:

Biden is the creepy old dude who doesn't quite get boundaries and gets too close. 

Trump just grabs what he wants.     

Kavanaugh appears to be a drunk rapist. 

That's kind of running joke with Biden, but that's certainly not what the allegations are.  

Trump has the whole "grab em by the p*ssy" quote...which is precisely what Biden is being accused of doing.  

But to answer the initial question, there's ALWAYS hypocrisy in anything like this in politics.  Someone on the other side of the aisle does something (or is accused)...it's horrific...someone on your side does it and it's definitely not true...right up until they admit it, then it's a mistake they should be forgiven for.

[swamp]

Apr 22, 2020 10:33:03 GMT -5 hoops902 said:

Apr 21, 2020 13:31:54 GMT -5 swamp said:

Biden is the creepy old dude who doesn't quite get boundaries and gets too close. 

Trump just grabs what he wants.     

Kavanaugh appears to be a drunk rapist. 

That's kind of running joke with Biden, but that's certainly not what the allegations are.  

Trump has the whole "grab em by the p*ssy" quote...which is precisely what Biden is being accused of doing.  

But to answer the initial question, there's ALWAYS hypocrisy in anything like this in politics.  Someone on the other side of the aisle does something (or is accused)...it's horrific...someone on your side does it and it's definitely not true...right up until they admit it, then it's a mistake they should be forgiven for.

when I posted that, I had not yet heard the allegations about his actually p*ssy grabbing.     

I believe he probably did it.    Trump did too.  So great, we have 2 sexual assaulters running for president.   

[deadeyedick]

Apr 22, 2020 10:44:09 GMT -5 swamp said:

Apr 22, 2020 10:33:03 GMT -5 hoops902 said:

That's kind of running joke with Biden, but that's certainly not what the allegations are.  

Trump has the whole "grab em by the p*ssy" quote...which is precisely what Biden is being accused of doing.  

But to answer the initial question, there's ALWAYS hypocrisy in anything like this in politics.  Someone on the other side of the aisle does something (or is accused)...it's horrific...someone on your side does it and it's definitely not true...right up until they admit it, then it's a mistake they should be forgiven for.

when I posted that, I had not yet heard the allegations about his actually p*ssy grabbing.     

I believe he probably did it.    Trump did too.  So great, we have 2 sexual assaulters running for president.   

Trump’s ‘ grabbing’ comments were in the context of courtship. They were not in the context of assaulting subordinates.

[billisonboard]

Apr 22, 2020 13:09:24 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

Apr 22, 2020 10:44:09 GMT -5 swamp said:

when I posted that, I had not yet heard the allegations about his actually p*ssy grabbing.     

I believe he probably did it.    Trump did too.  So great, we have 2 sexual assaulters running for president.   

Trump’s ‘ grabbing’ comments were in the context of courtship. They were not in the context of assaulting subordinates.

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[thyme4change]

Apr 22, 2020 13:09:24 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

Apr 22, 2020 10:44:09 GMT -5 swamp said:

when I posted that, I had not yet heard the allegations about his actually p*ssy grabbing.     

I believe he probably did it.    Trump did too.  So great, we have 2 sexual assaulters running for president.   

Trump’s ‘ grabbing’ comments were in the context of courtship. They were not in the context of assaulting subordinates.

I rolled my eyes so hard that I have now seen the inside of my cranium.

[swamp]

Apr 22, 2020 13:09:24 GMT -5 deadeyedick said:

Apr 22, 2020 10:44:09 GMT -5 swamp said:

when I posted that, I had not yet heard the allegations about his actually p*ssy grabbing.     

I believe he probably did it.    Trump did too.  So great, we have 2 sexual assaulters running for president.   

Trump’s ‘ grabbing’ comments were in the context of courtship. They were not in the context of assaulting subordinates.

You have a really weird concept of courtship.