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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 31, 2020 8:52:51 GMT -5
What should compensate him, properly?
Hmmmm, remember the woman sports reporter that received a judgement of $40, million for a pinhole camera video for ten seconds!!!! What should happen to the people that put you there??
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 31, 2020 10:27:51 GMT -5
What should compensate him, properly?
Hmmmm, remember the woman sports reporter that received a judgement of $40, million for a pinhole camera video for ten seconds!!!! What should happen to the people that put you there??
Why must you minimise the damage to that reporter? That 10 seconds of video is out there for perverts to see and haters to use to degrade her forever. |
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 31, 2020 10:31:27 GMT -5
For the rest of it, I do think that man should be compensated. I have no idea what is fair in that case.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 31, 2020 12:13:30 GMT -5
For the rest of it, I do think that man should be compensated. I have no idea what is fair in that case. No amount of money can compensate him for what he lost. And this is why I believe that we need to have evidence, not just a he said/she said to convict. While I'm sure this was not intentional, it doesn't change the fact that the victim picked out an innocent man from a line-up. It is actually scary as shit to think that my life as I know it can be over just because someone else accuses me of doing something. |
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Post by dondub on Jan 31, 2020 12:35:47 GMT -5
$10 million
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2020 14:15:23 GMT -5
What should compensate him, properly?
Hmmmm, remember the woman sports reporter that received a judgement of $40, million for a pinhole camera video for ten seconds!!!! What should happen to the people that put you there??
Oh, spare me your fake outrage! What do you think of this? Your hero wanted them executed, even after they were found innocent. Trump still refuses to admit he was wrong about the Central Park 5 More than a decade after the exoneration of five black and Latino teens accused of raping a woman in Central Park, President Donald Trump indicated on Tuesday that he still doesn’t accept their innocence. Nor does he think he owes them an apology for publicly calling for their executions.
The teenagers, known as the Central Park 5, were exonerated by DNA evidence and a confession from the true perpetrator in 2002, 13 years after they were vilified by prosecutors and in the press after being charged and convicted of the rape of a white woman jogging in the park. The story is back in the news because of a recently released Netflix series about the case titled When They See Us. www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/18/18684217/trump-central-park-5-netflix |
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Post by apple 2 on Jan 31, 2020 15:41:51 GMT -5
What should compensate him, properly?
Hmmmm, remember the woman sports reporter that received a judgement of $40, million for a pinhole camera video for ten seconds!!!! What should happen to the people that put you there??
Why must you minimise the damage to that reporter? That 10 seconds of video is out there for perverts to see and haters to use to degrade her forever. RIGHT! That woman suffered greatly! |
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 31, 2020 21:01:21 GMT -5
Why must you minimise the damage to that reporter? That 10 seconds of video is out there for perverts to see and haters to use to degrade her forever. RIGHT! That woman suffered greatly! As greatly as being in prison for 25 years? I am hoping that your post was in jest.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 31, 2020 21:25:49 GMT -5
For the rest of it, I do think that man should be compensated. I have no idea what is fair in that case. No amount of money can compensate him for what he lost. And this is why I believe that we need to have evidence, not just a he said/she said to convict. While I'm sure this was not intentional, it doesn't change the fact that the victim picked out an innocent man from a line-up. It is actually scary as shit to think that my life as I know it can be over just because someone else accuses me of doing something. And yet the idea that someone could rape you with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2020 21:35:47 GMT -5
No amount of money can compensate him for what he lost. And this is why I believe that we need to have evidence, not just a he said/she said to convict. While I'm sure this was not intentional, it doesn't change the fact that the victim picked out an innocent man from a line-up. It is actually scary as shit to think that my life as I know it can be over just because someone else accuses me of doing something. And yet the idea that someone could rape you with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all. ....or that Trump wanted five innocent people executed. EXECUTED! I believe executed is worse than spending 25 years in prison. Funny how OC doesn't seem to want to address that...... |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2020 2:40:00 GMT -5
And yet the idea that someone could rape you with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all. ....or that Trump wanted five innocent people executed. EXECUTED! I believe executed is worse than spending 25 years in prison. Funny how OC doesn't seem to want to address that...... wanted? wants. he still talks about it.
#asshole
and that is putting it kindly.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 1, 2020 8:51:35 GMT -5
And yet the idea that someone could rape you with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all. ....or that Trump wanted five innocent people executed. EXECUTED! I believe executed is worse than spending 25 years in prison. Funny how OC doesn't seem to want to address that...... While you make this political, your hate of Trump, the person that I posted about and the five people you posted about are in the same boat! now that part of their live is past What should be done to repay them and why are not the ones responsible for them going to prison being punished,
Especially where prosecutors covered up or did not turn over evidence showing their innocents.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 1, 2020 8:53:32 GMT -5
Just in case you can't figure it out on your own Trump was neither Judge ,Jury or the Prosecutor in that case!
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 1, 2020 8:56:43 GMT -5
No amount of money can compensate him for what he lost. And this is why I believe that we need to have evidence, not just a he said/she said to convict. While I'm sure this was not intentional, it doesn't change the fact that the victim picked out an innocent man from a line-up. It is actually scary as shit to think that my life as I know it can be over just because someone else accuses me of doing something. And yet the idea that someone could rape you with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all. The idea that an innocent man can go to jail for 25 years with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all?? |
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 1, 2020 10:14:38 GMT -5
What should compensate him, properly? ... What should happen to the people that put you there?? I have been pondering these two questions. The second one first: There is no evidence offered that there was malicious intent aimed at this individual. Convicting appears to have been a mistake. I see nothing to be gained by punishing people for a mistake they made 35 years ago. Now the first: I think we should look at were he might have gotten to in life if he hadn't have been charged and convicted. Owning a modest home? He should be allowed to select one. From there, we should work with him to help him have experiences he might have had if he had not been incarcerated. What did he dream of being able to do when he was locked up? Deep sea fishing? Trip paid for! Visit the Grand Canyon? Paid for! I think that is the best that can been done for him. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 1, 2020 13:36:22 GMT -5
And yet the idea that someone could rape you with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all. The idea that an innocent man can go to jail for 25 years with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all?? The idea that your hero was bound and determined to have 5 innocent people executed doesn't phase YOU at all? |
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 1, 2020 14:01:55 GMT -5
No amount of money can compensate him for what he lost. And this is why I believe that we need to have evidence, not just a he said/she said to convict. While I'm sure this was not intentional, it doesn't change the fact that the victim picked out an innocent man from a line-up. It is actually scary as shit to think that my life as I know it can be over just because someone else accuses me of doing something. And yet the idea that someone could rape you with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all. You are wrong there. Rape is something I can’t even imagine. I don’t know how people get past it and have a productive live. I feel that way about a lot of crimes that haven’t personally touched my life. But I’m not ok with convicting on nothing more than he said/she said. This is not an isolated case where someone is convicted of a heinous crime because of witness testimony, only to find out the person was wrongly convicted. There have been convicted murderers later released, convicted rapists later released, etc. My stance has nothing to do with rape and all to do with convicting on nothing more than witness statement. If I’m ever on a jury I will demand evidence or I will vote not-guilty. |
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 1, 2020 14:03:09 GMT -5
The idea that an innocent man can go to jail for 25 years with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all?? The idea that your hero was bound and determined to have 5 innocent people executed doesn't phase YOU at all? I don’t have any hero’s so I don’t know what you are blabbering about. I have someone I voted for because the alternative was worse. And guess what, I will vote for him over warren and sanders because...lessor is two evils |
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 1, 2020 14:16:30 GMT -5
The idea that your hero was bound and determined to have 5 innocent people executed doesn't phase YOU at all? I don’t have any hero’s so I don’t know what you are blabbering about. I have someone I voted for because the alternative was worse. And guess what, I will vote for him over warren and sanders because...lessor is two evils Try to pay attention. I was talking to OC, not you. That's why I quoted him and not you. |
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 1, 2020 14:34:58 GMT -5
I don’t have any hero’s so I don’t know what you are blabbering about. I have someone I voted for because the alternative was worse. And guess what, I will vote for him over warren and sanders because...lessor is two evils Try to pay attention. I was talking to OC, not you. That's why I quoted him and not you. See, I can find humor in that. But I’m a happy person who doesn’t have to go around tossing barns at random interment people that don’t agree with me. A much happier way to live :-) |
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Post by dondub on Feb 1, 2020 15:01:32 GMT -5
So is “blabbering” just a small shed and not a “barn”?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 1, 2020 19:18:19 GMT -5
RIGHT! That woman suffered greatly! As greatly as being in prison for 25 years? I am hoping that your post was in jest.
Just a comment based on experience, OC: One who is raped (regardless of gender) suffers for the rest of their life and there's no chance of release, nor even parole. |
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 1, 2020 19:22:12 GMT -5
What should compensate him, properly? ... What should happen to the people that put you there?? I have been pondering these two questions. The second one first: There is no evidence offered that there was malicious intent aimed at this individual. Convicting appears to have been a mistake. I see nothing to be gained by punishing people for a mistake they made 35 years ago. Now the first: I think we should look at were he might have gotten to in life if he hadn't have been charged and convicted. Owning a modest home? He should be allowed to select one. From there, we should work with him to help him have experiences he might have had if he had not been incarcerated. What did he dream of being able to do when he was locked up? Deep sea fishing? Trip paid for! Visit the Grand Canyon? Paid for! I think that is the best that can been done for him. When this man was convicted we didn't have the capacity to isolate DNA evidence. Now, we do. That makes a big difference, IMO. |
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 1, 2020 19:38:31 GMT -5
I have been pondering these two questions. The second one first: There is no evidence offered that there was malicious intent aimed at this individual. Convicting appears to have been a mistake. I see nothing to be gained by punishing people for a mistake they made 35 years ago. Now the first: I think we should look at were he might have gotten to in life if he hadn't have been charged and convicted. Owning a modest home? He should be allowed to select one. From there, we should work with him to help him have experiences he might have had if he had not been incarcerated. What did he dream of being able to do when he was locked up? Deep sea fishing? Trip paid for! Visit the Grand Canyon? Paid for! I think that is the best that can been done for him. When this man was convicted we didn't have the capacity to isolate DNA evidence. Now, we do. That makes a big difference, IMO. A difference in punishing people who make an honest mistake or that when one is made that the victim of it should be awarded a much more money? |
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 1, 2020 19:45:04 GMT -5
When this man was convicted we didn't have the capacity to isolate DNA evidence. Now, we do. That makes a big difference, IMO. A difference in punishing people who make an honest mistake or that when one is made that the victim of it should be awarded a much more money? Nah. My mind doesn't immediately go to money. Twenty-five years of freedom were taken from this man because the technology wasn't there to determine his innocence. That, to me, is a tremendous step forward toward preventing this sort of thing from happening. |
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 1, 2020 21:19:34 GMT -5
And yet the idea that someone could rape you with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all. The idea that an innocent man can go to jail for 25 years with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all?? I already said it was wrong and I have idea how to compensate him. |
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The idea that an innocent man can go to jail for 25 years with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all?? I already said it was wrong and I have idea how to compensate him. We agree on that. But why are you so against requiring evidence and not just victim/witness testimony? There is no evidence that the false testimony was intentionally wrong but that doesn’t change that it was completely wrong. There have been tons of studies that prove that witness identification is not reliable. www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/I’m on my phone so I can’t copy and paste pieces of the article. And this is just one article of many I remember years ago that the death penalty discussion came up on this board. Several liberal posters were vehemently opposed to the death penalty and their reasoning was that if just one wrongly convicted person was put to death, that the death penalty was flawed. How doesn’t that apply to the risk of someone being wrongly convicted without hard evidence? If even one person is wrongly convicted and sentence to prison, that is one too many. And studies show that white people suck at identifying black people, which just compounds the issue This isn’t me not believing women. In this case, I truly believe the women thought she picked out the right person. But she didn’t. And that is just not acceptable to me |
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 2, 2020 21:51:40 GMT -5
I already said it was wrong and I have idea how to compensate him. We agree on that. But why are you so against requiring evidence and not just victim/witness testimony? There is no evidence that the false testimony was intentionally wrong but that doesn’t change that it was completely wrong. There have been tons of studies that prove that witness identification is not reliable. www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/I’m on my phone so I can’t copy and paste pieces of the article. And this is just one article of many I remember years ago that the death penalty discussion came up on this board. Several liberal posters were vehemently opposed to the death penalty and their reasoning was that if just one wrongly convicted person was put to death, that the death penalty was flawed. How doesn’t that apply to the risk of someone being wrongly convicted without hard evidence? If even one person is wrongly convicted and sentence to prison, that is one too many. And studies show that white people suck at identifying black people, which just compounds the issue This isn’t me not believing women. In this case, I truly believe the women thought she picked out the right person. But she didn’t. And that is just not acceptable to me This wasn't just a case of mistaken identity. The circumstantial evidence worked against him too. I'm not exactly against evidence, i'm concerned about the number of rapists that don't get convicted because we dismiss victim testimony. This allows known rapists to attack more women, something that could have been avoided if we had accepted the victim testimony. I'm not sure what the solution is. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2020 16:57:43 GMT -5
And yet the idea that someone could rape you with impunity doesn't seem to phase you at all. You are wrong there. Rape is something I can’t even imagine. I don’t know how people get past it and have a productive live. I feel that way about a lot of crimes that haven’t personally touched my life. But I’m not ok with convicting on nothing more than he said/she said. This is not an isolated case where someone is convicted of a heinous crime because of witness testimony, only to find out the person was wrongly convicted. There have been convicted murderers later released, convicted rapists later released, etc. My stance has nothing to do with rape and all to do with convicting on nothing more than witness statement. If I’m ever on a jury I will demand evidence or I will vote not-guilty. the problem is that often, with rape, that is the only evidence there is.
so, in those situations, the perp should just skate?
note: I am not being malicious here, I just wonder.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 3, 2020 17:22:13 GMT -5
You are wrong there. Rape is something I can’t even imagine. I don’t know how people get past it and have a productive live. I feel that way about a lot of crimes that haven’t personally touched my life. But I’m not ok with convicting on nothing more than he said/she said. This is not an isolated case where someone is convicted of a heinous crime because of witness testimony, only to find out the person was wrongly convicted. There have been convicted murderers later released, convicted rapists later released, etc. My stance has nothing to do with rape and all to do with convicting on nothing more than witness statement. If I’m ever on a jury I will demand evidence or I will vote not-guilty. the problem is that often, with rape, that is the only evidence there is.
so, in those situations, the perp should just skate?
note: I am not being malicious here, I just wonder.
Maybe there needs to be 4 male witnesses to the rape, like they prosecute rape cases in the Middle East. No witnesses, no rape. Stone her for fornication. |
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