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Post by giramomma on Jan 26, 2020 18:33:04 GMT -5
This is also why I've told DH that we will be keeping health insurance through my work until we die. 1100-1600/month would probably do better to be poured back into the economy, in terms of spending on goods ..but whatevs.
I can't imagine being tethered to a job for life, especially a job you don't like, just for the health care. I'd rather do that than go without health insurance. But, I'm a not a risk taker. I'm also too busy right now to fight the system. Maybe after I get a couple of kids out of the house.
Until then, either I play by the rules or I don't. I've always ended up just fine playing by the rules, so....
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 26, 2020 19:33:25 GMT -5
I really don’t understand how the average Joe thinks he gives a shit about them. Black, white, brown, or whatever, it’s crazy talk to think he actually cares about you UNLESS you are a multimillionaire who is all about the money. Even then, he doesn’t care about YOU, it’s all about the Benjamins, baby. I am a federal employee, and I try my damndest not to bash this man publicly. It still boggles my mind that some of my coworkers think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread when 1. They don’t have the kind of wealth that would put them on his radar and 2. It’s been made clear that if he had his way, the wages and benefits they have would go the way of the dodo bird. To put it nicely, there seems to be a serious disconnect among some Trump supporters. I guess they think that the things he wants to put into action only apply to “others” and not them. Just like all the stories we’ve seen about deported immigrants that initially supported him, and the people that learned the hard way that “Obama Care” wasn’t something just for minorities, it was the same insurance they had under the “Affordable Care Act”. I never claimed to be the smartest person in the world, but REALLY?! It is very, very hard to think against the grain. Especially if you are not a critical thinker by nature, nurture or education. Even if you are a critical thinker, you are very influenced by the inputs you have. So many people haven't heard much except emotional rants, and seemingly reasonable sounding theories on the world. It is hard to work within those parameters.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 27, 2020 1:03:35 GMT -5
I really don’t understand how the average Joe thinks he gives a shit about them. it's not about that. it is about something that my friends and I have started to call "social authority".
what we mean by that is that he represents a certain fraction of American society that thinks they know everything, and don't want to hear anything different. a segment that is tired of being told that they are lazy and arrogant, and that other people are smarter and better than they are. that they are not actually entitled to anything, and that everyone has the same right to opportunity as they have. and that if they are losing opportunities, it is their fault, not some "other" person (other than, perhaps, someone with the authority to take away that opportunity).
in short, he speaks for the once privileged class that has lost it's privilege.
the ironic part is that he is more part of the problem than the solution.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 27, 2020 9:47:14 GMT -5
I will say that it is hard for me to argue against my BIL whose job wasn't necessarily taken by immigrants (often non-documented/illegal workers) but his value was reduced by their entrance into the free market. He therefore is all-Trump. No one ever ran across the border and started sitting at my desk for half the price, and at least the quality. Although, my job was moved to India, where they could pay someone half of what they paid me. I hated that job and that company, but if I had loved it there, I can imagine some bitterness. So, I can feel for people who actually are experiencing the economic impact of immigration. That said, my BIL was motivated to finish college and now has a good paying desk job, which his aging body praises. So, in the end, he did benefit from the pressure. The problem however lies not with non-documented/illegal workers but with what we allow businesses to do. We don't hold companies and their management responsible for hiring non-documented workers, nor do we tax differently in any way shape or form if they take jobs from the US and "throw them over the wall" so to speak. Too bad that even the slightest bit of critical thinking is too much to expert from the ardent supporters of the man on the golden throne
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 27, 2020 10:24:26 GMT -5
I will say that it is hard for me to argue against my BIL whose job wasn't necessarily taken by immigrants (often non-documented/illegal workers) but his value was reduced by their entrance into the free market. He therefore is all-Trump. No one ever ran across the border and started sitting at my desk for half the price, and at least the quality. Although, my job was moved to India, where they could pay someone half of what they paid me. I hated that job and that company, but if I had loved it there, I can imagine some bitterness. So, I can feel for people who actually are experiencing the economic impact of immigration. That said, my BIL was motivated to finish college and now has a good paying desk job, which his aging body praises. So, in the end, he did benefit from the pressure. The problem however lies not with non-documented/illegal workers but with what we allow busineeses to do. We don't hold companies and their management responsible for hiring non-documented workers, nor do we tax differently in any way shape or form if they take jobs from the US and "throw them over the wall" so to speak. Too bad that even the slightest bit of critical thinking is too much to expert from the ardent supporters of the man on the golden thronebut with what we allow busineeses to do You have not had to deal with Government, Over regulation! We now have a new "Chief Inspector" where we get to deal with the written regs, which I have very little problem with,, to the unwritten ones that are the inspectors "pet projects"!!
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 27, 2020 10:50:01 GMT -5
I will say that it is hard for me to argue against my BIL whose job wasn't necessarily taken by immigrants (often non-documented/illegal workers) but his value was reduced by their entrance into the free market. He therefore is all-Trump. No one ever ran across the border and started sitting at my desk for half the price, and at least the quality. Although, my job was moved to India, where they could pay someone half of what they paid me. I hated that job and that company, but if I had loved it there, I can imagine some bitterness. So, I can feel for people who actually are experiencing the economic impact of immigration. That said, my BIL was motivated to finish college and now has a good paying desk job, which his aging body praises. So, in the end, he did benefit from the pressure. The problem however lies not with non-documented/illegal workers but with what we allow busineeses to do. We don't hold companies and their management responsible for hiring non-documented workers, nor do we tax differently in any way shape or form if they take jobs from the US and "throw them over the wall" so to speak. Too bad that even the slightest bit of critical thinking is too much to expert from the ardent supporters of the man on the golden throne I 100% agree. But that is somewhat nuanced. Corporations and employers are making things worse for employees at almost all pay levels in way more ways than undocumentedworkers. But that can be hard to grasp. Warren is trying to find that message, but I don't think she did a great job. I'm fine with less government involvement. Let's just have collective bargaining- every job, every employee, at every level under one million dollars earnings per year. Or even the top 1% of employees in each company. Splitting employees up and not letting them bind together their experiences has sunk their power level to almost zero.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 28, 2020 10:32:36 GMT -5
I think the anti-social program people are usually a combination of 1 and 2. I really don't want anyone to die/suffer (OK, there are a few...........). I'm just fed up with stupid people who really can't see that they are shooting themselves in the foot by supporting Trump. This is a large chunk of my Aunts family. They are all poor and have taken just about every handout available between the lot of them. Section 8, food stamps, SSDI, free medical, etc. My Aunt lives on SS alone. They are also all dumb as a box of rocks....most didn't even graduate high school and never bothered to get their GED. Most don't work at all. My one cousin had 5 kids, by 5 different dads, all born while she was in prison. Total redneck white trash family. They all love Trump though, because they are as racists as he is, if not more! My aunt is the only one of them I actually like!
I hope they are starve on the streets to be honest! Not one of them is a decent person, they are all just wastes of oxygen. I'll take care of my aunt, but screw the rest of them!
How did your cousin get pregnant 5 times in prison? Was she in and out? Abuse? This confuses me...
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Post by busymom on Jan 28, 2020 10:47:25 GMT -5
I can't imagine being tethered to a job for life, especially a job you don't like, just for the health care. I'd rather do that than go without health insurance. But, I'm a not a risk taker. I'm also too busy right now to fight the system. Maybe after I get a couple of kids out of the house.
Until then, either I play by the rules or I don't. I've always ended up just fine playing by the rules, so.... You do NOT want to be without health insurance. Especially where we're living now: a Southern state, which chose not to be a part of ACA. It's a freaking mess down here. Let me give you an example: DS will be aging out of DH's insurance in less than 2 years (unless there is a rules change). He is on a couple of prescriptions that are essential. Doctors here will NOT see you, nor write prescriptions, unless you have insurance, not even if you offer to pay cash for an office visit. And, if you're on Medicare or Medicaid, you may not even be able to get a doctor in the same county that you live in. The system is definitely broken.
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Post by hurley1980 on Jan 28, 2020 13:50:03 GMT -5
This is a large chunk of my Aunts family. They are all poor and have taken just about every handout available between the lot of them. Section 8, food stamps, SSDI, free medical, etc. My Aunt lives on SS alone. They are also all dumb as a box of rocks....most didn't even graduate high school and never bothered to get their GED. Most don't work at all. My one cousin had 5 kids, by 5 different dads, all born while she was in prison. Total redneck white trash family. They all love Trump though, because they are as racists as he is, if not more! My aunt is the only one of them I actually like!
I hope they are starve on the streets to be honest! Not one of them is a decent person, they are all just wastes of oxygen. I'll take care of my aunt, but screw the rest of them!
How did your cousin get pregnant 5 times in prison? Was she in and out? Abuse? This confuses me... Yes, she was in and out from age 14 to her mid 50s for drugs. And since she was such a mess from years of drug abuse, she is able to collect SSDI, because the state has deemed she is now to sick to work. Go figure!
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Post by Opti on Jan 28, 2020 17:24:28 GMT -5
Has he been making attempts at middle class tax cuts and healthcare? I've seen him say a few things, but what has he actually tried to do? I think he will still pander to his base. He wants to be remembered as great, and so he will keep up the bullshit so they will protect his legacy. It's just been all talk, he's got no intention of wasting time on healthcare or a middle class tax cut. Neither of those things would benefit him or his family and billionaire friends. But he says things hoping his base will believe him, and for some reason, after all his lies, they still do.. I heard that Ivanka and Kushner, eager to be able to return to their liberal NYC social life post Trump's presidency, are planning to push Trump into a more moderate, socially progressive platform if he wins in 2020. That would be easy enough to do; when you have no moral compass or deeply held beliefs, it's not hard to make 180 degree turns. Trump has already shown how flexible he is - he used to be loudly pro choice, until he wasn't. The bolded sounds like recycled crap from last round. Like the verbal poop equivalent of 1000 bull patties. Here's reality, I don't think there actually is a "liberal NYC social life". That phrase smacks of russian bots, Brietbart and RW phraseology. If they were really seeking a liberal social life in NYC they probably would hang with artists or cutting edge non-Christian independent film-makers. Not the crowd I see either of them running in. Have either Jared or Ivanka done anything liberal? Anything? Any big recurring donations to liberal causes? Or have they just hung with rich people and the politicians of their area because Jared is a real estate developer and holder of various office properties and apartments? Just because the NYC mayor, the NY senators, and the NY governor are all Democrats does not make anyone who seeks to influence them liberal or part of any party whatsoever. I can find arguments that Jared acts in a conservative not a liberal way. Would a real liberal woman just sit on her ass quietly when Daddy said there was no sex discrimination against women in the workplace? I don't think so. Say no to a diet of lies and verbal bs, Jared and Ivanka are not liberals. And more importantly, if Jared really wanted to pull anything off, he cleared the field early on by forcing Trump to throw out Christie's transition plan just because he hates Christie. If he didn't do it then in the beginning days of chaos, he certainly won't do it in the future now that Trump has learned to get a field of patsies to do his bidding.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 28, 2020 17:31:56 GMT -5
It's just been all talk, he's got no intention of wasting time on healthcare or a middle class tax cut. Neither of those things would benefit him or his family and billionaire friends. But he says things hoping his base will believe him, and for some reason, after all his lies, they still do.. I heard that Ivanka and Kushner, eager to be able to return to their liberal NYC social life post Trump's presidency, are planning to push Trump into a more moderate, socially progressive platform if he wins in 2020. That would be easy enough to do; when you have no moral compass or deeply held beliefs, it's not hard to make 180 degree turns. Trump has already shown how flexible he is - he used to be loudly pro choice, until he wasn't. The bolded sounds like recycled crap from last round. Like the verbal poop equivalent of 1000 bull patties. Here's reality, I don't think there actually is a "liberal NYC social life". That phrase smacks of russian bots, Brietbart and RW phraseology. If they were really seeking a liberal social life in NYC they probably would hang with artists or cutting edge non-Christian independent film-makers. Not the crowd I see either of them running in. Have either Jared or Ivanka done anything liberal? Anything? Any big recurring donations to liberal causes? Or have they just hung with rich people and the politicians of their area because Jared is a real estate developer and holder of various office properties and apartments? Just because the NYC mayor, the NY senators, and the NY governor are all Democrats does not make anyone who seeks to influence them liberal or part of any party whatsoever. I can find arguments that Jared acts in a conservative not a liberal way. Would a real liberal woman just sit on her ass quietly when Daddy said there was no sex discrimination against women in the workplace? I don't think so. Say no to a diet of lies and verbal bs, Jared and Ivanka are not liberals. And more importantly, if Jared really wanted to pull anything off, he cleared the field early on by forcing Trump to throw out Christie's transition plan just because he hates Christie. If he didn't do it then in the beginning days of chaos, he certainly won't do it in the future now that Trump has learned to get a field of patsies to do his bidding. It sounds...at least possible though when you consider that Trump was a democrat, and essentially became a republican when it was a way for him to run. That's part of the danger of electing him...he has no real political agenda/beliefs of his own, he's just putting a finger to the wind and doing what he thinks will make people happy to vote him back in again. But you certainly can't RELY on him going more moderate, he's as likely to go moderate/left as he is go further right. There's no telling what might happen!
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Post by Opti on Jan 28, 2020 17:37:43 GMT -5
The bolded sounds like recycled crap from last round. Like the verbal poop equivalent of 1000 bull patties. Here's reality, I don't think there actually is a "liberal NYC social life". That phrase smacks of russian bots, Brietbart and RW phraseology. If they were really seeking a liberal social life in NYC they probably would hang with artists or cutting edge non-Christian independent film-makers. Not the crowd I see either of them running in. Have either Jared or Ivanka done anything liberal? Anything? Any big recurring donations to liberal causes? Or have they just hung with rich people and the politicians of their area because Jared is a real estate developer and holder of various office properties and apartments? Just because the NYC mayor, the NY senators, and the NY governor are all Democrats does not make anyone who seeks to influence them liberal or part of any party whatsoever. I can find arguments that Jared acts in a conservative not a liberal way. Would a real liberal woman just sit on her ass quietly when Daddy said there was no sex discrimination against women in the workplace? I don't think so. Say no to a diet of lies and verbal bs, Jared and Ivanka are not liberals. And more importantly, if Jared really wanted to pull anything off, he cleared the field early on by forcing Trump to throw out Christie's transition plan just because he hates Christie. If he didn't do it then in the beginning days of chaos, he certainly won't do it in the future now that Trump has learned to get a field of patsies to do his bidding. It sounds...at least possible though when you consider that Trump was a democrat, and essentially became a republican when it was a way for him to run. That's part of the danger of electing him...he has no real political agenda/beliefs of his own, he's just putting a finger to the wind and doing what he thinks will make people happy to vote him back in again. But you certainly can't RELY on him going more moderate, he's as likely to go moderate/left as he is go further right. There's no telling what might happen! Its not possible. Trump is in it for the greenbacks as is Trump lite, Jared Kushner. It was convenient for Trump to be a Democrat because of the politicians in NY. Trump moved his domicile to Florida for more than a few reasons, one of the big ones being Florida is more red and acting as he has been he will not be welcomed by NY Democrats or liberals for years. I don't think Trump really cares about abortion or LGBTQ issues, but I don't see him being able to market himself back to center let alone "progressive".
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 28, 2020 21:14:28 GMT -5
I really don’t understand how the average Joe thinks he gives a shit about them. it's not about that. it is about something that my friends and I have started to call "social authority".
what we mean by that is that he represents a certain fraction of American society that thinks they know everything, and don't want to hear anything different. a segment that is tired of being told that they are lazy and arrogant, and that other people are smarter and better than they are. that they are not actually entitled to anything, and that everyone has the same right to opportunity as they have. and that if they are losing opportunities, it is their fault, not some "other" person (other than, perhaps, someone with the authority to take away that opportunity).
in short, he speaks for the once privileged class that has lost it's privilege.
the ironic part is that he is more part of the problem than the solution.
I think some of his followers (including some on this board) simply enjoy watching Trump bully certain segments of our society, or certain individuals. It's like egging on the class bully while he picks on the black kid or the skinny kid - as long as the bully doesn't turn his fists on you, it's entertaining to watch him beat down all the people and groups that you hate, too. I remember after election night, when some of them crowed about snowflake tears - it was great sport. Once Trump gets re-elected for a second term and stops catering to the blue collar crowd, once he holes up at Mar A Lago on a full time golf vacation while the GOP crafts regulations that siphon money to big corporations and the 1%, he finally won't be so amusing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2020 22:49:58 GMT -5
it's not about that. it is about something that my friends and I have started to call "social authority".
what we mean by that is that he represents a certain fraction of American society that thinks they know everything, and don't want to hear anything different. a segment that is tired of being told that they are lazy and arrogant, and that other people are smarter and better than they are. that they are not actually entitled to anything, and that everyone has the same right to opportunity as they have. and that if they are losing opportunities, it is their fault, not some "other" person (other than, perhaps, someone with the authority to take away that opportunity).
in short, he speaks for the once privileged class that has lost it's privilege.
the ironic part is that he is more part of the problem than the solution.
I think some of his followers (including some on this board) simply enjoy watching Trump bully certain segments of our society, or certain individuals. It's like egging on the class bully while he picks on the black kid or the skinny kid - as long as the bully doesn't turn his fists on you, it's entertaining to watch him beat down all the people and groups that you hate, too. I remember after election night, when some of them crowed about snowflake tears - it was great sport. Once Trump gets re-elected for a second term and stops catering to the blue collar crowd, once he holes up at Mar A Lago on a full time golf vacation while the GOP crafts regulations that siphon money to big corporations and the 1%, he finally won't be so amusing. yeah...well.....
I think those two things are actually tied together. not indistinguishably, but tied.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 29, 2020 8:49:22 GMT -5
It sounds...at least possible though when you consider that Trump was a democrat, and essentially became a republican when it was a way for him to run. That's part of the danger of electing him...he has no real political agenda/beliefs of his own, he's just putting a finger to the wind and doing what he thinks will make people happy to vote him back in again. But you certainly can't RELY on him going more moderate, he's as likely to go moderate/left as he is go further right. There's no telling what might happen! Its not possible. Trump is in it for the greenbacks as is Trump lite, Jared Kushner. It was convenient for Trump to be a Democrat because of the politicians in NY. Trump moved his domicile to Florida for more than a few reasons, one of the big ones being Florida is more red and acting as he has been he will not be welcomed by NY Democrats or liberals for years. I don't think Trump really cares about abortion or LGBTQ issues, but I don't see him being able to market himself back to center let alone "progressive". I don't see him necessarily caring to "market himself" if there's no further reason to garner votes though. I'm not saying it WILL happen, but I also don't see a lot of safety in trying to predict the actions of someone we know is a loose cannon. I mean honestly, if I thought I could predict with ANY certainty at ALL what he might do in general, that would make him massively more electable. I think it's generally a mistake to try to predict the actions of someone who is unpredictable with "it's not possible". Maybe this is a weird comparison, but I just tend to see Trump as a professional wrestler type. He's doing crazy things, he's saying crazy stuff, he's saying whatever the audience in front of him wants to hear. He's generating conflicts with anyone near him who says anything about him as if he's trying to set up the next big match. It wouldn't surprise me at ALL if he ATTEMPTED the anti-heel turn and hit Mitch McConnell over the head with a chair and pushed for wiping out SL debt. It also wouldn't surprise me if he got elected for 4 more years, then tried to change his name in some effort to say "I'm not the same person as I was before, new name, new 8 year limit" or something equally nuts.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 29, 2020 9:02:32 GMT -5
I totally see why he will still market himself.
He cares so desperately what is said about him. He gets ridiculously upset when he is criticized. He loves being admired. He ran for President for Obama made fun of him (after years and years of Trump talking shit about him).
He can't let the only people that like him stop. He isn't pandering to his base for reelection. He is pandering to his base because he wants them to cheer for him, so he can get a little burst of adrenaline. He probably jacks off to videos of his rallies. Plus, he doesn't actually have to do anything to give his base what they want. He just has to say some stuff. That doesn't cost him. He could hold a press conference on Mir-a-Lagos golf course making fun of how much Obama played golf, and his base would light up Twitter praising Trump for being so hard working.
He has something big to lose if he abandons his base, and really has nothing to gain. He will continue to lie to them through his whole second term.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 29, 2020 9:37:35 GMT -5
I totally see why he will still market himself. He cares so desperately what is said about him. He gets ridiculously upset when he is criticized. He loves being admired. He ran for President for Obama made fun of him (after years and years of Trump talking shit about him). He can't let the only people that like him stop. He isn't pandering to his base for reelection. He is pandering to his base because he wants them to cheer for him, so he can get a little burst of adrenaline. He probably jacks off to videos of his rallies. Plus, he doesn't actually have to do anything to give his base what they want. He just has to say some stuff. That doesn't cost him. He could hold a press conference on Mir-a-Lagos golf course making fun of how much Obama played golf, and his base would light up Twitter praising Trump for being so hard working. He has something big to lose if he abandons his base, and really has nothing to gain. He will continue to lie to them through his whole second term. He'll still market himself, but he won't need to market himself to specific pools of voters. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he has delusions that he can simply make EVERYONE love him though.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 29, 2020 14:10:07 GMT -5
I totally see why he will still market himself. He cares so desperately what is said about him. He gets ridiculously upset when he is criticized. He loves being admired. He ran for President for Obama made fun of him (after years and years of Trump talking shit about him). He can't let the only people that like him stop. He isn't pandering to his base for reelection. He is pandering to his base because he wants them to cheer for him, so he can get a little burst of adrenaline. He probably jacks off to videos of his rallies. Plus, he doesn't actually have to do anything to give his base what they want. He just has to say some stuff. That doesn't cost him. He could hold a press conference on Mir-a-Lagos golf course making fun of how much Obama played golf, and his base would light up Twitter praising Trump for being so hard working. He has something big to lose if he abandons his base, and really has nothing to gain. He will continue to lie to them through his whole second term. He'll still market himself, but he won't need to market himself to specific pools of voters. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he has delusions that he can simply make EVERYONE love him though. Now it's bribes to black voters. Trump allies target African American voters with new tactic: Cash giveaways The first giveaway took place last month in Cleveland, where recipients whose winning tickets were drawn from a bin landed cash gifts in increments of several hundred dollars, stuffed into envelopes. A second giveaway scheduled for this month in Virginia has been postponed, and more are said to be in the works. www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/trump-allies-target-african-american-voters-with-new-tactic-cash-giveaways/ar-BBZqUj9?li=BBnbcA1Love me....I'll pay you to love me.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 29, 2020 16:48:55 GMT -5
I totally see why he will still market himself. He cares so desperately what is said about him. He gets ridiculously upset when he is criticized. He loves being admired. He ran for President for Obama made fun of him (after years and years of Trump talking shit about him). He can't let the only people that like him stop. He isn't pandering to his base for reelection. He is pandering to his base because he wants them to cheer for him, so he can get a little burst of adrenaline. He probably jacks off to videos of his rallies. Plus, he doesn't actually have to do anything to give his base what they want. He just has to say some stuff. That doesn't cost him. He could hold a press conference on Mir-a-Lagos golf course making fun of how much Obama played golf, and his base would light up Twitter praising Trump for being so hard working. He has something big to lose if he abandons his base, and really has nothing to gain. He will continue to lie to them through his whole second term. He'll still market himself, but he won't need to market himself to specific pools of voters. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he has delusions that he can simply make EVERYONE love him though. He will still market himself to his fans. He doesn't have swarms of people out there who are on the fence, so he can just get a whole new set of fans. His people will be his people until the end. Again, it costs him nothing to make fun of people, and make empty promises, but it gains him cheers and praise. He ain't walking away from that. Plus, he doesn't get that hearty Nascar-level excitement from rich friends. That only comes from a certain kind of group.
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Post by Opti on Jan 29, 2020 17:51:11 GMT -5
Its not possible. Trump is in it for the greenbacks as is Trump lite, Jared Kushner. It was convenient for Trump to be a Democrat because of the politicians in NY. Trump moved his domicile to Florida for more than a few reasons, one of the big ones being Florida is more red and acting as he has been he will not be welcomed by NY Democrats or liberals for years. I don't think Trump really cares about abortion or LGBTQ issues, but I don't see him being able to market himself back to center let alone "progressive". I don't see him necessarily caring to "market himself" if there's no further reason to garner votes though. I'm not saying it WILL happen, but I also don't see a lot of safety in trying to predict the actions of someone we know is a loose cannon. I mean honestly, if I thought I could predict with ANY certainty at ALL what he might do in general, that would make him massively more electable.I think it's generally a mistake to try to predict the actions of someone who is unpredictable with "it's not possible". Maybe this is a weird comparison, but I just tend to see Trump as a professional wrestler type. He's doing crazy things, he's saying crazy stuff, he's saying whatever the audience in front of him wants to hear. He's generating conflicts with anyone near him who says anything about him as if he's trying to set up the next big match. It wouldn't surprise me at ALL if he ATTEMPTED the anti-heel turn and hit Mitch McConnell over the head with a chair and pushed for wiping out SL debt. It also wouldn't surprise me if he got elected for 4 more years, then tried to change his name in some effort to say "I'm not the same person as I was before, new name, new 8 year limit" or something equally nuts. I think he's very predictable now in certain ways. Stressed and mad - massive tweet storm Does not like someone or want to trash them? Come up with a nick-name that starts with the same letter as their name or a quality you think you fan base will eat up. Example Shifty Schiff. Person he hires or is associated with gets into legal trouble... "I don't know him." and other variations on that theme. Never met them, don't think I've ever seen them ... didn't know them that well. Outlandish exaggerations and lies. Example John Bolton would have caused World War 6. Apparently he would have gotten through WW3, WW4 and WW5 first before Trump's term ends. He will turn on anyone. Very predictable. He will gush about anyone who is willing to say nice things or gush on him. There's more, but that's enough for Trump the Presidential reality show, for now anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 14:06:21 GMT -5
A negative blow to that Utopia of Euro-Socialism ? Watch closely.
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Post by Opti on Jan 31, 2020 14:39:05 GMT -5
France is very interesting. In many ways it is an epi-center to look at for how Europe is reacting to the changes around the global political and financial. And being France, its helps to think French. Like Renault, not BMW. Or LeCar.
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Post by Opti on Jan 31, 2020 14:43:03 GMT -5
A negative blow to that Utopia of Euro-Socialism ? Watch closely. You don't understand France and the French involvement in politics I am guessing. And yes we know you don't like social programs because you are probably conservative. Alot of the world does not agree with you. And many are in the top nations in wealth in the G7. I'll leave it as an exercise to the poster as to which of those G7 countries have more social programs for their citizens than the US and how the rankings in wealth of the 7 might change based on land mass, population, etc.
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Post by Opti on Jan 31, 2020 14:43:53 GMT -5
Que? Celebrating Bastille day early?
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Post by Opti on Jan 31, 2020 14:46:34 GMT -5
FWIW, I don't have time to read your links now but I am aware to some extent of the worker/union/etc struggle that has been going on in France for decades. I'll read it when I am physically healthier. But don't you kind of love the angry white male rage joker look? Its so current.
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Post by Opti on Jan 31, 2020 14:49:20 GMT -5
You don't understand France and the French involvement in politics I am guessing. And yes we know you don't like social programs because you are probably conservative. Alot of the world does not agree with you. And many are in the top nations in wealth in the G7. I'll leave it as an exercise to the poster as to which of those G7 countries have more social programs for their citizens than the US and how the rankings in wealth of the 7 might change based on land mass, population, etc. There's always an angle. I'm a trained and degreed engineer. If you are only looking at a problem or situation one way, you are crap as an engineer and IMO crap as a human being. Life is complex. Study more. Learn. Things are not what they appear from mere sound bites or worse video clips or dramatic images .
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Post by Opti on Jan 31, 2020 15:15:57 GMT -5
I'm a trained and degreed engineer. If you are only looking at a problem or situation one way, you are crap as an engineer and IMO crap as a human being. Life is complex. Study more. Learn. Things are not what they appear from mere sound bites or worse video clips or dramatic images .As in Sparty posting those pictures, not me ? Complex alright. How's your observational capabilities as a degreed engineer ? As in "But don't you kind of love the angry white male rage joker look?" Crap as a human being indeed. You don't understand my humor jma, best to ignore it then. If you are a moviephile and a lover of things European, it might make more sense. Also, white male rage, white male rage was just a bit I think on Seth Meyers show the other night. Maybe I should try to be a writer for his show. Last night might have been a song about Andrew Yang and his current endorser. The writer named Karen dressed up like Yang dancing around the singer was just an added bonus.
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