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Post by gambler on Dec 23, 2019 12:01:11 GMT -5
He is not conservative enough for me but he is the much more than any other. The dems want to spend the wealth I earned mine do not want to share. I pay for my healthy care buy my own food own my own home because I worked and continued to improve myself never get food stamps, welfare or collected even one unemployment check. If I can do it it proves any one can
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 23, 2019 12:07:08 GMT -5
He is not conservative enough for me but he is the much more than any other. The dems want to spend the wealth I earned mine do not want to share. I pay for my healthy care buy my own food own my own home because I worked and continued to improve myself never get food stamps, welfare or collected even one unemployment check. If I can do it it proves any one can Trump wants to spend too. like a drunken sailor.
the difference is that Trump is passing the cost onto your grandkids, whereas Democrats are making the living pay.
which is worse?
as for food stamps, if Americans were paid decent wages they not only wouldn't need them, they wouldn't even be eligible.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 23, 2019 12:15:31 GMT -5
... If I can do it it proves any one can "I have an IQ in the 70's and have chronic health issues. I was emotionally and physically abused as a child. I overcame that so anyone can." Or are those things not true?
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 23, 2019 12:23:55 GMT -5
He is not conservative enough for me but he is the much more than any other. The dems want to spend the wealth I earned mine do not want to share. I pay for my healthy care buy my own food own my own home because I worked and continued to improve myself never get food stamps, welfare or collected even one unemployment check. If I can do it it proves any one can LOCKED INTO POVERTY IMPOSSIBLE CHOICES FORCED ON THE DISABLEDAnna Landre grew up believing she had a future as bright as any one of her classmates. A mutant quirk of her genome makes her muscles weak, and she gets around in a wheelchair. But she assumed she’d find a way around any obstacle. “My mom was always determined that my disability would not at all limit my future in any way shape or form,” Landre said. “I could do anything anyone else would do, and it would be harder but we’d figure it out.” Neither Landre nor her mother realized that Landre’s freedom — to work, to save money, even to get married — would be restricted by something much more complex and implacable than genetics: a government welfare policy meant to help people like her but which too often presents the real possibility of personal and financial catastrophe. Complete article here: LOCKED INTO POVERTY IMPOSSIBLE CHOICES FORCED ON THE DISABLED
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 23, 2019 12:33:19 GMT -5
... as for food stamps, if Americans were paid decent wages they not only wouldn't need them, they wouldn't even be eligible. Granted that food stamps benefit recipients by allowing them to eat (or abuse the system and satisfy other needs or desires), the major benefactors of the system is Corporate America. Food Stamps: More Benefit to Big Food Than to the Poor?
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Post by dezii on Dec 23, 2019 15:27:23 GMT -5
... as for food stamps, if Americans were paid decent wages they not only wouldn't need them, they wouldn't even be eligible. Granted that food stamps benefit recipients by allowing them to eat (or abuse the system and satisfy other needs or desires), the major benefactors of the system is Corporate America. Food Stamps: More Benefit to Big Food Than to the Poor? U all are aware that young members of our military...low ranks, with families , qualify for food stamps.... U could suggest if military wanted young members of military wanted to have families they would have issued same...but reality is...young members are virile men and woman...want relationships..which means marriage and being young and virile leads to kids...many of them...reality of life...
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 23, 2019 15:52:07 GMT -5
I don't understand it either. I can only conclude that they share his vile racist views or they are simply morons. Either way, not someone I'd want as a friend. I’d like to know what ‘racist views’ you think he has. Protecting borders and restricting immigration, if that’s what you mean, is not racist. Not renting to black people.
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Post by swamp on Dec 23, 2019 15:54:26 GMT -5
He is not conservative enough for me but he is the much more than any other. The dems want to spend the wealth I earned mine do not want to share. I pay for my healthy care buy my own food own my own home because I worked and continued to improve myself never get food stamps, welfare or collected even one unemployment check. If I can do it it proves any one can but you apparently cannot afford to buy punctuation.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 23, 2019 15:56:14 GMT -5
... as for food stamps, if Americans were paid decent wages they not only wouldn't need them, they wouldn't even be eligible. Granted that food stamps benefit recipients by allowing them to eat (or abuse the system and satisfy other needs or desires), the major benefactors of the system is Corporate America. Food Stamps: More Benefit to Big Food Than to the Poor? yeah, there is that too.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 23, 2019 15:56:58 GMT -5
He is not conservative enough for me but he is the much more than any other. The dems want to spend the wealth I earned mine do not want to share. I pay for my healthy care buy my own food own my own home because I worked and continued to improve myself never get food stamps, welfare or collected even one unemployment check. If I can do it it proves any one can but you apparently cannot afford to buy punctuation. not for sale on Wheel Of Fortune, swamp.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 23, 2019 15:59:26 GMT -5
I’d like to know what ‘racist views’ you think he has. Protecting borders and restricting immigration, if that’s what you mean, is not racist. Not renting to black people. he has a long history of it.
I think the most damning comment was implying that a Latino judge was unfit to rule on his case during the campaign. but you can really take your pick of dozens, if not HUNDREDS of damning remarks.
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 23, 2019 16:40:08 GMT -5
I’d like to know what ‘racist views’ you think he has. Protecting borders and restricting immigration, if that’s what you mean, is not racist. Not renting to black people. Telling Jewish people they have to/will vote for him because of the need to protect their vast amounts of wealth. Oh wait. .. that's a "positive" stereotype so that doesn't count right? Making "Pocahantas" jokes in front of the Navajo code speakers. Oh wait. .. he wasn't directing it at THEM therefore it's not racist right? Just like my grandmother isn't racist it's "just how those people are" or the classic "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about those other brown/Jewish/Native American/homosexual/female/non Christian people".
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Post by dondub on Dec 23, 2019 16:41:17 GMT -5
And he sure doesn’t want any Black people handling his money. That’s strictly for Jews.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 23, 2019 17:27:51 GMT -5
"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."
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Post by formerroomate99 on Dec 23, 2019 20:02:03 GMT -5
clarified that for you, because you can bet your ass that's what trump means. That's how dog whistles work. We all know exactly what he means, but his cult can claim "that's not racism".... If you were going to assume that everyone who disagrees with you politically has the vilest intentions possible, you have nobody but yourself to blame when the other side does the same. For example, in the 1960s, liberals created a welfare system that Was badly structured, rewarding self-destructive behavior, and punishing any efforts to improve oneself. We all know that those cliffs in the welfare system are a problem, where getting a $200/month raise means you lose $1000 in benefits. For the next 30 years, liberals defended this poorly structured welfare system by accusing anyone who criticized it of being racist, sexist, and wanting to hurt children. If I was going to do what you were doing, I could say that creating a permanent underclass of self-destructive, dependent people who would inflict untold damage on innocent children was exactly what liberals wanted. I could also say that the reason liberals fought tooth and nail to keep the status quo was because they wanted as many children as possible to end up damaged. Or I could give the benefit of the doubt and think that well intentioned people made an honest mistake, and fought for the status quo because they were afraid that something worse would happen if they didn’t.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 23, 2019 20:23:33 GMT -5
that welfare system also reduced elder poverty by over 50%.
it is not really fair to demonize a system without taking into account its benefits.
and sure, unintended consequences will happen. for example, purging the Fairness Doctrine from our media landscape has created competing ideological networks without any tendency or requirement for balance. then again, that probably could have been predicted better than the fact that the needle has not moved on childhood poverty in fifty years.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 23, 2019 20:57:35 GMT -5
That's how dog whistles work. We all know exactly what he means, but his cult can claim "that's not racism".... If you were going to assume that everyone who disagrees with you politically has the vilest intentions possible, you have nobody but yourself to blame when the other side does the same. For example, in the 1960s, liberals created a welfare system that Was badly structured, rewarding self-destructive behavior, and punishing any efforts to improve oneself. We all know that those cliffs in the welfare system are a problem, where getting a $200/month raise means you lose $1000 in benefits. For the next 30 years, liberals defended this poorly structured welfare system by accusing anyone who criticized it of being racist, sexist, and wanting to hurt children. If I was going to do what you were doing, I could say that creating a permanent underclass of self-destructive, dependent people who would inflict untold damage on innocent children was exactly what liberals wanted. I could also say that the reason liberals fought tooth and nail to keep the status quo was because they wanted as many children as possible to end up damaged. Or I could give the benefit of the doubt and think that well intentioned people made an honest mistake, and fought for the status quo because they were afraid that something worse would happen if they didn’t. What does any of that have to do with racist dog whistles?
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Post by dezii on Dec 23, 2019 21:45:02 GMT -5
He is not conservative enough for me but he is the much more than any other. The dems want to spend the wealth I earned mine do not want to share. I pay for my healthy care buy my own food own my own home because I worked and continued to improve myself never get food stamps, welfare or collected even one unemployment check. If I can do it it proves any one can ….. ……...oop's , sorry "Yea for u".....
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 23, 2019 21:54:06 GMT -5
He is not conservative enough for me but he is the much more than any other. The dems want to spend the wealth I earned mine do not want to share. I pay for my healthy care buy my own food own my own home because I worked and continued to improve myself never get food stamps, welfare or collected even one unemployment check. If I can do it it proves any one canMe, I, I, I “anyone can” Anyone born with disabilities that leave them with the IQ of a 5 year old? Who cannot speak? Who needs assistance with the most basic daily activities? Spoken like a true conservative. I got mine. Fuck everyone else
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 23, 2019 22:10:19 GMT -5
He is not conservative enough for me but he is the much more than any other. The dems want to spend the wealth I earned mine do not want to share. I pay for my healthy care buy my own food own my own home because I worked and continued to improve myself never get food stamps, welfare or collected even one unemployment check. If I can do it it proves any one canMe, I, I, I “anyone can” Anyone born with disabilities that leave them with the IQ of a 5 year old? Who cannot speak? Who needs assistance with the most basic daily activities? Spoken like a true conservative. I got mine. Fuck everyone else actually, it is not even true.
can you slam dunk a basketball? can you calculate pi to seven significant figures without ain calculator? can you organize a portfolio that will yield a greater than 10% return over time. can you build a shaft that is sufficiently strong to withstand an impact load equivalent to 2x the running load?
some people lack the talent, knowledge, or even the physical capability to do certain things that others can do with ease. that is why we believe in meritocracy. that is why we believe that those with skills and talents should be rewarded for them. but that does NOT mean that we should let people that either lack the skills or talents starve because of their lack and skill or talents (or the opportunity to acquire them). at least, that is the kind of country I want to live in.
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Post by gambler on Dec 23, 2019 22:54:14 GMT -5
I can be the SOB not bothering me one bit. I was at the store the other day a well trained in shape woman, her muscle bound other were in line ahead played with EBT than hold the bagger he had to take to car. At gas station watched person buy shot with EBT card get into new car. Wife takes food Sunday's to church to feed the poor. See more expensive cars, well dress folks then at a good restaurant. See more of that the one with real need. Do not care about punctuation if that is all you got I made my point.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 23, 2019 22:57:17 GMT -5
Oh you made your point all right. Just another self righteous, judgemental, holier than thou, selfish, myopic conservative
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 23, 2019 23:07:03 GMT -5
I can be the SOB not bothering me one bit. I was at the store the other day a well trained in shape woman, her muscle bound other were in line ahead played with EBT than hold the bagger he had to take to car. At gas station watched person buy shot with EBT card get into new car. Wife takes food Sunday's to church to feed the poor. See more expensive cars, well dress folks then at a good restaurant. See more of that the one with real need. Do not care about punctuation if that is all you got I made my point. in the ghetto, cars are a signifier of stature in the sense that McMansions are in the burbs. everything is a matter of scale.
do I think it suckx? yes, I do. I despise ostentation. but it exists at all levels of American society. and it is as repulsive at "church" as it is at home.
witness the Golden Toilet. could there be anything more repulsively decadent? if so, I have trouble imagining it.
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Post by tallguy on Dec 23, 2019 23:15:10 GMT -5
I can be the SOB not bothering me one bit. I was at the store the other day a well trained in shape woman, her muscle bound other were in line ahead played with EBT than hold the bagger he had to take to car. At gas station watched person buy shot with EBT card get into new car. Wife takes food Sunday's to church to feed the poor. See more expensive cars, well dress folks then at a good restaurant. See more of that the one with real need. Do not care about punctuation if that is all you got I made my point. You made no point. Few if any here will bother even attempting to wade through the debris to find your path of thought. It is not merely incorrect or lacking punctuation that makes you appear unintelligent. If the point of posting is to be heard and understood, what does it benefit you to be so easily dismissed as unworthy of the effort to do so? And yes, your final sentence was the only one I bothered with, being less mangled than the others.
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Post by gambler on Dec 23, 2019 23:38:12 GMT -5
Like I said really do not care about a liberal position. Tend to point out the rare few cases that support their position. Not I read Congress is thinking about thing to impeach again gosh desperate can they be
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Post by dondub on Dec 23, 2019 23:53:05 GMT -5
Trumpian word salad.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 24, 2019 11:15:09 GMT -5
Like I said really do not care about a liberal position. Tend to point out the rare few cases that support their position. Not I read Congress is thinking about thing to impeach again gosh desperate can they be the right to bear arms is a liberal position. private property rights is a liberal position.
you don't care about those things?
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Post by moon/Laura on Dec 24, 2019 11:50:13 GMT -5
Trump claiming to be conservative is as ludicrous as his claiming to be Christian.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 24, 2019 11:59:35 GMT -5
Trump claiming to be conservative is as ludicrous as his claiming to be Christian. And just as ludicrous are his followers claiming he is conservative.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 24, 2019 12:40:24 GMT -5
He is not conservative enough for me but he is the much more than any other. The dems want to spend the wealth I earned mine do not want to share. I pay for my healthy care buy my own food own my own home because I worked and continued to improve myself never get food stamps, welfare or collected even one unemployment check. If I can do it it proves any one can Of course you don't. Conservatives never want to share.
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