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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 16, 2019 18:28:43 GMT -5
Lol! You don't think insurance companies in the USA ration the care?
Spare me. I worked in the medical field in the USA, and I KNOW they ration the care.
Aren't you glad you don't live in this terrible country any more? it's not terrible here. and it is not great there.
however, we have the costliest healthcare in the world by a factor of 2x.
to dismiss a critique of that as "hating America" is, at a minimum, jingoistic.
It IS odd that a Canadian would spend her day on a board made up of mostly americans, bashing America. I can't imagine wasting my life telling Canadians how much they suck day in and day out...but I have a life
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 16, 2019 19:35:46 GMT -5
Removed a couple of personal attacks. Let's please play nice people. deminmaine- Moderator How about the one previous to this?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 16, 2019 19:38:29 GMT -5
Removed a couple of personal attacks. Let's please play nice people. deminmaine- Moderator How about the one previous to this? Aww...have to protect the heard
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Post by dondub on Dec 16, 2019 19:42:21 GMT -5
To me there is a big difference in bashing our political leadership and things that we have all wrong, such as health insurance. Back in the day I was considered to be anti-American by key people in my life simply for opposing the Nixxon/Kissinger death machine. Being in opposition to that war raised plenty of hackles in certain arenas. However, I was NOT bashing America, land of the free and home of the brave, but was simply dissenting policies that I felt were wrong. Weltz does this. She is actually quite fond of the real America. Just ask her.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 16, 2019 19:51:01 GMT -5
It's because Canada negotiates the prices and we don't. Much like when Medicaid/medicare set their prices, the rest of us have to pick up the slack. The pharmaceutical companies have profit targets and we end up paying for them. I want a law that says that no US citizen will pay more for a prescription than a citizen of any other country. And ban advertising. I don't need to know each new drug that comes out and it's side-effects. Less negotiating and more price controls. They've also dumped a lot of meds into the realm of OTC that is still RX in the US - though I'm not sure if that's due to the insurance companies wanting the copays (the ones I know are cheaper OTC in Canada than my copays for it in the states) or if the FDA is the one holding it up. Canada's prescriptions actually aren't under the national healthcare system umbrella. Its separate coverage that usually comes via your employer, though I'm sure there's other options too. The government does set overall limits on prices - though I'm not sure on specifics of that. www.ramq.gouv.qc.ca/en/citizens/prescription-drug-insurance/Pages/prescription-drugs-covered.aspxWhen you purchase prescription drugs that are covered under the public plan, you usually pay a portion of their cost
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 16, 2019 19:52:31 GMT -5
it's not terrible here. and it is not great there.
however, we have the costliest healthcare in the world by a factor of 2x.
to dismiss a critique of that as "hating America" is, at a minimum, jingoistic.
It IS odd that a Canadian would spend her day on a board made up of mostly americans, bashing America. I can't imagine wasting my life telling Canadians how much they suck day in and day out...but I have a life Too bad, so sad, but I'll continue to post. I'm here to show you there's a better way. You're more than happy to accept our help on multiple fronts, as long as we shut up. Got it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 16, 2019 19:53:16 GMT -5
How about the one previous to this? Aww...have to protect the heard If you're going to try and insult someone, at least learn how to spell herd.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 16, 2019 19:57:05 GMT -5
To me there is a big difference in bashing our political leadership and things that we have all wrong, such as health insurance. Back in the day I was considered to be anti-American by key people in my life simply for opposing the Nixxon/Kissinger death machine. Being in opposition to that war raised plenty of hackles in certain arenas. However, I was NOT bashing America, land of the free and home of the brave, but was simply dissenting policies that I felt were wrong. Weltz does this. She is actually quite fond of the real America. Just ask her.I am. I'm just not that fond of the shit show you have going on right now.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 16, 2019 20:31:49 GMT -5
Aww...have to protect the heard If you're going to try and insult someone, at least learn how to spell herd. Lol
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 16, 2019 20:33:07 GMT -5
To me there is a big difference in bashing our political leadership and things that we have all wrong, such as health insurance. Back in the day I was considered to be anti-American by key people in my life simply for opposing the Nixxon/Kissinger death machine. Being in opposition to that war raised plenty of hackles in certain arenas. However, I was NOT bashing America, land of the free and home of the brave, but was simply dissenting policies that I felt were wrong. Weltz does this. She is actually quite fond of the real America. Just ask her.I am. I'm just not that fond of the shit show you have going on right now. Most of us aren’t either
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2019 20:44:10 GMT -5
it's not terrible here. and it is not great there.
however, we have the costliest healthcare in the world by a factor of 2x.
to dismiss a critique of that as "hating America" is, at a minimum, jingoistic.
It IS odd that a Canadian would spend her day on a board made up of mostly americans, bashing America. I can't imagine wasting my life telling Canadians how much they suck day in and day out...but I have a life note to self: as expat, leave this board.
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Post by justme on Dec 16, 2019 22:42:02 GMT -5
Less negotiating and more price controls. They've also dumped a lot of meds into the realm of OTC that is still RX in the US - though I'm not sure if that's due to the insurance companies wanting the copays (the ones I know are cheaper OTC in Canada than my copays for it in the states) or if the FDA is the one holding it up. Canada's prescriptions actually aren't under the national healthcare system umbrella. Its separate coverage that usually comes via your employer, though I'm sure there's other options too. The government does set overall limits on prices - though I'm not sure on specifics of that. www.ramq.gouv.qc.ca/en/citizens/prescription-drug-insurance/Pages/prescription-drugs-covered.aspxWhen you purchase prescription drugs that are covered under the public plan, you usually pay a portion of their cost Ah, interesting. I knew some aren't, at least in Ontario, but I've never sat down and talked with the people I know to talk specifics beyond them having employer coverage for dental, vision, and prescription.
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Post by sesfw on Dec 17, 2019 7:27:39 GMT -5
It IS odd that a Canadian would spend her day on a board made up of mostly americans, bashing America. I can't imagine wasting my life telling Canadians how much they suck day in and day out...but I have a life
Thank you Miss T ......... my sentiments exactly
I'm just not that fond of the shit show you have going on right now.
Don't look ......
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 17, 2019 7:31:07 GMT -5
Aww...have to protect the heard If you're going to try and insult someone, at least learn how to spell herd. Lol! Yes, because typing quick on a phone is the same as not knowing how to spell.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 17, 2019 7:36:32 GMT -5
Of course Canadians (and everyone else) are welcome on this board. Heck, I am literally closer to our Canadian friends on this board than I am to most of all y'all. Everyone is welcome. I just find it odd that someone would spend their days on a board constantly criticizing everything your country does. How their country is better in every aspect. It’s like inviting someone to your home and the entire time having them tell you how everything you do is wrong and how awesome they are. I can’t imagine wanting to be on either side of that! What does one get out of spending their days on a board bitching about how another country runs? Do you spend your days on a board full of people from another country and just bitch about their country? It just seems beyond odd to me. If it was just friendly conversation it would be different. But it is constant “this is how Canada is superior and your country sucks”. Bizarre to me. Of course she is a liberal so her views are inline with 95% of the board. So I get why the us people on here like it. It reinforces how they feel about America. But what can a foreigner get out of spending the day bashing another country? That isn’t me insulting. It’s me not understanding why one would want to do that. What is missing in that persons life? And yes, I’m on my phone so this could be riddled with typos. I don’t take message board posting seriously enough to care
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 17, 2019 7:39:34 GMT -5
To me there is a big difference in bashing our political leadership and things that we have all wrong, such as health insurance. Back in the day I was considered to be anti-American by key people in my life simply for opposing the Nixxon/Kissinger death machine. Being in opposition to that war raised plenty of hackles in certain arenas. However, I was NOT bashing America, land of the free and home of the brave, but was simply dissenting policies that I felt were wrong. Weltz does this. She is actually quite fond of the real America. Just ask her.I am. I'm just not that fond of the shit show you have going on right now. The good thing is, it’s not your shit show. You shouldn’t need to spend your days worrying about it.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 17, 2019 7:45:04 GMT -5
To me there is a big difference in bashing our political leadership and things that we have all wrong, such as health insurance. Back in the day I was considered to be anti-American by key people in my life simply for opposing the Nixxon/Kissinger death machine. Being in opposition to that war raised plenty of hackles in certain arenas. However, I was NOT bashing America, land of the free and home of the brave, but was simply dissenting policies that I felt were wrong. Weltz does this. She is actually quite fond of the real America. Just ask her. The difference is that this is your country. It’s like that most old neighbor that wants to stick her nose in and tell you how you are raising your children all wrong and how her way was the right way and her kids are perfect. Do you hang out on politics boards of other countries and constantly tell them how everything they do is wrong? Spend a lot of time researching and posting links about their politics? Comparing their shitty country to yours? Again, in this case she aligns with the majority of the posters views. Doesn’t make it seem normal to spend that much time on a board to discuss the politics of another country.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 17, 2019 8:33:31 GMT -5
On that note, I’m shutting off notifications to this thread. I try to have an actual conversation on this board but as usual, a couple of posters just can’t do that. Of course, everything has been deleted so the initial finger pointing at me has been deleted. There are some very reasonable, intelligent posters on this board that want to talk issues without bashing those with other views. Then there are those few lovelies that have nothing to add but snarky sound bites
You have run off just about every conservative from here. Utopia I guess since you all believe pretty much the same thing! You can all Reinforce each other’s views all day long
And again, on my phone so there very well could be typos in here. Apparently that is more important than content for some posters.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 17, 2019 10:00:56 GMT -5
Aww...have to protect the heard If you're going to try and insult someone, at least learn how to spell herd. Maybe her point is being "Heard"!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 10:18:44 GMT -5
No, it's called rationing the care. I have quite a few lifelong friends up in Canada. They fill me in on the well omissioned BS posted here, from that Country. Actually rationing the care has little to nothing to do with prescription prices in Canada. Which is what the discussion was about. I read the OP by dem. The thread is about healthcare. If the op was too long and boring, the thread title reflects the subject.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 17, 2019 10:20:47 GMT -5
If you're going to try and insult someone, at least learn how to spell herd. Lol! Yes, because typing quick on a phone is the same as not knowing how to spell. Sloppy work.
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Post by mroped on Dec 17, 2019 10:28:24 GMT -5
I am. I'm just not that fond of the shit show you have going on right now. The good thing is, it’s not your shit show. You shouldn’t need to spend your days worrying about it. So you are basically stating that nobody that lives outside US can point out that we are doing things that hurt us and there are ways to actually improve our lives if only we would pay attention but then we, the US people have the right to tell others how to live their lives? or maybe I am misunderstanding this?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 10:49:36 GMT -5
I read the OP by dem. The thread is about healthcare. If the op was too long and boring, the thread title reflects the subject. Actually- check again. I replied to the OP! Oops, I have a couple members completely coded out on ymam. Way more effective the boards blocking mechanism. Absolutely nothing of what they do comes through to me. Your post shows as the OP. It'll probably happen again, lol.
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Post by justme on Dec 17, 2019 11:10:45 GMT -5
Actually rationing the care has little to nothing to do with prescription prices in Canada. Which is what the discussion was about. I read the OP by dem. The thread is about healthcare. If the op was too long and boring, the thread title reflects the subject. That would be fine if you were just commenting and not quoting me and directly replying to what I said which was specific to prescription coverage.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 17, 2019 12:57:35 GMT -5
I am. I'm just not that fond of the shit show you have going on right now. The good thing is, it’s not your shit show. You shouldn’t need to spend your days worrying about it. You don't think your shit show affects other countries? If that's what you think, you're more clueless than I gave you credit for.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 17, 2019 13:48:48 GMT -5
Ah, interesting. I knew some aren't, at least in Ontario, but I've never sat down and talked with the people I know to talk specifics beyond them having employer coverage for dental, vision, and prescription. A lot of people work where they they don't offer supplemental insurance, or are self-employed, etc. There is a pharmaceutical public plan they sign up for, and it's free. The government pays for 50% of the medications you need. Since I'm retired, I'm on the public plan. Oh noes! I posted without getting permission from YMAM Border Security! Mea culpa.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 17, 2019 16:05:32 GMT -5
Medicare has supplemental programs now. So, I could see a dual-coverage system working. I believe most countries have some kind of dual-coverage scenario, don't they?
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Post by justme on Dec 17, 2019 16:24:00 GMT -5
It varies. In Canada there is no private health insurance allowed (though like I mentioned that rule doesn't cover vision, dental, and prescriptions). Whereas if I'm remembering right (from article I read years ago) around 90% of the people in France have some kind of additional health insurance. England didn't for a while, but I know private practice is becoming a thing over there - not sure if it's all out of pocket pay or if there's secondary policies you can get now. I think at one point it was all out of pocket because I remember people complaining over there about a disease I have that they didn't have the money to go private and the public it was practically impossible to get a medication schedule that was more frequent than the recommended amount.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:40:39 GMT -5
I read the OP by dem. The thread is about healthcare. If the op was too long and boring, the thread title reflects the subject. That would be fine if you were just commenting and not quoting me and directly replying to what I said which was specific to prescription coverage. It's still fine.
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