At what point does belief in far-right conspiracy theories..

[Bob Ross]

...make you legally insane?

Inquring minds (a.k.a. those involved in this mob boss murder case) want to know:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/accused-of-killing-a-gambino-mob-boss-hes-presenting-a-novel-defense/ar-BBXQdmJ?li=BBnbfcL

At one court appearance, Mr. Comello scrawled on his hand a symbol and phrases associated with the far-right conspiracy theory, “QAnon.”

Now, Mr. Comello’s paranoia is being litigated in a Staten Island court, where he is charged with the murder of Mr. Cali, known as Franky Boy. His lawyer has taken the first steps in a legal battle that hinges on a question made for the internet age: At what point does belief in a far-right conspiracy theory make you legally insane?

[thyme4change]

Reading the end, it makes me wonder if it more than just conspiracies. Whispering and stories of being sent by someone - that happens with schizophrenia.

There was a study done about people who successfully use the insanity plea in a case that involves violences. They go to an institution that has a lot of prison like qualities. They are unable to leave and have a struct set of rules. They have no set period for how long they need to be in there and the majority of them spent more time in the institution than they would have in prison. It isnt like they say "Oh, your insane, not responsible, free to go" gavel bang, done. It sounds like it could be worse, except you technically get treatment.

[Tennesseer]

QANON SAYS DEC. 5 WILL BE BANNER DAY FOR CONSPIRACY THEORY, 'THE STORM' HAS YET TO ARRIVE

[dondub]

How many completely insane people do we have in our country?

[dondub]

From all that I have heard about the impending IG report it’s another nothing burger that pops every balloon floating over the space coast of Florida.

[happyhoix]

Dec 6, 2019 19:30:04 GMT -5 dondub said:

From all that I have heard about the impending IG report it’s another nothing burger that pops every balloon floating over the space coast of Florida.

I heard Trump was considering not releasing it at all, because it failed to say what he wanted it to say.

Better to have a 'secret' document he can allude to cryptically than a published nothingburger report, I guess.

[happyhoix]

As for when a far right conspiracy makes you cross over into crazy land - that's hard. I think there are people who maybe aren't clinically paranoid but who still find nefarious forces underlying everyday occurrences, and if someone with that mind set finds some websites that claim to have 'cracked' the secret code, those people easily fall into the rabbit hole of dark net/black hat conspiracy.  

This is not just far right people who get led astray, anti-vaccers have gone far down into the anti-vac rabbit hole, and who can forget that woman who saw a rainbow form in the water from her sprinkler and was convinced it was due to some chemicals coming from jet trailers, launched by the US government to control the weather?

I guess they become literally crazy when they start acting on their web fueled fantasies, like that guy who brought a rifle to the pizza parlor where Hillary supposedly ran her child sex ring.

[ednkris]

Dec 9, 2019 8:55:27 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 6, 2019 19:30:04 GMT -5 dondub said:

From all that I have heard about the impending IG report it’s another nothing burger that pops every balloon floating over the space coast of Florida.

I heard Trump was considering not releasing it at all, because it failed to say what he wanted it to say.

Better to have a 'secret' document he can allude to cryptically than a published nothingburger report, I guess.

or this could ge a conspiracy theory. I find it funny how the left keeps talking about the far right conspiracies yet they fail to see their own bullshit. Just about everything they say about trump is not true but wishful thinking and conspiracy theories. For example What if Trump does not leave the white house oh my god one poster has putin taking over unbelieveable

[happyhoix]

Dec 9, 2019 9:09:39 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 9, 2019 8:55:27 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I heard Trump was considering not releasing it at all, because it failed to say what he wanted it to say.

Better to have a 'secret' document he can allude to cryptically than a published nothingburger report, I guess.

or this could ge a conspiracy theory. I find it funny how the left keeps talking about the far right conspiracies yet they fail to see their own bullshit. Just about everything they say about trump is not true but wishful thinking and conspiracy theories. For example What if Trump does not leave the white house oh my god one poster has putin taking over unbelieveable

I don't think you know what a conspiracy theory is.

I was quoting a single news story I have seen. I don't know if it's true or not. That's why I added the 'I heard' on the front of it - and didn't say "Trump isn't releasing it!'

Conspiracy theories are more complicated than a single news story. They weave together bits and pieces of actual news, 4Chan blogs, social media posts and various drunk uncle websites to come up with these theories about deeply hidden networks of people conspiring to do some massive thing - alter the weather, convert the US to Islam, allow NATO to take over the world, etc. It gets to where the person suffering from these conspiracy theories find menacing meaning in the most banal and random daily events, and they insist that everything has a hidden agenda. For instance, that the Mueller report, and then this second DOJ report, were really investigating all the criminal Dems who have corrupted the government and are allowing the Deep Net people rule America, and on the Big Reveal day, all the Dems would be frog marched to the street and shot.

 

[ednkris]

Dec 9, 2019 9:22:49 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 9, 2019 9:09:39 GMT -5 ednkris said:

or this could ge a conspiracy theory. I find it funny how the left keeps talking about the far right conspiracies yet they fail to see their own bullshit. Just about everything they say about trump is not true but wishful thinking and conspiracy theories. For example What if Trump does not leave the white house oh my god one poster has putin taking over unbelieveable

I don't think you know what a conspiracy theory is.

I was quoting a single news story I have seen. I don't know if it's true or not. That's why I added the 'I heard' on the front of it - and didn't say "Trump isn't releasing it!'

Conspiracy theories are more complicated than a single news story. They weave together bits and pieces of actual news, 4Chan blogs, social media posts and various drunk uncle websites to come up with these theories about deeply hidden networks of people conspiring to do some massive thing - alter the weather, convert the US to Islam, allow NATO to take over the world, etc. It gets to where the person suffering from these conspiracy theories find menacing meaning in the most banal and random daily events, and they insist that everything has a hidden agenda. For instance, that the Mueller report, and then this second DOJ report, were really investigating all the criminal Dems who have corrupted the government and are allowing the Deep Net people rule America, and on the Big Reveal day, all the Dems would be frog marched to the street and shot.

 

or like puting running the white house?

[Deleted]

Dec 9, 2019 9:24:56 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 9, 2019 9:22:49 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I don't think you know what a conspiracy theory is.

I was quoting a single news story I have seen. I don't know if it's true or not. That's why I added the 'I heard' on the front of it - and didn't say "Trump isn't releasing it!'

Conspiracy theories are more complicated than a single news story. They weave together bits and pieces of actual news, 4Chan blogs, social media posts and various drunk uncle websites to come up with these theories about deeply hidden networks of people conspiring to do some massive thing - alter the weather, convert the US to Islam, allow NATO to take over the world, etc. It gets to where the person suffering from these conspiracy theories find menacing meaning in the most banal and random daily events, and they insist that everything has a hidden agenda. For instance, that the Mueller report, and then this second DOJ report, were really investigating all the criminal Dems who have corrupted the government and are allowing the Deep Net people rule America, and on the Big Reveal day, all the Dems would be frog marched to the street and shot.

 

or like puting running the white house?

Did you mean Putin or Poutine?  I think big Poutine has a lot more influence in Ottawa than DC.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 9, 2019 9:24:56 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 9, 2019 9:22:49 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I don't think you know what a conspiracy theory is.

I was quoting a single news story I have seen. I don't know if it's true or not. That's why I added the 'I heard' on the front of it - and didn't say "Trump isn't releasing it!'

Conspiracy theories are more complicated than a single news story. They weave together bits and pieces of actual news, 4Chan blogs, social media posts and various drunk uncle websites to come up with these theories about deeply hidden networks of people conspiring to do some massive thing - alter the weather, convert the US to Islam, allow NATO to take over the world, etc. It gets to where the person suffering from these conspiracy theories find menacing meaning in the most banal and random daily events, and they insist that everything has a hidden agenda. For instance, that the Mueller report, and then this second DOJ report, were really investigating all the criminal Dems who have corrupted the government and are allowing the Deep Net people rule America, and on the Big Reveal day, all the Dems would be frog marched to the street and shot.

 

or like puting running the white house?

precisely.

for the record, I don't think Putin is running the WH.  I think it is a JV with the Trump Corporation. 

[dondub]

Dec 9, 2019 9:09:39 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 9, 2019 8:55:27 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I heard Trump was considering not releasing it at all, because it failed to say what he wanted it to say.

Better to have a 'secret' document he can allude to cryptically than a published nothingburger report, I guess.

or this could ge a conspiracy theory. I find it funny how the left keeps talking about the far right conspiracies yet they fail to see their own bullshit. Just about everything they say about trump is not true but wishful thinking and conspiracy theories. For example What if Trump does not leave the white house oh my god one poster has putin taking over unbelieveable

Sorry Ed, but there is a vast difference between one poster here that has Putinized herself versus the entire Repo-Con establishment that is pushing a variety of theories. You have Trump sending Barr all over the world digging for info re: the Steele dossier, Fusion GPS etc. then there is the IG trying to find the vast Hillary/Obama/FBI coup of Trump. Don’t forget Pizzagate. Or that idiot Sen. Kennedy that just doesn’t seem to be able to make up his mind about the Ukrainians. Now we have Bidengate. It’s endless isn’t it.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 9, 2019 11:46:07 GMT -5 dondub said:

Dec 9, 2019 9:09:39 GMT -5 ednkris said:

or this could ge a conspiracy theory. I find it funny how the left keeps talking about the far right conspiracies yet they fail to see their own bullshit. Just about everything they say about trump is not true but wishful thinking and conspiracy theories. For example What if Trump does not leave the white house oh my god one poster has putin taking over unbelieveable

Sorry Ed, but there is a vast difference between one poster here that has Putinized herself versus the entire Repo-Con establishment that is pushing a variety of theories. You have Trump sending Barr all over the world digging for info re: the Steele dossier, Fusion GPS etc. then there is the IG trying to find the vast Hillary/Obama/FBI coup of Trump. Don’t forget Pizzagate. Or that idiot Sen. Kennedy that just doesn’t seem to be able to make up his mind about the Ukrainians. Now we have Bidengate. It’s endless isn’t it.

speaking of which, how is that little research project going for Barr?  haven't heard a peep about it, since it was leaked.

[dondub]

Dec 9, 2019 11:48:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 9, 2019 11:46:07 GMT -5 dondub said:

Sorry Ed, but there is a vast difference between one poster here that has Putinized herself versus the entire Repo-Con establishment that is pushing a variety of theories. You have Trump sending Barr all over the world digging for info re: the Steele dossier, Fusion GPS etc. then there is the IG trying to find the vast Hillary/Obama/FBI coup of Trump. Don’t forget Pizzagate. Or that idiot Sen. Kennedy that just doesn’t seem to be able to make up his mind about the Ukrainians. Now we have Bidengate. It’s endless isn’t it.

speaking of which, how is that little research project going for Barr?  haven't heard a peep about it, since it was leaked.

. As another poster posited earlier it may be a nothingburger (as is from what I’ve heard) and thus will be more important to not release it and use that secrecy to keep the true believers on the hook. Seems entirely plausible as that would fit quite nicely into the Trump propaganda swirl.

[Deleted]

Dec 6, 2019 16:08:18 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

...make you legally insane?

Inquring minds (a.k.a. those involved in this mob boss murder case) want to know:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/accused-of-killing-a-gambino-mob-boss-hes-presenting-a-novel-defense/ar-BBXQdmJ?li=BBnbfcL

At one court appearance, Mr. Comello scrawled on his hand a symbol and phrases associated with the far-right conspiracy theory, “QAnon.”

Now, Mr. Comello’s paranoia is being litigated in a Staten Island court, where he is charged with the murder of Mr. Cali, known as Franky Boy. His lawyer has taken the first steps in a legal battle that hinges on a question made for the internet age: At what point does belief in a far-right conspiracy theory make you legally insane?

When you stop believing in the far left ones ?  (bolded)

You lose that balance. 


Kind of like posting msn links.  

[Bob Ross]

Dec 9, 2019 12:21:49 GMT -5 @x said:

Dec 6, 2019 16:08:18 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

...make you legally insane?

Inquring minds (a.k.a. those involved in this mob boss murder case) want to know:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/accused-of-killing-a-gambino-mob-boss-hes-presenting-a-novel-defense/ar-BBXQdmJ?li=BBnbfcL

When you stop believing in the far left ones ?  (bolded)

You lose that balance. 


Kind of like posting msn links.  

Yep, those wacky msn links.

mediabiasfactcheck.com/msn-com/

Left-center bias with a high degree of factual reporting.

[billisonboard]

Dec 9, 2019 13:10:01 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

Dec 9, 2019 12:21:49 GMT -5 @x said:

When you stop believing in the far left ones ?  (bolded)

You lose that balance. 


Kind of like posting msn links.  

Yep, those wacky msn links.

mediabiasfactcheck.com/msn-com/

Left-center bias with a high degree of factual reporting.

From the link:

It should be noted that we are not stating MSN is willfully biased, we are pointing out that the sources used have a preference for the left according to our ratings. This could be due to how the algorithm works and also that there simply are more mainstream news media that leans left.

Not to mention that they would be negatively impacted on the "high degree of factual reporting" scale if they included more far and right leaning sources.

[thyme4change]

Dec 9, 2019 9:09:39 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 9, 2019 8:55:27 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I heard Trump was considering not releasing it at all, because it failed to say what he wanted it to say.

Better to have a 'secret' document he can allude to cryptically than a published nothingburger report, I guess.

or this could ge a conspiracy theory. I find it funny how the left keeps talking about the far right conspiracies yet they fail to see their own bullshit. Just about everything they say about trump is not true but wishful thinking and conspiracy theories. For example What if Trump does not leave the white house oh my god one poster has putin taking over unbelieveable

And I called her out on that. There are a lot of unhealthy conspiracy theories and other fatalistic ideas on the left.

But Trump is orange, and a terrible president.

[weltschmerz]

Dec 9, 2019 9:09:39 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 9, 2019 8:55:27 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I heard Trump was considering not releasing it at all, because it failed to say what he wanted it to say.

Better to have a 'secret' document he can allude to cryptically than a published nothingburger report, I guess.

or this could ge a conspiracy theory. I find it funny how the left keeps talking about the far right conspiracies yet they fail to see their own bullshit. Just about everything they say about trump is not true but wishful thinking and conspiracy theories. For example What if Trump does not leave the white house oh my god one poster has putin taking over unbelieveable

Would you be kind enough to provide a list of left-wing conspiracy theories? Even a partial list will do. Thanks ever so much.

[ednkris]

Dec 9, 2019 21:37:50 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Dec 9, 2019 9:09:39 GMT -5 ednkris said:

or this could ge a conspiracy theory. I find it funny how the left keeps talking about the far right conspiracies yet they fail to see their own bullshit. Just about everything they say about trump is not true but wishful thinking and conspiracy theories. For example What if Trump does not leave the white house oh my god one poster has putin taking over unbelieveable

Would you be kind enough to provide a list of left-wing conspiracy theories? Even a partial list will do. Thanks ever so much.

I didn't say left conspiracy theories, I said left bullshit.

Trump won't leave the white house 
Trump putting kids in cages (this was started under the previous administration)

Trump has high cholesterol 

Trump has putin running the white house 

Trump is racist
Trump is a rapist
All of these are unfounded therefore untrue, nothing but yammering on because people cannot accept the reality of Trump winning the election 

[weltschmerz]

Dec 9, 2019 22:07:08 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 9, 2019 21:37:50 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Would you be kind enough to provide a list of left-wing conspiracy theories? Even a partial list will do. Thanks ever so much.

I didn't say left conspiracy theories, I said left bullshit.

Trump won't leave the white house 
Trump putting kids in cages (this was started under the previous administration)

Trump has high cholesterol 

Trump has putin running the white house 

Trump is racist
Trump is a rapist
All of these are unfounded therefore untrue, nothing but yammering on because people cannot accept the reality of Trump winning the election 

Lol!  Well, when a guy admits that he doesn't like black people counting his money, calls black people lazy, tells non-white American citizens to go back to their countries, wants white immigration from places like Norway and not "shit-hole countries", sued by the state for not renting to blacks, what do YOU call that? Not racist? Extremely tolerant? Accepting diversity?

[swamp]

Dec 9, 2019 22:07:08 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 9, 2019 21:37:50 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Would you be kind enough to provide a list of left-wing conspiracy theories? Even a partial list will do. Thanks ever so much.

I didn't say left conspiracy theories, I said left bullshit.

Trump won't leave the white house 
Trump putting kids in cages (this was started under the previous administration)

Trump has high cholesterol 

Trump has putin running the white house 

Trump is racist
Trump is a rapist
All of these are unfounded therefore untrue, nothing but yammering on because people cannot accept the reality of Trump winning the election 

Trump takes a statin, that was in his official health report.  Statins are for high cholesterol.  I take one.  It’s genetic.  It’s not some whacky left wing conspiracy.  Probably half of 70 year old fat guys take them. 

And his administration does keep immigrant kids in cages.  It doesn’t matter who started the program.  It’s wrong.  

[ednkris]

Dec 9, 2019 22:18:49 GMT -5 swamp said:

Dec 9, 2019 22:07:08 GMT -5 ednkris said:

I didn't say left conspiracy theories, I said left bullshit.

Trump won't leave the white house 
Trump putting kids in cages (this was started under the previous administration)

Trump has high cholesterol 

Trump has putin running the white house 

Trump is racist
Trump is a rapist
All of these are unfounded therefore untrue, nothing but yammering on because people cannot accept the reality of Trump winning the election 

Trump takes a statin, that was in his official health report.  Statins are for high cholesterol.  I take one.  It’s genetic.  It’s not some whacky left wing conspiracy.  Probably half of 70 year old fat guys take them. 

And his administration does keep immigrant kids in cages.  It doesn’t matter who started the program.  It’s wrong.  

I didn't know about the statin..people on here act like he is dying of course that more to their wishful thinking
If it is wrong now then it should have been wrong then to put the kids in cages but crikets...no one want to say anything about that...such bias bullshit

[dondub]

Dec 9, 2019 22:18:49 GMT -5 swamp said:

Dec 9, 2019 22:07:08 GMT -5 ednkris said:

I didn't say left conspiracy theories, I said left bullshit.

Trump won't leave the white house 
Trump putting kids in cages (this was started under the previous administration)

Trump has high cholesterol 

Trump has putin running the white house 

Trump is racist
Trump is a rapist
All of these are unfounded therefore untrue, nothing but yammering on because people cannot accept the reality of Trump winning the election 

Trump takes a statin, that was in his official health report.  Statins are for high cholesterol.  I take one.  It’s genetic.  It’s not some whacky left wing conspiracy.  Probably half of 70 year old fat guys take them. 

And his administration does keep immigrant kids in cages.  It doesn’t matter who started the program.  It’s wrong.  

At 67 I take a statin at 6’4” and 215. You don’t even have to be fat to need them.

[dondub]

Dec 9, 2019 22:07:08 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 9, 2019 21:37:50 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Would you be kind enough to provide a list of left-wing conspiracy theories? Even a partial list will do. Thanks ever so much.

I didn't say left conspiracy theories, I said left bullshit.

Trump won't leave the white house 
Trump putting kids in cages (this was started under the previous administration)

Trump has high cholesterol 

Trump has putin running the white house 

Trump is racist
Trump is a rapist
All of these are unfounded therefore untrue, nothing but yammering on because people cannot accept the reality of Trump winning the election 

Unfounded means having ‘no foundation or basis in fact’. Does not make them untrue, just not proven to your standard, which, I believe, is in a court of law.

Having high cholesterol is not a crime. He has it.

His admin has put kids in cages.

He is clearly racist and a court of law proved that years ago. Just because you aren’t familiar with the case doesn’t mean it never happened.

His first wife said in a sworn deposition that he raped her. Perhaps you are one of those men that doesn’t believe in marital rape. There are other allegations of course. That they haven’t been proven does not make them untrue. You reached a bit too far with that assertion.

One poster here made a comment about Putin in the White House. I wouldn’t make too big of a broad brushstroke on that one.

But remember this...innocent until proven guilty is a far cry from ‘if not yet found guilty it’s untrue. We have numerous women with eyewitness testimony to his sexual predation. He himself has told many stories about ‘kissing her’, ‘moving on her’, grab ‘em by the vulva’. He has paid at least $25 million to avoid criminal charges of fraud. He has made campaign contribution violations by paying off porn stars he had relations with while Melania was home nursing a new born. These have all been proven and are therefore not bullshit.

[weltschmerz]

Dec 9, 2019 22:26:59 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 9, 2019 22:18:49 GMT -5 swamp said:

Trump takes a statin, that was in his official health report.  Statins are for high cholesterol.  I take one.  It’s genetic.  It’s not some whacky left wing conspiracy.  Probably half of 70 year old fat guys take them. 

And his administration does keep immigrant kids in cages.  It doesn’t matter who started the program.  It’s wrong.  

I didn't know about the statin..people on here act like he is dying of course that more to their wishful thinking
If it is wrong now then it should have been wrong then to put the kids in cages but crikets...no one want to say anything about that...such bias bullshit

Who on this board keeps acting like he's dying?  Kindly back up your claim please and thank you.

Is that anything like Hillary having Parkinson's and/or coughing, and will surely be dead in two weeks?

[ednkris]

Dec 10, 2019 0:57:05 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Dec 9, 2019 22:26:59 GMT -5 ednkris said:

I didn't know about the statin..people on here act like he is dying of course that more to their wishful thinking
If it is wrong now then it should have been wrong then to put the kids in cages but crikets...no one want to say anything about that...such bias bullshit

Who on this board keeps acting like he's dying?  Kindly back up your claim please and thank you.

Is that anything like Hillary having Parkinson's and/or coughing, and will surely be dead in two weeks?

I'm not going to dig thru posts, I'm not retired and have better things to do with my limited time.

You are correct the are some good whoppers from this side about Hillary. 

[ednkris]

Dec 9, 2019 23:17:16 GMT -5 dondub said:

Dec 9, 2019 22:07:08 GMT -5 ednkris said:

I didn't say left conspiracy theories, I said left bullshit.

Trump won't leave the white house 
Trump putting kids in cages (this was started under the previous administration)

Trump has high cholesterol 

Trump has putin running the white house 

Trump is racist
Trump is a rapist
All of these are unfounded therefore untrue, nothing but yammering on because people cannot accept the reality of Trump winning the election 

Unfounded means having ‘no foundation or basis in fact’. Does not make them untrue, just not proven to your standard, which, I believe, is in a court of law.

Having high cholesterol is not a crime. He has it.

His admin has put kids in cages.

He is clearly racist and a court of law proved that years ago. Just because you aren’t familiar with the case doesn’t mean it never happened.

His first wife said in a sworn deposition that he raped her. Perhaps you are one of those men that doesn’t believe in marital rape. There are other allegations of course. That they haven’t been proven does not make them untrue. You reached a bit too far with that assertion.

One poster here made a comment about Putin in the White House. I wouldn’t make too big of a broad brushstroke on that one.

But remember this...innocent until proven guilty is a far cry from ‘if not yet found guilty it’s untrue. We have numerous women with eyewitness testimony to his sexual predation. He himself has told many stories about ‘kissing her’, ‘moving on her’, grab ‘em by the vulva’. He has paid at least $25 million to avoid criminal charges of fraud. He has made campaign contribution violations by paying off porn stars he had relations with while Melania was home nursing a new born. These have all been proven and are therefore not bullshit.

The---"They haven't been proven does not make them untrue" is crap if not proven then there is a presumption of innocence not a presumption of guilt. The former wife Ivana gave the deposition of rape, did he get arrested no, she got money so is he a rapist or is she a liar wore that wanted a payday

[dondub]

Dec 10, 2019 6:56:31 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 9, 2019 23:17:16 GMT -5 dondub said:

Unfounded means having ‘no foundation or basis in fact’. Does not make them untrue, just not proven to your standard, which, I believe, is in a court of law.

Having high cholesterol is not a crime. He has it.

His admin has put kids in cages.

He is clearly racist and a court of law proved that years ago. Just because you aren’t familiar with the case doesn’t mean it never happened.

His first wife said in a sworn deposition that he raped her. Perhaps you are one of those men that doesn’t believe in marital rape. There are other allegations of course. That they haven’t been proven does not make them untrue. You reached a bit too far with that assertion.

One poster here made a comment about Putin in the White House. I wouldn’t make too big of a broad brushstroke on that one.

But remember this...innocent until proven guilty is a far cry from ‘if not yet found guilty it’s untrue. We have numerous women with eyewitness testimony to his sexual predation. He himself has told many stories about ‘kissing her’, ‘moving on her’, grab ‘em by the vulva’. He has paid at least $25 million to avoid criminal charges of fraud. He has made campaign contribution violations by paying off porn stars he had relations with while Melania was home nursing a new born. These have all been proven and are therefore not bullshit.

The---"They haven't been proven does not make them untrue" is crap if not proven then there is a presumption of innocence not a presumption of guilt. The former wife Ivana gave the deposition of rape, did he get arrested no, she got money so is he a rapist or is she a liar wore that wanted a payday

Let’s try this again Ed. I’ll keep it simple this time. Unproven does not meet untrue. See how that works now?

Ivana was bought off for millions. Similar technique has been used many times by Trump in legal matters. Such as the $25 million to settle the Trump U. suit to avoid future fraud charges. It’s what the wealthy have always been able to do.