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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 3, 2019 19:39:11 GMT -5
A typical compassionate conservative response to all the death that would occur if you had your way. Ignore it if you want but the facts prove it. Pro-death. What a guy! There was nothing wrong with the health system before ACA. if you needed care hospitals would not turn you away. That's bullshit. The hospitals just stabilize you and then send you home. Try going to the ER if you have kidney failure and need dialysis. Try going to the ER for diabetes treatment. Without insurance, you're out of luck, and a LOT of people don't have insurance. You're so full of crap.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2019 19:41:30 GMT -5
I find that implausible.
so, the idea that George Washington had a set of dentures made from slaves didn't bug you? it bugged me, and I am not a huge fan of Washington at all. it bugged me because it challenges what I DO believe about Washington.
if the comic is correct, challenging the set beliefs of Trump voters is not the way forward. but if that is true, what is?
The dentures didn't bother me because i would suspect all sorts of vile things happened and since it was so long ago i won't let it get to me emotionally as far as the challanging the set beliefs of Trump voters is the way forward i have to ask Why? sorry if I was unclear, but I meant beliefs in things that are clearly not true, and of significance.
do I really care if Trump supporters believe that Obama is a Muslim, and that Pizzagate is a real thing? not really.
do I really care if Trump supporters think that China invented Global Warming to challenge American hegemony, and build a global dynasty? absolutely.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 3, 2019 19:54:58 GMT -5
Yes, when Obama comes here, he speaks to packed houses. When Trump came here, there were petitions and mass protests to keep him out. You mean here as in Canada, does that or they even matter Lol! It certainly seemed to matter when Trump was having hissy fits over NAFTA.
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Post by swamp on Dec 3, 2019 20:24:12 GMT -5
Yes, when Obama comes here, he speaks to packed houses. When Trump came here, there were petitions and mass protests to keep him out. You mean here as in Canada, does that or they even matter Yes it does matter. They are our biggest trading panther. They’ve fought with us in wars. The are a large source of our food, water, oil, natural gas, and hydropower. Your response is rude and small minded.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 3, 2019 22:11:04 GMT -5
You mean here as in Canada, does that or they even matter Yes it does matter. They are our biggest trading panther. They’ve fought with us in wars. The are a large source of our food, water, oil, natural gas, and hydropower. Your response is rude and small minded. It’s also arrogant and ignorant.
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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 23:35:31 GMT -5
Yes it does matter. They are our biggest trading panther. They’ve fought with us in wars. The are a large source of our food, water, oil, natural gas, and hydropower. Your response is rude and small minded. It’s also arrogant and ignorant. Maybe but it's the truth. If Canada ceased to exist most Americans would not even notice as it would affect us little to none at all.
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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 23:38:58 GMT -5
There was nothing wrong with the health system before ACA. if you needed care hospitals would not turn you away. That's bullshit. The hospitals just stabilize you and then send you home. Try going to the ER if you have kidney failure and need dialysis. Try going to the ER for diabetes treatment. Without insurance, you're out of luck, and a LOT of people don't have insurance. You're so full of crap. You think that's what really happens....pre aca I know of 2 people who had life saving heart surgery one was jobless the other had a job no ins.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2019 23:55:15 GMT -5
That's bullshit. The hospitals just stabilize you and then send you home. Try going to the ER if you have kidney failure and need dialysis. Try going to the ER for diabetes treatment. Without insurance, you're out of luck, and a LOT of people don't have insurance. You're so full of crap. You think that's what really happens....pre aca I know of 2 people who had life saving heart surgery one was jobless the other had a job no ins. were either getting MC?
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Post by ednkris on Dec 4, 2019 0:01:40 GMT -5
You think that's what really happens....pre aca I know of 2 people who had life saving heart surgery one was jobless the other had a job no ins. were either getting MC? I know the one with job job wasn't. To be honest I don't know about the other
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 4, 2019 0:13:32 GMT -5
How easily you downplay a mass variety of evidence re: Trump's behavior. There are numerous women that have eyewitness accounts of his abuse. His first wife gave a deposition that he had raped her. His misogyny is on display anytime he comes up against a strong women where he belittles them or acts out an orgasm for all the world to see. His first racist conviction came back in the 70's in NYC. That in and of itself would meet any standard for "real facts that prove it".
In the meantime: -NO new wall -NO tremendous new healthcare plan -NO increase in manufacturing -NO decrease in the deficit Wall is being built --had to circumvent some funding but it is being built I mention healthcare i'm at odds on this, don't need a new one just abolish the old one don't know where you are manufacturing is booming here in SCDeficit, you got me there then lets see where it will end of after his next term (there will be one, the dems only have ass clowns that can't touch him). As long as he has added 1 dollar less than obama i will call that a success Is Mexico paying for the wall as trump promised us? No. You do realize the treatment at hospitals for those without medical insurance is paid for by you and me when our medical treatments and medical insurance premiums rise, yes? A key manufacturing index shows the US remains in contraction territoryDecember 2, 2019 * The ISM Manufacturing Index registered 48.1 in November, down from 48.3 in October and below market expectations of 49.4. * Anything below 50 represents contraction in a survey that gauges the activities of goods producers. * Particular weakness came in inventories and new orders, while employment also showed reduced expectations. Manufacturing activity continued to lag in November amid a decline in inventories and new orders, according to the latest ISM Manufacturing reading released Monday. The reading came in at 48.1 vs. an expectation of 49.4 and the previous month’s reading of 48.3. Though the level is usually reported as a simple number, it actually denotes the percentage of manufacturers planning to expand operations. A reading below 50 represents contraction; November was the fourth straight month below the expansion level. Complete article here: A key manufacturing index shows the US remains in contraction territory
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 4, 2019 0:23:47 GMT -5
It’s also arrogant and ignorant. Maybe but it's the truth. If Canada ceased to exist most Americans would not even notice as it would affect us little to none at all. Saving some of your quotes for posterity.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 4, 2019 0:32:18 GMT -5
Wall is being built --had to circumvent some funding but it is being built I mention healthcare i'm at odds on this, don't need a new one just abolish the old one don't know where you are manufacturing is booming here in SCDeficit, you got me there then lets see where it will end of after his next term (there will be one, the dems only have ass clowns that can't touch him). As long as he has added 1 dollar less than obama i will call that a success Is Mexico paying for the wall as trump promised us? No. You do realize the treatment at hospitals for those without medical insurance is paid for by you and me when our medical treatments and medical insurance premiums rise, yes? A key manufacturing index shows the US remains in contraction territoryDecember 2, 2019 * The ISM Manufacturing Index registered 48.1 in November, down from 48.3 in October and below market expectations of 49.4. * Anything below 50 represents contraction in a survey that gauges the activities of goods producers. * Particular weakness came in inventories and new orders, while employment also showed reduced expectations. Manufacturing activity continued to lag in November amid a decline in inventories and new orders, according to the latest ISM Manufacturing reading released Monday. The reading came in at 48.1 vs. an expectation of 49.4 and the previous month’s reading of 48.3. Though the level is usually reported as a simple number, it actually denotes the percentage of manufacturers planning to expand operations. A reading below 50 represents contraction; November was the fourth straight month below the expansion level. Complete article here: A key manufacturing index shows the US remains in contraction territorywww.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-09/despite-trump-vow-manufacturing-in-recession
didn't see this headline until tonight. it is almost 2 months old.
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Post by dezii on Dec 4, 2019 0:41:07 GMT -5
Damn right and all Americans ….except the skin heads and anti white, black, Jews, Latin's, brown, yellow, any who are different....know this. Four more years of the last soap opera with no constraints on him at all...Can't count on the pubs as we have seen and if he wins, Dems have shot their load...end of eight years of this narcistick one...You won't recognize America... Their standing in the world as the #1 will be overtaken by China and USA a very strong second class nation, with influence of a second rate.. Kind of like France, England, Italy and such..but a bit more because of the strong military..hugh nuclear..but realistically, all know never to be used .. {but slowly decreasing of strong military as it becomes harder and harder to financially support...our deficit and raising interest costs draining our assets, finally catching up to us and interest rates starting to climb a bit...even a slight increase, on our debt, unsustainable IMHO} We were already looked at as a second class nation since the last pity full administration you know red line in the sand with no balls to back it up. We are America tbe leader now all knows it. You want help pay for it Not true ...last POTUS and Administration was not only one of the highest rated ones in our country but admired and loved world wide...and still is, unlike today where our leadership is hated... Second class? BS...Give us links....
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Post by dezii on Dec 4, 2019 0:49:57 GMT -5
That's bullshit. The hospitals just stabilize you and then send you home. Try going to the ER if you have kidney failure and need dialysis. Try going to the ER for diabetes treatment. Without insurance, you're out of luck, and a LOT of people don't have insurance. You're so full of crap. You think that's what really happens....pre aca I know of 2 people who had life saving heart surgery one was jobless the other had a job no ins. We have posters here from medical profession...they will tell u how full of it u are... As far as these two people u know getting life saving treatment...I don't believe u and the proof is u are just so full of it like the leader u love...u cry "wolf is coming", "sky is falling" just too many times...
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Post by dondub on Dec 4, 2019 1:22:47 GMT -5
Medical bancos are way down under the ACA. In Ed’s example there were huge bills. Numerous hospitals, doctors practices, and clinics went down as the weight of unpaid bills generated by the uninsured did them in.
Hey, gee whiz, I wonder why we pay double of what the more civilized nations pay and I do recall Ed whining about premium increases.
Then there is the huge reduction in deaths. I know Ed knows about that Harvard study done just before the ACA came on board. He complained it was too old. Sheesh. When you go pro-death I guess you go all in.
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 4, 2019 5:35:10 GMT -5
That's bullshit. The hospitals just stabilize you and then send you home. Try going to the ER if you have kidney failure and need dialysis. Try going to the ER for diabetes treatment. Without insurance, you're out of luck, and a LOT of people don't have insurance. You're so full of crap. You think that's what really happens....pre aca I know of 2 people who had life saving heart surgery one was jobless the other had a job no ins. You think those cost just went away? Guess what happens? The hospital passes those cost off by higher prices for those of us that have insurance, which in turn causes our rates to go up. Has been happening for 40 years. Since your conservative hero Ronald Regan "socialized" health care. Why don't you ever bitch about that? If you really want free market, those two people you know shouldn't have been treated on my dime.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 4, 2019 8:03:40 GMT -5
That's bullshit. The hospitals just stabilize you and then send you home. Try going to the ER if you have kidney failure and need dialysis. Try going to the ER for diabetes treatment. Without insurance, you're out of luck, and a LOT of people don't have insurance. You're so full of crap. You think that's what really happens....pre aca I know of 2 people who had life saving heart surgery one was jobless the other had a job no ins. And I know a woman with a benign tumor who got turned away. She had to go buy insurance, wait six months, THEN go get the surgery, all while having the orange size tumor in her abdomen.
Because she was a self employed hair dresser without access to group health care insurance.
Of course, she could have gotten the surgery right away and paid 100% of the costs herself, over time, for the next 30 years, on some kind of payment plan, which is probably what the guy you knew without health insurance did.
You may consider those good options, I think both suck for a country as great as ours. We're more like a third world country, in that respect.
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Post by swamp on Dec 4, 2019 8:37:37 GMT -5
It’s also arrogant and ignorant. Maybe but it's the truth. If Canada ceased to exist most Americans would not even notice as it would affect us little to none at all. You would if you’re sitting in the dark because our US generated electricity isn’t enough to meet the demand. You also will have a lumber shortage, so the cost of housing will skyrocket.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 4, 2019 8:59:41 GMT -5
There was nothing wrong with the health system before ACA. if you needed care hospitals would not turn you away. That's bullshit. The hospitals just stabilize you and then send you home. Try going to the ER if you have kidney failure and need dialysis. Try going to the ER for diabetes treatment. Without insurance, you're out of luck, and a LOT of people don't have insurance.You're so full of crap. That's impossible under Obamacare,, That fixed everything!!
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 4, 2019 9:03:08 GMT -5
That's bullshit. The hospitals just stabilize you and then send you home. Try going to the ER if you have kidney failure and need dialysis. Try going to the ER for diabetes treatment. Without insurance, you're out of luck, and a LOT of people don't have insurance.You're so full of crap. That's impossible under Obamacare,, That fixed everything!! That's impossible, TrumpCare did!
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 4, 2019 9:03:19 GMT -5
Maybe but it's the truth. If Canada ceased to exist most Americans would not even notice as it would affect us little to none at all. You would if you’re sitting in the dark because our US generated electricity isn’t enough to meet the demand.
You also will have a lumber shortage, so the cost of housing will skyrocket. You mean we need Canada because of all the burden place on U.S. companies thru over regulation??
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 4, 2019 9:08:44 GMT -5
That's impossible under Obamacare,, That fixed everything!! That's impossible, TrumpCare did! In the Real World Under Obamacare, you go to the ER with kidney failure.
You do not have the $6000 deductible, guess what happens to you!!
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 4, 2019 9:10:12 GMT -5
Hellary's emails. The server. Jimmy Hoffa. Whatever became of Judge Crater? 45 will blame Macron for today's stock market. Strange that you do not mention Macron's popularity numbers in France. They are worse than Trump's!
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 4, 2019 9:14:37 GMT -5
That's impossible, TrumpCare did! In the Real World Under Obamacare, you go to the ER with kidney failure.
You do not have the $6000 deductible, guess what happens to you!!
$6k is pretty cheap for kidney failure, my dad suffered from kidney disease and I saw the bills related. Guess what happens to the rest of us? We don't have those cost passed on because the person has insurance. Do you think before the ACA those cost magically disappeared?
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 4, 2019 9:19:08 GMT -5
and the required deductible come from outer space??
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 4, 2019 9:26:27 GMT -5
and the required deductible come from outer space?? I understand math is not your strong suit, but $6k is a lot less to be passed on to people who are insured than hundreds of thousands of dollars for kidney failure, heart surgery, etc. Like conservatives tout, they are going to get treatment anyway.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 4, 2019 9:34:17 GMT -5
Yea, I remember when my Marine Grandson come to me needing to borrow $6000 deductible, for surgery. No deductible ,, no surgery! Finally was taken care by the VA, as it should have been since the problem was cause while in service. Under Obamacare, no deductible, no surgery!
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Post by swamp on Dec 4, 2019 10:00:17 GMT -5
You would if you’re sitting in the dark because our US generated electricity isn’t enough to meet the demand.
You also will have a lumber shortage, so the cost of housing will skyrocket. You mean we need Canada because of all the burden place on U.S. companies thru over regulation?? No. We don't grow enough trees or make enough electricity to meet our needs.
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Post by swamp on Dec 4, 2019 10:01:22 GMT -5
That's impossible, TrumpCare did! In the Real World Under Obamacare, you go to the ER with kidney failure.
You do not have the $6000 deductible, guess what happens to you!!
You don't get treated without Obamacare either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 10:15:46 GMT -5
Hellary's emails. The server. Jimmy Hoffa. Whatever became of Judge Crater? 45 will blame Macron for today's stock market. Strange that you do not mention Macron's popularity numbers in France. They are worse than Trump's! Didn't mention his numbers because it had nothing to do with the subject at hand. But his numbers are going up, as are Trudeau's.
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