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Post by swamp on Dec 2, 2019 9:53:52 GMT -5
Bills, If Trump get beat in the next election, So Be It, It will make very little change to my life. Do I see the flaws in Trump, we all do. I don't let the little things and I do mean little things bother me. let me point out, when I put out the "Wooooo Hoooooo, Trump is Making America Great Again" Would come after some one bad mouthing Trump. Rather than me saying something like,,,
You dumb uneducated SOB, how can you fail to see the light?? in defending something Trump did ,, good or bad.
My Wooooo Hooooo was better than the "You dumb SOB! So, if you would like to see me mellow out a little,,, my fellow posters might try doing the same.
little things like cozying up to dictators, dismissing intelligence briefings, and making a profit from all his golfing trips (yes, he does charge the government full market value to feed and host the governmental entourage that accompanies him to his properties)?
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 2, 2019 9:55:35 GMT -5
Hey what is there not to like about Trump Presidency? All you need to do is ignore his tweeter fingers. Good things, I got a nice tax cut! My mutual funds are doing great! Price of fuel is not outrageous. My home is worth more every day! Business is really good! He got out of the terrible Global Warming money sucking pit!! Unemployment is so low, right now , if you do have a job , you don't want one.
Even my oldest grandson now have jobs, Holy Crap. If you don't thinks unemployment is low,,,, Even Colin Kaepernick got a job interview!!! But he blew it!!
And aside from the tax cut, which can be argued may be good for the individual but bad for the country and also more than offset by the tariffs of his trade war, and the exit from the "Global Warming money pit" which may have dire consequences for the future, why do you think Donald Trump is responsible for any of the above? Good morning Bob, I hope the morning finds you doing well!! When the deficit was under Obama, it was good,,, now that the deficit is under Trump, it is bad !! did I get that right? Why did Trump impose tariffs? hmmmmm, was it because of the Tariff imposed on our producers? It was OK if they did it to us? Tariffs have done very little to me or most of the people I deal with. Global warming,,, Sigh!,,, Like there were never any record temperatures before, Now that we are five years past "All the Arctic ice will be gone by 2012!!!" is it gone? For Me, Trump is doing a great job!!. if only he could stop tweeting and keep his mouth shut!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 2, 2019 9:56:57 GMT -5
Bills, If Trump get beat in the next election, So Be It, It will make very little change to my life. Do I see the flaws in Trump, we all do. I don't let the little things and I do mean little things bother me. let me point out, when I put out the "Wooooo Hoooooo, Trump is Making America Great Again" Would come after some one bad mouthing Trump. Rather than me saying something like,,,
You dumb uneducated SOB, how can you fail to see the light?? in defending something Trump did ,, good or bad.
My Wooooo Hooooo was better than the "You dumb SOB! So, if you would like to see me mellow out a little,,, my fellow posters might try doing the same.
little things like cozying up to dictators, dismissing intelligence briefings, and making a profit from all his golfing trips (yes, he does charge the government full market value to feed and host the governmental entourage that accompanies him to his properties)? uhhhh, Do you work for free?? huge discounts to government accounts??
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Post by swamp on Dec 2, 2019 10:00:01 GMT -5
little things like cozying up to dictators, dismissing intelligence briefings, and making a profit from all his golfing trips (yes, he does charge the government full market value to feed and host the governmental entourage that accompanies him to his properties)? uhhhh, Do you work for free?? huge discounts to government accounts?? No, but I'm not self dealing. I also didn't run on the platform and make a bid deal about of "I won't take a salary." Yeah, he gives away the salary in exchange for millions of dollars from the government he is not supposed to make a profit from. Color me shocked that you don't see the difference. ETA: I am on a few volunteer boards. They often need some legal work done. I am very clear that I cannot accept the work because it is unethical to profit from my service. And yes, I have done some work for them for free.
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Post by Bob Ross on Dec 2, 2019 10:04:26 GMT -5
And aside from the tax cut, which can be argued may be good for the individual but bad for the country and also more than offset by the tariffs of his trade war, and the exit from the "Global Warming money pit" which may have dire consequences for the future, why do you think Donald Trump is responsible for any of the above? Good morning Bob, I hope the morning finds you doing well!! When the deficit was under Obama, it was good,,, now that the deficit is under Trump, it is bad !! did I get that right? Why did Trump impose tariffs? hmmmmm, was it because of the Tariff imposed on our producers? It was OK if they did it to us? Tariffs have done very little to me or most of the people I deal with. Global warming,,, Sigh!,,, Like there were never any record temperatures before, Now that we are five years past "All the Arctic ice will be gone by 2012!!!" is it gone? For Me, Trump is doing a great job!!. if only he could stop tweeting and keep his mouth shut!!
I don't think you quite understood my questions, so I'll ask them again, more directly this time. How is Trump responsible for your mutual funds doing great? How is Trump responsible for the price of fuel not being outrageous? How is Trump responsible for your home being worth more every day? How is Trump responsible for your business being really good? How is Trump responsible for unemployment being so low? How is Trump responsible for your grandkids having jobs?
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 2, 2019 10:14:37 GMT -5
Bills, If Trump get beat in the next election, So Be It, It will make very little change to my life. Do I see the flaws in Trump, we all do. I don't let the little things and I do mean little things bother me. let me point out, when I put out the "Wooooo Hoooooo, Trump is Making America Great Again" Would come after some one bad mouthing Trump. Rather than me saying something like,,,
You dumb uneducated SOB, how can you fail to see the light?? in defending something Trump did ,, good or bad.
My Wooooo Hooooo was better than the "You dumb SOB! So, if you would like to see me mellow out a little,,, my fellow posters might try doing the same.
I disagree that what you see as "little things" are insignificant. President Trump's personal behavior is lowering the social norm of what is acceptable. Knee Deep in Water Chloe points out that the younger generation is internalizing and acting using those norms. His name calling and mockery is disgusting. His creation of a "reality" in which he claims credit for everything positive and blames others for anything negative is childish behavior that decent parents work to help their children outgrow. I have suggested numerous times the GOP look to nominate a candidate who would push the policies of President Trump but is a decent human being. They wouldn't get my vote, but I wouldn't be ashamed to have them as my President.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 2, 2019 10:27:45 GMT -5
Good morning Bob, I hope the morning finds you doing well!! When the deficit was under Obama, it was good,,, now that the deficit is under Trump, it is bad !! did I get that right? Why did Trump impose tariffs? hmmmmm, was it because of the Tariff imposed on our producers? It was OK if they did it to us? Tariffs have done very little to me or most of the people I deal with. Global warming,,, Sigh!,,, Like there were never any record temperatures before, Now that we are five years past "All the Arctic ice will be gone by 2012!!!" is it gone? For Me, Trump is doing a great job!!. if only he could stop tweeting and keep his mouth shut!!
I don't think you quite understood my questions, so I'll ask them again, more directly this time. How is Trump responsible for your mutual funds doing great? How is Trump responsible for the price of fuel not being outrageous? How is Trump responsible for your home being worth more every day? How is Trump responsible for your business being really good? How is Trump responsible for unemployment being so low? How is Trump responsible for your grandkids having jobs? Geeeees, Bob, don't you remember the Left was screaming now that Trump is President the Stock Market is going to crash,,, It did drop for about 10, minutes! Allowed fracting! People are making more money, they can afford more for homes. My business doing well? I have to admit that Obama helped that,,,
Because Obama was so slow at bringing the economy around, I was able to pick up tons of equipment for next to nothing, from business going broke!! Now that the economy is booming I am reselling that equipment for huge amounts of profit!! Pick it up from nothing ,, sell it for thousands $$$$$$ Yeahhhh, under Obama even the people who did not pay were not buying, Under Trump everyone that "WANTS" to work has a job,, money in their pocket!! My Grand kids, the two oldest, even they are working which never happened under Obama,,,, Which really shows how good the economy is doing!!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 2, 2019 10:36:25 GMT -5
Let's look at it this way, The Stock Market is a great indicator of how the Country is doing!! These are the people that make their living on the conditions of the economy! What has Trump done to cause the Stock Market to crash?? He has not,,
Pulling out of Global Warming,,, nope no crash,,
putting up tariffs,,, nope no crash! Pulling troops out of Syria,,, Nope! Pulling back on environment over done regs,,, Nope no crash!! The list goes on and on!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 2, 2019 10:38:47 GMT -5
Annnnnd the best indicator of the economy,, people calling needing my services ,, got to go to work,, Hope every one has a great day!
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Post by Bob Ross on Dec 2, 2019 10:41:09 GMT -5
I don't think you quite understood my questions, so I'll ask them again, more directly this time. How is Trump responsible for your mutual funds doing great? How is Trump responsible for the price of fuel not being outrageous? How is Trump responsible for your home being worth more every day? How is Trump responsible for your business being really good? How is Trump responsible for unemployment being so low? How is Trump responsible for your grandkids having jobs? Geeeees, Bob, don't you remember the Left was screaming now that Trump is President the Stock Market is going to crash,,, It did drop for about 10, minutes! Allowed fracting! People are making more money, they can afford more for homes. My business doing well? I have to admit that Obama helped that,,,
Because Obama was so slow at bringing the economy around, I was able to pick up tons of equipment for next to nothing, from business going broke!! Now that the economy is booming I am reselling that equipment for huge amounts of profit!! Pick it up from nothing ,, sell it for thousands $$$$$$ Yeahhhh, under Obama even the people who did not pay were not buying, Under Trump everyone that "WANTS" to work has a job,, money in their pocket!! My Grand kids, the two oldest, even they are working which never happened under Obama,,,, Which really shows how good the economy is doing!!!
Rather than continue this (futile) line of questioning, I'll just say I'm glad you feel Trump made all of this happen (just like how Clinton made the 90's boom happen, all by himself!) Personally, if I were you, I'd take at least some credit for your business success rather than passing it off to the POTUS. Anyways, all hail the almighty all-powerful Trump!
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Post by Bob Ross on Dec 2, 2019 10:46:23 GMT -5
Let's look at it this way, The Stock Market is a great indicator of how the Country is doing!! These are the people that make their living on the conditions of the economy! What has Trump done to cause the Stock Market to crash?? He has not,,
Pulling out of Global Warming,,, nope no crash,,
putting up tariffs,,, nope no crash! Pulling troops out of Syria,,, Nope! Pulling back on environment over done regs,,, Nope no crash!! The list goes on and on!!
So basically, Trump took what was already a strong market and didn't break it, despite taking some risky endeavors that had a good chance of doing so. Sounds more like gambling than wise stewardship. If only the rest of us could be judged this way on job performance, where not royally screwing things up equals doing a great job! Being pres-o-dent must be easy as pie!
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 2, 2019 11:11:08 GMT -5
uhhhh, Do you work for free?? huge discounts to government accounts?? No, but I'm not self dealing. I also didn't run on the platform and make a bid deal about of "I won't take a salary." Yeah, he gives away the salary in exchange for millions of dollars from the government he is not supposed to make a profit from. Color me shocked that you don't see the difference. ETA: I am on a few volunteer boards. They often need some legal work done. I am very clear that I cannot accept the work because it is unethical to profit from my service. And yes, I have done some work for them for free. He also insisted, when running in 2016, that he wouldn't play any golf because he would be 'too busy.'
Remember in the terrible old days when Obama used to golf all the time and it made the GOP nuts?
Trump spent more time on golf courses his first year than Obama did in 8 years, and every time Trump plays golf on one of his courses, he makes a profit off the secret service agents who have to stay with him.
Which is apparently perfectly fine, now that Trump does it, because Trump doesn't take a salary. As a taxpayer, I would rather pay his salary and NOT pay for all his trips to his own resorts - I'd come out exponentially better, plus I would have the satisfaction of knowing I am not keeping Bedminster, Doral or Mar a Lago financially afloat for Trump.
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Post by dondub on Dec 2, 2019 11:13:21 GMT -5
Although OC has followed the standard ‘Obama recovery was so slow’ , that’s just a right wing talking point. We were at the abyss, similar to 1929. How long is recovery supposed to take? Do the Repo-Cons have some playbook on the timeline?
Now we see multiple mentions of the stock market. Inauguration to date the Obama gains vastly outperform. Last time I checked the Obama DJIA was a factor of 50% greater. OC can also easily review job numbers and the declined UE rate under Obama. If he wants to be fair and reasonable that is.
But for whatever reason, the Repo-Cons just can’t give Obama appropriate credit yet drool all over themselves when it comes to Trump. Makes them look foolish and
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 2, 2019 11:13:28 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 2, 2019 16:38:57 GMT -5
uhhhh, Do you work for free?? huge discounts to government accounts?? No, but I'm not self dealing. I also didn't run on the platform and make a bid deal about of "I won't take a salary." Yeah, he gives away the salary in exchange for millions of dollars from the government he is not supposed to make a profit from. Color me shocked that you don't see the difference. ETA: I am on a few volunteer boards. They often need some legal work done. I am very clear that I cannot accept the work because it is unethical to profit from my service. And yes, I have done some work for them for free. a recent article noted that he has taken about 300 years worth of salary in golfing comps.
edit: Tenn beat me to it (see previoius post)
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Post by dondub on Dec 2, 2019 16:41:37 GMT -5
All I remember is the shrieking cacophony from the Repo-Cons about all the golf Obama played. Of course they are from the group that can remember when Black were not even allowed on the tour or permitted to join any of their snooty clubs.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 2, 2019 16:46:21 GMT -5
Although OC has followed the standard ‘Obama recovery was so slow’ , that’s just a right wing talking point. We were at the abyss, similar to 1929. How long is recovery supposed to take? Do the Repo-Cons have some playbook on the timeline? Now we see multiple mentions of the stock market. Inauguration to date the Obama gains vastly outperform. Last time I checked the Obama DJIA was a factor of 50% greater. OC can also easily review job numbers and the declined UE rate under Obama. If he wants to be fair and reasonable that is. But for whatever reason, the Repo-Cons just can’t give Obama appropriate credit yet drool all over themselves when it comes to Trump. Makes them look foolish and if you look at the long term graphs it is impossible to distinguish between the mighty kick-ass Trump economy and the sluggish, Marxist Obama one. there is really only one conclusion one can draw for why the prior gets all the credit.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 2, 2019 17:11:50 GMT -5
All I remember is the shrieking cacophony from the Repo-Cons about all the golf Obama played. Of course they are from the group that can remember when Black were not even allowed on the tour or permitted to join any of their snooty clubs. In Hawaii no less. Never mind that Obama was born and partially raised in Honolulu, Hawaii. Let trump golf and take his vacations in Queens, NY. That's where he was born and raised.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 2, 2019 17:18:06 GMT -5
All I remember is the shrieking cacophony from the Repo-Cons about all the golf Obama played. Of course they are from the group that can remember when Black were not even allowed on the tour or permitted to join any of their snooty clubs. In Hawaii no less. Never mind that Obama was born and partially raised in Honolulu, Hawaii. Let trump golf and take his vacations in Queens, NY. That's where he was born and raised. better yet, let him take his golf vacations FOR FREE.
make him a deal: take your golf vacations for free, and we, the taxpayers, will build one mile of your fucking wall. bud.
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Post by dondub on Dec 2, 2019 17:25:36 GMT -5
Although OC has followed the standard ‘Obama recovery was so slow’ , that’s just a right wing talking point. We were at the abyss, similar to 1929. How long is recovery supposed to take? Do the Repo-Cons have some playbook on the timeline? Now we see multiple mentions of the stock market. Inauguration to date the Obama gains vastly outperform. Last time I checked the Obama DJIA was a factor of 50% greater. OC can also easily review job numbers and the declined UE rate under Obama. If he wants to be fair and reasonable that is. But for whatever reason, the Repo-Cons just can’t give Obama appropriate credit yet drool all over themselves when it comes to Trump. Makes them look foolish and if you look at the long term graphs it is impossible to distinguish between the mighty kick-ass Trump economy and the sluggish, Marxist Obama one. there is really only one conclusion one can draw for why the prior gets all the credit. Just think what Obama could have achieved if he wasn’t “anti-business” and “water boarding the American economy” according to two of our most financially astute comrades from the right.😳
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 2, 2019 17:47:45 GMT -5
Although OC has followed the standard ‘Obama recovery was so slow’ , that’s just a right wing talking point. We were at the abyss, similar to 1929. How long is recovery supposed to take? Do the Repo-Cons have some playbook on the timeline? Now we see multiple mentions of the stock market. Inauguration to date the Obama gains vastly outperform. Last time I checked the Obama DJIA was a factor of 50% greater. OC can also easily review job numbers and the declined UE rate under Obama. If he wants to be fair and reasonable that is. But for whatever reason, the Repo-Cons just can’t give Obama appropriate credit yet drool all over themselves when it comes to Trump. Makes them look foolish and if you look at the long term graphs it is impossible to distinguish between the mighty kick-ass Trump economy and the sluggish, Marxist Obama one. there is really only one conclusion one can draw for why the prior gets all the credit. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 18:43:38 GMT -5
Hey, OldCoyote , about all those jobs, all those everybody-has-a-job comments, the booming economy jobs. Those jobs. The ones that don't pay enough to keep your head above water, pay the rent, utilities, support a car, buy groceries. The jobs that are so plentiful that a couple can get two each and hope to feed, house and clothe their kids and themselves. Medical care, though, could present a problem. Read all about them. www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/almost-half-of-americans-work-in-low-wage-jobs/ar-BBXF7sF?ocid=spartanntp
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 2, 2019 22:31:48 GMT -5
Although OC has followed the standard ‘Obama recovery was so slow’ , that’s just a right wing talking point. We were at the abyss, similar to 1929. How long is recovery supposed to take? Do the Repo-Cons have some playbook on the timeline? Now we see multiple mentions of the stock market. Inauguration to date the Obama gains vastly outperform. Last time I checked the Obama DJIA was a factor of 50% greater. OC can also easily review job numbers and the declined UE rate under Obama. If he wants to be fair and reasonable that is. But for whatever reason, the Repo-Cons just can’t give Obama appropriate credit yet drool all over themselves when it comes to Trump. Makes them look foolish and Woooo Hoooo shovel ready jobs,, boy that was going to us back on our feet!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 2, 2019 22:35:05 GMT -5
Now that's what you call stimulating the economy!!
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Post by dondub on Dec 2, 2019 22:53:24 GMT -5
Now that's what you call stimulating the economy!! The Trump golf course economy while he grifts the taxpayers.
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Post by dezii on Dec 3, 2019 3:19:54 GMT -5
And aside from the tax cut, which can be argued may be good for the individual but bad for the country and also more than offset by the tariffs of his trade war, and the exit from the "Global Warming money pit" which may have dire consequences for the future, why do you think Donald Trump is responsible for any of the above? Good morning Bob, I hope the morning finds you doing well!! When the deficit was under Obama, it was good,,, now that the deficit is under Trump, it is bad !! did I get that right? Why did Trump impose tariffs? hmmmmm, was it because of the Tariff imposed on our producers? It was OK if they did it to us? Tariffs have done very little to me or most of the people I deal with. Global warming,,, Sigh!,,, Like there were never any record temperatures before, Now that we are five years past "All the Arctic ice will be gone by 2012!!!" is it gone? For Me, Trump is doing a great job!!. if only he could stop tweeting and keep his mouth shut!!
""All the Arctic ice will be gone by 2012!!!" is it gone?" From what I understand , it sure as hell getting there...As far as the 2012 prediction, believe they underestimated how much there was there so they were a bit off on the prediction...Hey, s**t happens...
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Post by dezii on Dec 3, 2019 3:21:48 GMT -5
Now that's what you call stimulating the economy!! ?.....and u think that fact is a joke?
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 3, 2019 7:45:07 GMT -5
I guess if you are a white "nationalist" you don't care about these things, but.... We now keep little children in cages at the border. We have facilitated the murder and rape of hundreds or thousands of Kurds (so far!) since our perfidy to our ally. We have "almost" sold out Ukraine to the Russians over 30 pieces of bribery. So tell me Demi, the picture of the kids in the cages were from the Obama presidency!! I kinda think the murder and rapes are from Syria, Turkey and ISIS, Our troops are not the involved. Also How well is the massacre going, since Russia stepped in?? Ukraine, a money pit!,, So how extensive was the investigation into Biden interfering in to Ukraine politics, `threatening to with hold money??
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 3, 2019 7:55:14 GMT -5
Good morning Bob, I hope the morning finds you doing well!! When the deficit was under Obama, it was good,,, now that the deficit is under Trump, it is bad !! did I get that right? Why did Trump impose tariffs? hmmmmm, was it because of the Tariff imposed on our producers? It was OK if they did it to us? Tariffs have done very little to me or most of the people I deal with. Global warming,,, Sigh!,,, Like there were never any record temperatures before, Now that we are five years past "All the Arctic ice will be gone by 2012!!!" is it gone? For Me, Trump is doing a great job!!. if only he could stop tweeting and keep his mouth shut!!
""All the Arctic ice will be gone by 2012!!!" is it gone?" From what I understand , it sure as hell getting there...As far as the 2012 prediction, believe they underestimated how much there was there so they were a bit off on the prediction...Hey, s**t happens... Looks like with this last winter storm the "Arctic Ice" has extended all the way into the Midwest and East Coast.. Or are suddenly able to grow Palm trees there??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 7:45:41 GMT -5
Hey what is there not to like about Trump Presidency? All you need to do is ignore his tweeter fingers. Good things, I got a nice tax cut! My mutual funds are doing great! Price of fuel is not outrageous. My home is worth more every day! Business is really good! He got out of the terrible Global Warming money sucking pit!! Unemployment is so low, right now , if you do have a job , you don't want one.
Even my oldest grandson now have jobs, Holy Crap. If you don't thinks unemployment is low,,,, Even Colin Kaepernick got a job interview!!! But he blew it!!
About all those jobs read:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-2019-almost-half-of-all-americans-work-in-low-wage-jobs/?fbclid=IwAR3UDxfdp7POwqwccQuUNP9Hf-7p5HDP4GZ4_NCIV21YKyNwpT_QS4ugD_Q
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