I really don't understand this. Please help

[NastyWoman]

(Reuters) - Survivors and family of 58 people who were slain in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history have reached a settlement of at least $735 million with MGM Resorts, a law firm representing the victims and MGM Resorts International said on Thursday.

MGM Resorts owns the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas where Stephen Paddock, 64, fired over 1,100 rounds from his 32nd-floor suite into a crowd of 22,000 people at an outdoor country music festival on Oct. 1, 2017, slaying 58 and wounding 800 others before killing himself...."

www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-massacre-victims-families-151414010.html

Sp to my question: why is MGM even remotely considered to have any liablility? This makes absolutely no sense to me

[Tennesseer]

Oct 3, 2019 14:47:21 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

(Reuters) - Survivors and family of 58 people who were slain in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history have reached a settlement of at least $735 million with MGM Resorts, a law firm representing the victims and MGM Resorts International said on Thursday.

MGM Resorts owns the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas where Stephen Paddock, 64, fired over 1,100 rounds from his 32nd-floor suite into a crowd of 22,000 people at an outdoor country music festival on Oct. 1, 2017, slaying 58 and wounding 800 others before killing himself...."

www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-massacre-victims-families-151414010.html

Sp to my question: why is MGM even remotely considered to have any liablility? This makes absolutely no sense to me

Possibly because Paddock was videoed on resort cameras making multiple trips through the lobby to the elevators carrying all his weaponry and supplies which should have drawn the attention of resort management?

That would be my guess.

[Tennesseer]

Hotel Releases Video Of Las Vegas Shooter In Days Leading To Massacre

[NastyWoman]

Oct 3, 2019 15:01:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 3, 2019 14:47:21 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

(Reuters) - Survivors and family of 58 people who were slain in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history have reached a settlement of at least $735 million with MGM Resorts, a law firm representing the victims and MGM Resorts International said on Thursday.

MGM Resorts owns the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas where Stephen Paddock, 64, fired over 1,100 rounds from his 32nd-floor suite into a crowd of 22,000 people at an outdoor country music festival on Oct. 1, 2017, slaying 58 and wounding 800 others before killing himself...."

www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-massacre-victims-families-151414010.html

Sp to my question: why is MGM even remotely considered to have any liablility? This makes absolutely no sense to me

Possibly because Paddock was videoed on resort cameras making multiple trips through the lobby to the elevators carrying all his weaponry and supplies which should have drawn the attention of resort management?

That would be my guess.

How often have you been asked what was in your suitcases/packages when you were in a hotel? And while I like to travel light, there have been 8 international moves with young children in my past that would not in any way, shape, or form qualify as "traveling light".

It also assumes that a hotel  tracks its customers' behavior over time. X brought in n-suitcases at 10am on Monday, 2 at 4pm that same day, 3 more at 10am the next day, etc. Is that really a reasonable standard to judge their security? Do we even want this tracking since this would mean they would have to do it for everyone, all the time? All those privacy nuts would truly go ballistic if a hotel would keep that kind of record → and I would not not even call them "nuts" for protesting this.

Then again - consider the fodder this could provide for divorce cases. Never mind... another reason a segment of society would be very unhappy with this  level of invasion of privacy

[Tennesseer]

Oct 3, 2019 16:17:21 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Oct 3, 2019 15:01:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Possibly because Paddock was videoed on resort cameras making multiple trips through the lobby to the elevators carrying all his weaponry and supplies which should have drawn the attention of resort management?

That would be my guess.

How often have you been asked what was in your suitcases/packages when you were in a hotel? And while I like to travel light, there have been 8 international moves with young children in my past that would not in any way, shape, or form qualify as "traveling light".

It also assumes that a hotel  tracks its customers' behavior over time. X brought in n-suitcases at 10am on Monday, 2 at 4pm that same day, 3 more at 10am the next day, etc. Is that really a reasonable standard to judge their security? Do we even want this tracking since this would mean they would have to do it for everyone, all the time? All those privacy nuts would truly go ballistic if a hotel would keep that kind of record → and I would not not even call them "nuts" for protesting this.

Then again - consider the fodder this could provide for divorce cases. Never mind... another reason a segment of society would be very unhappy with this  level of invasion of privacy

It was his multiple trips to his car and the multiple trips with all his gear to his room which should have raised questions. He even went back to his home outside Las Vegas to bring more firearms and ammo to the hotel. Or at least that is why MGM might have settled with the victims and their families. MGM released a statement stating the settlement does not mean they believed they were at fault for the deaths and injuries.

That is my guess.

[billisonboard]

Deep pockets. 

[wvugurl26]

I forget where my friends stayed in Vegas in the early 2000s but the hotel checked bags. They wanted you to buy their overpriced alcohol not bring in cheaper stuff.

My guess on liability is the guy brought so much stuff in it should have drawn attention

[NoNamePerson]

Seems like if he brought it in on different days, different times maybe it was on different shifts. Not like this all took place on 8 hr shift with same people seeing what might have seemed excessive luggage, etc. Not like they are sitting around just watching! Probably handling more than one hotel customer at a time?

ETA last time I was in Vegas no one asked about our luggage but this was a while back!  2008

[thyme4change]

Because paying lawyers would have cost more.

[Knee Deep in Water Chloe]

Why is anyone allowed to sue anyone for anything? Seriously, it's a problem with only grey for the answer. 

Insurance-wise though, it's why there is almost always a settlement. Insurance companies play the odds. 

[tractor]

I also believe it had something to do with the room cleaning (or lack of cleaning resulting from the “do not disturb” sign). Hotels are now required to enter a room after (3?) days to inspect even if there is a sign on the door. The theory is that the cleaning people should have reported what they saw in the room if it posed a potential security threat, thus assigning liability to MGM. This is from an article I read several months ago, so the details may not be correct.

[justme]

I was in Vegas days after this happened and no one asked to check luggage. And I was checking into the hotel right next to Mandalay. 

[Tennesseer]

Oct 4, 2019 9:47:13 GMT -5 justme said:

I was in Vegas days after this happened and no one asked to check luggage. And I was checking into the hotel right next to Mandalay. 

But did you make multiple trips to your vehicle or home and bring back multiple suitcases and bags to your room like the shooter?

[NastyWoman]

Oct 4, 2019 9:52:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 4, 2019 9:47:13 GMT -5 justme said:

I was in Vegas days after this happened and no one asked to check luggage. And I was checking into the hotel right next to Mandalay. 

But did you make multiple trips to your vehicle or home and bring back multiple suitcases and bags to your room like the shooter?

Two of those things loaded much higher. We tended to be "homeless" for up to three months in three continents/climates during those moves. Strange thing was that while we were always put up in five star hotels I really did feel homeless and displaced during that time. 

Moral of that last tidbit: you need to have a place to go back to in order to really enjoy the luxury

[justme]

Oct 4, 2019 9:52:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 4, 2019 9:47:13 GMT -5 justme said:

I was in Vegas days after this happened and no one asked to check luggage. And I was checking into the hotel right next to Mandalay. 

But did you make multiple trips to your vehicle or home and bring back multiple suitcases and bags to your room like the shooter?

No. But I'm betting plenty of vendors and the employees of the company that was putting on the conference probably did. And most of them were probably staying in Mandalay. 

I did also not get a rental care until my second to last day staying at the hotel. 

[Tennesseer]

Oct 4, 2019 11:06:26 GMT -5 justme said:

Oct 4, 2019 9:52:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

But did you make multiple trips to your vehicle or home and bring back multiple suitcases and bags to your room like the shooter?

No. But I'm betting plenty of vendors and the employees of the company that was putting on the conference probably did. And most of them were probably staying in Mandalay. 

I did also not get a rental care until my second to last day staying at the hotel. 

And I am sure vendors and their employees probably did have plenty of baggage. But then that stuff would have ended up in conference/exhibit rooms and not in a bedroom.

[justme]

Oct 4, 2019 11:23:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 4, 2019 11:06:26 GMT -5 justme said:

No. But I'm betting plenty of vendors and the employees of the company that was putting on the conference probably did. And most of them were probably staying in Mandalay. 

I did also not get a rental care until my second to last day staying at the hotel. 

And I am sure vendors and their employees probably did have plenty of baggage. But then that stuff would have ended up in conference/exhibit rooms and not in a bedroom.

Not necessarily, and not necessarily originally. Depending on when they arrived vs when they were allowed in the venue vs what they brought a lot could end up in their rooms. The vendors always bring giveaways and not all of them brought all the stuff to the venue - they wouldn't be able to fit everything in their booth considering there's almost 20,000 attendees.  

[travelingdeb]

I worked in casinos for many years, and you would be surprised of how the high rollers are treated.... No one would questions all trips to get more luggage, that wouldn't even register on the weirdness scale. But, with the maid service coming by, they probably should have been permitted to check the room. But, once again, the high rollers are on a whole different level compared to the regular guests.

[thyme4change]

Oct 4, 2019 10:47:25 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Oct 4, 2019 9:52:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

But did you make multiple trips to your vehicle or home and bring back multiple suitcases and bags to your room like the shooter?

Two of those things loaded much higher. We tended to be "homeless" for up to three months in three continents/climates during those moves. Strange thing was that while we were always put up in five star hotels I really did feel homeless and displaced during that time. 

Moral of that last tidbit: you need to have a place to go back to in order to really enjoy the luxury

My sister said the most unrooted she ever felt was when she moved back to the USA and didn't have a single key. They got rid of their house and cars, and the keys that went with it. It was about 6 weeks before they got their new house, but she says she kept checking her pockets and just felt absolutely wrong that she didn't have a key.

[NastyWoman]

Oct 4, 2019 15:18:07 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 4, 2019 10:47:25 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Two of those things loaded much higher. We tended to be "homeless" for up to three months in three continents/climates during those moves. Strange thing was that while we were always put up in five star hotels I really did feel homeless and displaced during that time. 

Moral of that last tidbit: you need to have a place to go back to in order to really enjoy the luxury

My sister said the most unrooted she ever felt was when she moved back to the USA and didn't have a single key. They got rid of their house and cars, and the keys that went with it. It was about 6 weeks before they got their new house, but she says she kept checking her pockets and just felt absolutely wrong that she didn't have a key.

 and I made 8 of those moves. And now when I could enjoy it, I can't really justify staying in any of those beautiful hotels I stayed in then. Ah, what can I say: C'est la vie...