Supreme Court decision on Central Americans seeking Asylum

[Value Buy]

The court decided to side with the President........pushing back on a lower court ruling.
MAGA

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2019 9:23:23 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The court decided to side with the President........pushing back on a lower court ruling.
MAGA

Temporary right now. Issue is still working its way through the courts.

Supreme Court allows Trump administration to enforce toughest restriction yet on asylum requests

A lawsuit to stop the new policy is still working its way through the lower courts.

The U.S. Supreme Court late Wednesday gave the Trump administration permission to enforce its toughest restriction yet on asylum seekers at the southern border, even though a lawsuit to stop the new policy is still working its way through the lower courts.

Supreme Court allows Trump administration to enforce toughest restriction yet on asylum requests

[Value Buy]

Only two Justices were against the decision and their argument was the court is acting too fast and should let it play out in the courts. 
Since it was playing out in the courts, and tried to stop Trump, it had to go to them for immediate response.
Note they are not dissenting that the action is illegal.


from the article:

Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor dissented, saying the court acted too quickly and should allow the case to work its way through the normal judicial process.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2019 10:18:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Only two Justices were against the decision and their argument was the court is acting too fast and should let it play out in the courts. 
Since it was playing out in the courts, and tried to stop Trump, it had to go to them for immediate response.
Note they are not dissenting that the action is illegal.


from the article:

Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor dissented, saying the court acted too quickly and should allow the case to work its way through the normal judicial process.

I repeat. The case is still making its way through the courts.

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2019 10:22:28 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 12, 2019 10:18:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Only two Justices were against the decision and their argument was the court is acting too fast and should let it play out in the courts. 
Since it was playing out in the courts, and tried to stop Trump, it had to go to them for immediate response.
Note they are not dissenting that the action is illegal.


from the article:

Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor dissented, saying the court acted too quickly and should allow the case to work its way through the normal judicial process.

I repeat. The case is still making its way through the courts.

Yep, and then the court rules for Trump.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2019 10:29:28 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 10:22:28 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I repeat. The case is still making its way through the courts.

Yep, and then the court rules for Trump.

And maybe not based upon what is heard in the lower courts.

[kadee79]

And now Mexico is pushing back...the SCOTUS can't decide something for Mexico....

- Mexico pushed back on Thursday against a U.S. Supreme Court ruling granting a Trump administration request to fully enforce a new rule curtailing asylum applications by immigrants at the U.S.-Mexico border, one that could create a new headache for Mexico. 

The court on Wednesday said that so long as the issue is being litigated, immigrants who want asylum can be required to first seek safe haven in a third country through which they travel on the way to the United States. 

"This is the ruling by the court, it's a U.S. issue, and obviously we don't agree with it, we have a different policy," Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard told a news conference. 

The court's move comes at a delicate time for Mexican-U.S. relations. Under U.S. President Donald Trump's threat of imposing tariffs, Mexico has agreed to house many of the surging number of Central American asylum-seekers south of the border pending their U.S. hearings.

That gesture has led to a decline in U.S. apprehensions and rejections of migrants at the border, which totaled 64,000 people in August, down 22% from July and 56% from a high mark in May.

Even though arrests are still at their highest for any month of August since 2007, the decline from earlier this year won Mexico praise from Trump following a White House meeting on Tuesday.

But Mexico has resisted U.S. pressure to sign a formal "safe third country" agreement that would commit it to hearing the asylum cases of migrants from Central American and elsewhere, a move that would take even more pressure off the U.S. border.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mexico-rejects-supreme-court-ruling-on-migration-wants-no-tensions-with-us/ar-AAHchWD?li=BBnb7Kz

Is DT going to F*** up relations with another country?...one that provides much of our produce & many other items purchased here in the US?

[Value Buy]

so you are in favor of cheap produce from Mexico rather than semi cheap produce from the southern states and California?
The Mexican border is strewn with American coroporate factories turning out product at a fraction of the cost here at the expense of thousands of jobs of democratic union workers here.
Not much of a serious  argument there

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2019 14:12:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

so you are in favor of cheap produce from Mexico rather than semi cheap produce from the southern states and California?
The Mexican border is strewn with American coroporate factories turning out product at a fraction of the cost here at the expense of thousands of jobs of democratic union workers here.
Not much of a serious  argument there

Are you going to work for cheap and pick the cheap produce from the southern states and California?

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2019 15:08:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 12, 2019 14:12:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

so you are in favor of cheap produce from Mexico rather than semi cheap produce from the southern states and California?
The Mexican border is strewn with American coroporate factories turning out product at a fraction of the cost here at the expense of thousands of jobs of democratic union workers here.
Not much of a serious  argument there

Are you going to work for cheap and pick the cheap produce from the southern states and California?

Nope. I am holding out for the four hundred bucks month Warren is promising me and the wife from Social security increase.
It will cover my monthly Gumball head beer and the wife's Pina Collada bill nicely leaving enough for a few appetizers.
Quite frankly I am too old to work long hours in the fieelds any longer. 
I just do not like people posting s tuff and using suchobnoxious reasons why Trump is an idiot, in their tds mind

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2019 15:32:53 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:08:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Are you going to work for cheap and pick the cheap produce from the southern states and California?

Nope. I am holding out for the four hundred bucks month Warren is promising me and the wife from Social security increase.
It will cover my monthly Gumball head beer and the wife's Pina Collada bill nicely leaving enough for a few appetizers.
Quite frankly I am too old to work long hours in the fieelds any longer. 
I just do not like people posting s tuff and using suchobnoxious reasons why Trump is an idiot, in their tds mind

deflection.

Who exactly is going to pick the cheap produce from southern states and California? If the produce is going to be cheap then the wages are going to be even cheaper as the produce producers need to make money to continue producing the cheap produce.

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2019 15:39:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:32:53 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nope. I am holding out for the four hundred bucks month Warren is promising me and the wife from Social security increase.
It will cover my monthly Gumball head beer and the wife's Pina Collada bill nicely leaving enough for a few appetizers.
Quite frankly I am too old to work long hours in the fieelds any longer. 
I just do not like people posting s tuff and using suchobnoxious reasons why Trump is an idiot, in their tds mind

deflection.

Who exactly is going to pick the cheap produce from southern states and California? If the produce is going to be cheap then the wages are going to be even cheaper as the produce producers need to make money to continue producing the cheap produce.

Trump has had a good two days with outcomes.
Yesterday the court decision on fake asylum seekers and today McCabe is facing charges. Democrats are still going the Impeachment route but even the Judiciary committee was all over the board this morning. I would assume the Impeachment question will be asked tonight at the debate, but not sure if ABC wants to put these people on the spot. A week or so ago I said I was ot sure Trump wil win in 2020, but everything is starting to point to a rout in 2020 for Trump. Now we wait and see if he has coat tails and bring thr House red too.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2019 15:46:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:39:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

deflection.

Who exactly is going to pick the cheap produce from southern states and California? If the produce is going to be cheap then the wages are going to be even cheaper as the produce producers need to make money to continue producing the cheap produce.

Trump has had a good two days with outcomes.
Yesterday the court decision on fake asylum seekers and today McCabe is facing charges. Democrats are still going the Impeachment route but even the Judiciary committee was all over the board this morning. I would assume the Impeachment question will be asked tonight at the debate, but not sure if ABC wants to put these people on the spot. A week or so ago I said I was ot sure Trump wil win in 2020, but everything is starting to point to a rout in 2020 for Trump. Now we wait and see if he has coat tails and bring thr House red too.

Anndddd you deflected again.

[Value Buy]

MAGA is making you upset.
I do not understand why.

The entire country comes out better.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2019 15:57:34 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

MAGA is making you upset.
I do not understand why.

The entire country comes out better.

I'm thinking you have something wrong in your head as you couldn't even answer the question who would pick that cheap produce from the southern states and California you mentioned earlier.

[weltschmerz]

Sept 12, 2019 15:57:34 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

MAGA is making you upset.
I do not understand why.

The entire country comes out better.

Why won't you answer the question, instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks? Who is going to pick the cheap produce?

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2019 15:59:50 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:57:34 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

MAGA is making you upset.
I do not understand why.

The entire country comes out better.

I'm thinking you have something wrong in your head as you couldn't even answer the question who would pick that cheap produce from the southern states and California you mentioned earlier.

Right now we have at least a ten year supply of illegal aliens to pick the poroduce. Do you think we need more than that?

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2019 16:01:26 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:59:50 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I'm thinking you have something wrong in your head as you couldn't even answer the question who would pick that cheap produce from the southern states and California you mentioned earlier.

Right now we have at least a ten year supply of illegal aliens to pick the poroduce. Do you think we need more than that?

I imagine it's the same in the south too. Those illegal aliens don't want get caught up in those sweeps. You remember those ICE chicken processing plant raids last month, yes?

California farmers increasingly turning to mechanization due to labor shortages, says survey

Farmers in the nation’s top agriculture state are increasingly moving to different forms of mechanization to get around the farm labor crunch, according to a California Farm Bureau survey.

The number of farm workers in California has been gradually declining in the past several years and stepped-up immigration sweeps by the federal government in California haven’t helped. Labor shortages have been especially tough on farmers with crops such as tree fruits, grapes and berries.

More than 40% of farmers in the past five years have been unable to obtain all the workers they needed for the production of their main crop, according to the survey, released Tuesday. Of the total reporting shortages, it found about 70% or more indicating they have experienced more trouble hiring in 2017 and 2018.

California farmers increasingly turning to mechanization due to labor shortages, says survey

[weltschmerz]

Sept 12, 2019 16:01:26 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:59:50 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I'm thinking you have something wrong in your head as you couldn't even answer the question who would pick that cheap produce from the southern states and California you mentioned earlier.

Right now we have at least a ten year supply of illegal aliens to pick the poroduce. Do you think we need more than that?

I thought ICE was rounding them up. You mean to tell me that it was a LIE from Trump?

[kadee79]

Sept 12, 2019 14:12:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

so you are in favor of cheap produce from Mexico rather than semi cheap produce from the southern states and California?
The Mexican border is strewn with American coroporate factories turning out product at a fraction of the cost here at the expense of thousands of jobs of democratic union workers here.
Not much of a serious  argument there

I will presume that you have never grown a garden?  Many crops won't grow year round in all climates & some won't grow at all in certain areas....so, we often get produce that can't be produced in the US at a particular time the year...from other countries including Mexico.  
However, with climate change...some of that is changing, slowly.  

[djAdvocate]

Sept 12, 2019 15:39:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:32:53 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nope. I am holding out for the four hundred bucks month Warren is promising me and the wife from Social security increase.
It will cover my monthly Gumball head beer and the wife's Pina Collada bill nicely leaving enough for a few appetizers.
Quite frankly I am too old to work long hours in the fieelds any longer. 
I just do not like people posting s tuff and using suchobnoxious reasons why Trump is an idiot, in their tds mind

deflection.

Who exactly is going to pick the cheap produce from southern states and California? If the produce is going to be cheap then the wages are going to be even cheaper as the produce producers need to make money to continue producing the cheap produce.

the same people that picked it in Georgia.

I recall that one farmer put an ad out, for 100 workers, and 5 showed up. by the end of the first day, one was left.

they eventually had to fold back their rules on hiring in that state.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 12, 2019 16:01:26 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:59:50 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I'm thinking you have something wrong in your head as you couldn't even answer the question who would pick that cheap produce from the southern states and California you mentioned earlier.

Right now we have at least a ten year supply of illegal aliens to pick the poroduce. Do you think we need more than that?

not if they get deported.

and it will only last a generation. their kids don't want that work any more than any other citizens.

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2019 16:17:13 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Sept 12, 2019 16:01:26 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Right now we have at least a ten year supply of illegal aliens to pick the poroduce. Do you think we need more than that?

I thought ICE was rounding them up. You mean to tell me that it was a LIE from Trump?

As you well know, removing ten million illegals takes some time. It is a ten year supply on hand, so even at a million a year, it takes ten years to clean up the back log and this does not reflect the new ten million that have come here during that new ten year period.
I would prefer we bus them northward, Hand them each a thousand dollars and tell them Canada is their dream destination.

[OldCoyote]

Sept 12, 2019 23:59:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:39:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

deflection.

Who exactly is going to pick the cheap produce from southern states and California? If the produce is going to be cheap then the wages are going to be even cheaper as the produce producers need to make money to continue producing the cheap produce.

the same people that picked it in Georgia.

I recall that one farmer put an ad out, for 100 workers, and 5 showed up. by the end of the first day, one was left.

they eventually had to fold back their rules on hiring in that state.

All they need to do is pay fifty bucks an hour!

[Deleted]

Sept 12, 2019 12:15:10 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

And now Mexico is pushing back...the SCOTUS can't decide something for Mexico....

- Mexico pushed back on Thursday against a U.S. Supreme Court ruling granting a Trump administration request to fully enforce a new rule curtailing asylum applications by immigrants at the U.S.-Mexico border, one that could create a new headache for Mexico. 

The court on Wednesday said that so long as the issue is being litigated, immigrants who want asylum can be required to first seek safe haven in a third country through which they travel on the way to the United States. 

"This is the ruling by the court, it's a U.S. issue, and obviously we don't agree with it, we have a different policy," Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard told a news conference. 

The court's move comes at a delicate time for Mexican-U.S. relations. Under U.S. President Donald Trump's threat of imposing tariffs, Mexico has agreed to house many of the surging number of Central American asylum-seekers south of the border pending their U.S. hearings.

That gesture has led to a decline in U.S. apprehensions and rejections of migrants at the border, which totaled 64,000 people in August, down 22% from July and 56% from a high mark in May.

Even though arrests are still at their highest for any month of August since 2007, the decline from earlier this year won Mexico praise from Trump following a White House meeting on Tuesday.

But Mexico has resisted U.S. pressure to sign a formal "safe third country" agreement that would commit it to hearing the asylum cases of migrants from Central American and elsewhere, a move that would take even more pressure off the U.S. border.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mexico-rejects-supreme-court-ruling-on-migration-wants-no-tensions-with-us/ar-AAHchWD?li=BBnb7Kz

Is DT going to F*** up relations with another country?...one that provides much of our produce & many other items purchased here in the US?

Looks like their policy of letting them in, to pass through to the US, falls directly in their laps now.  (bolded)

Thinking that they might have to actually pay for that wall, on their southern border.   

Oh my, this is kind of funny !

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2019 10:50:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Sept 12, 2019 23:59:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the same people that picked it in Georgia.

I recall that one farmer put an ad out, for 100 workers, and 5 showed up. by the end of the first day, one was left.

they eventually had to fold back their rules on hiring in that state.

All they need to do is pay fifty bucks an hour!

right. and that would cause food prices to double, at least.

[weltschmerz]

Sept 13, 2019 12:55:06 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 13, 2019 10:50:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

All they need to do is pay fifty bucks an hour!

right. and that would cause food prices to double, at least.

Well, our Space Coast Paul doesn't mind if food prices double or triple or if an avocado costs $5. He said so, but he has money.
I guess that means nobody should mind, even if they're already having trouble feeding their families and making ends meet.


"I don't think like "normal" people, I don't have the same gripes as most people- like for example, I could give a shit if an avocado is $4 bucks or $5. I've read the price of gas is pretty low-- but I have no idea what it cost when I filled up today. I used to have to worry about all that shit- but every year I care less about it."

[Deleted]

Sept 13, 2019 8:31:51 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 16:17:13 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I thought ICE was rounding them up. You mean to tell me that it was a LIE from Trump?

As you well know, removing ten million illegals takes some time. It is a ten year supply on hand, so even at a million a year, it takes ten years to clean up the back log and this does not reflect the new ten million that have come here during that new ten year period.
I would prefer we bus them northward, Hand them each a thousand dollars and tell them Canada is their dream destination.

I would prefer it, if we just said we're full, load them right onto a bus, instead of housing them at $750 a day, and drop them right at the Canadian border. 

The buses will come north in big caravans. 

Way, way, cheaper. 

Might even be able to lower a tariff a wee bit. 



All those arguments used, for how they're good for the US, should easily apply to Canada. 

That cheap labor will easily offset the tariffs for Canadian companies.

Win, Win !

[kadee79]

Sept 13, 2019 10:50:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Sept 12, 2019 23:59:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the same people that picked it in Georgia.

I recall that one farmer put an ad out, for 100 workers, and 5 showed up. by the end of the first day, one was left.

they eventually had to fold back their rules on hiring in that state.

All they need to do is pay fifty bucks an hour!

That won't work...MOST, not all, but most can NOT handle the conditions in the fields down here.  MANY would die.  Do YOU think that YOU could pick veggies in the Az. heat all day from daylight to nearly dark?  Could you stand that?...and then down here you add our humidity and it's worse than the Az. heat.  We can have 100º & 50% or higher humidity.  If you don't rehydrate, you fall out.  We have had several Hispanics die around here in the fields and their bodies are more used to than those who don't work in the fields.

[weltschmerz]

Sept 13, 2019 8:31:51 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 16:17:13 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I thought ICE was rounding them up. You mean to tell me that it was a LIE from Trump?

As you well know, removing ten million illegals takes some time. It is a ten year supply on hand, so even at a million a year, it takes ten years to clean up the back log and this does not reflect the new ten million that have come here during that new ten year period.
I would prefer we bus them northward, Hand them each a thousand dollars and tell them Canada is their dream destination.

You expect them all to gather in one place so that ICE could pick them up more easily? They may not speak English, but they're not stupid.