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Post by chiver78 on Aug 22, 2019 14:39:45 GMT -5
nah, mine didn't show up til the 1960s. maybe Tenn's, though.  |
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 22, 2019 15:14:06 GMT -5
I am pretty sure they were hell-bent on subverting Michigan too, where my French Canadian ancestors immigrated to ultimately finding their way into Wisconsin.  |
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 22, 2019 16:28:49 GMT -5
Some of my ancestors arrived in Quebec from France in the 1600s.
Though both of my paternal grandparents were born in Massachusetts in the late 1880s, their older siblings and parents, grand-parents, etc. were all born in Quebec. For a good chunk of time, Springfield, Mass. had a very large French Canadian presence.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 22, 2019 16:44:29 GMT -5
Forwarded the article to the French Canadian relatives. Thanks. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 22, 2019 17:02:14 GMT -5
That was in the 1880s. There were plans afoot for the USA to invade Canada in the late 1920s and early 1930s. See War Plan Red.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 22, 2019 17:11:11 GMT -5
So...US citizens didn't like thousands of white people flooding their borders? Interesting....
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 22, 2019 17:23:32 GMT -5
My great grandmother's paternal lineage immigrated from France in 1647. That male ancestor died after being captured by by Iroquois. Her mother's paternal lineage immigrated from France in 1730.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 22, 2019 17:28:47 GMT -5
So...US citizens didn't like thousands of white people flooding their borders? Interesting.... US citizens didn't like European immigrants coming here either around the turn of the last century. Irish, Poles, Italians, Germans, etc... The stupid thing is every last one of us came from somewhere else or has ancestors that came from somewhere else, unless you are 100% Native American. |
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 22, 2019 17:30:52 GMT -5
My great grandmother's paternal lineage immigrated from France in 1647. That male ancestor died after being captured by by Iroquois. Her mother's paternal lineage immigrated from France in 1730. similar vintage to my family, and the same way - Pepere's side arrived in the 1600s.  |
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 22, 2019 17:33:55 GMT -5
So...US citizens didn't like thousands of white people flooding their borders? Interesting.... US citizens didn't like European immigrants coming here either around the turn of the last century. Irish, Poles, Italians, Germans, etc... The stupid thing is every last one of us came from somewhere else or has ancestors that came from somewhere else, unless you are 100% Native American.  US citizens didn't like anyone different, it didn't matter why you were different. today, it's color. back then, it was an Irish last name, or a Catholic religion, or those damn Italians. I don't think we need to talk about how the descendants of slaves were treated leading up to the Civil Rights movement, or the Japanese-Americans that were imprisoned in internment camps, either. any other obtuse questions? |
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 22, 2019 17:41:28 GMT -5
So...US citizens didn't like thousands of white people flooding their borders? Interesting.... US citizens didn't like European immigrants coming here either around the turn of the last century. Irish, Poles, Italians, Germans, etc... The stupid thing is every last one of us came from somewhere else or has ancestors that came from somewhere else, unless you are 100% Native American. French, Irish, Poles, Italians...all were Catholic papists. The US was having none of it. |
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 22, 2019 18:01:56 GMT -5
So...US citizens didn't like thousands of white people flooding their borders? Interesting.... US citizens didn't like European immigrants coming here either around the turn of the last century. Irish, Poles, Italians, Germans, etc... The stupid thing is every last one of us came from somewhere else or has ancestors that came from somewhere else, unless you are 100% Native American. My point is that people keep screaming racism over people not wanting the new wave of illegals coming over...but there was no difference when the invasion was white. |
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 22, 2019 18:43:16 GMT -5
US citizens didn't like European immigrants coming here either around the turn of the last century. Irish, Poles, Italians, Germans, etc... The stupid thing is every last one of us came from somewhere else or has ancestors that came from somewhere else, unless you are 100% Native American. My point is that people keep screaming racism over people not wanting the new wave of illegals coming over...but there was no difference when the invasion was white. when the invasion was "white" it did include religion just like today. And make no mistake people from Italy, Spain, Greece, etc. were not "white enough" in their day.
It was discrimination even at that time, and when discrimination is based on skin color it is commonly refered to as racism (so yes the screaming about racism today is actually correct whether we like it or not)
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Post by mroped on Aug 22, 2019 19:12:33 GMT -5
Just your typical “pot calling kettle black” thing!
”Americans” are by nature arrogant when it comes to any foreigner/not American born. Is just an inherent thing. Always been, always will be but still doesn’t make it right and generation after generation of born and raised Americans forget that and where they came from.
Not all-all Americans but the vast majority!😂
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Post by swamp on Aug 22, 2019 19:13:45 GMT -5
So...US citizens didn't like thousands of white people flooding their borders? Interesting.... Did you read the article. The complaint was they weren’t able to assimilate because they spoke French and were catholic. They were going to,ruin American culture. Its ts the same argument you hear today about Latino immigrants. |
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 22, 2019 19:32:55 GMT -5
So...US citizens didn't like thousands of white people flooding their borders? Interesting.... Did you read the article. The complaint was they weren’t able to assimilate because they spoke French and were catholic. They were going to,ruin American culture. Its ts the same argument you hear today about Latino immigrants. Yes, I read the article. They were white and people weren’t happy they were invading our country. That’s been my point all along. Racism has nothing to do with it |
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 22, 2019 19:34:28 GMT -5
My point is that people keep screaming racism over people not wanting the new wave of illegals coming over...but there was no difference when the invasion was white. when the invasion was "white" it did include religion just like today. And make no mistake people from Italy, Spain, Greece, etc. were not "white enough" in their day.
It was discrimination even at that time, and when discrimination is based on skin color it is commonly refered to as racism (so yes the screaming about racism today is actually correct whether we like it or not)
Except this is further proof that Americans don’t want anyone invading, regardless of race. Someone else posted how fhenirish were hated. They can’t get any whiter! But because this round of immigrants happens to have brown skin, suddenly it’s about race. Crazy |
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Post by adela76 on Aug 22, 2019 20:53:23 GMT -5
Because it is about race today? Just because historical American xenophobia was based on country of origin, language, religion or race in the past, doesn't make current American xenophobia based on country of origin, language, religion or race okay.
I 100% agree that today's anti-immigrant attitudes are not just about race. They are about fear - fear of difference, fear of change, fear of loss of control. Or you could say the motivation is a desire for safety, for familiarity, for control. The specifics change, but those core drivers are always the same. Those are very human motivations that drive all of us, whether we are pro or anti immigration.
I also think it's possible to be in favor of secure borders and limited legal immigration without being racist. But your insistence that today's anti-immigrant sentiments have nothing to do with race is . . .weird. I don't think intrinsic racism has driven people to suddenly become anti-immigrant. I don't think everyone who opposes immigration is racist. But I do think that some people who oppose immigration today speak and act in racist ways. And that's undeniably true today, regardless of whether 150 years ago, some people thought French Canadians (white people!) were just the worst ever.
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Post by tskeeter on Aug 22, 2019 23:13:48 GMT -5
I think that it is worth considering that a lot of opposition to immigration is based in economics.
Typically, immigrants have been the bottom tier of the labor pool. New immigrants seeking a better life usually work for lower pay than established US residents who are in the lower levels of the labor pool. As a result, new immigrants are disliked because they displace established residents in the labor market.
Another concern is that immigrants may not be able to support themselves, and become a burden on the US taxpayers. Even when DW’s ancestors came over 100 years ago, they were only allowed into the US because they could support themselves, or because they had someone in the US who promised to support them.
Even with the current restrictions, and media hype that implies that there isn’t any way to become a US citizen, between 500,000 and 900,000 people have become naturalized US citizens every year for more than the last 10 years. Kind of impressive numbers that make you wonder just how many immigrants come to the US each year.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 23, 2019 11:33:19 GMT -5
I think that it is worth considering that a lot of opposition to immigration is based in economics. Typically, immigrants have been the bottom tier of the labor pool. New immigrants seeking a better life usually work for lower pay than established US residents who are in the lower levels of the labor pool. As a result, new immigrants are disliked because they displace established residents in the labor market. Another concern is that immigrants may not be able to support themselves, and become a burden on the US taxpayers. Even when DW’s ancestors came over 100 years ago, they were only allowed into the US because they could support themselves, or because they had someone in the US who promised to support them. Even with the current restrictions, and media hype that implies that there isn’t any way to become a US citizen, between 500,000 and 900,000 people have become naturalized US citizens every year for more than the last 10 years. Kind of impressive numbers that make you wonder just how many immigrants come to the US each year. I have no problem with an immigrant that can support himself/herself and family. |
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Post by mollyc on Aug 23, 2019 14:26:25 GMT -5
But in the past being discussed Miss Tequila, it was about race. Irish, Polish, Italian and other Southern and Eastern European peoples were not considered White or Caucasian, they were Other. The other wasn't just about skin colour, it was about language, religion and culture. That was what was included when considering what race someone was in the past. |
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 23, 2019 14:30:11 GMT -5
But in the past being discussed Miss Tequila , it was about race. Irish, Polish, Italian and other Southern and Eastern European peoples were not considered White or Caucasian, they were Other. The other wasn't just about skin colour, it was about language, religion and culture. That was what was included when considering what race someone was in the past. What? so now we are making up races? If you want to say it was about culture or religion (WASP's didn't like the Catholics) I can get on board. But we can't claim racism when it was whites hating on whites. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 23, 2019 15:35:34 GMT -5
Wow!! A woman running for a city council in Michigan said she wants a "white community as much as possible." Jean Cramer's racist answer came at a forum Thursday to a question about bringing more diversity to Marysville, which is 95% white. Other candidates gasped at her words, as heard in a recording posted on the website of radio station WPHM. Asked by the moderator if the community diversity needed to be addressed, perhaps by attracting foreign-born citizens, Cramer said: "My suggestion, recommendation: Keep Marysville a white community as much as possible." She continued: "Seriously, in other words no foreign-born, no foreign people because of what, in our past, we've experienced it's better to have ... simply American-born. Put it that way and no foreigners. No." www.cnn.com/2019/08/23/us/marysville-michigan-city-council-racist-comments-soh/index.html |
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 24, 2019 18:47:08 GMT -5
The whole French Canadian invasion thing is nothing new. They come here every year. Danged snowbirds.  Spend a lot of money, even though they drive funny. Like, all polite and using turn signals and stuff.  |
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 24, 2019 19:19:54 GMT -5
The whole French Canadian invasion thing is nothing new. They come here every year. Danged snowbirds. Spend a lot of money, even though they drive funny. Like, all polite and using turn signals and stuff. What's up with that! |
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 25, 2019 18:21:31 GMT -5
The whole French Canadian invasion thing is nothing new. They come here every year. Danged snowbirds. Spend a lot of money, even though they drive funny. Like, all polite and using turn signals and stuff. What's up with that! Dunno. The invasion has not started yet. A little too early still. By mid-September, when it begins to snow in Canada  , we see the car carriers arriving. |
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Post by teen persuasion on Aug 25, 2019 20:09:23 GMT -5
My great grandmother's paternal lineage immigrated from France in 1647. That male ancestor died after being captured by by Iroquois. Her mother's paternal lineage immigrated from France in 1730. similar vintage to my family, and the same way - Pepere's side arrived in the 1600s. Similar for DH's paternal line, too. My father's parents were each in that dreaded Eastern European influx mentioned at the end of the article. I'm not clear when mom's Irish ancestors came over, probably around the Great Potato Famine, but there was a large group of Irish involved in building that Erie Canal, too, so this area has a large Irish Catholic presence. |
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 26, 2019 15:38:28 GMT -5
So...US citizens didn't like thousands of white people flooding their borders? Interesting.... US citizens didn't like European immigrants coming here either around the turn of the last century. Irish, Poles, Italians, Germans, etc... The stupid thing is every last one of us came from somewhere else or has ancestors that came from somewhere else, unless you are 100% Native American. I read a book a while ago called The Witches about the Salem witch trials. Back in the 1600's, the problem invaders were Indians, the French that were dangerously Catholic and who gave the Indians weapons and booze, the Quakers (their religion was considered dangerously radical because they believed there was a piece of God in each of us, and they were fairly obnoxious) and the Irish (also dangerously Catholic).
The Puritans were forever demanding that England needed to send over more troops to protect them from all the invaders, especially the Irish Catholics who were always rumored to be unloading boatloads of men and weapons all around New England.
Of course, the Puritans couldn't even get along with themselves. They were not the placid and God fearing bunch from the first Thanksgiving, they were always suing each other over missing cows and pigs or pieces of property, and firing their minister and running him out of town. Really crabby bunch. I can't imagine why the French/Indians or Catholics even wanted to invade them.
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