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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 8, 2019 20:24:37 GMT -5
We need to get out the vote in 2020 to vote out trump.
We need to remind the voters what type of deplorable man is trump.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 8, 2019 21:25:07 GMT -5
I'm afraid to hope that it is.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2019 7:52:15 GMT -5
Things are getting ugly for some of the GOP congressmen who've supported Trump, anyway.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-lawmakers-town-hall-erupts-in-shouting-over-mass-shootings-trump/ar-AAFxobh?li=BBnb7Kz
Congressman Stewart's town hall erupting into shouting on the first question and got so contentious he had to threaten to walk out if they didn't settle down. He was challenged on why he voted 'no' on the House vote to condemn Trump for his verbal attacks on four minority congresswomen.
When they asked about Trump's perceived role in inciting the mass shooting incidents, he said 'The POTUS, as far as I know, hasn't shot anyone."
So that's the bar we're going to set? Ok for the President to talk about stomping puppies for fun, but if he hasn't actually stomped a puppy himself, we're good?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2019 7:58:32 GMT -5
Things are getting ugly for some of the GOP congressmen who've supported Trump, anyway.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-lawmakers-town-hall-erupts-in-shouting-over-mass-shootings-trump/ar-AAFxobh?li=BBnb7Kz
Congressman Stewart's town hall erupting into shouting on the first question and got so contentious he had to threaten to walk out if they didn't settle down. He was challenged on why he voted 'no' on the House vote to condemn Trump for his verbal attacks on four minority congresswomen.
When they asked about Trump's perceived role in inciting the mass shooting incidents, he said 'The POTUS, as far as I know, hasn't shot anyone."
So that's the bar we're going to set? Ok for the President to talk about stomping puppies for fun, but if he hasn't actually stomped a puppy himself, we're good?
Hitler didn't set off the Zyklon B in Nazi gas chambers. So stop blaming Hitler for the Final Solution.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 9, 2019 9:19:24 GMT -5
I don't know- how many times have you been all tingly that "fill-in-the-blank" will be the "turning point"?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2019 10:23:53 GMT -5
Trump and his aides apparently view his post-shootings visit to Dayton and El Paso as 'something of a debacle'As President Trump prepares for a 10-day stay at his golf resort in New Jersey starting Friday, punctuated early on with a big-dollar fundraiser in New York's Hamptons, nobody in the White House seems happy with Trump's visit Wednesday to Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso, Texas, the cities where two back-to-back shootings over the weekend left 31 victims dead. Trump and some of his aides publicly called the visits a big success, but privately, aides "conceded Thursday that his visits to two cities in mourning did not go as planned," CNN reported Thursday evening. That was already clear by Thursday morning, as New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman told CNN. The perception got worse as video emerged of Trump bragging falsely about his crowd sizes while visiting victims in the El Paso hospital. "White House officials blocked reporters and their cameras from entering the two hospitals," fearing "a moment like the one that is now going viral," CNN reports, but Trump's social media team released glowing photos and a campaign-style video of the hospital visits afterward, after Trump "lashed out at his staff for keeping the cameras away from him, complaining that he wasn't receiving enough credit." And on Thursday, reporters confirmed that some of the recovering victims — including an infant whose parents died saving him at the El Paso Walmart — were brought back after being discharged so they could be photographed with Trump, after other patients said they didn't want to meet with the president. Complete article here: Trump and his aides apparently view his post-shootings visit to Dayton and El Paso as 'something of a debacle'The campaign-style video prepared by the White House of trump consoling the families of the victims can be found in the Jimmy Kimmel video below:
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2019 10:30:32 GMT -5
I don't know- how many times have you been all tingly that "fill-in-the-blank" will be the "turning point"? Should we compare that to the number of times you were all tingly about all the Deep Throat conspirators about be frog marched out and shot in firing lines? Or how many times you fawningly described Hillary's Parkinsons and terminal brain injury?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 9, 2019 10:38:44 GMT -5
I don't know- how many times have you been all tingly that "fill-in-the-blank" will be the "turning point"? mental illness has no "turning point"
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Post by bean29 on Aug 9, 2019 10:39:41 GMT -5
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the proposed solution will do nothing, nada, zilch. It won't protect anyone from anything.
accused of being a potential threat to themselves or others or is considered mentally unstable This above part of that statement is what I think has always been referred to as the "Fifth Standard" in the Mental Health Law in Wisconsin. I believe that most state's Mental Health Commitment laws follow Wisconsin's. When does "being a potential threat to themselves or others" result in someone being committed for mental health issues. The answer is almost never. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has won some awards for a series of articles they did to highlight how difficult it is to get help for Mentally Ill family Members. (I tried to do a google search and I failed)
archive.jsonline.com/news/obituaries/alberta-lessard-whose-case-opened-door-for-mentally-ill-dies-at-94-b99488802z1-301380861.html
archive.jsonline.com/news/law-creates-barriers-to-getting-care-for-mentally-ill-135387808.html
The above story is one of the articles I was looking for. I don't have time to read it right now. But I think it will give you an idea of why what they are proposing will do nada.
In my HS days I worked for a small newspaper, and remember her calling the newspaper with Wacky stories and throwing eggs at the plate glass window of the paper.
My own father was Bi-Polar, and when I was younger I Hated/resented/was angry with Alberta Lessard b/c I felt that she was the one that fought for the "if someone is a danger to themselves or other law", that made it difficult to get help for my father when he was in a bi-polar high/low. We were lucky though and we almost always could talk Dad into signing himself into the hospital. My feelings about Alberta Lessard changed in more recent years. I now feel she was the victim of her own success/possibly was the dupe for individuals who had an ulterior motive of not having to provide treatment/housing for mentally ill individuals. When I read about her dumpster diving on the county hospital grounds, and them saying she was not a danger to herself or others, I was outraged on her behalf, and began to feel sorry for her. Milwaukee County has been in violation of a court order to provide community based housing/living facilities/treatment for the mentally ill for over 30 years. I have decided that it is willful. If they actually tried to follow the order, they could not afford it. They just don't have the funds to do it.
ETA: My Dad once had a serious breakdown in the office of his Psychiatrist. My Mom knew he was beginning to lose it when they left for the appointment, but when they were on the way to the Dr's office, my Dad was trying to take control of the steering wheel from my Mom en Route. She says they were luck to arrive there without getting in an accident. My Dad then proceeded to have a meltdown in the lobby of the swanky east side Doctor's office. Mom said he broke a very expensive vase in the lobby. The police were called and asked to transport Dad to the Hospital. Because of the Fifth Standard, the Police made all Seven Psychiatrists in the practice sign off that Dad "was a danger to himself or others" before they would transport him to the hospital. When my Dad had Bi-Polar highs/Lows, it was usually because somehow his medications were off. Once he was in the hospital, it would usually only take a week to two for him to get back to normal, and my Brother, and Mom's cousin before him were very good at convincing Dad to agree to treatment. My Mom would never have willingly called the Police to transport Dad to the hospital, because they tended to set him off in the wrong direction. They were called b/c of the broken vase.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 9, 2019 10:46:09 GMT -5
bean, I'm not so sure that a "red flag" law would do zilch. The mother of the ElPaso asshole called police weeks in advance because she was concerned. she was told he was legally allowed to have his AK type weapon.
but, by itself it's not enough. It's time to simply repeal the 2nd and pass common sense legislation. Nationally - not a patchwork of laws that vary from one state to another.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2019 10:48:25 GMT -5
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the proposed solution will do nothing, nada, zilch. It won't protect anyone from anything.
accused of being a potential threat to themselves or others or is considered mentally unstable This above part of that statement is what I think has always been referred to as the "Fifth Standard" in the Mental Health Law in Wisconsin. I believe that most state's Mental Health Commitment laws follow Wisconsin's. When does "being a potential threat to themselves or others" result in someone being committed for mental health issues. The answer is almost never. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has won some awards for a series of articles they did to highlight how difficult it is to get help for Mentally Ill family Members. (I tried to do a google search and I failed)
archive.jsonline.com/news/obituaries/alberta-lessard-whose-case-opened-door-for-mentally-ill-dies-at-94-b99488802z1-301380861.html
archive.jsonline.com/news/law-creates-barriers-to-getting-care-for-mentally-ill-135387808.html
The above story is one of the articles I was looking for. I don't have time to read it right now. But I think it will give you an idea of why what they are proposing will do nada.
In my HS days I worked for a small newspaper, and remember her calling the newspaper with Wacky stories and throwing eggs at the plate glass window of the paper.
My own father was Bi-Polar, and when I was younger I Hated/resented/was angry with Alberta Lessard b/c I felt that she was the one that fought for the "if someone is a danger to themselves or other law", that made it difficult to get help for my father when he was in a bi-polar high/low. We were lucky though and we almost always could talk Dad into signing himself into the hospital. My feelings about Alberta Lessard changed in more recent years. I now feel she was the victim of her own success/possibly was the dupe for individuals who had an ulterior motive of not having to provide treatment/housing for mentally ill individuals. When I read about her dumpster diving on the county hospital grounds, and them saying she was not a danger to herself or others, I was outraged on her behalf, and began to feel sorry for her. Milwaukee County has been in violation of a court order to provide community based housing/living facilities/treatment for the mentally ill for over 30 years. I have decided that it is willful. If they actually tried to follow the order, they could not afford it. They just don't have the funds to do it.
I haven't read up on this proposed law. The mother of the el Paso shooter said she called the cops when her son bought an assault weapon but the cops said they couldn't do anything because he was 21 and an adult. Would this proposed law do anything in those kinds of cases?
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Post by bean29 on Aug 9, 2019 10:58:20 GMT -5
I haven't read up on this proposed law. The mother of the el Paso shooter said she called the cops when her son bought an assault weapon but the cops said they couldn't do anything because he was 21 and an adult. Would this proposed law do anything in those kinds of cases?
I went back and edited the above comment. to add this:
The problem is that law enforcement has been very hesitant to declare someone a danger to themselves or others. Idk. Apparently New York and some other states have amended that standard in such a way that they are more successful in getting people help. I just wonder if this is the Republicans way of proposing a "solution" that is not going to change anything and maintain the status quo.
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 9, 2019 11:02:03 GMT -5
^^^^Bean, I think it's not only a way to maintain the status quo...it also won't rile the NRA so their donations won't get cut either.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2019 11:13:23 GMT -5
I don't know- how many times have you been all tingly that "fill-in-the-blank" will be the "turning point"? zero. i have never seen a president with such steady public approval. i expect 2020 to be very much like 2016.
this president is a shitshow. nobody seems to care. none of his fans anyway. we get it. it really isn't funny, tho.
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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2019 11:22:41 GMT -5
zero. i have never seen a president with such steady public approval. i expect 2020 to be very much like 2016.
this president is a shitshow. nobody seems to care. none of his fans anyway. we get it. it really isn't funny, tho.
Those of us who see him for what he really is are horrified, and continued to be horrified. His fanboys still love him and think the Fake News is being mean to him. I don't know how many times I've seen the meme go around FB about Trump not taking a salary and how he's "putting aside his own business to his detriment to take care of the country." No matter how many charts, graphs, or explanations are given about how he and his family are actually enriching himself, i.e., the secret service pays market rates to house and feed the agents at his resorts, Ivana's handbag manufacturer being exempt from the tariffs, his adult sons having business meetings abroad while they travel with the family, they will not believe it.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 9, 2019 11:44:56 GMT -5
El Paso is not a turning point.
And even if it is, it won't matter unless a small and very specific group of voters are the ones that turn. I highly doubt Texas will give their electoral votes to a Democrat in 2020.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 9, 2019 12:44:05 GMT -5
What the fuck is this? Holding an orphaned infant whose parents were both killed by the shooter, with a big shit-eating grin and a thumbs-up? Thumbs-up for WHAT? That the baby is lucky he gets to meet the POTUS, so all is right in his world?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2019 12:44:55 GMT -5
El Paso is not a turning point. And even if it is, it won't matter unless a small and very specific group of voters are the ones that turn. I highly doubt Texas will give their electoral votes to a Democrat in 2020. it depends on the Democrat. but I will say that I think it is unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 13:07:54 GMT -5
El Paso is not a turning point. And even if it is, it won't matter unless a small and very specific group of voters are the ones that turn. I highly doubt Texas will give their electoral votes to a Democrat in 2020. After seeing that amount of people vote for a person like Trump and then the electoral college rubber stamping it I have zero faith in the American public in general to make an educated decision. I know, I know....... but Hillary and emails.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 9, 2019 13:10:17 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2019 13:12:44 GMT -5
El Paso is not a turning point. And even if it is, it won't matter unless a small and very specific group of voters are the ones that turn. I highly doubt Texas will give their electoral votes to a Democrat in 2020. After seeing that amount of people vote for a person like Trump and then the electoral college rubber stamping it I have zero faith in the American public in general to make an educated decision. I know, I know....... but Hillary and emails. you forgot benghazi and her shrillness.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2019 13:18:49 GMT -5
they have about a dozen right wing memes that they play continuously, like a really shitty jukebox in an Alzheimer's ward.
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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2019 13:20:27 GMT -5
they have about a dozen right wing memes that they play continuously, like a really shitty jukebox in an Alzheimer's ward. My mom has Alzheimers and even she understands Trump is a conman.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 9, 2019 13:29:51 GMT -5
bean, I'm not so sure that a "red flag" law would do zilch. The mother of the ElPaso asshole called police weeks in advance because she was concerned. she was told he was legally allowed to have his AK type weapon. but, by itself it's not enough. It's time to simply repeal the 2nd and pass common sense legislation. Nationally - not a patchwork of laws that vary from one state to another. The El Paso Asshole, I like that.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 9, 2019 13:31:05 GMT -5
What the fuck is this? Holding an orphaned infant whose parents were both killed by the shooter, with a big shit-eating grin and a thumbs-up? Thumbs-up for WHAT? That the baby is lucky he gets to meet the POTUS, so all is right in his world? That has to be an old photo from something else. It has to be.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2019 13:31:40 GMT -5
What the fuck is this? Holding an orphaned infant whose parents were both killed by the shooter, with a big shit-eating grin and a thumbs-up? Thumbs-up for WHAT? That the baby is lucky he gets to meet the POTUS, so all is right in his world? Someone posted a photo of him yesterday awkwardly laying his hands on a young girl who was supposedly shot in the Dayton nightclub massacre (a ten year old girl was at a night club in the middle of the night?) He was leaning over her, his hands flat on her arms, his head turned toward the camera - I thought that was the creepiest photo, but I was wrong. This is worse.
I like the expression of the lady on the right. She knows what a shit show Trump is throwing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2019 13:39:17 GMT -5
it's so horrifying, it is actually hilarious.
if I were to make a parody of this shittiest president ever, I am not sure I could have come up with this.
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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2019 13:51:29 GMT -5
it's so horrifying, it is actually hilarious. if I were to make a parody of this shittiest president ever, I am not sure I could have come up with this. IKR?
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