trump, Background Checks, and Immigration Reform

[Tennesseer]

IMO, a disgusting suggestion from trump. Pairing strong background checks with his desire for immigration reform.

To even try to get thinking Americans to believe those injured and killed in El Paso and Dayton would be alive today if only we had reformed our immigration laws. To even try and link immigration reform with strong background check would have saved the children of Newtown, Connecticut or those mowed down in Las Vegas is ludicrous at best.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Trump calls for ‘strong background checks’ after massacres, suggests pairing gun legislation with immigration reform

President Trump called Monday for “strong background checks” in the wake of the mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, and suggested pairing gun legislation with immigration reform, a top priority of his that he has failed to move through Congress.

“We cannot let those killed in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, die in vain,” Trump said in early-morning tweets, referring to the massacres that left 29 people dead.

“Likewise for those so seriously wounded,” he said. “We can never forget them, and those many who came before them. Republicans and Democrats must come together and get strong background checks, perhaps marrying this legislation with desperately needed immigration reform. We must have something good, if not GREAT, come out of these two tragic events!”

Trump calls for ‘strong background checks’ after massacres, suggests pairing gun legislation with immigration reform

Grow a pair of balls, trump, and handle these mass murder issues as a stand alone problem. We are watching you.

[Tiny]

Trump (GOP) wants immigration reform.   They are not getting it.  My take away is that Trump just threw "gun regulation" in the face of the people who aren't going for Trump's immigration reform.    Basically a choice:   give us the immigration reforms we want and we'll toss you a cookie in the form of some gun regulations.    Basically a trade:  you can have some American lives saved IF you give us ongoing  profit from immigration reform and our ongoing use of fear to get what we want. 

   Trump is a businessman and knows the power of the deal.     

[djAdvocate]

yes, we have seen his amazing skills on display with NK.

[bean29]

Yeah, he is fueling the hate against immigrants. Other Government officials would think it through and realize that they are not items that are related/one can trade without other issues coming up. He basically just blamed mass killings that have nothing to do with minorities on immigrants.

This administration can not come to an end soon enough.  It just goes from bad to worse.

[happyhoix]

How the hell does he think immigration reform would fix the El Paso shooting?

Does Trump think if we kick all the brown people out, the white racists won't be so angry and go on shooting rampages anymore?

By the way, some of the victims in El Paso were Mexican citizens who came over the border to shop at the Walmart - and Mexico wants to extradite the murderer. I say - don't even try the guy in Texas. Ship him down to spend the rest of his life rotting in a Mexican prison, surrounded by brown people. If, by some remote chance, the guy survives and gets released, decades from now,  Texas can have him back and give him the death penalty.

[countrygirl2]

What will help stop these shootings is for him to close his bigoted, racist damn mouth.  Not laughing at people about shooting migrants or comparing them to rats and vermin or talking about invasions which he helped start.  The fool is trying to distance himself, any reasonable person knows what he has done.  Bet his next rally its back to the same.  He is trying to produce fixes, maybe, to all this stuff he caused.  Like Obama put in to place protections to keep guns from mentally ill and he rescinded it first thing.    

The manifesto said what trump did and now he is trying to push the blame on everything but
him.  Before he is done, the idiot is going to crash everything. Perhaps as the day goes on, some will start buying what they perceive are bargains.


China is fixing him, they cut off all agricultural purchases, you think the market is crashing now, if
I were they I would say I'm not buying your bonds and all that debt.  You couldn't spend your money fast enough to stop it from becoming worthless.  He has created a total danger zone, scary shit.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Well if there were no brown people there would be no white racists to hate them and go on rampages to eliminate them.

Just like if there were no video games then there would be no mass shootings.

Just like if there were no TV there would be no violence

It isn't like there is a team of world leading researchers sitting in an institution that could do actual experiments and collect actual data to you know find the common denominators involved in mass shootings.

Nope, screw that they are just a bunch of high faluting intellectual liberal conspiracy theorists seeking to take my guns!   I'll take my bets with Trump having it all figured out.

[NastyWoman]

Aug 5, 2019 13:20:46 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Well if there were no brown people there would be no white racists to hate them and go on rampages to eliminate them.

Just like if there were no video games then there would be no mass shootings.

Just like if there were no TV there would be no violence

It isn't like there is a team of world leading researchers sitting in an institution that could do actual experiments and collect actual data to you know find the common denominators involved in mass shootings.

Nope, screw that they are just a bunch of high faluting intellectual liberal conspiracy theorists seeking to take my guns!   I'll take my bets with Trump having it all figured out.

Weeeelllll... you forget that the KKK didn't just hate people of color: they also hated Jews, Catholics, homosexuals and all other kind of "critters" that didn't meet their purity requirements. So I think it is safe to say that you are getting a little ahead of yourself with that statement.

Also the first mass murderer/spree killer that I read about was that guy at UT who killed 13 and wounded 43 in 1966 preceding video hames by quite a few years.

And I believe there wasn't a TV in every house when Hitler build his camps. Don't like the "foreign aspect" of the last example: when I was young (a very long time ago) violence on TV was provided by reporting what was happening in Vietnam. My Lai (1968) anyone?

[dezii]

Aug 5, 2019 10:48:28 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Trump (GOP) wants immigration reform.   They are not getting it.  My take away is that Trump just threw "gun regulation" in the face of the people who aren't going for Trump's immigration reform.    Basically a choice:   give us the immigration reforms we want and we'll toss you a cookie in the form of some gun regulations.    Basically a trade:  you can have some American lives saved IF you give us ongoing  profit from immigration reform and our ongoing use of fear to get what we want. 

   Trump is a businessman and knows the power of the deal.     

just had a thought...are any of these folks committing these mass shootings of innocents the refugees, Latin's, folks of color that the Donald has been warning us about for the past three plus years...seem all fall in the category of longtime citizens of  the white persuasion....Just saying.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Aug 5, 2019 15:17:23 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Aug 5, 2019 13:20:46 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Well if there were no brown people there would be no white racists to hate them and go on rampages to eliminate them.

Just like if there were no video games then there would be no mass shootings.

Just like if there were no TV there would be no violence

It isn't like there is a team of world leading researchers sitting in an institution that could do actual experiments and collect actual data to you know find the common denominators involved in mass shootings.

Nope, screw that they are just a bunch of high faluting intellectual liberal conspiracy theorists seeking to take my guns!   I'll take my bets with Trump having it all figured out.

Weeeelllll... you forget that the KKK didn't just hate people of color: they also hated Jews, Catholics, homosexuals and all other kind of "critters" that didn't meet their purity requirements. So I think it is safe to say that you are getting a little ahead of yourself with that statement.

Also the first mass murderer/spree killer that I read about was that guy at UT who killed 13 and wounded 43 in 1966 preceding video hames by quite a few years.

And I believe there wasn't a TV in every house when Hitler build his camps. Don't like the "foreign aspect" of the last example: when I was young (a very long time ago) violence on TV was provided by reporting what was happening in Vietnam. My Lai (1968) anyone?

I was being sarcastic.   Those are reasons I have had people toss at me quickly but there has been nothing done to verify it.   A real simple fix would be to lift the full ban on gun testing and see what comes of it.

I know they partially lifted the ban but telling a researcher "Well you can research this but you aren't allowed to include the variable that our lobbyists disapprove of" is not very effective and that was the point.  You can't conclude anything when a big glaring variable isn't allowed to be included in your data.

[NastyWoman]

Aug 5, 2019 15:51:32 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Aug 5, 2019 15:17:23 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Weeeelllll... you forget that the KKK didn't just hate people of color: they also hated Jews, Catholics, homosexuals and all other kind of "critters" that didn't meet their purity requirements. So I think it is safe to say that you are getting a little ahead of yourself with that statement.

Also the first mass murderer/spree killer that I read about was that guy at UT who killed 13 and wounded 43 in 1966 preceding video hames by quite a few years.

And I believe there wasn't a TV in every house when Hitler build his camps. Don't like the "foreign aspect" of the last example: when I was young (a very long time ago) violence on TV was provided by reporting what was happening in Vietnam. My Lai (1968) anyone?

I was being sarcastic.   Those are reasons I have had people toss at me quickly but there has been nothing done to verify it.   A real simple fix would be to lift the full ban on gun testing and see what comes of it.

I know they partially lifted the ban but telling a researcher "Well you can research this but you aren't allowed to include the variable that our lobbyists disapprove of" is not very effective and that was the point.  You can't conclude anything when a big glaring variable isn't allowed to be included in your data.

I know, and so was I. I was simply playing off your list to get to the same people you were trying to reach.  It problaby is a lost cause though. There is way too much nastiness and too many blindfolds are used in order to keep blaming the "others"...

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I keep arguing that "gun research" might actually prove this people correct and guns AREN'T to blame.   You'd be able to lord that over all the reviled liberals you know for the rest of your life.  Lobbyists and the NRA may have you convinced you know what the results will be but you don't.

You can't know that unless the research is done.  

This is a problem with people in general and America in particular, people are not open to opposing views (and this goes on both sides of the gun issue).  We all need to be open to letting science do it's job.  Draw the data and THEN see where the conclusions lead.

Until then nothing is going to get done.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 5, 2019 13:20:46 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Well if there were no brown people there would be no white racists to hate them and go on rampages to eliminate them.

Just like if there were no video games then there would be no mass shootings.

Just like if there were no TV there would be no violence

It isn't like there is a team of world leading researchers sitting in an institution that could do actual experiments and collect actual data to you know find the common denominators involved in mass shootings.

Nope, screw that they are just a bunch of high faluting intellectual liberal conspiracy theorists seeking to take my guns!   I'll take my bets with Trump having it all figured out.

Maybe the haters will use Ohio GOP state rep Candice Keller's message on her personal Facebook page as their future guide as to whom to go after once the brown people are all eliminated:



The Ohio state party leader has requested she resign.

Politics Ohio Republican blames mass shootings on ‘drag queen advocates,’ Colin Kaepernick and Obama

[resolution]

Looks like she left out "Fake News" although she got the video games.

There have actually been some studies done on what are the most effective regulations to reduce gun violence.

www.citylab.com/life/2019/04/gun-control-firearms-law-deaths-shooting-state-data-research/586363/

In the linked study, the most effective measures are universal background checks, refusing guns to people with convictions for violent offences, and giving the police discretion on whether or not to issue a permit. Actual gun bans weren't effective.

Universal background checks are associated with a nearly 15 percent drop in the homicide rate. Measures that prohibit people who committed a violent crime from owning a handgun are associated with an even larger reduction in homicide, 18 percent. Conversely, requiring police to approve concealed-carry permits unless the applicant meets explicitly stated exclusion criteria—so-called “shall-issue” laws—are associated with a nearly 10 percent higher homicide rate.