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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 4, 2019 6:48:05 GMT -5
Opinion The Second Amendment has failed AmericaThe gun massacres in America are now coming so quickly, one after another, that it's impossible to process our grief and anger before the next one occurs. There is a sickness in our land, and it cries out for an immediate, righteous, and even radical response. It's possible you went to bed Saturday night, like I did, upset and angry about the news that a 21-year-old man besotted with white supremacy and armed with an assault rifle opened fire in El Paso, Texas, killing at least 20 people and injuring dozens more. How could you know that, by the time you awoke, another mass shooting — this one in Dayton, Ohio — would be making headlines? Early reports suggested there were multiple casualties in Ohio, and video from the scene showed a massive response by local police and medics. And all of this happened just days after another young man, a 19-year-old who was also obsessed with white supremacy and armed with an assault rifle, opened fire at the Gilroy Garlic Festival in California, killing three people. God help us. Scratch that. It's time that we help ourselves. And we can start by understanding and declaring that the Second Amendment is a failure. Complete article here: The Second Amendment has failed America
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Post by Bluerobin on Aug 4, 2019 8:08:56 GMT -5
I'd prefer we help ourselves by requiring every adult to carry. No one is going to be dumb enough to open fire against a mall full of armed folks. The 2A has been a great success in that it has not be necessary to change our government.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 4, 2019 8:26:28 GMT -5
I'd prefer we help ourselves by requiring every adult to carry. No one is going to be dumb enough to open fire against a mall full of armed folks. The 2A has been a great success in that it has not be necessary to change our government.
Gun show,, where there thousands of guns, thousands handling those guns, extremely few accidents,
And like NO on purpose shootings!
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 4, 2019 8:32:10 GMT -5
I'd prefer we help ourselves by requiring every adult to carry. No one is going to be dumb enough to open fire against a mall full of armed folks. The 2A has been a great success in that it has not be necessary to change our government.
Intriguing idea. The only institution that "we" have to enforce a requirement that every adult be armed with a weapon is government. For it to do so would create a significant change in how our government interacts with citizens as they go about their daily lives.
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Post by Bluerobin on Aug 4, 2019 8:43:59 GMT -5
Bill, no need to enforce, as long as the right is there. Even you would not shoot into a room full of armed folks.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 4, 2019 8:50:32 GMT -5
Bill, no need to enforce, as long as the right is there. Even you would not shoot into a room full of armed folks. I was responding to the idea you offered that every adult be required to carry.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 4, 2019 8:52:54 GMT -5
The Second most certainly is not a failure or the cause of these shootings. The failure lies at the feet of those that misuse these tools, The problem is the people not the gun. The ones that get you upset are not the ones that represent the most deaths. Mass shooting where the gunman, sets up shoots a bunch of people unknown to them is very rare! Your chance of being involve in a unknown shooter, shooting people unknown to them is extremely low.
On the other hand,
If you are Black, or have family member, or around drugs or alcohol, your chance are greater, quite frankly, ones that have loved you used to love you are the most dangerous!
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Post by Bluerobin on Aug 4, 2019 8:53:32 GMT -5
Bill, I realize that, and feel enforcement would not be needed.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 4, 2019 9:12:59 GMT -5
Bill, I realize that, and feel enforcement would not be needed. So you would have us, through our government, enact a law "requiring all adults to carry" but not enforce it?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 4, 2019 9:23:13 GMT -5
I'd prefer we help ourselves by requiring every adult to carry. No one is going to be dumb enough to open fire against a mall full of armed folks. The 2A has been a great success in that it has not be necessary to change our government.
“Every” adult..... Including mentally ill sociopaths.... What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 4, 2019 9:27:23 GMT -5
Opinion The Second Amendment has failed AmericaThe gun massacres in America are now coming so quickly, one after another, that it's impossible to process our grief and anger before the next one occurs. There is a sickness in our land, and it cries out for an immediate, righteous, and even radical response. It's possible you went to bed Saturday night, like I did, upset and angry about the news that a 21-year-old man besotted with white supremacy and armed with an assault rifle opened fire in El Paso, Texas, killing at least 20 people and injuring dozens more. How could you know that, by the time you awoke, another mass shooting — this one in Dayton, Ohio — would be making headlines? Early reports suggested there were multiple casualties in Ohio, and video from the scene showed a massive response by local police and medics. And all of this happened just days after another young man, a 19-year-old who was also obsessed with white supremacy and armed with an assault rifle, opened fire at the Gilroy Garlic Festival in California, killing three people. God help us. Scratch that. It's time that we help ourselves. And we can start by understanding and declaring that the Second Amendment is a failure. Complete article here: The Second Amendment has failed AmericaThis. I used to tiptoe around the gun nuts.. Pointing out that I have no issue with hunters and target practice (I still don’t), but I do want to see assault weapons banned and common sense regulations re education, licensing and registration. Fuck that. I want the 2nd amendment repealled. Period. Anyone who STILL supports easy access to assault weapons is complicit in every mass shooting. Like the second one this morning, in less than 24 hours.
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Post by Bluerobin on Aug 4, 2019 10:02:58 GMT -5
The regulation we have is sensible. Banning guns is dictatorial too. Arm everyone, and fewer problems.
The Second Amendment is a resounding success. It has kept the government at bay. You anti 2A types best move to Canada.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 4, 2019 10:05:07 GMT -5
Learn something every day: Not only do hand guns penetrate body armor but also they are far more destructive than automatic weapons.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 4, 2019 10:10:22 GMT -5
... Banning guns is dictatorial too. ... Totally agree. The challenge is getting people to understand that repealing the 2nd Amendment would not ban guns.
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 4, 2019 10:32:55 GMT -5
I'd prefer we help ourselves by requiring every adult to carry. No one is going to be dumb enough to open fire against a mall full of armed folks. The 2A has been a great success in that it has not be necessary to change our government.
Great idea, maybe like applying for a social security card when you are born, we'll issue them a gun as well?
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Post by Bluerobin on Aug 4, 2019 10:35:16 GMT -5
I'd prefer we help ourselves by requiring every adult to carry. No one is going to be dumb enough to open fire against a mall full of armed folks. The 2A has been a great success in that it has not be necessary to change our government.
Great idea, maybe like applying for a social security card when you are born, we'll issue them a gun as well? Not a bad idea, but best wait until they are capable of taking training. Note the key word "Adult". No go back to grade school and learn to read instead of letting your fear of guns control you.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 4, 2019 10:42:05 GMT -5
...Not a bad idea, but best wait until they are capable of taking training. ... So would taking training and meeting a minimal level of competence be necessary to carry?
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 4, 2019 10:42:24 GMT -5
Great idea, maybe like applying for a social security card when you are born, we'll issue them a gun as well? Not a bad idea, but best wait until they are capable of taking training. Note the key word "Adult". No go back to grade school and learn to read instead of letting your fear of guns control you. Maybe you should go back to conservative world and learn what "require every adult to carry" means.
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Post by Bluerobin on Aug 4, 2019 10:47:38 GMT -5
Bill, I am rarely in the mood to tolerate you. From now on you are on ignore. tbop, go away. I said adult. You said at birth.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 4, 2019 11:03:32 GMT -5
Bill, I am rarely in the mood to tolerate you. From now on you are on ignore. tbop, go away. I said adult. You said at birth.
Wow! You toss out a proposal and I take it seriously enough to attempt to fully understand what you are suggesting we do as a nation. I will admit that your proposal didn't seem to be reasonable on its presentation. But I was warming up to the idea that, with proper training and proven competence, we all carry. We could become, as a citizenry, a well regulated militia.
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 4, 2019 11:12:52 GMT -5
Bill, I am rarely in the mood to tolerate you. From now on you are on ignore. tbop, go away. I said adult. You said at birth.
Go away? Going to take away everyone who disagrees with your idea first amendment rights too? Your idea of "requiring every adult to carry" is about as crazy as giving every newborn a gun.
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Post by Bluerobin on Aug 4, 2019 11:20:40 GMT -5
Bill, I am rarely in the mood to tolerate you. From now on you are on ignore. tbop, go away. I said adult. You said at birth.
Go away? Going to take away everyone who disagrees with your idea first amendment rights too? Your idea of "requiring every adult to carry" is about as crazy as giving every newborn a gun. Take a walk past a gun store, and scare yourself. No your idea is the incorrect one.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 12:07:50 GMT -5
I'd prefer we help ourselves by requiring every adult to carry. No one is going to be dumb enough to open fire against a mall full of armed folks. The 2A has been a great success in that it has not be necessary to change our government.
that is utterly false.
suicide terrorists will still gun down innocent people, even if everyone was carrying. or they will drive a truck through a crowd. or rent a van full of fertilizer and blow up a building or a shopping mall.
you can't beat this shit back with guns, bluerobin. it is a contagion, and it is growing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 12:10:13 GMT -5
I'd prefer we help ourselves by requiring every adult to carry. No one is going to be dumb enough to open fire against a mall full of armed folks. The 2A has been a great success in that it has not be necessary to change our government.
“Every” adult..... Including mentally ill sociopaths.... What could possibly go wrong? how about people who can't see 10'? people who are too feeble to aim properly?
it might not be the most insane idea I have ever heard, but it is among them.
every cop carries a gun in this country. cops get killed.
you need no more proof than that. this idea won't work.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 12:11:21 GMT -5
The regulation we have is sensible. Banning guns is dictatorial too. Arm everyone, and fewer problems.
The Second Amendment is a resounding success. It has kept the government at bay. You anti 2A types best move to Canada.
Canada has gun rights, and far fewer murders and suicides than the US.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 4, 2019 12:12:47 GMT -5
The Second most certainly is not a failure or the cause of these shootings. The failure lies at the feet of those that misuse these tools, The problem is the people not the gun. The ones that get you upset are not the ones that represent the most deaths. Mass shooting where the gunman, sets up shoots a bunch of people unknown to them is very rare! Your chance of being involve in a unknown shooter, shooting people unknown to them is extremely low.
On the other hand,
If you are Black, or have family member, or around drugs or alcohol, your chance are greater, quite frankly, ones that have loved you used to love you are the most dangerous!
Three in one week is hardly "rare".
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 4, 2019 12:14:22 GMT -5
The regulation we have is sensible. Banning guns is dictatorial too. Arm everyone, and fewer problems.
The Second Amendment is a resounding success. It has kept the government at bay. You anti 2A types best move to Canada.
Why yes! The solution to gun violence is more guns. Just like the solution to the opioid problem is more opioids. Fentanyl for everyone! That should fix it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 4, 2019 12:24:25 GMT -5
Great idea, maybe like applying for a social security card when you are born, we'll issue them a gun as well? Not a bad idea, but best wait until they are capable of taking training. Note the key word "Adult". No go back to grade school and learn to read instead of letting your fear of guns control you. You spelled 'Now' wrong. Now go back to school and learn how to read and write.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 4, 2019 12:34:26 GMT -5
I'd prefer we help ourselves by requiring every adult to carry. No one is going to be dumb enough to open fire against a mall full of armed folks. The 2A has been a great success in that it has not be necessary to change our government.
Sounds like a way to ensure more people got shot - not in mass shootings, but in single shootings. The rate of road rage, spontaneous anger shootings, shootings during crimes, domestic violence, accidental shootings, suicides and police shootings would increase dramatically.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 4, 2019 12:37:52 GMT -5
The regulation we have is sensible. Banning guns is dictatorial too. Arm everyone, and fewer problems.
The Second Amendment is a resounding success. It has kept the government at bay. You anti 2A types best move to Canada.
Canada has gun rights, and far fewer murders and suicides than the US. Same thing in Australia
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