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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 12:40:48 GMT -5
I'd prefer we help ourselves by requiring every adult to carry. No one is going to be dumb enough to open fire against a mall full of armed folks. The 2A has been a great success in that it has not be necessary to change our government.
“Every” adult..... Including mentally ill sociopaths.... What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 4, 2019 13:06:46 GMT -5
Because someone cut in front of you at the movie theater entrance:
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 4, 2019 13:08:36 GMT -5
Who pays the medical bills for victims of mass shootings? The NRA should pay. From what I understand, victims are stuck paying the massive bills. Such costs include inpatient care, follow-up surgeries and other treatments, mental healthcare, rehabilitation and skilled-nursing care, durable medical equipment, personal care, and living costs while the patients are not able to work. The needs have been exacerbated by the proliferation of health plans with high deductibles and coinsurance requirements, leaving patients exposed to many thousands of dollars in cost-sharing. Severely injured patients needing repeat surgeries may hit their out-of-pocket spending limits multiple years in a row, forcing them into bankruptcy. On top of that, even insured patients may face big balance bills if they are treated by out-of-network providers www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20171227/NEWS/171229940/mass-shooting-victims-face-large-uncovered-medical-and-long-term-care-costs
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 4, 2019 13:13:01 GMT -5
Go away? Going to take away everyone who disagrees with your idea first amendment rights too? Your idea of "requiring every adult to carry" is about as crazy as giving every newborn a gun. Take a walk past a gun store, and scare yourself. No your idea is the incorrect one.
Typical conservative, think you know me. I own a gun, gun stores don't scare me. What scares me is conservatives who think we should "require every adult" to carry. And that, my dear, would be your idea.
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 4, 2019 13:28:00 GMT -5
Having every adult carry is about the most stupid idea I've heard in quite some time...and yes, this is coming from a 74 y.o. white woman who owns guns & carries from time to time & I even have a purse designed to carry a concealed weapon.
I sure don't want anyone like our now deceased neighbor carrying around me...he came on our property bragging about being a former LE officer (state & local) with a gun shoved down the front of his pants...all to complain about our dogs at that time. He was an idiot wanting an excuse to use his gun. There are others too! And the first time some untrained gun carrying nut shot into a crowd...how many more would die than just those killed by a "shooter"?
Here are some suggestions from a couple folks who also own guns but want gun control NOW!....
Assault weapons ban
Large capacity clip ban
Every gun purchase must show proof of gun safe ownership, not a gun cabinet, a gun safe
Full background check with each gun purchase, not just handguns
If I have to run my DL for sudafed you bet your sweet ass we run it for ammo
Domestic violence calls, every single weapon in the home is removed at the time of the call. Conviction means the weapons are destroyed, found innocent you can have them back
and so forth
But let's start with the easy things. Let's ban all assault type weapons and all the gear that goes with them. Let's make everyone who would own a gun register that weapon. It isn't taking away any right. It is showing responsibility for that which you own. If you fear registering your weapon, I wonder what you are hiding? Maybe you shouldn't own a weapon. Maybe you or your kin are the next shooter.
Tax ammo and all ammo making supplies. Put it in a fund for innocent victims of shootings of all types. Tax all gun sales. Regulate ALL gun sales. Those parking lot deals at gun shows have to stop.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 13:41:39 GMT -5
i get that conservatives are scared. i get that they think guns will solve their problems.
what does the Bible say about violence? he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.
we love our Bible, but throw out the best parts of it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 13:43:46 GMT -5
Having every adult carry is about the most stupid idea I've heard in quite some time...and yes, this is coming from a 74 y.o. white woman who owns guns & carries from time to time & I even have a purse designed to carry a concealed weapon. I sure don't want anyone like our now deceased neighbor carrying around me...he came on our property bragging about being a former LE officer (state & local) with a gun shoved down the front of his pants...all to complain about our dogs at that time. He was an idiot wanting an excuse to use his gun. There are others too! And the first time some untrained gun carrying nut shot into a crowd...how many more would die than just those killed by a "shooter"? Here are some suggestions from a couple folks who also own guns but want gun control NOW!.... Assault weapons ban Large capacity clip ban Every gun purchase must show proof of gun safe ownership, not a gun cabinet, a gun safe Full background check with each gun purchase, not just handguns If I have to run my DL for sudafed you bet your sweet ass we run it for ammo Domestic violence calls, every single weapon in the home is removed at the time of the call. Conviction means the weapons are destroyed, found innocent you can have them back and so forth But let's start with the easy things. Let's ban all assault type weapons and all the gear that goes with them. Let's make everyone who would own a gun register that weapon. It isn't taking away any right. It is showing responsibility for that which you own. If you fear registering your weapon, I wonder what you are hiding? Maybe you shouldn't own a weapon. Maybe you or your kin are the next shooter. Tax ammo and all ammo making supplies. Put it in a fund for innocent victims of shootings of all types. Tax all gun sales. Regulate ALL gun sales. Those parking lot deals at gun shows have to stop. i would like to see some statistics about mass shootings before and after the assault weapons ban repeal.
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Post by Bluerobin on Aug 4, 2019 13:49:30 GMT -5
Boy you anti gun libs are terrified. If you walk into a room and you know at least half the people are armed would you really be dumb enough to start shooting? I bet most of these nuts aren't that dumb.
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Post by phil5185 on Aug 4, 2019 14:01:45 GMT -5
Shotguns have been regulated by the migratory bird act since the 1930s. All shotguns are "plugged" so that they can hold only 3 shells. When a Warden checks your hunting license one of the things checked is the 3-shot capacity - if you fail that gun is confiscated. I wonder if that same regulation would work for single projectile guns? (The original reason for the 3-shot law was to control the 'market' hunters in the 1930s - they had boat-mounted guns that were capable of 'pond shooting' upwards of 100 ducks with a single shot.) Modern bird shooters choose between a 3-shot semi-auto, 3-shot pump guns, double barreled guns, and single shots.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 14:03:39 GMT -5
Boy you anti gun libs are terrified. If you walk into a room and you know at least half the people are armed would you really be dumb enough to start shooting? I bet most of these nuts aren't that dumb. they are not dumb at all. most are middle class, educated.
suicide terrorism is tactical. the sooner we understand that, the sooner this ends. but we are not even talking about the real issues, imo.
and i am not scared, for the record. i am angry. and disappointed. nor am i anti-gun. i am a gun owner.
you didn't answer any of my questions. you propose having everyone armed. so, we have a bunch of people wandering around who have never fired a weapon. what happens the instant a shooter starts firing, and everyone whips out their tool? a shower of bullets from untrained personnel, that's what. mass casualties. your idea is insane, blue. sorry, but it just is.
the last thing i want in my company is a room full half blind Americans who have never taken a day at the range competing with me when i am trying to defend myself.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 14:07:53 GMT -5
Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love... Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the white man, but to win his friendship and understanding.[6]
The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.[9]
MLK
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 4, 2019 14:09:38 GMT -5
Boy you anti gun libs are terrified. If you walk into a room and you know at least half the people are armed would you really be dumb enough to start shooting? I bet most of these nuts aren't that dumb. Speaking of dumb...... You're the one who thinks the solution to America's gun violence is more guns. THAT'S the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 4, 2019 14:26:46 GMT -5
People are already being shot over a slice of pizza, and you want more guns in the hands of idiots?
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Post by tallguy on Aug 4, 2019 14:27:16 GMT -5
Boy you anti gun libs are terrified. If you walk into a room and you know at least half the people are armed would you really be dumb enough to start shooting? I bet most of these nuts aren't that dumb. Utterly false. Most of these shooters expect to be killed. Many of them write about it. I'd bet at least half WANT to be killed. They just want to go out in a blaze of glory. "Infamous" is still "famous", and they know they will never be famous for any good reason.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 14:35:13 GMT -5
uh. ok. so, no response.
got it.
a room full of untrained shooters whipping out their weapons is madness, blue. sheer madness.
it makes Russian Roulette seem like a great idea.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 4, 2019 14:40:36 GMT -5
Boy you anti gun libs are terrified. If you walk into a room and you know at least half the people are armed would you really be dumb enough to start shooting? I bet most of these nuts aren't that dumb. Speaking of dumb...... You're the one who thinks the solution to America's gun violence is more guns. THAT'S the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yeah. The mentality of "well it's not working so let's do more of what's not working". and "let's ignore what obviously DOES work". And they call us dumb? Conservatives are the biggest cowards. They are scared of their own shadow.
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 4, 2019 15:03:33 GMT -5
Boy you anti gun libs are terrified. If you walk into a room and you know at least half the people are armed would you really be dumb enough to start shooting? I bet most of these nuts aren't that dumb. Taking a page from President Trump's book....double down!
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Post by Bluerobin on Aug 4, 2019 15:06:13 GMT -5
Boy you anti gun libs are terrified. If you walk into a room and you know at least half the people are armed would you really be dumb enough to start shooting? I bet most of these nuts aren't that dumb. Utterly false. Most of these shooters expect to be killed. Many of them write about it. I'd bet at least half WANT to be killed. They just want to go out in a blaze of glory. "Infamous" is still "famous", and they know they will never be famous for any good reason. Typical - based on YOUR feelings.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 15:11:19 GMT -5
Utterly false. Most of these shooters expect to be killed. Many of them write about it. I'd bet at least half WANT to be killed. They just want to go out in a blaze of glory. "Infamous" is still "famous", and they know they will never be famous for any good reason. Typical - based on YOUR feelings. just the opposite. you are offering your opinion, with little basis to back it up, and no defenses offered.
on the other hand, tallguy has Pape, who spent (5) years studying this matter, and reached certain conclusions which have been backed up since the publication of his book.
i would call the latter "facts". what can you present, other than YOUR "feelings" that a room full of amateurs will stop a suicidal sociopath?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 15:16:35 GMT -5
suicide terrorists ALL have some things in common. including the white nationalist kind.
then there are people who are genuinely crazy. but they are a separate category.
to treat them as if they are the same group is wrong.
it also explains why we feel helpless in the face of this problem.
but it does, in fact, have a solution.
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Post by Bluerobin on Aug 4, 2019 15:44:06 GMT -5
All this drivel because the libs cannot comprehend the original premise of the thread. Yes, the 2 A has worked and has nothing to do with the rest of the drivel.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 4, 2019 15:45:03 GMT -5
Too dumb to read and comprehend! Shame, shame! ROTFLMAO! A war of words between Tall and Bluerobin? It's a like a debate between Pete Buttigieg, a Rhodes scholar, and Homer Simpson.
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 4, 2019 16:00:14 GMT -5
Boy you anti gun libs are terrified. If you walk into a room and you know at least half the people are armed would you really be dumb enough to start shooting? I bet most of these nuts aren't that dumb. I don't know who you think is terrified. If you have read my posts...I shoot! We have gunS! I have my .357 that I carry in my vehicle....don't mess with me, I'm not afraid to use it to protect myself...but I don't want every yahoo out there carrying...that is really dumb! And if everyone carried, that would just mean more dead cause even those who practice & carry all the time aren't that good of shots when in a stressful situation. We just had a LE guy shoot himself in the last week or so....in the leg...dumb handling of his weapon!
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 4, 2019 16:07:59 GMT -5
Ooooh, such a clever riposte. Don't quit your day job. I haven't found it necessary to work for over 15 years. There are better ways.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 23:30:23 GMT -5
All this drivel because the libs cannot comprehend the original premise of the thread. Yes, the 2 A has worked and has nothing to do with the rest of the drivel. I know Tenn very well, and I am sure I know precisely what the OP means.
what do YOU think the original premise is?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 23:32:23 GMT -5
Ooooh, such a clever riposte. Don't quit your day job. I haven't found it necessary to work for over 15 years. There are better ways. indeed there are.
sugar baby?
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 4, 2019 23:52:29 GMT -5
I was between two guys yelling at each other - I have a mouth, I can yell, but I didn't. I saw two people throwing punches at one another, and I have fists, but I didn't start hitting anyone. I called the cops. If I saw two people about to shoot each other, even if I had a gun, I wouldn't start shooting.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 5, 2019 1:06:41 GMT -5
Too dumb to read and comprehend! Shame, shame! ROTFLMAO! A war of words between Tall and Bluerobin? It's a like a debate between Pete Buttigieg, a Rhodes scholar, and Homer Simpson. I'll let others speak for my contributions here, but who can forget Bluerobin's? Any long-time EE reader will recall that most of his posts referenced a made-up world of Tony Bennett and the Boom-Boom Room, "ballerinas", "barn boys", and flying beds. Not even Homer Simpson would be that bad.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2019 1:13:36 GMT -5
I was between two guys yelling at each other - I have a mouth, I can yell, but I didn't. I saw two people throwing punches at one another, and I have fists, but I didn't start hitting anyone. I called the cops. If I saw two people about to shoot each other, even if I had a gun, I wouldn't start shooting. this is not about two people. this is about one person attempting to inflict maximum damage.
so, really, it is between you and the shooter. and yeah, if I have a gun, I shoot that bastard. the problem is, that if I am a lousy shot, I might accidentally kill some innocent bystander. OR, in the confusion, I might mistake someone who pulled their gun for the shooter.
adding more guns to a gunfight, especially with people who have no tactical training, is an incredibly bad idea, imo. the last thing I need is a bunch of f(*king amateurs messing up a defensible situation, if there is one.
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