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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 21, 2019 17:46:19 GMT -5
Tennesseer This is where we differ in opinions. I believe it will be Pres. Obama that will go down as the worst and most damaging USA president in history. Bless your heart.
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Post by Great on Jul 21, 2019 17:49:18 GMT -5
Tennesseer This is where we differ in opinions. I believe it will be Pres. Obama that will go down as the worst and most damaging USA president in history. Bless your heart. Thank you! And Bless your heart too!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 21, 2019 17:50:20 GMT -5
Thank you! And Bless your heart too! Seriously. You post an article from a conspiracy theorist. LOL.
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Post by dondub on Jul 21, 2019 17:57:28 GMT -5
Tennesseer This is where we differ in opinions. I believe it will be Pres. Obama that will go down as the worst and most damaging USA president in history. Please offer up some reasons to back this opinion up.
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Post by dondub on Jul 21, 2019 17:59:51 GMT -5
The article in the OP is an opinion, unethical, and unofficial speculation reading more like a political attack. I find it shocking that a psychiatrist, Lance Dodes, would publicly discuss the mental health of a patient and a public figure clearly violating the Goldwater Rule. The Goldwater Rule The Goldwater rule is the informal name given to section 7 in the American Psychiatric Association's (APA) Principles of Medical Ethics,[1] which states that it is unethical for psychiatrists to give a professional opinion about public figures whom they have not examined in person, and from whom they have not obtained consent to discuss their mental health in public statements. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwater_rule Here is my opinion which is ethical and official:
Trump is a complete narcissist with delusions of grandeur. Sociopath may not be a strong enough word to describe him.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 21, 2019 18:07:30 GMT -5
... I believe it will be Pres. Obama that will go down as the worst and most damaging USA president in history. That will be determined by who is allowed to write history. If Donald Trump is reelected, I think you just might be correct that history will be written that way. At least in this country in the short run. How future countries write of the history of the United States would be interesting if one is still around.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 21, 2019 18:20:47 GMT -5
Tennesseer This is where we differ in opinions. I believe it will be Pres. Obama that will go down as the worst and most damaging USA president in history. Not a chance.
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Post by dondub on Jul 21, 2019 18:22:39 GMT -5
Not even a remote possibility that Obama will go down as the worst president ever but still interested in Great supplying some cogent reasoning thetein.
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Post by Great on Jul 21, 2019 18:24:59 GMT -5
Thank you! And Bless your heart too! Seriously. You post an article from a conspiracy theorist. LOL. Seriously. I'm not sure if I see any big differences between a conspiracy theorist and a Harvard Professor, Lance Dode, offering a psychiatric diagnosis on a political figure, Pres. Trump, that he has never examined in person, or been a patient of his.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 21, 2019 19:09:22 GMT -5
Seriously. You post an article from a conspiracy theorist. LOL. Seriously. I'm not sure if I see any big differences between a conspiracy theorist and a Harvard Professor, Lance Dode, offering a psychiatric diagnosis on a political figure, Pres. Trump, that he has never examined in person, or been a patient of his. Donald Trump has put himself out in the public eye for decades. There are thousands of hours of video, thousands of news reports, and thousands of quotes showing exactly who he is. It is no secret. His thoughts and behavior are well-chronicled. It is all there, warts and all, well, more warts. He even brags about it. There are probably ten million people in this country who could accurately diagnose him at this point. The most charitable description one can imagine for this is "laughable." Anyone who thinks of Obama as either bad or damaging is far beyond any concept of thoughtful or reasonable. If conservatives had not made a headlong rush to the far fringe in the last couple of decades they would recognize Obama as a moderate conservative from 30-40 years ago. Bill Clinton also, by the way, governed as a moderate conservative. It is easy to find articles confirming this opinion. Here is the summary from just one.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 21, 2019 19:19:05 GMT -5
Seriously. You post an article from a conspiracy theorist. LOL. Seriously. I'm not sure if I see any big differences between a conspiracy theorist and a Harvard Professor, Lance Dode, offering a psychiatric diagnosis on a political figure, Pres. Trump, that he has never examined in person, or been a patient of his. One is a psychiatrist the other is a conspiracy pusher. One has attended years of medical school to become a doctor in the field of mental health. How much medical school education and training does the conspiracy pusher have? You may be perfectly okay with a plumber performing your colonoscopy but I will go to a gastroenterologist.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 21, 2019 19:25:43 GMT -5
There is no question to any of us that trump is F'd up, and has some mental issues. I should point out though that it is considered unethical for pych doctors to make diagnoses without meeting and personally assessing the patient. From the link in the opening post:
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 21, 2019 19:26:50 GMT -5
Article from a psychology journal considering whether or not the Goldwater Rule should still apply. Their conclusion: journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1745691617727864 We conclude that although the Goldwater Rule may have been defensible several decades ago, it is outdated and premised on dubious scientific assumptions. We further contend that there are select cases in which psychological scientists with suitable expertise may harbor a “duty to inform,” allowing them to offer informed opinions concerning public figures’ mental health with appropriate caveats.
Essentially, "duty to inform" when the country is endangered by an mentally ill POTUS > following the Goldwater Rule.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2019 13:42:05 GMT -5
NPD and sociopathy are fairly compatible.
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