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Post by haapai on Jul 2, 2019 17:09:37 GMT -5
I've finally gotten around to painting my kitchen and I'm running out of vacation. I need to get the kitchen walls primed and painted and I'm not sure if washing them multiple times has sufficiently de-greased them. I live with someone who cannot start the day without frying up something that was once an animal.
Do you think that two coats of KILZ primer and two coats of KILZ flat latex will stand up to what multiple applications of all-purpose cleaners have left behind? I really don't want to go the TSP route and I've heard folks rave about what these products can do. Can you refresh my memory?
Or deliver a stern lecture on doing it right?
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Post by justme on Jul 2, 2019 17:22:40 GMT -5
Why don't you get some of those stick on back splashes?
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Post by haapai on Jul 2, 2019 18:02:13 GMT -5
Why don't you get some of those stick on back splashes? Bless your heart, you must be under the impression that the grease is confined to the splatter-zone.
It isn't. Every vertical surface of my kitchen and much of my living room is coated with scrubbie-filling amounts of grease. On the other hand, the ceiling and walls, with the exception of those in closest proximity to the stove, aren't that bad. When the grease doesn't have a good place to land, it appears to land less.
I've heard landlords sing the praises of KILZ in the past but can't remember the details. I seem to remember that it is great on mold and water spots but I can't remember what was said about grease.
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Post by justme on Jul 2, 2019 18:21:12 GMT -5
Oh, yikes. 😳 That's a lot of grease!
I'd buy like 10 of those splatter screens and hang one up every 10 inches lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 18:37:28 GMT -5
Dawn dish soap kills the grease.
Zinsser BIN is great for covering things, but it's expensive.
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Post by haapai on Jul 2, 2019 19:53:46 GMT -5
FWIW, I'll second the Dawn. That stuff, applied directly from the bottle, cuts through grease that overwhelms all-purpose cleaners, Pine-Sol, and specialized de-greasing products. Moping it up and then rinsing off the area is a PITA, but it cuts through grime that you might be tempted to attack with more specialized products at a fraction of the price and vinyl gloves are not necessary.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 2, 2019 20:15:30 GMT -5
KILZ is amazing for covering crap, but you're still going to have the ongoing problem of further grease application as long as he's continuing to fry up whatever every morning.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jul 2, 2019 20:24:40 GMT -5
It has been eons since I used Kilz but unless they have made it odorless that stuff made me sick to my stomach and I had to leave the house. But I also have a heightened sense of smell so it might have been just me. Guess that wasn't any help at all just but something to consider.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jul 2, 2019 20:30:27 GMT -5
It's been a decade since I've used KILZ. We used it outside on our porch after accidentally setting the porch on fire. I seriously just drove past that house today, and the wood looks like it's still what was there when I moved out in 2010. It definitely worked well to prime the scorched portions of the siding, moulding, and porch rails. However, I haven't any idea how well it would allow an every day scrubbing.
We also cook daily, and I just go through a lot of 409 spray.
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Post by haapai on Jul 2, 2019 20:46:27 GMT -5
It has been eons since I used Kilz but unless they have made it odorless that stuff made me sick to my stomach and I had to leave the house. But I also have a heightened sense of smell so it might have been just me. Guess that wasn't any help at all just but something to consider. You have nothing to be ashamed of, in fact you might have just explained to me why I was so damn unproductive today. I primed the ceiling yesterday and left the brush and roller in a pail of water overnight. I woke up to a strong odor and spent a good chunk of the day trying to find excuses to be outside.
The odor of KILZ products doesn't particularly alarm me. I've worked with much more foul-smelling and caustic products, some of which are no longer sold in this country. On the other hand, the odor definitely sets your feet on a course away from the source of the odor without your brain being involved in any way. You ain't afraid of the product, but for some damn reason, your feet just keep getting pointed on course away from it.
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Post by haapai on Jul 2, 2019 21:36:35 GMT -5
KILZ is amazing for covering crap, but you're still going to have the ongoing problem of further grease application as long as he's continuing to fry up whatever every morning. The dude's diet is his problem. He's been frying up meat and two eggs (for himself) pretty much every morning since the morning that I woke up next to him 25 years ago. It would take a damn miracle for him to survive on this diet for another 25 years, and a minor miracle for him to change it.
I'll cheerfully repair the damage to the walls as long as he is cooking for himself and paying rent but I'll be damned if I'll be bringing bacon and eggs to his bedside after this diet has incapacitated him. He'll be lucky if I cook him oatmeal. It's quite likely that I'll be bringing him yogurt with either granola or fruit as garnish instead.
Meanwhile, I want tidy walls in my kitchen. A crisper kitchen make make the prospect of consuming breakfasts of yogurt and fruit much more attractive. I want to know how KILZ adheres to grease and stands up to it, preferably by 9 AM ET tomorrow, when I am planning on priming the walls.
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Post by resolution on Jul 2, 2019 21:38:42 GMT -5
I am not familiar with KILZ. When I rented out my house, the property manager had the kitchen painted in semi gloss rather than flat, because she said the semi gloss was easier to clean.
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Post by haapai on Jul 2, 2019 22:02:13 GMT -5
I am not familiar with KILZ. When I rented out my house, the property manager had the kitchen painted in semi gloss rather than flat, because she said the semi gloss was easier to clean. I've definitely heard similar recommendations. I'm going with flat because I already have it and because throwing semi-gloss on top of flat is easy. Some basic sanding and one coat of primer should get the walls smooth enough and the paint rough enough to accept two coats of semi-gloss. The converse is not true. It would take some serious sanding and TSP etching to get semi-gloss to flat to look nearly as good. Currently, my walls are not well-primed or smoothed and flat will be more forgiving than semi-gloss. If the flat doesn't hold up to wear, throwing on another coat of flat will probably be easier than prepping the existing walls to accept semi-gloss.
Or maybe I'm just lying about how much I love the forgiving nature of flat paint. I didn't do a very good job on the ceiling today. I'm sure that it would look like hell if I had used semi-gloss. I want something similarly forgiving on my walls. Ergo, no gloss or semi-gloss until I master prepping for paint.
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Post by Sharon on Jul 2, 2019 22:28:43 GMT -5
I have only used KILZ for odor blocking and it did a very good job. I had some old carpeting taken out when animals had peed, so I painted the flooring below before installing new carpet, blocked the odor just fine. As far as paint my kitchen and dining area are one large area. Sorta open concept except is a 70's ranch house so there are upper cupboards dividing the room. The walls in both areas are painted the same color with an eggshell finish. However; the dining walls are painted with latex paint and the kitchen walls are painted with an oil based paint. The oil based paint is a pain in the rear to work with but it sure is scrubable. The kitchen cabinets are also painted with oil based paint. I hated cleaning the brushes with paint thinner and dealing with all that but the end result is sure worth it. Be sure and give your self plenty of time to let it really dry in the cupboards. I gave myself 5 full days to allow it be completely dry before putting things back into the cupboard.
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Post by tskeeter on Jul 2, 2019 22:36:36 GMT -5
Haapai, I’m wondering what, if anything, you have for an exhaust hood? A good hood should help control the flow of grease laden air, so the grease doesn’t settle all over the house.
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Post by tskeeter on Jul 2, 2019 22:48:25 GMT -5
Basic KILZ is shellac with white coloring added. Since alcohol is the solvent in the product, KILZ dries very quickly.
Shellac is great for a number of things. One of the common uses is to seal in odors and stains. Water stains, the smoke odor from a fire, and the like. Shellac is also a great buffer layer between finishing materials that are incompatible with each other. Shellac is compatible with most finishing products, so it acts like a layer of glue between products that won’t normally stick to each other.
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Post by haapai on Jul 2, 2019 23:14:23 GMT -5
Haapai, I’m wondering what, if anything, you have for an exhaust hood? A good hood should help control the flow of grease laden air, so the grease doesn’t settle all over the house. Answering that question might involve either hiring someone to answer it or cracking open the 18" by 18" slab that separates my living space from the dust and fiberglass-filled space that is closer to my roof. What I am trying to say here is that I do not have an attic and I dislike exploring my above-ceiling very much.
The odds are good that any ventilation hood in my kitchen does not actually vent. The hood my have been installed as a completely cosmetic matter or the ventilation that once existed may have become blocked. I've been above my ceiling and there are at least two different, indifferently installed insulation systems in place there and they don't add up to R-36 or anything close to it.
I might be better off painting over grease than directing it to my insulation-filled but questionably vented ceiling space. I can't even imagine how much grease could build up in the insulation right under my kitchen without me being aware of it or how hot it would burn if it ever ignited.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jul 3, 2019 6:54:11 GMT -5
I did forget to add why I was using KILZ for so here goes. I bought a townhouse that had been built/decorated in 1987. I bought it in 1996. The kitchen/half bath and back room were covered in 80's ugly wall paper. I gave a small test run at removing the wall paper and hate to admit that it was more than I wanted to undertake or mess with.
I headed to HD and asked them what was easiest way to get wall paper off. Gentleman asked me a few "pertinent" questions and suggested that I "prime" with KILZ and just paint over the paper rather than remove.
I decided to go with his idea and it worked like a charm except for the smell. I lived there for 10 yrs and never had problem with paper peeling off and had a beautiful paint job. And got rid of the 80's ugly stuff!!
Bottom line - what tskeeter said about it's use. That is what prompted me to say why I was using it.
Oh, and if your "vent" isn't vented all the way out of the house I think it's useless for the most part except trapping a minimum of gook. Every house we built the oven vent went all the way thru to the roof. But built/designed every house we lived in (Married life) so we took care of stuff like that.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 3, 2019 7:07:29 GMT -5
KILZ is amazing for covering crap, but you're still going to have the ongoing problem of further grease application as long as he's continuing to fry up whatever every morning. The dude's diet is his problem. He's been frying up meat and two eggs (for himself) pretty much every morning since the morning that I woke up next to him 25 years ago. It would take a damn miracle for him to survive on this diet for another 25 years, and a minor miracle for him to change it.
I'll cheerfully repair the damage to the walls as long as he is cooking for himself and paying rent but I'll be damned if I'll be bringing bacon and eggs to his bedside after this diet has incapacitated him. He'll be lucky if I cook him oatmeal. It's quite likely that I'll be bringing him yogurt with either granola or fruit as garnish instead.
Meanwhile, I want tidy walls in my kitchen. A crisper kitchen make make the prospect of consuming breakfasts of yogurt and fruit much more attractive. I want to know how KILZ adheres to grease and stands up to it, preferably by 9 AM ET tomorrow, when I am planning on priming the walls.
I've only used Kilz to prime over a dark or bright color prior to painting with a new one - it's great for that. For grease removal I always just 409'd it and scrubbed, then waited for it to dry.
Can you retrain your carnivore to cook his animal products under one of those mesh splatter screens? They help significantly in keeping the grease off the surroundings.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jul 3, 2019 7:24:25 GMT -5
The dude's diet is his problem. He's been frying up meat and two eggs (for himself) pretty much every morning since the morning that I woke up next to him 25 years ago. It would take a damn miracle for him to survive on this diet for another 25 years, and a minor miracle for him to change it.
I'll cheerfully repair the damage to the walls as long as he is cooking for himself and paying rent but I'll be damned if I'll be bringing bacon and eggs to his bedside after this diet has incapacitated him. He'll be lucky if I cook him oatmeal. It's quite likely that I'll be bringing him yogurt with either granola or fruit as garnish instead.
Meanwhile, I want tidy walls in my kitchen. A crisper kitchen make make the prospect of consuming breakfasts of yogurt and fruit much more attractive. I want to know how KILZ adheres to grease and stands up to it, preferably by 9 AM ET tomorrow, when I am planning on priming the walls.
I've only used Kilz to prime over a dark or bright color prior to painting with a new one - it's great for that. For grease removal I always just 409'd it and scrubbed, then waited for it to dry.
Can you retrain your carnivore to cook his animal products under one of those mesh splatter screens? They help significantly in keeping the grease off the surroundings.
Or learn to fire up an outdoor grill and have a fryer pot/skillet for grill only. Do those fry daddy's come with a lid? Not any help where kitchen is involved since don't fry - that's what restaurants are for
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Post by WholeLottaNothin on Jul 3, 2019 7:56:57 GMT -5
I don't want to hijack the thread, but does anyone know the best way to paint a bathroom ceiling? And which kind of paint is best? The ceiling is textured. Not popcorn ceiling, but kind of swirly things. The house was built in the 50's.
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Post by Bonny on Jul 3, 2019 9:39:23 GMT -5
I am not familiar with KILZ. When I rented out my house, the property manager had the kitchen painted in semi gloss rather than flat, because she said the semi gloss was easier to clean. I've definitely heard similar recommendations. I'm going with flat because I already have it and because throwing semi-gloss on top of flat is easy. Some basic sanding and one coat of primer should get the walls smooth enough and the paint rough enough to accept two coats of semi-gloss. The converse is not true. It would take some serious sanding and TSP etching to get semi-gloss to flat to look nearly as good. Currently, my walls are not well-primed or smoothed and flat will be more forgiving than semi-gloss. If the flat doesn't hold up to wear, throwing on another coat of flat will probably be easier than prepping the existing walls to accept semi-gloss.
Or maybe I'm just lying about how much I love the forgiving nature of flat paint. I didn't do a very good job on the ceiling today. I'm sure that it would look like hell if I had used semi-gloss. I want something similarly forgiving on my walls. Ergo, no gloss or semi-gloss until I master prepping for paint.
Kilz as the undercoat, 2 coats of semi-gloss is the way to go.
Anything else is a waste of time. Your time is worth more than a bucket of paint. FWIW if you're near a Home Depot they typically have a paint rebate sale around the 4th of July.
Good luck!
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Post by Tiny on Jul 3, 2019 10:28:31 GMT -5
USE VENTILATION!!! ALOT OF IT!!! KILZ (or any of the other brands like it I think there's something called Zizzner or something like that.) work great. I would make sure you have alot of ventilation - open windows and fans going when you use it. (I had to "kilz" my bathroom walls because the Flamingo Pink high gloss paint I was trying to cover kept bleeding thru the primer/main coat of paint. I had an open window - but the fumes from the Kilz still messed with my "mind" - about 40 minutes into applying the first (and only) coat of KILZ I remember stepping down off the ladder I was using and thinking "omg! the floor is squishy! OMG! what's wrong! OMG I don't feel so well.... yeah, time to go sit outside for a while. " I recently used KILZ to hopefully seal a water damaged ceiling. The damage happened decades ago before I bought the house- but it's the gift that keeps giving... I optimistically painted over it when I bought the house but it eventually caused the paint to re-peel. And then years later, I thought "this time it won't peel!" and repainted over it. Yeah, it peeled. This time I did it right and correctly repaired the ancient water damage - KILZ'd it.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jul 3, 2019 10:32:08 GMT -5
USE VENTILATION!!! ALOT OF IT!!!
KILZ (or any of the other brands like it I think there's something called Zizzner or something like that.) work great. I would make sure you have alot of ventilation - open windows and fans going when you use it. (I had to "kilz" my bathroom walls because the Flamingo Pink high gloss paint I was trying to cover kept bleeding thru the primer/main coat of paint. I had an open window - but the fumes from the Kilz still messed with my "mind" - about 40 minutes into applying the first (and only) coat of KILZ I remember stepping down off the ladder I was using and thinking "omg! the floor is squishy! OMG! what's wrong! OMG I don't feel so well.... yeah, time to go sit outside for a while. " I recently used KILZ to hopefully seal a water damaged ceiling. The damage happened decades ago before I bought the house- but it's the gift that keeps giving... I optimistically painted over it when I bought the house but it eventually caused the paint to re-peel. And then years later, I thought "this time it won't peel!" and repainted over it. Yeah, it peeled. This time I did it right and correctly repaired the ancient water damage - KILZ'd it. I did all that and then spent the night with friend. Came back during day and opened up house and left till close to dark to close up house and spent another night with friend. I think they call it KILZ for a reason
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Post by Tiny on Jul 3, 2019 10:36:05 GMT -5
Haapai, I’m wondering what, if anything, you have for an exhaust hood? A good hood should help control the flow of grease laden air, so the grease doesn’t settle all over the house. Answering that question might involve either hiring someone to answer it or cracking open the 18" by 18" slab that separates my living space from the dust and fiberglass-filled space that is closer to my roof. What I am trying to say here is that I do not have an attic and I dislike exploring my above-ceiling very much.
The odds are good that any ventilation hood in my kitchen does not actually vent. The hood my have been installed as a completely cosmetic matter or the ventilation that once existed may have become blocked. I've been above my ceiling and there are at least two different, indifferently installed insulation systems in place there and they don't add up to R-36 or anything close to it.
I might be better off painting over grease than directing it to my insulation-filled but questionably vented ceiling space. I can't even imagine how much grease could build up in the insulation right under my kitchen without me being aware of it or how hot it would burn if it ever ignited.
Haapai - I wouldn't discount getting a working exhaust hood.... A correctly installed hood would NOT vent into your attic... When the kitchen was remodeled (a mostly DIY) we installed a hood over the stove and vented it out thru the roof. The "Little House" has next to no attic space. I wasn't directly involved with this part of the DIY remodel - but the Kitchen exhaust fan and the bathroom exhaust fan being added to the house were contracted out. Since we were messing with the roof - we did all of this work BEFORE the new roof was installed. A new roof isn't necessary - but since it was scheduled to get replaced it made sense to do the new vents (and a couple of other things) before the new roof. If you have a list of "remodels/repairs" I'd add the exhaust hood to the list and maybe weight it more to doing sooner than later - you would get ALOT of value out of it (as you would be using it constantly).
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Post by haapai on Jul 3, 2019 13:02:00 GMT -5
I don't want to hijack the thread, but does anyone know the best way to paint a bathroom ceiling? And which kind of paint is best? The ceiling is textured. Not popcorn ceiling, but kind of swirly things. The house was built in the 50's. Please hijack it. I'm planning on tackling the bathroom next.
Flat ceiling though. I suspect that it is also plywood. I'm kinda afraid to find out.
Good luck with your textured ceiling though. I've got that crap in my living room and it isn't even on the list of projects. It looks spiky enough to require spray-painting. My heirs can hire someone to deal with it after I die.
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Post by tskeeter on Jul 3, 2019 18:29:16 GMT -5
I don't want to hijack the thread, but does anyone know the best way to paint a bathroom ceiling? And which kind of paint is best? The ceiling is textured. Not popcorn ceiling, but kind of swirly things. The house was built in the 50's. Your swirlies are a brush finish that was applied to wet plaster. If you want to make your swirlies go away, you need to apply a skim coat of plaster/drywall mud to the ceiling. Then prime and paint.
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Post by tskeeter on Jul 3, 2019 18:33:05 GMT -5
USE VENTILATION!!! ALOT OF IT!!! KILZ (or any of the other brands like it I think there's something called Zizzner or something like that.) work great. I would make sure you have alot of ventilation - open windows and fans going when you use it. (I had to "kilz" my bathroom walls because the Flamingo Pink high gloss paint I was trying to cover kept bleeding thru the primer/main coat of paint. I had an open window - but the fumes from the Kilz still messed with my "mind" - about 40 minutes into applying the first (and only) coat of KILZ I remember stepping down off the ladder I was using and thinking "omg! the floor is squishy! OMG! what's wrong! OMG I don't feel so well.... yeah, time to go sit outside for a while. " I recently used KILZ to hopefully seal a water damaged ceiling. The damage happened decades ago before I bought the house- but it's the gift that keeps giving... I optimistically painted over it when I bought the house but it eventually caused the paint to re-peel. And then years later, I thought "this time it won't peel!" and repainted over it. Yeah, it peeled. This time I did it right and correctly repaired the ancient water damage - KILZ'd it. Since you’re getting repeated peeling, I think your old leak is still leaking a little bit. If stuff had dried out over the decades, paint would stick and stay stuck.
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Post by tskeeter on Jul 3, 2019 18:38:23 GMT -5
Answering that question might involve either hiring someone to answer it or cracking open the 18" by 18" slab that separates my living space from the dust and fiberglass-filled space that is closer to my roof. What I am trying to say here is that I do not have an attic and I dislike exploring my above-ceiling very much.
The odds are good that any ventilation hood in my kitchen does not actually vent. The hood my have been installed as a completely cosmetic matter or the ventilation that once existed may have become blocked. I've been above my ceiling and there are at least two different, indifferently installed insulation systems in place there and they don't add up to R-36 or anything close to it.
I might be better off painting over grease than directing it to my insulation-filled but questionably vented ceiling space. I can't even imagine how much grease could build up in the insulation right under my kitchen without me being aware of it or how hot it would burn if it ever ignited.
Haapai - I wouldn't discount getting a working exhaust hood.... A correctly installed hood would NOT vent into your attic... When the kitchen was remodeled (a mostly DIY) we installed a hood over the stove and vented it out thru the roof. The "Little House" has next to no attic space. I wasn't directly involved with this part of the DIY remodel - but the Kitchen exhaust fan and the bathroom exhaust fan being added to the house were contracted out. Since we were messing with the roof - we did all of this work BEFORE the new roof was installed. A new roof isn't necessary - but since it was scheduled to get replaced it made sense to do the new vents (and a couple of other things) before the new roof. If you have a list of "remodels/repairs" I'd add the exhaust hood to the list and maybe weight it more to doing sooner than later - you would get ALOT of value out of it (as you would be using it constantly). Haapai, “vent hoods” don’t have to vent through the roof. They can vent through a wall. And down draft style vents can go through a floor and out through a basement or crawl space. Even a recirculating hood with grease filters would help reduce the grease accumulation you are experiencing on surfaces in your house.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Jul 4, 2019 8:02:24 GMT -5
I have a no frying rule in my house. I did break it a couple of times and paid for it with splatters. My GF used to fry onions to caramelize them and fried other stuff. She bought and lit a vanilla candle that is made to absorb odors. It's not just any vanilla candle. I'm sorry I don't remember the brand. Cookware places might have them.
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