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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 28, 2019 23:05:08 GMT -5
Interesting survey conducted by Public Religion Research Institute. There is no intro to the survey findings and it begins with the results, therefore I will just post the link. Survey results are between 2014 and 2019. Survey methodology is at the end of the article. Increasing Support for Religiously Based Service Refusals
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Post by justme on Jun 28, 2019 23:13:50 GMT -5
Seems odd. Only thing that strikes me is that the before is a year before gay marriage was made legal. Part of me thinks that could explain it. Though most of me says fuck that shit. Too late and too much wine to properly look into the source.
But frankly I think a lot never think about what if they're cut out from it. What if a gay or non religious person refuses to serve religious people? They'd likely be outraged.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 28, 2019 23:18:40 GMT -5
Seems odd. Only thing that strikes me is that the before is a year before gay marriage was made legal. Part of me thinks that could explain it. Though most of me says fuck that shit. Too late and too much wine to properly look into the source. But frankly I think a lot never think about what if they're cut out from it. What if a gay or non religious person refuses to serve religious people? They'd likely be outraged. Other biases in that article too like nothing serving Jewish people.
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Post by justme on Jun 28, 2019 23:26:31 GMT -5
Seems odd. Only thing that strikes me is that the before is a year before gay marriage was made legal. Part of me thinks that could explain it. Though most of me says fuck that shit. Too late and too much wine to properly look into the source. But frankly I think a lot never think about what if they're cut out from it. What if a gay or non religious person refuses to serve religious people? They'd likely be outraged. Other biases in that article too like nothing serving Jewish people. Damn. 1) that makes it worse and glad I didn't let it harsh my buzz Haha and 2) I'm so over fucking religion. It had a role before modern science explained a lot of things but now it's mostly become a reason to make you better than someone else. With the caveat I have no problem with religion if people aren't making law based on it.
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Post by resolution on Jun 29, 2019 5:05:17 GMT -5
This is crazy! How can so many people use religion to justify not serving african americans? And how can it be going up? I would like to see the survey questions, because this seems really off.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 29, 2019 9:39:23 GMT -5
This is crazy! How can so many people use religion to justify not serving african americans? And how can it be going up? I would like to see the survey questions, because this seems really off. The question posed is in the graph you posted (and all the other charts), right after 'Percent who say:'. And I would imagine the choice of answer those surveyed could choose from is simply 'Yes' or 'No'.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 29, 2019 10:29:50 GMT -5
I find it significant that they appear not to include refusing to serve whites nor Christians.
EDIT: should include straight also
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Post by teen persuasion on Jun 29, 2019 12:55:38 GMT -5
What is the significance of oversampling Texas residents?
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 29, 2019 15:32:08 GMT -5
What is the significance of oversampling Texas residents? They claim to assist for that statistically but it also seems to me that it could decrease the sale size, thus increasing the margin of error.
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Post by Tiny on Jun 29, 2019 20:59:05 GMT -5
I gotta wonder how a religious business owner is gonna confirm that the ok looking white guy isn't actually an adulterer or thief or isn't shitty to his parents... (assuming the 10 commandents are part of their "religious beliefs" and that people should adhere to them...)
The whole thing isn't about someone 'violating' one's religious beliefs... It's about picking and choosing and using one's "religious belief" as an excuse to discriminate against and/or dehumanize other human beings. If it was about religious belief.. then why aren't business owners asking for proof that each and every customer meets the total and complete requirements of their religious beliefs?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 30, 2019 8:35:31 GMT -5
Time for the satanists to open a business and start refusing service to heterosexual white Christians.
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Post by resolution on Jun 30, 2019 8:48:53 GMT -5
I don't see how it can be related to religious beliefs at all, considering they have African Americans in there. I can see someone trying to justify it for gays/trans by saying its behavior or for other religions by objecting to something practiced by those religions, but the African Americans aren't a behavior or a religious practice, they want to refuse them service for simply existing.
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Post by oped on Jun 30, 2019 9:31:42 GMT -5
Slavery and anti interracial marriage stances were both supported by people spouting bible verses... people frequently create god in their own image.
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Post by Tiny on Jun 30, 2019 9:41:35 GMT -5
Time for the satanists to open a business and start refusing service to heterosexual white Christians. Maybe it's time to ask store owner's to put up signs about who they discriminate against -- beyond the no shirts, no shoes, no service and no guns signs. And those signs about not accepting credit cards for purchases less than $10. Maybe they could ask to see driver lisences (to see if the customer is a US citizen) or Passports/birth certificates. Maybe churches could start handing out IDs so you can prove you believe in God and are in good standing. Maybe doctor's could hand out IDs to certify a girls/womans virginity. And maybe they could certify that wives have ONLY had sex with one guy - their husband. I think that's a way better to do it.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 30, 2019 10:00:07 GMT -5
OK , let's turn this around Should I as a white businessman, be able to sue, some one that does not do business with me,
But will do business with someone of their own race, or,,,,,, Let's say there was a gay couple that was doing business with me ,
Now do business with the Gay couple down the street, when I had provide for all of their needs, done nothing to lose their business? If you tell me that a person has the Right to do business with whom ever they please,.......................
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Post by oped on Jun 30, 2019 10:03:46 GMT -5
OK , let's turn this around Should I as a white businessman, be able to sue, some one that does not do business with me,
But will do business with someone of their own race, or,,,,,, Let's say there was a gay couple that was doing business with me ,
Now do business with the Gay couple down the street, when I had provide for all of their needs, done nothing to lose their business? If you tell me that a person has the Right to do business with whom ever they please,.......................
I’m confused. Are they specifically refusing you service because you are white or straight?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 30, 2019 10:11:04 GMT -5
Maybe they don't like old white men, we see plenty of negative posts here about Old White Men.
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Post by oped on Jun 30, 2019 10:19:09 GMT -5
Maybe they don't like old white men, we see plenty of negative posts here about Old White Men. But did they specifically look at you and say ‘sorry we don’t serve old white men’...
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 30, 2019 10:27:19 GMT -5
Well it could be like one of the Koreans that I have done work for, The Wife told me in a very racist tone, We will have one of our "Korean" friend fix it. I said OK left,,,,,,,,,,,,,, By the way the "Korean" friend could not fix it,
Her husband then had to lose face call me back to fix it. Yea, I know, old white men can never be discriminated against.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 30, 2019 11:14:16 GMT -5
OK , let's turn this around Should I as a white businessman, be able to sue, some one that does not do business with me,
But will do business with someone of their own race, or,,,,,, Let's say there was a gay couple that was doing business with me ,
Now do business with the Gay couple down the street, when I had provide for all of their needs, done nothing to lose their business? If you tell me that a person has the Right to do business with whom ever they please,.......................
Are you doing business as an individual or are you doing business as a corporation?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 1, 2019 0:55:44 GMT -5
Maybe they don't like old white men, we see plenty of negative posts here about Old White Men. you can't be refused service for being an old white man, provided that it is a necessary service or good you are being denied. at least one of those classes is protected, and in most states, both are.
edit: i should also add housing and employment to that list. you can't be denied those, either.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 1, 2019 0:56:53 GMT -5
Well it could be like one of the Koreans that I have done work for, The Wife told me in a very racist tone, We will have one of our "Korean" friend fix it. I said OK left,,,,,,,,,,,,,, By the way the "Korean" friend could not fix it,
Her husband then had to lose face call me back to fix it. Yea, I know, old white men can never be discriminated against.
completely false.
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Post by travelingdeb on Jul 1, 2019 11:53:31 GMT -5
I would love to see a situation where a Buddhist is working for the county and refuses to issue gun permits due to their religious beliefs of never killing or harming any living being. Would that fly?
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Post by swamp on Jul 1, 2019 12:45:50 GMT -5
Time for the satanists to open a business and start refusing service to heterosexual white Christians. i have a new business plan.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 1, 2019 12:52:15 GMT -5
I would love to see a situation where a Buddhist is working for the county and refuses to issue gun permits due to their religious beliefs of never killing or harming any living being. Would that fly? Of course not! Religious expression and freedom only extends to Christians.
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Post by justme on Jul 1, 2019 13:09:58 GMT -5
I would love to see a situation where a Buddhist is working for the county and refuses to issue gun permits due to their religious beliefs of never killing or harming any living being. Would that fly? Of course not! Religious expression and freedom only extends to Christians. Exactly. Go ask the people afraid of Muslims enacting sharia law what they think of Christian laws.
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Post by spartyparty on Jul 1, 2019 13:13:08 GMT -5
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 1, 2019 22:56:05 GMT -5
Well it could be like one of the Koreans that I have done work for, The Wife told me in a very racist tone, We will have one of our "Korean" friend fix it. I said OK left,,,,,,,,,,,,,, By the way the "Korean" friend could not fix it,
Her husband then had to lose face call me back to fix it. Yea, I know, old white men can never be discriminated against.
completely false. Actually this is a completely true story, most certainly did happen to me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 2, 2019 11:11:43 GMT -5
Actually this is a completely true story, most certainly did happen to me. right. I said that it is completely false that you can't be discriminated against. I know you said it sarcastically, but I am asserting that your sarcasm is false. moreover, you can sue for it, if you wish to assert your rights, and your portrayal of the situation is accurate.
or you can whine about it on a discussion board, if you prefer.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 2, 2019 16:13:52 GMT -5
This is crazy! How can so many people use religion to justify not serving african americans? And how can it be going up? I would like to see the survey questions, because this seems really off. They really should include Nazis and White Supremacist on there, so us lefties have to take a look at ourselves.
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