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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 13, 2019 13:23:07 GMT -5
"Texas Republican State Senator Bryan Hughes' bill on "election integrity" is a clear attack on voting rights, get out the vote efforts, and preys on the most vulnerable voters. Senate Bill 9 passed the Senate last month, and is a priority for the very powerful Texas Lt. Governor, far right wing ideologue and Trump supporter Dan Patrick, to become law. He claims it "protects our democracy."
--- "The bill also makes it harder for an elderly or disabled voter who requires assistance to vote.
It makes it illegal for, say, a friend to drive 3 or more voters who are "physically unable to enter the polling place without personal assistance" and therefore request a poll worker's assistance to bring "a ballot to the voter at the polling place entrance or curb," unless they fill out and sign an affidavit attesting to the voters' inability to enter the polling location without help."...
www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2019/05/texas-is-about-to-make-it-illegal-for-friends-to-drive-to-the-polls-together-to-vote/
The repubs really make an all-out effort to protect the right of the people to vote. And while this is only a proposed bill (SB-9) it shows very clearly how they really don't want the "wrong" people to vote. Stinks when someone is so blatant a bit too early, doesn't it...
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Post by justme on Jun 13, 2019 13:24:24 GMT -5
Yes...the Repubs can
Gerrymander the hell out of states to force them to lean towards GOP Systemically remove blacks from voter rolls at astronomically higher rates than whites Close poling locations in minority locations Not give a shit about those not working 8-5 jobs
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Post by imawino on Jun 13, 2019 14:18:36 GMT -5
""You never heard of working 12 hour shifts? Never heard of people working TWO jobs? Some people work weekends too but it might work, 2 day event?
I am all for a national holiday. Even weekends would be hard for some people."""
Interesting - Dems immediately make a list of why they CAN'T do something. And Repubs list how they CAN do something.
That is complete unadulterated horseshit. Acknowledging that every human beings circumstance is not the exact same as your own is not the same as a list of reasons why you can't do something. You should be celebrating people who work two jobs instead of trying to make their voice unheard.
As to the OP - I am in favor of any reasonable accommodation that encourages voting. Anyone who is not in favor of a reasonable accommodation to allow all voters to exercise their rights is part of the problem. Anti-American even.
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Post by dondub on Jun 13, 2019 15:36:30 GMT -5
The Repo-Cons have been systematically interfering with the democratic process for many years now as pertains to voting. There is so much proof of this that none of them can claim it's not true. What's wrong with these alleged Americans?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 13, 2019 16:00:18 GMT -5
""You never heard of working 12 hour shifts? Never heard of people working TWO jobs? Some people work weekends too but it might work, 2 day event?
I am all for a national holiday. Even weekends would be hard for some people."""
Interesting - Dems immediately make a list of why they CAN'T do something. And Repubs list how they CAN do something.
Oh,you mean how they CAN steal campaign funds? Kind of like that? California GOP Rep. Duncan Hunter's wife Margaret pleaded guilty on Thursday to conspiring with her husband to "knowingly and willingly" convert campaign funds for personal use. www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/politics/margaret-hunter-duncan-hunter-california/index.html
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 13, 2019 16:25:44 GMT -5
""You never heard of working 12 hour shifts? Never heard of people working TWO jobs? Some people work weekends too but it might work, 2 day event?
I am all for a national holiday. Even weekends would be hard for some people."""
Interesting - Dems immediately make a list of why they CAN'T do something. And Repubs list how they CAN do something.
Or perhaps you mean how the Republicans are always whining...."Oh, we CAN'T go to metric in the USA!" Or "We CAN'T institute single payer!" Or "We CAN'T offer generous paid maternity leave!" Or "We CAN'T get rid of the penny....even though it costs more to make a penny than a penny!" Or "We CAN'T offer same-sex couples the same benefits as regular couples!" Or "We CAN'T get on board with combating climate change!" Or "We CAN'T subsidize higher education! Let the students pay off their loans until their dying day!" There are plenty more examples. Do you want to hear them?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 13, 2019 16:58:17 GMT -5
""You never heard of working 12 hour shifts? Never heard of people working TWO jobs? Some people work weekends too but it might work, 2 day event?
I am all for a national holiday. Even weekends would be hard for some people."""
Interesting - Dems immediately make a list of why they CAN'T do something. And Repubs list how they CAN do something.
Republicans did a pretty effective job at creating 5 hour wait times in minority areas. Same here and it's hard hours. If they close at 5pm they close regardless of the line. Wait can be up to 3 hours now. But oh well it's enabling and making snowflakes if we change that. You should be taking the bus at 5am or camping overnight to make sure you're in front. Otherwise you're a loser who probably shouldn't vote anyhow. Which was Nebraska's goal in the first place.
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 13, 2019 18:49:56 GMT -5
""You should be taking the bus at 5am or camping overnight to make sure you're in front."""
5am is 'time for milking' - didn't any of you grow up around milk cows?
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Post by dondub on Jun 13, 2019 19:11:42 GMT -5
No. But I guess you milked before your engineering job huh?
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 13, 2019 21:36:26 GMT -5
Yeah, way before. Probably at about age 6 or 7.
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Post by dondub on Jun 13, 2019 22:05:16 GMT -5
So not before work then.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 13, 2019 23:25:31 GMT -5
""You never heard of working 12 hour shifts? Never heard of people working TWO jobs? Some people work weekends too but it might work, 2 day event?
I am all for a national holiday. Even weekends would be hard for some people."""
Interesting - Dems immediately make a list of why they CAN'T do something. And Repubs list how they CAN do something.
phil5185: do you agree with the goal of increasing voter turnout or not?
please honor me with a reply to that question.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 14, 2019 7:25:34 GMT -5
We spend fall and spring voting cycles in Florida every election. We have to apply for an absentee ballot via mail from Indiana for every election, and are happy to do it. The only problem is we have to mail it probably seven days before the election to assure it makes it back north to be officially counted in time.
Indiana also sends us a postcard to our Indiana address asking if we are still current voters at the Indiana address. Maybe because we vote absentee every time?
Anyway...... if you want to vote it is not that hard to do it regardless of how many of you claim the states make it hard for everyone. All you have to do is make sure you are registered in the proper district, plan to vote and make it happen, whether early voting, absentee, etc. Anything else borders on a lazy excuse and blaming someone else.
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 14, 2019 8:31:00 GMT -5
""do you agree with the goal of increasing voter turnout or not?""
Disagree - we should all be free to vote, or to not vote, as we desire.
I would like to see a better educated electorate who had a desire to participate. But not 16 to 18 year-olds who would be voting for rock-stars who promise free stuff for everyone (to buy their votes).
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 14, 2019 8:56:51 GMT -5
""do you agree with the goal of increasing voter turnout or not?""
Disagree - we should all be free to vote, or to not vote, as we desire.
I would like to see a better educated electorate who had a desire to participate. But not 16 to 18 year-olds who would be voting for rock-stars who promise free stuff for everyone (to buy their votes).
Or adults (who really should know better) voting for a reality tv host who cannot deliver on many of his promises he made to buy their vote.
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Post by dezii on Jun 14, 2019 9:22:10 GMT -5
Some states probably will. At least where I am at you have several options to vote early or mail in your ballet, or vote prior to or after your shift. Not sure why private employers should have to support those that want to vote on the actual election day with time off if you have a lot of other options. when it comes to the major elections, national ones, the absent tee ballot is fantastic...the local ones, for me, are conducted at my condo's club hose..lucky on that..don't have to leave the property..a three minute walk down...usually no lines...but the absent tee ballot...not to use...don't understand that. The absent tee ballot allows time to read carefully, those long worded new laws being promoted...for me allows better understanding to make up my mind...
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Post by dezii on Jun 14, 2019 9:25:10 GMT -5
""You never heard of working 12 hour shifts? Never heard of people working TWO jobs? Some people work weekends too but it might work, 2 day event?
I am all for a national holiday. Even weekends would be hard for some people."""
Interesting - Dems immediately make a list of why they CAN'T do something. And Repubs list how they CAN do something.
That is complete unadulterated horseshit. Acknowledging that every human beings circumstance is not the exact same as your own is not the same as a list of reasons why you can't do something. You should be celebrating people who work two jobs instead of trying to make their voice unheard.
As to the OP - I am in favor of any reasonable accommodation that encourages voting. Anyone who is not in favor of a reasonable accommodation to allow all voters to exercise their rights is part of the problem. Anti-American even.
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Post by dondub on Jun 14, 2019 10:30:52 GMT -5
I don’t recall DJ mentioning 16-18 year olds in his post about increasing voters.
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Post by justme on Jun 14, 2019 10:36:23 GMT -5
Of course not, but repubs CAN add words into people's mouth if it helps bolster their argument.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jun 14, 2019 10:43:16 GMT -5
There are other, more useful parts of the NY voting law changes that I'm interested in. I'd love to be able to vote somewhere OTHER than my assigned polling place. It's beyond stupid that I have to drive 7-8 miles nearly into the city east of my home to vote, when I live only 3 miles from the village (where I work!) west of my home. So if I can now vote in the village I'll be thrilled. Early voting (or mail voting) can also be a big perk that NY has denied us. Now if only they'd switch to open primaries, and less onerous sign up deadlines. By the time I learned that the state had switched from the normal Sept primaries to June primaries, it was way too late to make any changes to get myself or my family members (or for that matter community members, as library reference) for at least a year! It feels disenfranchising to be banned from participating in the entire election process (primary voting), simply because I refuse to ally myself with either existing major party. I don't want to further strengthen the 2 party system, I want to change it, but I can't if I have no say.
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Post by Ava on Jun 14, 2019 11:04:49 GMT -5
My voting place is close to my home but I work far from work. I just leave a few minutes early on voting day and make it with plenty of time. My voting place is empty and I've never had to wait. I live in an area where people don't care about that sort of thing. I think making voting day a holiday is long overdue.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 14, 2019 12:26:29 GMT -5
""do you agree with the goal of increasing voter turnout or not?""
Disagree - we should all be free to vote, or to not vote, as we desire.
I would like to see a better educated electorate who had a desire to participate. But not 16 to 18 year-olds who would be voting for rock-stars who promise free stuff for everyone (to buy their votes).
ok. I accept that.
but recognize that this is not a democratic attitude. the goal in a Democracy is that every consenting citizen should have a stake in the outcome of their government.
you are advocating for a Republic, at best. and that is fine. I get it. it is actually what most politicians want, as well. they don't believe in democracy, either. this has been a major fear in the political elite since at least the time of Lippman.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 14, 2019 12:27:19 GMT -5
I don’t recall DJ mentioning 16-18 year olds in his post about increasing voters. it is a red herring, but the basic argument is well understood, and I accept it.
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Post by dondub on Jun 14, 2019 12:30:39 GMT -5
Just another run of the mill Repo-Con showing true colors re: voting rights
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 14, 2019 12:32:34 GMT -5
Just another run of the mill Repo-Con showing true colors re: voting rights Republicans think like John Jay did: "those that own the country ought to run it". this has been the prevalent attitude since his time, and maybe before.
the alternate attitude is the one I expressed, which is popular among the voting public, but not at all popular in DC.
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Post by dondub on Jun 14, 2019 12:34:38 GMT -5
Amongst Repo-Cons.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 14, 2019 12:36:15 GMT -5
Chomsky calls it a prevailing attitude. I think he is generally correct.
I agree that the tendency is slanted toward the GOP, but you see it on the left, too. at least among corporate Democrats. maybe not so much among the populists.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 15, 2019 12:12:14 GMT -5
""do you agree with the goal of increasing voter turnout or not?""
Disagree - we should all be free to vote, or to not vote, as we desire.
I would like to see a better educated electorate who had a desire to participate. But not 16 to 18 year-olds who would be voting for rock-stars who promise free stuff for everyone (to buy their votes).
Or adults (who really should know better) voting for a reality tv host who cannot deliver on many of his promises he made to buy their vote. If you think really clear, one would realize almost every politician in D.C. is a reality tv star. They crave the cameras and media attention.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 15, 2019 12:25:00 GMT -5
Or adults (who really should know better) voting for a reality tv host who cannot deliver on many of his promises he made to buy their vote. If you think really clear, one would realize almost every politician in D.C. is a reality tv star. They crave the cameras and media attention. Your naivety is really not becoming.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 15, 2019 22:40:27 GMT -5
... If you think really clear, one would realize almost every politician in D.C. is a reality tv star. They crave the cameras and media attention. Reality TV: The candidates must produce a four-page advertorial for Donald Trump's fashion line, but there's not much model behavior when one project manager grows infatuated with a model and the other manager disrobes for a risqué scene. link Each team must write, direct, produce and star in a live sales segment while fashion designer Isaac Mizrahi and Mr. Trump observe. link The candidates are delegated to produce 30-second ads promoting mobile television. As one team casts a teammate in the ad's lead role, the other squad goes the extra yard by planning to shoot two commercials. link Each team must write, direct, produce and star in a live sales segment while fashion designer Isaac Mizrahi and Mr. Trump observe. link Yes, quite similar to congressional issues.
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