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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 6, 2019 13:10:42 GMT -5
cable news has been in steady decline for a long time. and good riddance, I say. Ahh, but six months ago we had people crowing how strong Rachel Maddow and MSNBC wereand leading uner the banner of truth Justice and the American way . Which people would those be?
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 6, 2019 13:43:58 GMT -5
This is also anectodal, but the only people I know who sit down and regularly watch cable news are elderly. The younger voters get news amalgamation sources and go to different websites. Yes, the elderly are a large voting block, but they won't be around for that much longer. We've got a huge shift in how people get news coming. Seriously! I'm 39, and I know nobody my age who actually watches any cable news. We get our info online. My mother and my aunts religiously watch MSNBC. My grandfather was the same with Fox News. Fox has great ratings because a bunch of retired racists watch it all day. Congrats on that! Yes, AND all the cable channels are aloso online, as well as thousanf=ds of useless and outright disingenious sites pushing an agenda, and not the actual truth. Ever hear of Google and Facebook?
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Post by hurley1980 on Jun 6, 2019 13:46:37 GMT -5
Seriously! I'm 39, and I know nobody my age who actually watches any cable news. We get our info online. My mother and my aunts religiously watch MSNBC. My grandfather was the same with Fox News. Fox has great ratings because a bunch of retired racists watch it all day. Congrats on that! Yes, AND all the cable channels are aloso online, as well as thousanf=ds of useless and outright disingenious sites pushing an agenda, and not the actual truth. Ever hear of Google and Facebook? Yes, which is why cable news rating really don't mean shit!
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 6, 2019 13:49:34 GMT -5
Okay, I get it. Our members here are not going to believe anything from a conservative on this board. That is fine. After the November election in 2020 I expect some really serious apoligies from everyone here. Evidently many here cannot handle the truth. I am explaining why he will be re-elected. Everyone refuses to think I may have a point. Remember this. Not one democratic potential candidate is drawing any large enthusiastic crowds. Shit some of them are making Hillary's lack of audience at her rallies look downright great in numbers. Wghat the hell happened to Beto? He was the glory boy and savior? Abandoned for Mayor Pete Now even he is facing scrutiny and smaller audiences.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 6, 2019 15:06:34 GMT -5
Okay, I get it. Our members here are not going to believe anything from a conservative on this board. That is fine. After the November election in 2020 I expect some really serious apoligies from everyone here. Evidently many here cannot handle the truth. I am explaining why he will be re-elected. Everyone refuses to think I may have a point. Remember this. Not one democratic potential candidate is drawing any large enthusiastic crowds. Shit some of them are making Hillary's lack of audience at her rallies look downright great in numbers. Wghat the hell happened to Beto? He was the glory boy and savior? Abandoned for Mayor Pete Now even he is facing scrutiny and smaller audiences. No I think you were arguing that Fox News was the best cable news network ever. Some of us were making the argument that only older voters watch cable news much anymore, so it's best not to make assumptions based on which cable news networks are doing well.
I'm not saying one way or another if Trump will be re-elected or not. I'm horrible at guessing election outcomes.
However, I would caution you to hedge your bets, too. Looking at a Fox poll (since I know you don't trust anyone else), Biden is running 20 points ahead of Trump. A new Texas poll has the reliably red state favoring Biden - Texas hasn't gone blue since Carter.
Trump barely squeaked through in three states in 2016 - Michigan, PA and Wisconsin - Michigan has both Biden and Sanders double digits over Trump. Biden leads Trump double digits in PA.
www.foxnews.com/politics/new-2020-polls-biden-topping-trump-in-michigan-edging-the-president-in-texas
I had to go to the Hill for a poll on Wisconsin - they showed Trump behind Biden in all three of these three states that gave him the 2016 win. Trump is also trailing in NC, and three states Trump won easily in 2016, Texas, Arizona, and Iowa- are up for grabs.
thehill.com/homenews/campaign/447163-polls-flash-2020-warning-for-trump
So I'm not sure where you're getting your information about 'not one dem candidate drawing enthusiastic crowds' but I think that's not an accurate assessment.
It's early yet. The economy could crash. Biden could fall off a podium get amnesia. One of those Trump investigations might dig up something really ugly. Too soon to be confident of anything, except that it will be ugly and we will be sick of it long before it's done.
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Post by hurley1980 on Jun 6, 2019 16:23:34 GMT -5
Okay, I get it. Our members here are not going to believe anything from a conservative on this board. That is fine. After the November election in 2020 I expect some really serious apoligies from everyone here. Evidently many here cannot handle the truth. I am explaining why he will be re-elected. Everyone refuses to think I may have a point. Remember this. Not one democratic potential candidate is drawing any large enthusiastic crowds. Shit some of them are making Hillary's lack of audience at her rallies look downright great in numbers. Wghat the hell happened to Beto? He was the glory boy and savior? Abandoned for Mayor Pete Now even he is facing scrutiny and smaller audiences. This was the same with the republican candidates during the last primaries. It means nothing.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 6, 2019 19:14:37 GMT -5
Okay, I get it. Our members here are not going to believe anything from a conservative on this board. That is fine. After the November election in 2020 I expect some really serious apoligies from everyone here. Evidently many here cannot handle the truth. I am explaining why he will be re-elected. Everyone refuses to think I may have a point. Remember this. Not one democratic potential candidate is drawing any large enthusiastic crowds. Shit some of them are making Hillary's lack of audience at her rallies look downright great in numbers. Wghat the hell happened to Beto? He was the glory boy and savior? Abandoned for Mayor Pete Now even he is facing scrutiny and smaller audiences. This was the same with the republican candidates during the last primaries. It means nothing. It meant a hell of a lot. Trump trounced all of them in the primary. Hillary Clinton failed to attract the huge crowds too. Crowds matter. She lost.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 6, 2019 19:22:53 GMT -5
This was the same with the republican candidates during the last primaries. It means nothing. It meant a hell of a lot. Trump trounced all of them in the primary. Hillary Clinton failed to attract the huge crowds too. Crowds matter. She lost. She WON the popular vote.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 7, 2019 7:04:48 GMT -5
This was the same with the republican candidates during the last primaries. It means nothing. It meant a hell of a lot. Trump trounced all of them in the primary. Hillary Clinton failed to attract the huge crowds too. Crowds matter. She lost. You remember how so many people were 100% confident Clinton would win in 2016?
Confidence can be misplaced. Clearly.
Remember how you and other conservative posters on this board predicted in the 2018 midterms how the GOP would sweep the elections and the dems would suffer further humiliating defeats? Another misplaced confidence.
I would agree that Trump is likely to win in 2020 - IF the economy continues to do well. If it tanks, I think he'll really struggle. On the other hand, we don't even know who will be the Dem candidate at this point, and there are endless possible ways they can fuck things up for themselves, too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 7:31:01 GMT -5
...America has chosen the winner. ... As of April 29, 2019, Fox News was the leading cable network in the United States, with approximately 1.41 million total day viewers. (from link above) The current population of the United States of America is 328,919,763 link I go with none of them as the winner. The world population is even larger. If you count all the stars in the sky there are even more. I wonder if it applies to how many molecules of air are in our atmosphere. With all that taken into account. Fox will still lead as the most watched cable news network. Yes I laughed when I read your post, it was great humor !
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It meant a hell of a lot. Trump trounced all of them in the primary. Hillary Clinton failed to attract the huge crowds too. Crowds matter. She lost. You remember how so many people were 100% confident Clinton would win in 2016?
Confidence can be misplaced. Clearly.
Remember how you and other conservative posters on this board predicted in the 2018 midterms how the GOP would sweep the elections and the dems would suffer further humiliating defeats? Another misplaced confidence.
I would agree that Trump is likely to win in 2020 - IF the economy continues to do well. If it tanks, I think he'll really struggle. On the other hand, we don't even know who will be the Dem candidate at this point, and there are endless possible ways they can fuck things up for themselves, too.
I was so confident that Trump didn't stand a chance against Clinton, I didn't even watch the returns come in, and didn't know who won till the next morning.
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Okay, I get it. Our members here are not going to believe anything from a conservative on this board. That is fine. After the November election in 2020 I expect some really serious apoligies from everyone here. Evidently many here cannot handle the truth. I am explaining why he will be re-elected. Everyone refuses to think I may have a point. Remember this. Not one democratic potential candidate is drawing any large enthusiastic crowds. Shit some of them are making Hillary's lack of audience at her rallies look downright great in numbers. Wghat the hell happened to Beto? He was the glory boy and savior? Abandoned for Mayor Pete Now even he is facing scrutiny and smaller audiences. Things are good. People are happy/working/with futures, when you turn off the liberal koolaid feed on the TV. That's who is going to be voting in the next election.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jun 7, 2019 9:05:21 GMT -5
This is also anectodal, but the only people I know who sit down and regularly watch cable news are elderly. The younger voters get news amalgamation sources and go to different websites. Yes, the elderly are a large voting block, but they won't be around for that much longer. We've got a huge shift in how people get news coming. Seriously! I'm 39, and I know nobody my age who actually watches any cable news. We get our info online. My mother and my aunts religiously watch MSNBC. My grandfather was the same with Fox News. Fox has great ratings because a bunch of retired racists watch it all day. Congrats on that! Same (also 39). The only thing I even turn my cable box on for is live sports. I stream all my TV/movie content and greatly favor being able to read news and avoid the pointless prattle.
I will try to watch live election results (typically on MSNBC) when there is a major election. Even there though, I stream it online since I don't have the channel as part of my cable package.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jun 7, 2019 9:12:20 GMT -5
It meant a hell of a lot. Trump trounced all of them in the primary. Hillary Clinton failed to attract the huge crowds too. Crowds matter. She lost. She WON the popular vote. They don't care. And really, why should they? The popular vote doesn't mean jack in our fucked up electoral college system. The woman had the 3rd highest popular vote total in the country's history (behind only Obama) and she still didn't win.
They keep trotting out Trumps win as some great defeat, when it really only highlights how broken our current system is. It needs to be revamped.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 7, 2019 9:22:10 GMT -5
Okay, I get it. Our members here are not going to believe anything from a conservative on this board. That is fine. After the November election in 2020 I expect some really serious apoligies from everyone here. Evidently many here cannot handle the truth. I am explaining why he will be re-elected. Everyone refuses to think I may have a point. Remember this. Not one democratic potential candidate is drawing any large enthusiastic crowds. Shit some of them are making Hillary's lack of audience at her rallies look downright great in numbers. Wghat the hell happened to Beto? He was the glory boy and savior? Abandoned for Mayor Pete Now even he is facing scrutiny and smaller audiences. Things are good. People are happy/working/with futures, when you turn off the liberal koolaid feed on the TV. That's who is going to be voting in the next election. Actually, happy people who are satisfied with the status quo are less likely to vote, especially if Fox News has lulled them into the believe that Trump can't possibly lose. Overconfidence is bad - look at the 2016 election.
It's the people who are unhappy with the way things are that are more motivated to get to the polling stations to kick the bums out.
So how many voters have drunk the Fox koolaid and believe life is the best it's always been, and how many have drunk the liberal koolaid and think Trump is destroying democracy?
That's what you have to worry about.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 7, 2019 9:24:59 GMT -5
As of April 29, 2019, Fox News was the leading cable network in the United States, with approximately 1.41 million total day viewers. (from link above) The current population of the United States of America is 328,919,763 link I go with none of them as the winner. The world population is even larger. If you count all the stars in the sky there are even more. I wonder if it applies to how many molecules of air are in our atmosphere. With all that taken into account. Fox will still lead as the most watched cable news network. Yes I laughed when I read your post, it was great humor ! The Greatest Showman soundtrack was the best selling album in 2018 link. I would not use that fact to draw major conclusions on the state of today's music scene.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 7, 2019 9:26:53 GMT -5
I watched some of the Warren town hall on cable news this week and they had a millennial woman on there who was going to vote for Sanders, because she wanted to vote for change. When Sanders got stiffed, she voted for Trump, instead. She is now deeply regretful and enraged and she said she would absolutely not vote for Trump again - this time, she said, 'change' means a new president. Millennials have historically not turned out to vote in large numbers. Just 49 percent of them bothered to vote in 2016, less in 2018. If they are strongly motivated to vote for someone (or against someone) - so that more of them show up at the polls - it will be interesting to see what happens.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jun 7, 2019 9:31:32 GMT -5
Things are good. People are happy/working/with futures, when you turn off the liberal koolaid feed on the TV. That's who is going to be voting in the next election. Actually, happy people who are satisfied with the status quo are less likely to vote, especially if Fox News has lulled them into the believe that Trump can't possibly lose. Overconfidence is bad - look at the 2016 election.
It's the people who are unhappy with the way things are that are more motivated to get to the polling stations to kick the bums out.
So how many voters have drunk the Fox koolaid and believe life is the best it's always been, and how many have drunk the liberal koolaid and think Trump is destroying democracy?
That's what you have to worry about.
I will always blame the results of the 2016 election, at least in part, on Democratic complacency. So many of my co-workers were CONVINCED Hillary had it in the bag. I thought that type of thinking was dangerous. They dismissed my concerns.
Nothing would make me happier than for that same false sense of security to bite the Republicans in the ass this time around.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 7, 2019 10:52:41 GMT -5
Things are good. People are happy/working/with futures, when you turn off the liberal koolaid feed on the TV. That's who is going to be voting in the next election. Actually, happy people who are satisfied with the status quo are less likely to vote, especially if Fox News has lulled them into the believe that Trump can't possibly lose. Overconfidence is bad - look at the 2016 election.
It's the people who are unhappy with the way things are that are more motivated to get to the polling stations to kick the bums out.
So how many voters have drunk the Fox koolaid and believe life is the best it's always been, and how many have drunk the liberal koolaid and think Trump is destroying democracy?
That's what you have to worry about.
I am not worried about who wins in 2020. It isthe liberals who are freaking out.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 7, 2019 11:04:40 GMT -5
I saw an advertisement for Showtime this morning. They have a new series starting. It is about the building of the Fox news network from the ground up and how they did it. I do not expect it to be a favorable explanation of the personalities involved in making it the success that it is
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 7, 2019 11:35:20 GMT -5
I watched some of the Warren town hall on cable news this week and they had a millennial woman on there who was going to vote for Sanders, because she wanted to vote for change. When Sanders got stiffed, she voted for Trump, instead. She is now deeply regretful and enraged and she said she would absolutely not vote for Trump again - this time, she said, 'change' means a new president. Millennials have historically not turned out to vote in large numbers. Just 49 percent of them bothered to vote in 2016, less in 2018. If they are strongly motivated to vote for someone (or against someone) - so that more of them show up at the polls - it will be interesting to see what happens.
I wonder how many of those people there really are. And even more importantly where they are. If they are in CA, it won't make a lick of difference. The millenials (and Gen Z) could have a lot of power, if they show up. Will old, creepy Biden bring them out? Obama brought out non-voters because he was young and cool. I don't think Dems can count on non-voters unless they find someone who speaks to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 12:05:56 GMT -5
Things are good. People are happy/working/with futures, when you turn off the liberal koolaid feed on the TV. That's who is going to be voting in the next election. Actually, happy people who are satisfied with the status quo are less likely to vote, especially if Fox News has lulled them into the believe that Trump can't possibly lose. Overconfidence is bad - look at the 2016 election.
It's the people who are unhappy with the way things are that are more motivated to get to the polling stations to kick the bums out.
So how many voters have drunk the Fox koolaid and believe life is the best it's always been, and how many have drunk the liberal koolaid and think Trump is destroying democracy?
That's what you have to worry about.
Not really that worried much on who wins the next election. All the fire and brimstone supplied from either side of the aisle, results in not much happening when they get in office. Trumps big wall, AOC's new green deal ? Nothing happens. Too much inertia built into the system.
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Post by swamp on Jun 7, 2019 12:07:30 GMT -5
I watched some of the Warren town hall on cable news this week and they had a millennial woman on there who was going to vote for Sanders, because she wanted to vote for change. When Sanders got stiffed, she voted for Trump, instead. She is now deeply regretful and enraged and she said she would absolutely not vote for Trump again - this time, she said, 'change' means a new president. Millennials have historically not turned out to vote in large numbers. Just 49 percent of them bothered to vote in 2016, less in 2018. If they are strongly motivated to vote for someone (or against someone) - so that more of them show up at the polls - it will be interesting to see what happens.
I wonder how many of those people there really are. And even more importantly where they are. If they are in CA, it won't make a lick of difference. The millenials (and Gen Z) could have a lot of power, if they show up. Will old, creepy Biden bring them out? Obama brought out non-voters because he was young and cool. I don't think Dems can count on non-voters unless they find someone who speaks to them. that would be Mayor Pete, but I don't think Pete is ready yet.
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The world population is even larger. If you count all the stars in the sky there are even more. I wonder if it applies to how many molecules of air are in our atmosphere. With all that taken into account. Fox will still lead as the most watched cable news network. Yes I laughed when I read your post, it was great humor ! The Greatest Showman soundtrack was the best selling album in 2018 link. I would not use that fact to draw major conclusions on the state of today's music scene. Being a DJ at a roller rink, I would. Of course since its the only thing I really do since retiring, I live, think, sleep music, everyday and night. That music and it's style that's been copied, is hugely popular.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 7, 2019 12:14:39 GMT -5
I watched some of the Warren town hall on cable news this week and they had a millennial woman on there who was going to vote for Sanders, because she wanted to vote for change. When Sanders got stiffed, she voted for Trump, instead. She is now deeply regretful and enraged and she said she would absolutely not vote for Trump again - this time, she said, 'change' means a new president. Millennials have historically not turned out to vote in large numbers. Just 49 percent of them bothered to vote in 2016, less in 2018. If they are strongly motivated to vote for someone (or against someone) - so that more of them show up at the polls - it will be interesting to see what happens.
I wonder how many of those people there really are. And even more importantly where they are. If they are in CA, it won't make a lick of difference. The millenials (and Gen Z) could have a lot of power, if they show up. Will old, creepy Biden bring them out? Obama brought out non-voters because he was young and cool. I don't think Dems can count on non-voters unless they find someone who speaks to them. Well, there is being motivated to vote FOR a candidate, and being motivated to vote AGAINST one.
In 2016, I think a lot of people were motivated to vote AGAINST Hillary, and would have voted for anyone who ran against her, which is why Trump won.
In 2020, I think the opposite will be true. I think it won't matter as much which Dem is running, there will be a lot of people who turn out to vote for anyone but Trump.
As for the millennials, who can tell. They're certainly not a fixed voting block. One of the mystery factors in the election.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 7, 2019 12:46:21 GMT -5
The Greatest Showman soundtrack was the best selling album in 2018 link. I would not use that fact to draw major conclusions on the state of today's music scene. Being a DJ at a roller rink, I would. Of course since its the only thing I really do since retiring, I live, think, sleep music, everyday and night. That music and it's style that's been copied, is hugely popular. And roller skating is also hugely popular I am sure.
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Being a DJ at a roller rink, I would. Of course since its the only thing I really do since retiring, I live, think, sleep music, everyday and night. That music and it's style that's been copied, is hugely popular. And roller skating is also hugely popular I am sure. When compared to pole vaulting, its quite popular.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 7, 2019 14:15:46 GMT -5
I wonder how many of those people there really are. And even more importantly where they are. If they are in CA, it won't make a lick of difference. The millenials (and Gen Z) could have a lot of power, if they show up. Will old, creepy Biden bring them out? Obama brought out non-voters because he was young and cool. I don't think Dems can count on non-voters unless they find someone who speaks to them. that would be Mayor Pete, but I don't think Pete is ready yet. What do you think about a Biden/Mayor Pete ticket?
I don't know if Biden would do a second term, due to his age, and Mayor Pete might be able to step in at that point.
Of course, he won't get many votes where I live in the South, but then neither will any other democrat.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 7, 2019 15:45:18 GMT -5
I wonder how many of those people there really are. And even more importantly where they are. If they are in CA, it won't make a lick of difference. The millenials (and Gen Z) could have a lot of power, if they show up. Will old, creepy Biden bring them out? Obama brought out non-voters because he was young and cool. I don't think Dems can count on non-voters unless they find someone who speaks to them. that would be Mayor Pete, but I don't think Pete is ready yet. I didn't think Obama was ready yet, and Pete has less experience than that. But, I love Mayor Pete. He is a smart guy.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 7, 2019 16:52:11 GMT -5
that would be Mayor Pete, but I don't think Pete is ready yet. I didn't think Obama was ready yet, and Pete has less experience than that. But, I love Mayor Pete. He is a smart guy. I didn't and still don't think the country was ready for a black president. Just look at what crawled out of the woodwork very shortly after the golden throne was moved to the WH
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