movingforward
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Post by movingforward on Apr 12, 2019 13:58:44 GMT -5
The Pro-life movement has always been about control and punishment, and trying to force people to live by their moral standards.
When they see the opportunity to use the law as a whip they do it. If it was really concerned about preventing abortions, there are endlessly better ways to do it. Most notably informative and fact based sex education in schools.
I could ALMOST get behind more stringent abortions laws if republicans advocated for easy access to birth control and plan B, sex education in schools, etc. but that is not what they want. They want women knocked up and in the kitchen. This isn't about protecting unborn children. It is all about the control of women. That is what it has always been about. And coming from someone who lives in TX and has to deal with the TX legislature due to my job, this bill is not a surprise. A group tried to tact on an abortion law to several bills back in 2017. Thankfully, it was caught by the sponsors of all the bills. That is the real threat here...a bill slipping through with something really bad attached that no one catches (I am not just talking about abortion but other things as well).
It is also horrifying to think about how many laws are bought and paid for...those with the largest PAC donations and the best lobbyist are going to win. Also, I have found that 95% of the politicians are there for their own personal gain. They want a particular law passed so they run for office. This is why we need special interest groups with grassroots from the public. Without them then every law would be based on corporations with the most money and personal political projects.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 14:06:20 GMT -5
The Pro-life movement has always been about control and punishment, and trying to force people to live by their moral standards.
When they see the opportunity to use the law as a whip they do it. If it was really concerned about preventing abortions, there are endlessly better ways to do it. Most notably informative and fact based sex education in schools.
Control yes, been saying it all along. My way or the highway, by my moral code. Don't really see the punishment as an overall.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 14:11:22 GMT -5
The Pro-life movement has always been about control and punishment, and trying to force people to live by their moral standards.
When they see the opportunity to use the law as a whip they do it. If it was really concerned about preventing abortions, there are endlessly better ways to do it. Most notably informative and fact based sex education in schools.
I could ALMOST get behind more stringent abortions laws if republicans advocated for easy access to birth control and plan B, sex education in schools, etc. but that is not what they want. They want women knocked up and in the kitchen. This isn't about protecting unborn children. It is all about the control of women. That is what it has always been about. And coming from someone who lives in TX and has to deal with the TX legislature due to my job, this bill is not a surprise. A group tried to tact on an abortion law to several bills back in 2017. Thankfully, it was caught by the sponsors of all the bills. That is the real threat here...a bill slipping through with something really bad attached that no one catches (I am not just talking about abortion but other things as well).
It is also horrifying to think about how many laws are bought and paid for...those with the largest PAC donations and the best lobbyist are going to win. Also, I have found that 95% of the politicians are there for their own personal gain. They want a particular law passed so they run for office. This is why we need special interest groups with grassroots from the public. Without them then every law would be based on corporations with the most money and personal political projects.
Agree, that is what it's always been about, control. I have no suggestions on how to change millennia of human nature. Men ceaselessly try to dominate, women nurture. There are a million exceptions, I'm talking general behavior.
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 12, 2019 15:46:19 GMT -5
Texas is world renown for executing death row inmates.
Is it the same 'He who sheds man’s blood, by man — the civil government — his blood will be shed' for the death row inmates?
What really pisses me off on these kinds of things is that the middle class/wealthy Texan ladies can fly themselves to other states or countries for legal,clean, medically supervised procedures. It's the poor Texas women who would end up potentially dying from botched procedures or, apparently, on death row.
Once again, the poor pay the highest price. Just to expand on this...^^^ I was an unwed mother back in the late 60's, prior to roe/v/wade....I had an offer from a Jewish man I knew to have an abortion in a fully accredited hospital in the LA area by fully accredited Dr.s. Only thing I had to do was come up with $500 for the procedure....and he was willing to front me part of the $$ cause he was the owner of a bar where I worked part time. It would NOT have been put into the records as an abortion, but rather as a "female procedure" back then. Not sure how it could be coded in today's medical histories, but I'm sure there is a way. And this was in a Jewish hospital...how did he know about it?....well, that's where most of the wealthy Jewish men took their mistresses for their abortions or their wives when they went outside the marriage or their daughters if they got "caught"!....is how he explained it to me back then. This is NOT a judgement of Jews or any other religion....but it does show one area of hypocrisy even before we had a law. I'm sure there were others for other religions too or other ways to "cover" for those who could afford it....religion or not. Absolutely. They were called D&C's and done under sanitary conditions by a real doctor.
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Post by busymom on Apr 12, 2019 18:23:01 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 12, 2019 20:16:48 GMT -5
In my opinion women should only have nine toes, one less than men. So from now on, we will be cutting off the left big toe of every female at birth. demintrolland That seems fair. After all, God gave one of Adam's twenty-four ribs to Eve so he was one short.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 13, 2019 12:30:26 GMT -5
I am going to post a comment on the abortion thread concerning the statement.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 13, 2019 12:35:47 GMT -5
I am going to post a comment on the abortion thread concerning the statement. I have yet to visit the site nor plan to.
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