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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 12, 2019 9:58:13 GMT -5
Well, I did do some reading on the DOE, Which now I ask, are all these Dept really needed?
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OldCoyote
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 12, 2019 9:59:30 GMT -5
John Love, had one of the best, Political Moto's when he ran for office, How could you go wrong with this. Vote For Love!
According to the Wicki....had a real productive life....both politically and in the military...served with above board distinction....also great integrity..when saw what was happening in the Nixon White House...refused to go along and resigned his appointment....to bad we can't expect same type of integrity by todays members of GOP...or his appointed staff...they wait to be fired. shame is we don't remember these out standing Americans after they are gone...I didn't know of him and his history...glad you asked the question. He was for a short time Gov of Colorado when I lived there.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 12, 2019 14:09:07 GMT -5
has nothing to do with "like". it has to do with honesty & integrity.
if you are asserting that I don't want a balanced budget, you're wrong.
It's what I vote for. Giving a constituent what he wants, doesn't get any more honest. I wasn't commenting on you not wanting balanced budget. It sounded like you didn't like what was being selected for cutting. I don't think I mentioned or posited what would be selected for cutting.
what I posited is that driving up the deficit to FORCE spending cuts is fundamentally dishonest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 14:14:39 GMT -5
It's what I vote for. Giving a constituent what he wants, doesn't get any more honest. I wasn't commenting on you not wanting balanced budget. It sounded like you didn't like what was being selected for cutting. I don't think I mentioned or posited what would be selected for cutting.
what I posited is that driving up the deficit to FORCE spending cuts is fundamentally dishonest.
The GOP sees it as a means to an end. Never seen much in the way of honest politics.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 12, 2019 14:20:55 GMT -5
I don't think I mentioned or posited what would be selected for cutting.
what I posited is that driving up the deficit to FORCE spending cuts is fundamentally dishonest.
The GOP sees it as a means to an end. Never seen much in the way of honest politics. i am not that cynical.
the GOP controlled the purse strings the last 2 years. if they were serious about the problem, they could have done something.
they are not. they haven't been since Nixon. unfortunately. they talk a good game, but ultimately, they spend just as much as Democrats, and are worse at taxing for it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 14:28:29 GMT -5
The GOP sees it as a means to an end. Never seen much in the way of honest politics. i am not that cynical.
the GOP controlled the purse strings the last 2 years. if they were serious about the problem, they could have done something.
they are not. they haven't been since Nixon. unfortunately. they talk a good game, but ultimately, they spend just as much as Democrats, and are worse at taxing for it.
The other side/half of buying the vote, I'm always complaining about. Yeah, I'm kind of cynical these days.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 12, 2019 14:33:58 GMT -5
The GOP sees it as a means to an end. Never seen much in the way of honest politics. i am not that cynical.
the GOP controlled the purse strings the last 2 years. if they were serious about the problem, they could have done something.
they are not. they haven't been since Nixon. unfortunately. they talk a good game, but ultimately, they spend just as much as Democrats, and are worse at taxing for it.
All true. On top of that, they are also worse at who they choose to help. Democrats for the most part spend to help people who need help. Republicans for the most part spend to help people who don't. Somebody's got it backwards.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 7:52:37 GMT -5
i am not that cynical.
the GOP controlled the purse strings the last 2 years. if they were serious about the problem, they could have done something.
they are not. they haven't been since Nixon. unfortunately. they talk a good game, but ultimately, they spend just as much as Democrats, and are worse at taxing for it.
All true. On top of that, they are also worse at who they choose to help. Democrats for the most part spend to help people who need help. Republicans for the most part spend to help people who don't. Somebody's got it backwards. I agree. The money is wasted when passed out to those who won't help themselves. Give it to job providers and the like, instead of the generational dole squatters. Its money better spent. Like the subsidy for Tesla. We're moving forward progressively to save the planet, with electric cars. Instead of one's fueled by sequestered carbon, that we extract and put into our atmosphere. Unless the only intent is to garner votes for the left. After looking at the countrywide, county maps and which way they vote in national elections, along with the demographics of those areas, not to hard to figure out the general operational platform of the Democratic Party. It's backwards alright, and a recipe for national decline, and polluting ourselves to death.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 13, 2019 12:21:26 GMT -5
All true. On top of that, they are also worse at who they choose to help. Democrats for the most part spend to help people who need help. Republicans for the most part spend to help people who don't. Somebody's got it backwards. I agree. The money is wasted when passed out to those who won't help themselves. Give it to job providers and the like, instead of the generational dole squatters. Its money better spent. Like the subsidy for Tesla.
We're moving forward progressively to save the planet, with electric cars.
Instead of one's fueled by sequestered carbon, that we extract and put into our atmosphere.Unless the only intent is to garner votes for the left. After looking at the countrywide, county maps and which way they vote in national elections, along with the demographics of those areas, not to hard to figure out the general operational platform of the Democratic Party. It's backwards alright, and a recipe for national decline, and polluting ourselves to death. The electric cars are fueled by fossil fuels. Where does your electricity come form? Clean, sustainable sources? Coal-fired power plants.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 13, 2019 14:00:00 GMT -5
I agree. The money is wasted when passed out to those who won't help themselves. Give it to job providers and the like, instead of the generational dole squatters. Its money better spent. Like the subsidy for Tesla.
We're moving forward progressively to save the planet, with electric cars.
Instead of one's fueled by sequestered carbon, that we extract and put into our atmosphere.Unless the only intent is to garner votes for the left. After looking at the countrywide, county maps and which way they vote in national elections, along with the demographics of those areas, not to hard to figure out the general operational platform of the Democratic Party. It's backwards alright, and a recipe for national decline, and polluting ourselves to death. The electric cars are fueled by fossil fuels. Where does your electricity come form? Clean, sustainable sources? Coal-fired power plants. precisely the issue I have with them. it is TRANSPORTING pollution, not cutting it.
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Post by phil5185 on Apr 13, 2019 14:13:28 GMT -5
""" The electric cars are fueled by fossil fuels. Where does your electricity come form? Clean, sustainable sources? Coal-fired power plants. """
Bingo - and that is the key point to 'climate'. If we used our Solar subsidy money to improve the safety, improve the fuel recycling, of Nuclear Plants, we could be recharging our electric cars with carbon-free energy. Instead we are pondering how to live w/o airplanes, how to write carbon tax laws, how to make 'clean coal' (lol), and screwing with the semantics of "renewable" vs "carbon free" vs "sustainable". This stuff is not technically difficult - we just need someone with the political will do actually convert 'talk' into 'action". The cleanness of our skies will be amazing after fossil cars and fossil power plants a replaced, those two alone produce 80% to 90% of pollution. (No need to kill the cows, their place on the Pareto list is way down).
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 13, 2019 14:46:33 GMT -5
""" The electric cars are fueled by fossil fuels. Where does your electricity come form? Clean, sustainable sources? Coal-fired power plants. """
Bingo - and that is the key point to 'climate'. If we used our Solar subsidy money to improve the safety, improve the fuel recycling, of Nuclear Plants, we could be recharging our electric cars with carbon-free energy. Instead we are pondering how to live w/o airplanes, how to write carbon tax laws, how to make 'clean coal' (lol), and screwing with the semantics of "renewable" vs "carbon free" vs "sustainable". This stuff is not technically difficult - we just need someone with the political will do actually convert 'talk' into 'action". The cleanness of our skies will be amazing after fossil cars and fossil power plants a replaced, those two alone produce 80% to 90% of pollution. (No need to kill the cows, their place on the Pareto list is way down).
We're recharging our electric cars with kinetic energy. It makes sense here. It doesn't make sense when you recharge them with fossil fuels.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 13, 2019 14:48:38 GMT -5
""" The electric cars are fueled by fossil fuels. Where does your electricity come form? Clean, sustainable sources? Coal-fired power plants. """
Bingo - and that is the key point to 'climate'. If we used our Solar subsidy money to improve the safety, improve the fuel recycling, of Nuclear Plants, we could be recharging our electric cars with carbon-free energy. Instead we are pondering how to live w/o airplanes, how to write carbon tax laws, how to make 'clean coal' (lol), and screwing with the semantics of "renewable" vs "carbon free" vs "sustainable". This stuff is not technically difficult - we just need someone with the political will do actually convert 'talk' into 'action". The cleanness of our skies will be amazing after fossil cars and fossil power plants a replaced, those two alone produce 80% to 90% of pollution. (No need to kill the cows, their place on the Pareto list is way down).
Still pushing nuclear, eh? Tell us again how great France is doing with nuclear. They're shutting down many of their nuclear power plants. They're going to focus more on wind and solar.
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Post by phil5185 on Apr 13, 2019 16:30:54 GMT -5
""Still pushing nuclear, eh? Tell us again how great France is doing with nuclear.
They're shutting down many of their nuclear power plants. They're going to focus more on wind and solar."""
Yeah, I saw that - sad, I hope the French rethink that, they had been making good progress with safety and with recycling the fuel rods. As for modern safer reactors, China is now leading the way with several new mega-reactors. Its very important that the giant population nations make the nuclear conversion - we can't solve the climate issue if our little 0.3 billion US population switches to clean energy and the other 6.7 Bil people of the world keep building new coal plants to meet their energy needs. The emerging nations can build coal plants way faster than we can take them off-line in the US & Can. Ie, the number of fossil plants in the world will continue to increase global carbon pollution for decades after the US completely gets rid of carbon.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Apr 13, 2019 17:15:13 GMT -5
Many countries are rethinking coal. They are victims of really bad pollution, both air and water that they are taking action. India is one that is in dire circumstances due to over population.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 8:40:06 GMT -5
Many countries are rethinking coal. They are victims of really bad pollution, both air and water that they are taking action. India is one that is in dire circumstances due to over population. The problem in a nutshell, overpopulation. The population, worldwide, is growing faster than the energy source fix in the making.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 8:43:36 GMT -5
""" The electric cars are fueled by fossil fuels. Where does your electricity come form? Clean, sustainable sources? Coal-fired power plants. """
Bingo - and that is the key point to 'climate'. If we used our Solar subsidy money to improve the safety, improve the fuel recycling, of Nuclear Plants, we could be recharging our electric cars with carbon-free energy. Instead we are pondering how to live w/o airplanes, how to write carbon tax laws, how to make 'clean coal' (lol), and screwing with the semantics of "renewable" vs "carbon free" vs "sustainable". This stuff is not technically difficult - we just need someone with the political will do actually convert 'talk' into 'action". The cleanness of our skies will be amazing after fossil cars and fossil power plants a replaced, those two alone produce 80% to 90% of pollution. (No need to kill the cows, their place on the Pareto list is way down).
Political will quickly evaporates with election results.
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Post by hurley1980 on Apr 15, 2019 11:44:02 GMT -5
All true. On top of that, they are also worse at who they choose to help. Democrats for the most part spend to help people who need help. Republicans for the most part spend to help people who don't. Somebody's got it backwards. I agree. The money is wasted when passed out to those who won't help themselves.
Give it to job providers and the like, instead of the generational dole squatters. Its money better spent. Like the subsidy for Tesla. We're moving forward progressively to save the planet, with electric cars. Instead of one's fueled by sequestered carbon, that we extract and put into our atmosphere. Unless the only intent is to garner votes for the left. After looking at the countrywide, county maps and which way they vote in national elections, along with the demographics of those areas, not to hard to figure out the general operational platform of the Democratic Party. It's backwards alright, and a recipe for national decline, and polluting ourselves to death. Ya those damn veterans and elderly who are just a bunch of lazy asses who refuse to help themselves! The "Job providers" don't do anything with the money but buy back stocks to help their investors, and give large bonuses to their top men. Trickle down doesn't work FFS!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 11:45:27 GMT -5
I agree. The money is wasted when passed out to those who won't help themselves.
Give it to job providers and the like, instead of the generational dole squatters. Its money better spent. Like the subsidy for Tesla. We're moving forward progressively to save the planet, with electric cars. Instead of one's fueled by sequestered carbon, that we extract and put into our atmosphere. Unless the only intent is to garner votes for the left. After looking at the countrywide, county maps and which way they vote in national elections, along with the demographics of those areas, not to hard to figure out the general operational platform of the Democratic Party. It's backwards alright, and a recipe for national decline, and polluting ourselves to death. Ya those damn veterans and elderly who are just a bunch of lazy asses who refuse to help themselves! The "Job providers" don't do anything with the money but buy back stocks to help their investors, and give large bonuses to their top men. Trickle down doesn't work FFS! Nice try. Feigned outrage bug going around in your area ? I watch the liberal news. I'm quite familiar with the half story from them, and what you're attempting with your post. As an aside, tallguy is the smart one for not touching this post of mine that you're quoting, with a ten foot pole. It's loaded.
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Post by hurley1980 on Apr 15, 2019 11:55:47 GMT -5
So you admit you are posted loaded comments, to get people all riled up. There's a name for that...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 12:02:10 GMT -5
So you admit you are posted loaded comments, to get people all riled up. There's a name for that... Yes, it's called a very wide expanse of information covering the whole topic. I don't have to cry troll when faced with knowledge/whole story. We can start with your false premise if you wish. (bolded)
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Post by tallguy on Apr 15, 2019 12:17:12 GMT -5
Ya those damn veterans and elderly who are just a bunch of lazy asses who refuse to help themselves! The "Job providers" don't do anything with the money but buy back stocks to help their investors, and give large bonuses to their top men. Trickle down doesn't work FFS! Nice try. Feigned outrage bug going around in your area ? I watch the liberal news. I'm quite familiar with the half story from them, and what you're attempting with your post. As an aside, tallguy is the smart one for not touching this post of mine that you're quoting, with a ten foot pole.
It's loaded.It's loaded with some things, all right. Unfortunately, truth is not high on its list.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 12:19:42 GMT -5
Nice try. Feigned outrage bug going around in your area ? I watch the liberal news. I'm quite familiar with the half story from them, and what you're attempting with your post. As an aside, tallguy is the smart one for not touching this post of mine that you're quoting, with a ten foot pole.
It's loaded.It's loaded with some things, all right. Unfortunately, truth is not high on its list. So is the backup information for the premise. (bolded) Here's a little background... Why is the US government subsidizing Tesla on the backs of the hard working lower classes. It's already been pointed out as useless for climate reasons. Think of the things hurley posted for background. In #78 (We know each other well, I would of stayed away in the same situation, if reversed)
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 15, 2019 14:42:51 GMT -5
meh, just your used Uranium in the ocean. It won't hurt anyone. The ocean is too far away. it in the parks, next to the playgrounds....and here I thought Florida golf courses would be the perfect place? We even have one where the SS can make sure that no one tries to steal our used Uranium since they are there on an almost full time basis anyway.
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