AOC's Rebuke......

[kadee79]

Scroll down a bit & play the video...listen carefully, she nails it!


splinternews.com/heres-aocs-blistering-rebuke-to-people-calling-the-gree-1833601917

[bean29]

The Republicans Hate her because she is so effective.

[phil5185]

""The Republicans Hate her because she is so effective.

They are also terrified because of what she represents- a future they abhor """

I'm a Republican, I think she is great.  Her goals are mostly spot on, and she has the political chops stuff done.  She doesn't fully understand the science of Climate, few of us do. But she could jump-start some real science and put focus onto solutions.

Right now our public and our politicians are bumbling because they know only the problem - and the need to do SOMETHING. But they don't know what to do. The public fell in love with solar - so politicians are forced to rave "go solar", it's the only way to get elected.  So our politicians, having no other way to go, are spending over $30B per year on solar subsidies - and have been for more than a decade. But after more than 15 years, solar provides us with only  1% to 2% of our energy. The other 'renewable' is wind, it is more successful, it provides about 8%.

But the real solution is nuclear - it can provide 75% or more, France is a good example.  Technically it is not quite renewable - but more importantly it works, night and day, w/o wind. And it is carbon-free.   Most of our smog, greenhouse gas, etc comes from carbon - roughly 45% from power plants and 45% from vehicles.  If you separate the significant few from the insignificant many, you can keep cows, keep airplanes - and still solve 90% of the problem by using nuclear power and electric cars (recharged with nuclear power).   AOC's 12-year goal isn't that far out of line. China is building nuclear plants and putting several in line every year.  And Elon Musk is building 1000s of electric cars - if the govt would get out of his way he could probably build a 'work-a-day' car with a 800-mile-range for common usage - and build millions of them.

These things are technically possible, they are right on the horizon of science. AOC could be exactly what is needed to apply political pressure to Climate and get us focused on what society needs to do.  Sounds like the opposite of 'abhor', bring it on. 

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 27, 2019 16:15:56 GMT -5 phil5185 said:

But the real solution is nuclear ...

AOC could be exactly what is needed to apply political pressure to Climate and get us focused on what society needs to do. ...

The GND is 100% opposed to nuclear energy.

The Republicans Hate her because she is so effective.

The Republicans hate her because her policies (while barely proscribed) are borderline insane, her followers are wantonly ignorant of the policies' destructive potential, and if she ever gains real power, she'll be the younger, less hinged counterpart of (ex- Ontario Premier) Kathleen Wynne, who devastated millions of lives and an entire provincial economy with just a handful of "green" initiatives. Read up on that if you want a sneak peek at Rep. Cortez' "effective" future.

They are also terrified because of what she represents- a future they abhor

This much is true.

www.dlacalle.com/en/the-new-green-deal-is-not-new-not-green-not-a-deal/

[OldCoyote]

I think she is great,, Please keep her on the front page!

After all, her idea is only going to cost $93,000,000,000,000,,,,, pocket change!

Just shy of 4X the National debt.   No problem.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 27, 2019 22:06:53 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I think she is great,, Please keep her on the front page!

After all, her idea is only going to cost $93,000,000,000,000,,,,, pocket change!

Just shy of 4X the National debt.   No problem.

please back up that $93T figure.

tyia

[OldCoyote]

politicallyincorrecthumor.com/meme-galleries/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-meme-gallery/

This should keep you busy for weeks.

[mroped]

We spent a bit over $6 trillions on war since 9/11 and in the process killed over 500000 civilians and enemy combatants abroad and a few thousand Americans in the process.
The destruction and havoc that we wrecked is unimaginable and irreparable. There is no price on life lost and destruction that we produced. All in the interests of few!
I don’t think  at this point should matter how much it costs to solve a problem that stands to delete the existence of human race and the planet.
She may not be instructed on the subject and the details of it but that is why we have scientists and people that understand the issue.

[OldCoyote]

Mar 28, 2019 6:42:06 GMT -5 mroped said:

We spent a bit over $6 trillions on war since 9/11 and in the process killed over 500000 civilians and enemy combatants abroad and a few thousand Americans in the process.
The destruction and havoc that we wrecked is unimaginable and irreparable. There is no price on life lost and destruction that we produced. All in the interests of few!
I don’t think  at this point should matter how much it costs to solve a problem that stands to delete the existence of human race and the planet.
She may not be instructed on the subject and the details of it but that is why we have scientists and people that understand the issue.

Hmmmm, You mean the few Americans that were killed in the World Trade Center and Pentagon??

[OldCoyote]

I was on My way to work, on the radio was the announcement that an airplane had crashed into the World Trade Center,  I thought, How could that have happened?

I turned around went back home, turned on the TV in time to see the second airplane crash into the second building!

I can not express My anger that I had at that moment!

Just think, If,,,,,,,Osama  bin Laden, had not directed and financed that operation,,

There would not have been the Iraq or Afghanistan, wars.

So who is to blame for all that death and destruction?

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 28, 2019 6:42:06 GMT -5 mroped said:

She may not be instructed on the subject and the details of it but that is why we have scientists and people that understand the issue.

If these "scientists and people" weren't entirely funded by some of the most insidious globalist interests on Earth, or--better still--if they could demonstrate that they indeed "understand the issue" one whit via prediction and reproducible science, perhaps the skeptical among us would be more willing to embrace policies a hundredfold as oppressive as those that have provably devastated economies in Europe and provinces of the British Commonwealth. Most of which, by the way, did absolutely jack to curb greenhouse gas emissions. See my previous link.

The (still-ongoing) "Yellow Vest" riots in France: their biggest concern? Joblessness and runaway taxation, largely brought about by climate-related policies from the past few years (which they embraced like fools, by the way).

There's another glimpse into your "effective future". Mass unemployment, crushing taxes, riots, and you're still not meaningfully diminishing GG emissions, assuming you care about that bogeyman.

[mroped]

Mar 28, 2019 6:48:02 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Mar 28, 2019 6:42:06 GMT -5 mroped said:

We spent a bit over $6 trillions on war since 9/11 and in the process killed over 500000 civilians and enemy combatants abroad and a few thousand Americans in the process.
The destruction and havoc that we wrecked is unimaginable and irreparable. There is no price on life lost and destruction that we produced. All in the interests of few!
I don’t think  at this point should matter how much it costs to solve a problem that stands to delete the existence of human race and the planet.
She may not be instructed on the subject and the details of it but that is why we have scientists and people that understand the issue.

Hmmmm, You mean the few Americans that were killed in the World Trade Center and Pentagon??

3000 or over in WTC and maybe 10000 in the field. Unspeakable loss, cannot be measured.
But for the 3000 that were killed in a cowardly act we waged war...against the wrong countries!

[mroped]

Mar 28, 2019 7:09:16 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 28, 2019 6:42:06 GMT -5 mroped said:

She may not be instructed on the subject and the details of it but that is why we have scientists and people that understand the issue.

If these "scientists and people" weren't entirely funded by some of the most insidious globalist interests on Earth, or--better still--if they could demonstrate that they indeed "understand the issue" one whit via prediction and reproducible science, perhaps the skeptical among us would be more willing to embrace policies a hundredfold as oppressive as those that have provably devastated economies in Europe and provinces of the British Commonwealth. Most of which, by the way, did absolutely jack to curb greenhouse gas emissions. See my previous link.

The (still-ongoing) "Yellow Vest" riots in France: their biggest concern? Joblessness and runaway taxation, largely brought about by climate-related policies from the past few years (which they embraced like fools, by the way).

There's another glimpse into your "effective future". Mass unemployment, crushing taxes, riots, and you're still not meaningfully diminishing GG emissions, assuming you care about that bogeyman.

But in fear of crushing taxes and the “boogeymen” let’s sit back, relax and open up a few more coal plants to produce electricity, let’s deforest every single surface on Earth all so we can have a very comfortable life and a remote control always handy. What happens with my children and their children? Don’t know, don’t care! It will be their problem!

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 28, 2019 8:20:38 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Mar 28, 2019 7:09:16 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

If these "scientists and people" weren't entirely funded by some of the most insidious globalist interests on Earth, or--better still--if they could demonstrate that they indeed "understand the issue" one whit via prediction and reproducible science, perhaps the skeptical among us would be more willing to embrace policies a hundredfold as oppressive as those that have provably devastated economies in Europe and provinces of the British Commonwealth. Most of which, by the way, did absolutely jack to curb greenhouse gas emissions. See my previous link.

The (still-ongoing) "Yellow Vest" riots in France: their biggest concern? Joblessness and runaway taxation, largely brought about by climate-related policies from the past few years (which they embraced like fools, by the way).

There's another glimpse into your "effective future". Mass unemployment, crushing taxes, riots, and you're still not meaningfully diminishing GG emissions, assuming you care about that bogeyman.

I challenge the bolded statement.  There are many reasons for high unemployment and the high level of taxation in France.  To blame them on the Paris Accord is highly inaccurate.

1. The policies I'm talking about long predate the PCCA. I shouldn't have said "past few years"; it's closer to "past 10-15 years".
   
   
2. The causes of mass unemployment, crushing taxes, and riots in France not attributable to climate-related policies are attributable to other policies Rep. Cortez has endorsed. France is an oversocialized, overtaxed, overregulated, overimmigrated, underassimilated mess that's running out the socialist death clock just a bit slower than the PIIGS, and it will be a grim spectacle to behold over the coming decade.
   

Look at the bright side, though: as France slowly transforms into rural Afghanistan, eventually their carbon emissions will have to come down.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 28, 2019 8:40:22 GMT -5 mroped said:

Mar 28, 2019 7:09:16 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

If these "scientists and people" weren't entirely funded by some of the most insidious globalist interests on Earth, or--better still--if they could demonstrate that they indeed "understand the issue" one whit via prediction and reproducible science, perhaps the skeptical among us would be more willing to embrace policies a hundredfold as oppressive as those that have provably devastated economies in Europe and provinces of the British Commonwealth. Most of which, by the way, did absolutely jack to curb greenhouse gas emissions. See my previous link.

The (still-ongoing) "Yellow Vest" riots in France: their biggest concern? Joblessness and runaway taxation, largely brought about by climate-related policies from the past few years (which they embraced like fools, by the way).

There's another glimpse into your "effective future". Mass unemployment, crushing taxes, riots, and you're still not meaningfully diminishing GG emissions, assuming you care about that bogeyman.

But in fear of crushing taxes and the “boogeymen” let’s sit back, relax and open up a few more coal plants to produce electricity, let’s deforest every single surface on Earth all so we can have a very comfortable life and a remote control always handy. What happens with my children and their children? Don’t know, don’t care! It will be their problem!

Deforestation hasn't been a problem in North America for decades. Industries long ago realized that unsustainable forestry would be the death of them; they moved to sustainable practices.

Coal plants shut down automatically when the energy they produce isn't significantly less expensive than energy from renewable sources. The price of energy from renewable sources drops when (and only when) the technology improves. The technology improves when private (not public) investment into research yields marketable fruits over time.

The reason TPTB are pushing the "NOW NOW NOW!" harder than ever is because they know perfectly well their policies--their resource grabs, power grabs, carbon taxes, greenwashing--are neither effective nor necessary for the transformation of the energy industry. This is the most lucrative and meticulously-crafted scam in human history, the window of execution is rapidly closing, and they need a public scared out of its wits to consent to harmful and deeply illogical policies before technology brings about the revolution naturally.

Rep. Cortez is among their chief "NOW NOW NOW!" foghorns in the US. A charismatic true believer. They've mobilized everything from Hollywood celebrities to pop scientists to tot armies marching in the streets, and Rep. Cortez is just one more cog in that machine.

[NastyWoman]

Mar 28, 2019 6:48:02 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Mar 28, 2019 6:42:06 GMT -5 mroped said:

We spent a bit over $6 trillions on war since 9/11 and in the process killed over 500000 civilians and enemy combatants abroad and a few thousand Americans in the process.
The destruction and havoc that we wrecked is unimaginable and irreparable. There is no price on life lost and destruction that we produced. All in the interests of few!
I don’t think  at this point should matter how much it costs to solve a problem that stands to delete the existence of human race and the planet.
She may not be instructed on the subject and the details of it but that is why we have scientists and people that understand the issue.

Hmmmm, You mean the few Americans that were killed in the World Trade Center and Pentagon??

3,000/500,000 =0.6% We sure got our own back didn't we?

[dondub]

Mar 28, 2019 6:48:02 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Mar 28, 2019 6:42:06 GMT -5 mroped said:

We spent a bit over $6 trillions on war since 9/11 and in the process killed over 500000 civilians and enemy combatants abroad and a few thousand Americans in the process.
The destruction and havoc that we wrecked is unimaginable and irreparable. There is no price on life lost and destruction that we produced. All in the interests of few!
I don’t think  at this point should matter how much it costs to solve a problem that stands to delete the existence of human race and the planet.
She may not be instructed on the subject and the details of it but that is why we have scientists and people that understand the issue.

Hmmmm, You mean the few Americans that were killed in the World Trade Center and Pentagon??

 The number is now 6000 more dead Americans with many thousands maimed physically and emotionally. Many of those have come home and killed themselves or family members. For what?

 And here's the deal AS....the Iraquis had nothing at all to do with 911 regardless of what the warmonger Cheney sold you. The Afghani's didn't either other than having some fellow Mujahadeen, that had helped them oust the Russkies, hanging about. Oh, and OBL had been a CIA asset too. Both of these wars activated the blood lust of the American public post 911 and both were a scam and a sham. Completely unnecessary and a waste of trillions with trillions more to come and countless years or even centuries of Jihadi blowback.

 Here is an interesting story about how we really let OBL go in Tora Bora. Hmmmmm.

newrepublic.com/article/72086/the-battle-tora-bora

[weltschmerz]

Mar 28, 2019 8:48:09 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 28, 2019 8:20:38 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I challenge the bolded statement.  There are many reasons for high unemployment and the high level of taxation in France.  To blame them on the Paris Accord is highly inaccurate.

1. The policies I'm talking about long predate the PCCA. I shouldn't have said "past few years"; it's closer to "past 10-15 years".
   
   
2. The causes of mass unemployment, crushing taxes, and riots in France not attributable to climate-related policies are attributable to other policies Rep. Cortez has endorsed. France is an oversocialized, overtaxed, overregulated, overimmigrated, underassimilated mess that's running out the socialist death clock just a bit slower than the PIIGS, and it will be a grim spectacle to behold over the coming decade.
   

Look at the bright side, though: as France slowly transforms into rural Afghanistan, eventually their carbon emissions will have to come down.

So the joblessness and runaway taxation are NOT largely attributed to climate change policies, as you previously claimed.


"The (still-ongoing) "Yellow Vest" riots in France: their biggest concern? Joblessness and runaway taxation, largely brought about by climate-related policies from the past few years (which they embraced like fools, by the way)"

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 28, 2019 18:43:20 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Mar 28, 2019 8:48:09 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

1. The policies I'm talking about long predate the PCCA. I shouldn't have said "past few years"; it's closer to "past 10-15 years".
   
   
2. The causes of mass unemployment, crushing taxes, and riots in France not attributable to climate-related policies are attributable to other policies Rep. Cortez has endorsed. France is an oversocialized, overtaxed, overregulated, overimmigrated, underassimilated mess that's running out the socialist death clock just a bit slower than the PIIGS, and it will be a grim spectacle to behold over the coming decade.
   

Look at the bright side, though: as France slowly transforms into rural Afghanistan, eventually their carbon emissions will have to come down.

So the joblessness and runaway taxation are NOT largely attributed to climate change policies, as you previously claimed.


"The (still-ongoing) "Yellow Vest" riots in France: their biggest concern? Joblessness and runaway taxation, largely brought about by climate-related policies from the past few years (which they embraced like fools, by the way)"

In recollection, most reports identified climate-related policies more as "the straw that broke the camel's back" than "most of what was on the camel's" back.

Hence I'll amend my statement:

The (still-ongoing) "Yellow Vest" riots in France: their biggest concern? Joblessness and runaway taxation, in part brought about by climate-related policies from the past 15 years. The proximate trigger for the riots, insofar as I've read, is taxes and job losses largely brought about by climate-related policies from the past few years.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 28, 2019 19:32:13 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Unfortunately, that is still inaccurate.  France faces competitive disadvantages with it's neighbors for several reasons, among them -ironically- policies that are very generous to French workers, such as short work weeks, early retirement, and other generous benefits.  Climate related policies are not a trigger for this.  In fact, France's large dependence on nuclear power generation is an economic driver for them, not an onus.  (of course nukes have their own serious problems, but turning francs and complying with the Paris Accords are not part of them)

Think transport taxes. Huge, crushing fuel taxes. All those Parisians unable to afford the gas they need to drive to work.

Partly that's due to geopolitical factors, but a big share of it is also climate-related tax grabs.

As for joblessness, think back to Europe's disastrous experiment with cap and trade. Rampant corruption was what ultimately killed it, but it did lasting damage. For example, rather than costly upgrades or production cuts, it was actually cheaper for big emitters to buy smaller, dirtier businesses (say, steel plants) and simply shut them down. So... they did. Hurray for carbon credits. Those jobs never came back.

[weltschmerz]

Mar 28, 2019 19:52:10 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 28, 2019 19:32:13 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Unfortunately, that is still inaccurate.  France faces competitive disadvantages with it's neighbors for several reasons, among them -ironically- policies that are very generous to French workers, such as short work weeks, early retirement, and other generous benefits.  Climate related policies are not a trigger for this.  In fact, France's large dependence on nuclear power generation is an economic driver for them, not an onus.  (of course nukes have their own serious problems, but turning francs and complying with the Paris Accords are not part of them)

Think transport taxes. Huge, crushing fuel taxes. All those Parisians unable to afford the gas they need to drive to work.

Partly that's due to geopolitical factors, but a big share of it is also climate-related tax grabs.

As for joblessness, think back to Europe's disastrous experiment with cap and trade. Rampant corruption was what ultimately killed it, but it did lasting damage. For example, rather than costly upgrades or production cuts, it was actually cheaper for big emitters to buy smaller, dirtier businesses (say, steel plants) and simply shut them down. So... they did. Hurray for carbon credits. Those jobs never came back.

Oh,please. Fuel is a bit more expensive than in Canada, but many things are cheaper, from milk to rent to the internet. It evens out. 
Are your saying that Canadians are taxed so much, they can't get to work? That's bull.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 28, 2019 20:18:58 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Mar 28, 2019 19:52:10 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Think transport taxes. Huge, crushing fuel taxes. All those Parisians unable to afford the gas they need to drive to work.

Partly that's due to geopolitical factors, but a big share of it is also climate-related tax grabs.

As for joblessness, think back to Europe's disastrous experiment with cap and trade. Rampant corruption was what ultimately killed it, but it did lasting damage. For example, rather than costly upgrades or production cuts, it was actually cheaper for big emitters to buy smaller, dirtier businesses (say, steel plants) and simply shut them down. So... they did. Hurray for carbon credits. Those jobs never came back.

Oh,please. Fuel is a bit more expensive than in Canada, but many things are cheaper, from milk to rent to the internet. It evens out. 
Are your saying that Canadians are taxed so much, they can't get to work? That's bull.

I'm just telling you what the newsmen said.

And frankly, yeah. Minimum wage. CAD 2.15/liter for gas. That's going to limit where you work and how much you travel even if you're puttering around in one of those mopeds.

Now, are the French paragons of stoicism and self-reliance? No.

Would Canadians be rioting in the streets if faced with similar austerity? Probably not.

But the fact remains that over there, like over here, things are a lot more expensive than they need to be, and a lot of industries that could exist don't, due to climate change policies that haven't done one whit to curb emissions--for those who even give a damn.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 29, 2019 4:53:22 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Carbon credits are not the reason for the French unemployment rate being where it is.

Not solely responsible, no. Just one piece of a bigger puzzle, as you say.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 28, 2019 8:20:38 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Mar 28, 2019 7:09:16 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

If these "scientists and people" weren't entirely funded by some of the most insidious globalist interests on Earth, or--better still--if they could demonstrate that they indeed "understand the issue" one whit via prediction and reproducible science, perhaps the skeptical among us would be more willing to embrace policies a hundredfold as oppressive as those that have provably devastated economies in Europe and provinces of the British Commonwealth. Most of which, by the way, did absolutely jack to curb greenhouse gas emissions. See my previous link.

The (still-ongoing) "Yellow Vest" riots in France: their biggest concern? Joblessness and runaway taxation, largely brought about by climate-related policies from the past few years (which they embraced like fools, by the way).

There's another glimpse into your "effective future". Mass unemployment, crushing taxes, riots, and you're still not meaningfully diminishing GG emissions, assuming you care about that bogeyman.

I challenge the bolded statement.  There are many reasons for high unemployment and the high level of taxation in France.  To blame them on the Paris Accord is highly inaccurate.

uh.....this is the closest we have been to full employment in decades, and taxes are also at their lowest ebb in decades.

is Virgil talking about Canada?

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 29, 2019 10:17:37 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 28, 2019 8:20:38 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I challenge the bolded statement.  There are many reasons for high unemployment and the high level of taxation in France.  To blame them on the Paris Accord is highly inaccurate.

uh.....this is the closest we have been to full employment in decades, and taxes are also at their lowest ebb in decades.

is Virgil talking about Canada?

I don't know. Is France in Canada?

If so, then yes, the "Yellow Vest riots in France" we're clearly talking about are in Canada.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 29, 2019 10:30:23 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

If they were protesting because of efforts to mitigate climate change, we would know it! 

You don't protest mitigating climate change. You protest the economic consequences of mitigating climate change, often without realizing where those consequences come from.

[weltschmerz]

Mar 29, 2019 8:01:23 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 29, 2019 4:53:22 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Carbon credits are not the reason for the French unemployment rate being where it is.

Not solely responsible, no. Just one piece of a bigger puzzle, as you say.

You said this....

"The (still-ongoing) "Yellow Vest" riots in France: their biggest concern? Joblessness and runaway taxation, largely brought about by climate-related policies from the past few years (which they embraced like fools, by the way)"


Largely responsible. ...and that's wrong. 

[weltschmerz]

The French take the Le Metro to get to work. 
And their public transit is cheaper than ours.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 29, 2019 14:24:12 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Any negative effects on the French economy by climate mitigation efforts are negligible, and more than offset by positive effects elsewhere.

We'll agree to disagree on the magnitude of the negative effects. I'd love to here about these positive effects.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 29, 2019 14:21:10 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Mar 29, 2019 8:01:23 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Not solely responsible, no. Just one piece of a bigger puzzle, as you say.

You said this....

"The (still-ongoing) "Yellow Vest" riots in France: their biggest concern? Joblessness and runaway taxation, largely brought about by climate-related policies from the past few years (which they embraced like fools, by the way)"


Largely responsible. ...and that's wrong. 

I've already amended my statement, in Reply #22. What more do you want?