Trump's 2020 proposed budget includes big cuts in education

[busymom]

If this portion of the budget goes through as-is, the student loan forgiveness program will be history, and, subsidized student loans will be gone (loans with no interest accumulating while you're still in college).  I guess it's true that our president likes the uneducated...



www.cnbc.com/2019/03/11/trumps-budget-proposal-would-cancel-public-service-loan-forgiveness.html?fbclid=IwAR3aAn4wxbe4SX8R3MjBP7KFvKazU6UFpW8MqHP5MTkB1hVzWuJ2am6lavc

[Gardening Grandma]

It also has deep cuts to SS, Medicate & Medicaid.  The programs he promised he'd never cut.....

[andi9899]

This is absolutely ridiculous. Cutting programs to help people while stealing money from budgets to put up a monument to racism. America is turning into a shit show. And it's all because of one person who never should have been elected president.

[billisonboard]

Mar 12, 2019 9:20:46 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

... America is turning into a shit show. And it's all because of one person who never should have been elected president.

Disagree. It is because of the millions of our fellow Americans who provided the necessary votes (under the existing rules) to elect him president.

[tbop77]

What would be comical if it weren't so sad are statements like this.  Did they just now realize the national debt was 22T and with the tax cuts the deficit would run 1T per year?  I guess those tough decisions didn't factor in when you were giving big tax cuts to the rich and corporations.  


Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.), the ranking member of the House Budget Committee, said Wednesday that President Trump's 2020 budget proposal released this week establishes the administration's priorities and was the result of "some pretty tough decisions."


Anytime that you're dealing with a deficit of a trillion dollars and a national debt of $22 trillion dollars, if you start down the road of trying to cut into those deficits, and ultimately that debt, you're going to have to make some tough decisions," Womack said. "So the president's budget, when it came, with some pretty tough decisions. That's going to get pushback from the other side as we saw yesterday."

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-republican-says-trumps-budget-sets-priorities-includes-tough-decisions/ar-BBUIOTY?ocid=spartandhp

[dezii]

Mar 12, 2019 9:20:46 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

This is absolutely ridiculous. Cutting programs to help people while stealing money from budgets to put up a monument to racism. America is turning into a shit show. And it's all because of one person who never should have been elected president.

The man is who he is  and has been, from the beginning......it's his base and supporters who seem to be whats wrong if your against this POTUS  policies , doings and rhetoric....at least as I see it.

Don't believe me...just ask those who are and support him who are contributors here...great at  ….revel in that endeavor...Am sure brag of their doings to friends and on other more conservative web sites I am sure they visit....just saying  

[NastyWoman]

Mar 14, 2019 6:35:02 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

What would be comical if it weren't so sad are statements like this.  Did they just now realize the national debt was 22T and with the tax cuts the deficit would run 1T per year?  I guess those tough decisions didn't factor in when you were giving big tax cuts to the rich and corporations.  


Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.), the ranking member of the House Budget Committee, said Wednesday that President Trump's 2020 budget proposal released this week establishes the administration's priorities and was the result of "some pretty tough decisions."


Anytime that you're dealing with a deficit of a trillion dollars and a national debt of $22 trillion dollars, if you start down the road of trying to cut into those deficits, and ultimately that debt, you're going to have to make some tough decisions," Womack said. "So the president's budget, when it came, with some pretty tough decisions. That's going to get pushback from the other side as we saw yesterday."

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-republican-says-trumps-budget-sets-priorities-includes-tough-decisions/ar-BBUIOTY?ocid=spartandhp

Or when you decided to give $100M play money to the apple of your eye (damn if only she weren't your daughter, there could be some other play involved...)

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Mar 14, 2019 6:35:02 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

What would be comical if it weren't so sad are statements like this.  Did they just now realize the national debt was 22T and with the tax cuts the deficit would run 1T per year?  I guess those tough decisions didn't factor in when you were giving big tax cuts to the rich and corporations.  


Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.), the ranking member of the House Budget Committee, said Wednesday that President Trump's 2020 budget proposal released this week establishes the administration's priorities and was the result of "some pretty tough decisions."


Anytime that you're dealing with a deficit of a trillion dollars and a national debt of $22 trillion dollars, if you start down the road of trying to cut into those deficits, and ultimately that debt, you're going to have to make some tough decisions," Womack said. "So the president's budget, when it came, with some pretty tough decisions. That's going to get pushback from the other side as we saw yesterday."

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-republican-says-trumps-budget-sets-priorities-includes-tough-decisions/ar-BBUIOTY?ocid=spartandhp

as suspected.


they intentionally inflated the deficit so they could go after these programs.

[thyme4change]

Why would the GOP spend money to help people get an education?

[OldCoyote]

Mar 15, 2019 12:47:36 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Mar 14, 2019 6:35:02 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

What would be comical if it weren't so sad are statements like this.  Did they just now realize the national debt was 22T and with the tax cuts the deficit would run 1T per year?  I guess those tough decisions didn't factor in when you were giving big tax cuts to the rich and corporations.  


Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.), the ranking member of the House Budget Committee, said Wednesday that President Trump's 2020 budget proposal released this week establishes the administration's priorities and was the result of "some pretty tough decisions."


Anytime that you're dealing with a deficit of a trillion dollars and a national debt of $22 trillion dollars, if you start down the road of trying to cut into those deficits, and ultimately that debt, you're going to have to make some tough decisions," Womack said. "So the president's budget, when it came, with some pretty tough decisions. That's going to get pushback from the other side as we saw yesterday."

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-republican-says-trumps-budget-sets-priorities-includes-tough-decisions/ar-BBUIOTY?ocid=spartandhp

Or when you decided to give $100M play money to the apple of your eye (damn if only she weren't your daughter, there could be some other play involved...)

Out of curiosity, How Many Trillions of $$$$$ did the tax break give?  enough to pay off the debt?

[OldCoyote]

Why would we cancel the money owed for student loans?

That would be great,, I bought way too big of a house,, but if I make minimum payments for ten years, the house is mine for free!!!

[mroped]

Mar 15, 2019 23:33:07 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Why would we cancel the money owed for student loans?

That would be great,, I bought way too big of a house,, but if I make minimum payments for ten years, the house is mine for free!!!

Your analogy makes absolutely no sense.
Ill just leave it at that!

[OldCoyote]

Mar 16, 2019 7:25:57 GMT -5 mroped said:

Mar 15, 2019 23:33:07 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Why would we cancel the money owed for student loans?

That would be great,, I bought way too big of a house,, but if I make minimum payments for ten years, the house is mine for free!!!

Your analogy makes absolutely no sense.
Ill just leave it at that!

Why should We forgive Student loans,,

Do you borrow money knowing you don't intend to pay the loan?

[mroped]

I’ve looked back into the budgets sampling a year here, one there.
There has never been a budget cut to DOD that I could find. Maybe there is one and I missed it.
Every single time when budget cuts were made there are 3 places where the cuts are made primarily: education, social services and environmental protection. Or to many other programs that affect these three.
That leads me to believe that in all its mightness, this country, the American society doesn’t really care about having an educated population, doesn’t care how poor that population is or what the leave for the future generation when it comes to nature.
As long as we have the baddest ass planes in the sky, boats in the water and the smartest, longest range missiles then we are good!

[mroped]

Mar 16, 2019 7:29:17 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Mar 16, 2019 7:25:57 GMT -5 mroped said:

Your analogy makes absolutely no sense.
Ill just leave it at that!

Why should We forgive Student loans,,

Do you borrow money knowing you don't intend to pay the loan?

When people get loans for education they bank on the fact that having a better education would bring them better income which in turn pays the loans.
Buying a bigger than you need House could be because you are a show off and have no common sense, or you are already loaded and can afford it or as a way to make money intending to resale for a profit at a later time. None of them are showing good, sound decision making process 

[mmhmm]

I can see loan forgiveness being tied to the viability of the degree attained. If someone chooses to accrue $50K+ to obtain a degree in North American bird calls, I can see that loan being on the person who chose to accrue it. However, if the degree obtained results in skills that can be used for the benefit of society, some degree of forgiveness doesn't seem out of line, to me.

[OldCoyote]

You took out the loan, you knew what you were doing,,, Now pay it!!!

[OldCoyote]

Geeees, Do I get a free house if I get a job as Government dog catcher??

[resolution]

Mar 16, 2019 7:55:44 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

You took out the loan, you knew what you were doing,,, Now pay it!!!

Then they should be able to bankrupt out of their student loans, the same as they can when they take out other types of loans.

[OldCoyote]

Mar 16, 2019 8:32:48 GMT -5 resolution said:

Mar 16, 2019 7:55:44 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

You took out the loan, you knew what you were doing,,, Now pay it!!!

Then they should be able to bankrupt out of their student loans, the same as they can when they take out other types of loans.

They knew what the bankruptcy rules were when they took out the loan!

[resolution]

Mar 16, 2019 8:45:31 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Mar 16, 2019 8:32:48 GMT -5 resolution said:

Then they should be able to bankrupt out of their student loans, the same as they can when they take out other types of loans.

They knew what the bankruptcy rules were when they took out the loan!

A lot of them were also misled about future earning when they signed up. Kind of like taking out the mortgage and not actually getting the house.

[OldCoyote]

Buyer be ware!

[OldCoyote]

The point is is you took out a ton of student loans with idea that pay the minimum amount of repayment for ten years.

Then you are Scott free,is not reasonable.

Like I made reference to buy a house, then wanting it free after ten years,,

You made a financial commitment, Now live up to the terms of that commitment!

[ednkris]

The govt should never been in to student loans to begin with. If you can't pay for it you don't go. No wonder the damn tuition is so high. 

[weltschmerz]

Mar 16, 2019 12:16:31 GMT -5 ednkris said:

The govt should never been in to student loans to begin with. If you can't pay for it you don't go. No wonder the damn tuition is so high. 

You sound like an anti-education conservative, which is par for the course.
Who needs an educated populace? Keep everyone except the wealthy elite poor and living paycheck to paycheck.
Sounds like a plan.

[phil5185]

I'm for abolishing the Dept of Education. It has been a waste of time and talent since Jimmy Carter invented it. The Teachers Unions, the federal meddling of K12 curriculum, has had way more unintended consequences (at I hope they were unintended?) than helpful ideas. IMO, the  Edu Dept is a big factor in our failing K12 System.  There are far better uses for our $70B/yr. 

[weltschmerz]

Mar 16, 2019 9:42:56 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

The point is is you took out a ton of student loans with idea that pay the minimum amount of repayment for ten years.

Then you are Scott free,is not reasonable.

Like I made reference to buy a house, then wanting it free after ten years,,

You made a financial commitment, Now live up to the terms of that commitment!

Does your house help anyone but you? Does it help the general population?
Not even a little bit. 
Am educated populace helps the entire country.

Your analogy sucks.

[billisonboard]

Mar 16, 2019 14:24:40 GMT -5 phil5185 said:

I'm for abolishing the Dept of Education. It has been a waste of time and talent since Jimmy Carter invented it. The Teachers Unions, the federal meddling of K12 curriculum, has had way more unintended consequences (at I hope they were unintended?) than helpful ideas. IMO, the  Edu Dept is a big factor in our failing K12 System.  There are far better uses for our $70B/yr. 

The major problem with a Department of Education at the federal level is that it has documented the performance of previously out of sight elements of our nation's localized educational system. Ignorance was bliss.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 12, 2019 9:57:40 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Mar 12, 2019 9:20:46 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

... America is turning into a shit show. And it's all because of one person who never should have been elected president.

Disagree. It is because of the millions of our fellow Americans who provided the necessary votes (under the existing rules) to elect him president.

you mean the millions that are also on social security and medicare?

[billisonboard]

Mar 12, 2019 9:20:46 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

... America is turning into a shit show. And it's all because of one person who never should have been elected president.

Mar 12, 2019 9:57:40 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Disagree. It is because of the millions of our fellow Americans who provided the necessary votes (under the existing rules) to elect him president.

Mar 16, 2019 14:32:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

... you mean the millions that are also on social security and medicare?

No, that isn't what I meant. I meant that President Trump is a symptom of what is going on in American these days, he is not the reason it is going on. He won the Republican nomination and the Presidency because enough Americans wished for him to do his thing. We can digress into another discussion on the Electoral College or insult the reasoning of the people who voted for him, But the bottom line is we live in a very divided country and focusing on one individual will not solve it.