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Post by dezii on Feb 23, 2019 15:26:51 GMT -5
It will be worth it if the fucker known as trump gets booted out of the White House. What about when Trump comes out clean, and Mueller suggests another investigation into Hillary and the DNC? Then she and they should be investigated....
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Post by dondub on Feb 23, 2019 16:39:40 GMT -5
I’m all for investigating any of these folks that have or seek higher office. Why not? If they are criminals, convict them and sentence them accordingly.
I’m sure that if Trump is guilty of treason, and Bill Maher seems to think so, why even Paul will return here and call for him to be put up against a wall and shot. There might even be a fresh stretch down on the border.😎
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 23, 2019 17:56:39 GMT -5
Satire from The Borowitz Report Rosie O’Donnell Chosen to Read Audiobook of Mueller ReportBy Andy Borowitz WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—The comedian Rosie O’Donnell will narrate the audiobook of Robert Mueller’s long-awaited report, the special counsel’s office confirmed on Saturday. Explaining the selection of O’Donnell, a spokesperson for Mueller said, “Donald Trump has complained about how much this report has cost, and Rosie has agreed to narrate it for free. In fact, she offered to pay us to let her narrate it.” Speaking to reporters, O’Donnell called the job of narrating Mueller’s report “the acting job of a lifetime.” Complete article here: Rosie O’Donnell Chosen to Read Audiobook of Mueller Report
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 26, 2019 8:06:33 GMT -5
Interesting - the House thinks they have documented proof that Trump told acting attorney general Matthew Whitaker to put his buddy Geoffrey Berman in charge of an investigation into Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen.
Whitaker didn't do it. But Whitaker also testified that the WH never asked him to make any promises or commitments concerning the special counsel's investigation or any other investigation - so he might have perjured himself.
If he did, and they have documents that proved it was perjury, I guess we can count this as yet another professional who got his career killed by being a Trump ally.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 26, 2019 10:04:36 GMT -5
Interesting - the House thinks they have documented proof that Trump told acting attorney general Matthew Whitaker to put his buddy Geoffrey Berman in charge of an investigation into Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen.
Whitaker didn't do it. But Whitaker also testified that the WH never asked him to make any promises or commitments concerning the special counsel's investigation or any other investigation - so he might have perjured himself.
If he did, and they have documents that proved it was perjury, I guess we can count this as yet another professional who got his career killed by being a Trump ally.
"The House thinks". No, Democratic leadership thinks this, and they are still wrong since their first charge against Trump.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 26, 2019 10:09:01 GMT -5
I saw an article this morning that said there are 74 sealed indictments from Mueller's investigation - 57 from 2018 and 17 from 2019.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 26, 2019 10:16:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 10:19:31 GMT -5
What happens if Mueller says there are a few democrats who need to be investigated and he needs direction to go there It will be worth it if the fucker known as trump gets booted out of the White House. It's going to be a very long, next six years, for some.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 26, 2019 10:20:00 GMT -5
Sure. Here's the last couple of paragraphs.
Mueller has publicly indicted 34 people and three companies, while securing guilty pleas from former senior Trump aides Gates, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen.
While Mueller could charge others before closing up shop, it’s also possible that he has already placed more indictments like ticking time bombs into the federal court system. Seventeen cases filed there so far this year remain under seal, as well as another 57 from last year.
All those cases could be unrelated to the Russia probe, but their filing in the same district in which Manafort, Gates, Flynn and Stone were charged makes them worth watching, said Brett Kappel, a Democratic campaign finance lawyer who has been tracking the sealed cases.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 26, 2019 10:24:15 GMT -5
Okay, both our links agree on the number of public indictments. TY!
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2019 10:24:25 GMT -5
It will be worth it if the fucker known as trump gets booted out of the White House. It's going to be a very long, next six years, for some. Fortunately not for us who loathe the criminal.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 26, 2019 11:46:23 GMT -5
Okay, both our links agree on the number of public indictments. TY! Does this mean you accept that those sealed indictments exist? Or is that just fake news, regardless of how many journalists say they exist?
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 26, 2019 11:48:08 GMT -5
Sure. Here's the last couple of paragraphs.
Mueller has publicly indicted 34 people and three companies, while securing guilty pleas from former senior Trump aides Gates, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen.
While Mueller could charge others before closing up shop, it’s also possible that he has already placed more indictments like ticking time bombs into the federal court system. Seventeen cases filed there so far this year remain under seal, as well as another 57 from last year.
All those cases could be unrelated to the Russia probe, but their filing in the same district in which Manafort, Gates, Flynn and Stone were charged makes them worth watching, said Brett Kappel, a Democratic campaign finance lawyer who has been tracking the sealed cases.
They still haven't said who the 'secret' defendant is, the business that's owned by a country that's been trying to avoid testifying (best bet, Russia).
They've been very careful to keep all that under their hat, and I'd love to know what that's about.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 26, 2019 11:49:18 GMT -5
Interesting - the House thinks they have documented proof that Trump told acting attorney general Matthew Whitaker to put his buddy Geoffrey Berman in charge of an investigation into Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen.
Whitaker didn't do it. But Whitaker also testified that the WH never asked him to make any promises or commitments concerning the special counsel's investigation or any other investigation - so he might have perjured himself.
If he did, and they have documents that proved it was perjury, I guess we can count this as yet another professional who got his career killed by being a Trump ally.
"The House thinks". No, Democratic leadership thinks this, and they are still wrong since their first charge against Trump. So you have some secret back door knowledge of all this? You sound so confident.
Or is this just what the talking heads say?
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 26, 2019 12:06:06 GMT -5
Okay, both our links agree on the number of public indictments. TY! Does this mean you accept that those sealed indictments exist? Or is that just fake news, regardless of how many journalists say they exist? How in the heck am I supposed to verify whether secret indictments actually exist? IDNK It is obvious journalists have made facts up as well as taking from their sources that gave them obvious made up leaks in the past. I have no doubt there are probably secret indictments out there, and even less doubt that they include Trump, and any Russian collusion. And of course it goes without saying, just because I said this, does not make it true.......
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 26, 2019 17:55:46 GMT -5
Help me learn here....
What is the purpose(s) of sealed indictments?
Stop the clock on statutes of limitation? Keep names out of the press? Give the people named a chance to bargain? Keep the crime secret so they can catch related criminals?
This is out of my knowledge circle.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 27, 2019 7:58:31 GMT -5
DH suggested last night that if you believe a sitting president can't be indicted, is it possible that Mueller submitted a sealed indictment to be opened when he is no longer president?
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Post by tallguy on Feb 27, 2019 8:30:30 GMT -5
I would certainly think that is the case, particularly if a possible re-election would run out certain statutes of limitations.
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Post by swamp on Feb 27, 2019 9:17:49 GMT -5
Help me learn here.... What is the purpose(s) of sealed indictments? Stop the clock on statutes of limitation? Keep names out of the press? Give the people named a chance to bargain? Keep the crime secret so they can catch related criminals? This is out of my knowledge circle. A sealed indictment comes from an investigation where there is no arrest first. Generally, the subject of the indictment does not know it is coming, although in this case, people know they are being investigated, so their lawyer would file a notice of appearance and ask for notification. A nonsealed indictment is simply when someone is arrested first. There are multiple reasons to use a sealed indictment. So the subject doesn't know they are being investigated. This is common for child sex abuse cases and drug trafficking. So the people don't threaten witnesses or run from the jurisdiction, or destroy evidence. So teh public doesn't know there is an investigation. The speedy trial clock starts ticking when the indictment is filed, but it doesn't affect the statute of limitations. You are actually more limited on plea bargainign on a sealed indictment vs. an open indictment. I can give you a full dissertation on the specifics if you want, or you can just go with the statement. This is just a small snippet of sealed vs. open. If you want more specifics, let me know.
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Post by swamp on Feb 27, 2019 9:19:19 GMT -5
Does this mean you accept that those sealed indictments exist? Or is that just fake news, regardless of how many journalists say they exist? How in the heck am I supposed to verify whether secret indictments actually exist? IDNK It is obvious journalists have made facts up as well as taking from their sources that gave them obvious made up leaks in the past. I have no doubt there are probably secret indictments out there, and even less doubt that they include Trump, and any Russian collusion. And of course it goes without saying, just because I said this, does not make it true....... call the court and ask how many sealed indictments are on file. That is public record. Who they are pertain to is not.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 27, 2019 9:37:38 GMT -5
How in the heck am I supposed to verify whether secret indictments actually exist? IDNK It is obvious journalists have made facts up as well as taking from their sources that gave them obvious made up leaks in the past. I have no doubt there are probably secret indictments out there, and even less doubt that they include Trump, and any Russian collusion. And of course it goes without saying, just because I said this, does not make it true....... call the court and ask how many sealed indictments are on file. That is public record. Who they are pertain to is not. LOL, Could you give me the correct phone number and extension for me? Thanks for the answer. Appreciate this.
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Post by saveinla on Feb 27, 2019 9:54:16 GMT -5
I am worried about how people dismiss whatever they know anymore that it is fake news by journalists than anything else - it's sad when this has become a culture in just 2 years.
It seems that people don't even understand what journalism is.
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Post by swamp on Feb 27, 2019 10:18:03 GMT -5
call the court and ask how many sealed indictments are on file. That is public record. Who they are pertain to is not. LOL, Could you give me the correct phone number and extension for me? Thanks for the answer. Appreciate this. No, sorry, my court contacts are pretty limited. LOl.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 27, 2019 11:21:02 GMT -5
I am worried about how people dismiss whatever they know anymore that it is fake news by journalists than anything else - it's sad when this has become a culture in just 2 years. It seems that people don't even understand what journalism is. I blame all the 'news' websites that aren't really news, but present themselves as news.
I'm not blaming either the far right or the far left, there are extreme websites on both ends. Even the Onion, which is pretty much obvious about being a satirical website, gets mistaken by some people for 'real' news.
I've clicked on links posted on this board claiming to be 'news' only to find out they're a financial services website, where the owner likes to post opinion pieces about current events. That's not news, that's opinion.
I'm not sure how to fix this. Unfortunately, humans like to read stories that confirm their own biases, so these faux websites get a lot of clicks, which is what pays the bills.
"Real" news, which only says what it can prove to be true with multiple sources and avoid editorializing, tends to be a lot more boring.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 27, 2019 11:37:10 GMT -5
It's going to be a long rest of his life for the suspect, Individual #1, also known as Donald Trump! given his fitness, in every sense of the term, those two numbers might not be very different.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 27, 2019 11:39:42 GMT -5
Does this mean you accept that those sealed indictments exist? Or is that just fake news, regardless of how many journalists say they exist? How in the heck am I supposed to verify whether secret indictments actually exist? IDNK It is obvious journalists have made facts up as well as taking from their sources that gave them obvious made up leaks in the past. I have no doubt there are probably secret indictments out there, and even less doubt that they include Trump, and any Russian collusion. And of course it goes without saying, just because I said this, does not make it true....... I don't think that is the least bit obvious.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 27, 2019 11:41:20 GMT -5
DH suggested last night that if you believe a sitting president can't be indicted, is it possible that Mueller submitted a sealed indictment to be opened when he is no longer president?
It also occurred to me that he could be sealing indictments that would trigger his firing.
IE: the arrest of Don, Jr.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 27, 2019 13:15:58 GMT -5
DH suggested last night that if you believe a sitting president can't be indicted, is it possible that Mueller submitted a sealed indictment to be opened when he is no longer president?
It also occurred to me that he could be sealing indictments that would trigger his firing.
IE: the arrest of Don, Jr.
I doubt this. Mueller could care less if he gets fired at this point. He knows Congress has his back at this point. You have to get over collusion from the Trump family with Russia. The real problem Trump's campaign had was they were so oblivious to campaign law and how politicans have to follow procedure. Trump has always been his own boss and I am sure he thought he could do lots of things that are not allowed by law. I am very impressed by the simple fact he has not been caught violating the Federal laws just becaue he probably did not know the laws and ran the campaign on a shoestring without real political campaign managers to keep him out of trouble. It is quite an amazing accomplishment when you think about it.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 27, 2019 17:27:46 GMT -5
It also occurred to me that he could be sealing indictments that would trigger his firing.
IE: the arrest of Don, Jr.
I doubt this. Mueller could care less if he gets fired at this point. He knows Congress has his back at this point. You have to get over collusion from the Trump family with Russia. The real problem Trump's campaign had was they were so oblivious to campaign law and how politicans have to follow procedure. Trump has always been his own boss and I am sure he thought he could do lots of things that are not allowed by law. I am very impressed by the simple fact he has not been caught violating the Federal laws just becaue he probably did not know the laws and ran the campaign on a shoestring without real political campaign managers to keep him out of trouble. It is quite an amazing accomplishment when you think about it. Not been caught YET.
There are currently three different attorney generals investigating how he ran his inauguration events. He spent twice what anyone else spent and had less to show for it - DC is investigating if he double dealed himself (charged his committee high prices for the ball rooms), and Manhattan and NJ are both investigating whether he raised the money legally, especially whether he took money from foreign donors, which is illegal.
They're still subpoenaing documents for all three investigations - and yes, I agree that he probably got himself in trouble on those due to not being knowledgeable about the applicable laws, and not bringing in experienced political people to run the events for him. Ignorance of the law isn't a defense, however.
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