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Post by ednkris on Feb 13, 2019 16:33:40 GMT -5
Sure do..... if negotiating failed which has and will because dems refuse to approve the money, then let it run its course so we can move on. What negotiations failed? They reached a bi-partisan agreement. The only question is whether the man on the golden throne can stop spreading sh*t around and sign the deal. And that guy is by no means of the imagination a "dem" Didn't they just fail and a shutdown happened?
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Post by dondub on Feb 13, 2019 16:35:25 GMT -5
No "they" in Trump. He's the one who failed and shutdown the government. And proudly owned it until it turned into another shit show.
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Post by ednkris on Feb 13, 2019 16:38:55 GMT -5
Trump said that he took all the responsibility for the last shutdown, but this time it would be in the dems. That isn't exactly as I remember it. And he shut it down. Once down the dems owned it they know what needs to be done to open it. Chuck and Nancy wanted Trump to open the govt and deal with the wall later...well he was the better one, he did and now it's later.Time to pay the piper. If there is no money in the deal for a wall then he should take it. Let them sue him and we shall see where it goes. I'm good with that
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 13, 2019 16:56:27 GMT -5
What negotiations failed? They reached a bi-partisan agreement. The only question is whether the man on the golden throne can stop spreading sh*t around and sign the deal. And that guy is by no means of the imagination a "dem" Didn't they just fail and a shutdown happened? You may want to read the link Dezii provided in the third post of this thread: there was a new deal negotiated and agreed to. Whether we will have another shutdown will be determined solely by one person and consequently he, dt, will bear sole responsibility if there is a second shutdown
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Post by ednkris on Feb 13, 2019 17:07:52 GMT -5
Didn't they just fail and a shutdown happened? You may want to read the link Dezii provided in the third post of this thread: there was a new deal negotiated and agreed to. Whether we will have another shutdown will be determined solely by one person and consequently he, dt, will bear sole responsibility if there is a second shutdown i've read it and i know the current situation. My reply was to the last shutdown which is what the poster posted? Again I hope DT signs the deal and reallocates the money for the wall. Let them sue him
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Post by ednkris on Feb 13, 2019 17:14:25 GMT -5
No "they" in Trump. He's the one who failed and shutdown the government. And proudly owned it until it turned into another shit show. no failure he told them what was needed they didn't figure out a way to get it done. He shut it down that was what was needed to be done
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Post by dondub on Feb 13, 2019 17:19:29 GMT -5
You forget that we don't have a king dictator here in America. The Demos have no responsibility for the shutdown at all regardless of how many times Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter etc. propagandize all the doofi in rightyville. And it was not needed to be shutdown just like it's not needed to build a $30 BILLION wall versus more effective interdiction.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 13, 2019 17:55:50 GMT -5
No "they" in Trump. He's the one who failed and shutdown the government. And proudly owned it until it turned into another shit show. no failure he told them what was needed he demanded they didn't figure out a way to get it done. He shut it down that was what was needed to be done. Fixed, and there is no "they didn't figure out a way to get it done" unless you think this is a dictatorship (dt sure seems to feel it should be)
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Post by dondub on Feb 13, 2019 17:57:13 GMT -5
It's a Dramamine day in edworld.
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Post by ednkris on Feb 13, 2019 17:57:14 GMT -5
no failure he told them what was needed he demanded they didn't figure out a way to get it done. He shut it down that was what was needed to be done. Fixed, and there is no "they didn't figure out a way to get it done" unless you think this is a dictatorship (dt sure seems to feel it should be) no its needed
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Post by dondub on Feb 13, 2019 18:02:10 GMT -5
No it's not. But the brainworm sending propaganda impulses is still feeding well.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 13, 2019 18:52:41 GMT -5
Fixed, and there is no "they didn't figure out a way to get it done" unless you think this is a dictatorship (dt sure seems to feel it should be) no its needed PROOF IT! There is plenty of data that show that walls don't work, and many experts (including from those in charge of securing the border) say that walls don't work. For a large part that is because a wall doesn't address the problem (it is the latte factor in the need new annually Ferrari spending habit). However, since you discard all this information, please provide us with actual facts that proof a wall will work.
Oh, and forget about touting the wall in El Paso that your hero likes to talk about → the people that should and actually do know the facts (like the officials from El Paso) went so far as to pass a resolution declaring all those statements to be false.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 13, 2019 19:03:45 GMT -5
Congress is a co-equal branch of government. They don't have to do what he demands any more than he has to do what they demand...until they get a veto proof bill, and then, he has no control.
I am pretty sure he will take the deal. McConnell already told him he can't hold the party together on this one. He may re-allocate. Or he may just say he is reallocating. His base will believe him.
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Post by ednkris on Feb 13, 2019 19:05:50 GMT -5
PROOF IT! There is plenty of data that show that walls don't work, and many experts (including from those in charge of securing the border) say that walls don't work. For a large part that is because a wall doesn't address the problem (it is the latte factor in the need new annually Ferrari spending habit). However, since you discard all this information, please provide us with actual facts that proof a wall will work.
Oh, and forget about touting the wall in El Paso that your hero likes to talk about → the people that should and actually do know the facts (like the officials from El Paso) went so far as to pass a resolution declaring all those statements to be false.
Ireland, India, Isreal there is nothing wrong with keeping people out who don't belong here. Forcing them to come here legally
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2019 19:06:25 GMT -5
Congress is a co-equal branch of government. They don't have to do what he demands any more than he has to do what they demand...until they get a veto proof bill, and then, he has no control. I am pretty sure he will take the deal. McConnell already told him he can't hold the party together on this one. He may re-allocate. Or he may just say he is reallocating. His base will believe him. he can say that an army of Mermen came to him from Atlantis and gave him $5.7B worth of treasure, and they would believe him.
or, to put it another way, he could shoot someone in the middle of Manhattan, and they would not bat an eyelash.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 13, 2019 19:15:04 GMT -5
... He may re-allocate. Or he may just say he is reallocating. His base will believe him. ... Trump again told an audience that the barrier is being built now.
"The wall is very, very on its way," he said. "It’s happening as we speak. We’re building as we speak in the most desperately needed areas. And it’s a big wall. It’s a strong wall." link You mean like this?
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 13, 2019 19:23:45 GMT -5
PROOF IT! There is plenty of data that show that walls don't work, and many experts (including from those in charge of securing the border) say that walls don't work. For a large part that is because a wall doesn't address the problem (it is the latte factor in the need new annually Ferrari spending habit). However, since you discard all this information, please provide us with actual facts that proof a wall will work.
Oh, and forget about touting the wall in El Paso that your hero likes to talk about → the people that should and actually do know the facts (like the officials from El Paso) went so far as to pass a resolution declaring all those statements to be false.
Ireland, India, Isreal there is nothing wrong with keeping people out who don't belong here. Forcing them to come here legally Where is that wall in Ireland? You may have noticed that above that I never said that people should just be able to "overrun the country" as so many of the dt fans like to claim. I asked you specifically to proof that a physical wall will do the job.
Israel does have many border barriers but it is also almost continually in a state of semi-war with its neighbors. So to use that as a good example seems more than a little iffy.
I am not aware of any border walls in India but since you so confidently mention it, I would really be interested in a link to it. I do like to learn new things.
So I repeat my request to you , since you claim that walls work PROOF IT!!!
And lastly, for the umpteenth time, under US law a person can legally ask for asylum at any port of entry. So the "hordes" that we are told to fear are doing nothing but following the law.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2019 19:29:56 GMT -5
Ireland, India, Isreal there is nothing wrong with keeping people out who don't belong here. Forcing them to come here legally Where is that wall in Ireland? You may have noticed that above that I never said that people should just be able to "overrun the country" as so many of the dt fans like to claim. I asked you specifically to proof that a physical wall will do the job.
Israel does have many border barriers but it is also almost continually in a state of semi-war with its neighbors. So to use that as a good example seems more than a little iffy.
I am not aware of any border walls in India but since you so confidently mention it, I would really be interested in a link to it. I do like to learn new things.
So I repeat my request to you , since you claim that walls work PROOF IT!!!
And lastly, for the umpteenth time, under US law a person can legally ask for asylum at any port of entry. So the "hordes" that we are told to fear are doing nothing but following the law.
the best wall example is probably South Africa under Apartheid. Israel is attempting to copy the example with their land confiscation policy. what wonderful company they (and Trump) keep.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 13, 2019 19:32:52 GMT -5
... He may re-allocate. Or he may just say he is reallocating. His base will believe him. ... Trump again told an audience that the barrier is being built now.
"The wall is very, very on its way," he said. "It’s happening as we speak. We’re building as we speak in the most desperately needed areas. And it’s a big wall. It’s a strong wall." link You mean like this? Not only a liar, but: THE.DUMBEST.M*****F*****.IN.ANY.BRANCH.OF.GOVERNMENT.
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Post by dondub on Feb 13, 2019 19:34:05 GMT -5
PROOF IT! There is plenty of data that show that walls don't work, and many experts (including from those in charge of securing the border) say that walls don't work. For a large part that is because a wall doesn't address the problem (it is the latte factor in the need new annually Ferrari spending habit). However, since you discard all this information, please provide us with actual facts that proof a wall will work.
Oh, and forget about touting the wall in El Paso that your hero likes to talk about → the people that should and actually do know the facts (like the officials from El Paso) went so far as to pass a resolution declaring all those statements to be false.
Ireland, India, Isreal there is nothing wrong with keeping people out who don't belong here. Forcing them to come here legally Yet you don't want to start with the 75% that come by plane.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 13, 2019 19:44:30 GMT -5
... He may re-allocate. Or he may just say he is reallocating. His base will believe him. ... Trump again told an audience that the barrier is being built now.
"The wall is very, very on its way," he said. "It’s happening as we speak. We’re building as we speak in the most desperately needed areas. And it’s a big wall. It’s a strong wall." link You mean like this? Maybe he can just tell them he built the walls that are already there. If we all promise to go along with it, it will save the country a bunch of money and hassle.
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Post by ednkris on Feb 13, 2019 20:41:21 GMT -5
Ireland, India, Isreal there is nothing wrong with keeping people out who don't belong here. Forcing them to come here legally Where is that wall in Ireland? You may have noticed that above that I never said that people should just be able to "overrun the country" as so many of the dt fans like to claim. I asked you specifically to proof that a physical wall will do the job.
Israel does have many border barriers but it is also almost continually in a state of semi-war with its neighbors. So to use that as a good example seems more than a little iffy.
I am not aware of any border walls in India but since you so confidently mention it, I would really be interested in a link to it. I do like to learn new things.
So I repeat my request to you , since you claim that walls work PROOF IT!!!
And lastly, for the umpteenth time, under US law a person can legally ask for asylum at any port of entry. So the "hordes" that we are told to fear are doing nothing but following the law.
Ireland probably a poor example it's a religious internal peace wall. India is building one now to keep immigrants out
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Post by ednkris on Feb 13, 2019 20:44:05 GMT -5
Ireland, India, Isreal there is nothing wrong with keeping people out who don't belong here. Forcing them to come here legally Where is that wall in Ireland? You may have noticed that above that I never said that people should just be able to "overrun the country" as so many of the dt fans like to claim. I asked you specifically to proof that a physical wall will do the job.
Israel does have many border barriers but it is also almost continually in a state of semi-war with its neighbors. So to use that as a good example seems more than a little iffy.
I am not aware of any border walls in India but since you so confidently mention it, I would really be interested in a link to it. I do like to learn new things.
So I repeat my request to you , since you claim that walls work PROOF IT!!!
And lastly, for the umpteenth time, under US law a person can legally ask for asylum at any port of entry. So the "hordes" that we are told to fear are doing nothing but following the law.
If they just have to ask for asylum why do they sneak in?
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 13, 2019 21:12:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't put it past Trump to veto it just because he can. I want him to do it and be over ruled.
But I honestly think his strategy now is just to claim he did build the wall. He's going to go along with the same strategy the last few Presidents have used and claim he's doing all new stuff.
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Post by dezii on Feb 13, 2019 21:36:06 GMT -5
Where is that wall in Ireland? You may have noticed that above that I never said that people should just be able to "overrun the country" as so many of the dt fans like to claim. I asked you specifically to proof that a physical wall will do the job.
Israel does have many border barriers but it is also almost continually in a state of semi-war with its neighbors. So to use that as a good example seems more than a little iffy.
I am not aware of any border walls in India but since you so confidently mention it, I would really be interested in a link to it. I do like to learn new things.
So I repeat my request to you , since you claim that walls work PROOF IT!!!
And lastly, for the umpteenth time, under US law a person can legally ask for asylum at any port of entry. So the "hordes" that we are told to fear are doing nothing but following the law.
Ireland probably a poor example it's a religious internal peace wall. India is building one now to keep immigrants out Israel built their physical wall after the incidents of bombings against civiliens in public places...busses, bus stops, restaurants...killing of both Jews and Arabs...old not so old..youngsters by , in most cases, Palestinians...had gotten to be almost a daily occurance...it seems in their case it has proven to be effective...not a 100 % but vast improvement...It has nothing to do about Palestinians being treated fairly or not...just a way of a State taking steps to protect it's population from attacks..
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 13, 2019 21:47:17 GMT -5
Where is that wall in Ireland? You may have noticed that above that I never said that people should just be able to "overrun the country" as so many of the dt fans like to claim. I asked you specifically to proof that a physical wall will do the job.
Israel does have many border barriers but it is also almost continually in a state of semi-war with its neighbors. So to use that as a good example seems more than a little iffy.
I am not aware of any border walls in India but since you so confidently mention it, I would really be interested in a link to it. I do like to learn new things.
So I repeat my request to you , since you claim that walls work PROOF IT!!!
And lastly, for the umpteenth time, under US law a person can legally ask for asylum at any port of entry. So the "hordes" that we are told to fear are doing nothing but following the law.
Ireland probably a poor example it's a religious internal peace wall. India is building one now to keep immigrants out Let me see if I have this right: your proof that a wall works consists of (i) a religious internal peace wall, (ii) the border barriers in Israel that are regularly the scene of violence and death, and (iii) a wall in India that has yet to be build? I know that I will sound "elitist" saying this, but may I suggest that you read up on the Maginot Line. The powers that were at prior to WW II in France thought this was the best/sure fire way to keep the Germans out. Well guess what those blasted Germans just came through Belgium and invaded France. Similarly, most (the vast majority) illegal immigrants do not sneak across the border; they co.e in by plane or boat, or car with valid visas which they then promptly overstay. You are willing to spend our resources (aka tax money) on building the next Maginot line and claim we NEED to do this for our security. How does that make any sense whatsoever?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2019 21:48:49 GMT -5
... Trump again told an audience that the barrier is being built now.
"The wall is very, very on its way," he said. "It’s happening as we speak. We’re building as we speak in the most desperately needed areas. And it’s a big wall. It’s a strong wall." link You mean like this? Not only a liar, but: THE.DUMBEST.M*****F*****.IN.ANY.BRANCH.OF.GOVERNMENT. I could climb any wall he could construct given the opportunity to see it, and a trip to the hardware store.
mind you, I AM in pretty good shape, but nowhere near where I would need to be to climb Everest.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2019 21:50:09 GMT -5
Where is that wall in Ireland? You may have noticed that above that I never said that people should just be able to "overrun the country" as so many of the dt fans like to claim. I asked you specifically to proof that a physical wall will do the job.
Israel does have many border barriers but it is also almost continually in a state of semi-war with its neighbors. So to use that as a good example seems more than a little iffy.
I am not aware of any border walls in India but since you so confidently mention it, I would really be interested in a link to it. I do like to learn new things.
So I repeat my request to you , since you claim that walls work PROOF IT!!!
And lastly, for the umpteenth time, under US law a person can legally ask for asylum at any port of entry. So the "hordes" that we are told to fear are doing nothing but following the law.
If they just have to ask for asylum why do they sneak in? because our asylum system is utterly broken.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2019 21:52:36 GMT -5
Ireland probably a poor example it's a religious internal peace wall. India is building one now to keep immigrants out Let me see if I have this right: your proof that a wall works consists of (i) a religious internal peace wall, (ii) the border barriers in Israel that are regularly the scene of violence and death, and (iii) a wall in India that has yet to be build? I know that I will sound "elitist" saying this, but may I suggest that you read up on the Maginot Line. The powers that were at prior to WW II in France thought this was the best/sure fire way to keep the Germans out. Well guess what those blasted Germans just came through Belgium and invaded France. Similarly, most (the vast majority) illegal immigrants do not sneak across the border; they co.e in by plane or boat, or car with valid visas which they then promptly overstay. You are willing to spend our resources (aka tax money) on building the next Maginot line and claim we NEED to do this for our security. How does that make any sense whatsoever? if it is not already being done, lifting people over the wall in drones is just a matter of time.
edit: yeah. done:
coolmaterial.com/video/drone-that-can-lift-a-person/
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 13, 2019 22:36:16 GMT -5
Let me see if I have this right: your proof that a wall works consists of (i) a religious internal peace wall, (ii) the border barriers in Israel that are regularly the scene of violence and death, and (iii) a wall in India that has yet to be build? I know that I will sound "elitist" saying this, but may I suggest that you read up on the Maginot Line. The powers that were at prior to WW II in France thought this was the best/sure fire way to keep the Germans out. Well guess what those blasted Germans just came through Belgium and invaded France. Similarly, most (the vast majority) illegal immigrants do not sneak across the border; they co.e in by plane or boat, or car with valid visas which they then promptly overstay. You are willing to spend our resources (aka tax money) on building the next Maginot line and claim we NEED to do this for our security. How does that make any sense whatsoever? if it is not already being done, lifting people over the wall in drones is just a matter of time.
edit: yeah. done:
coolmaterial.com/video/drone-that-can-lift-a-person/
Making our "Maginot line" even less effective
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