DeVos linked Charity + Child "Separation"

[djAdvocate]

I recently heard about this, even though the story is apparently (6) months old:

www.snopes.com/news/2018/06/26/bethany-christian-services-family-separation-betsy-devos/

I am puzzled by the lack of press coverage of this issue?  is it "fake news", or is there something to it.

here is the basic gist:

at least SOME of the kids that were forcibly separated from their parents found their way into Bethany, which is charging the guvmint $700/day/child to house them awaiting fostering.  furthermore, since the guvmint apparently is UNABLE TO LOCATE hundreds or thousands of kids, it seems possible (likely?) that these kids were adopted out to Christian families through Bethany. 

if this is true, this is....well, EVIL is the only word I can think of.

two questions for y'allz:

1) is there any evidence that this is TRUE (Snopes seems to think it is).  if so, please post associated material

2) if it IS TRUE, is it not COMPLETELY OUTRAGEOUS?

3) if it is NOT completely outrageous, how did you reach that conclusion?

[dondub]

Christian kidnapping. Not like there isn't a history of it.

[thyme4change]

Those nice white Christians, speading the good works of God, by stealing brown babies and teaching them capitalism and gun culture. Yay!

[Tennesseer]

Bethany Christian Services is currently still in the news.  I am assuming DJ looked for news updates, but just in case:

Bethany: Migrant children still being separated from parents at border

[Rukh O'Rorke]

I know we have all <most of us all anyway> horrified by the entire situation.....but now someone associated with the administration may also be profiting financially from taking the kids away?

It's - god - such a blight on us as a country, as a culture. Terrible.

[weltschmerz]

In the SOTU speech, Trump said that "the USA will cure cancer/HIV once and for all!"

Guess where the money for Trump's kidnapped children is being siphoned from?
Cancer and HIV research.
That's right...using cancer funds to pay for the problems HE caused.

www.kyma.com/news/politics/trump-admin-shifts-260m-to-pay-for-immigrant-child-costs/797614296

Dumbass.

[Tennesseer]

Let's hope that none of the children who cannot be accounted for do not just disappear through closed adoptions.  We don't need another one of the below.

Argentina's 'stolen babies' seek truth, face ghosts

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina – Pedro Sandoval stopped celebrating Mother's Day, Father's Day and even his own birthday after he found out the truth: The mom and dad he knew growing up had stolen him from his biological parents, who were kidnapped, tortured and never heard from again during Argentina's 1976-1983 military dictatorship.

"I'm still jealous of friends who can hug or get into arguments with their parents," said Sandoval, 38, alluding to the biological parents he never met. "But I'm also thankful that I could at least hug my grandfather and grandmother."

Four decades after the ruling military junta launched a systematic plan to steal babies born to political prisoners, Argentina's search for truth is increasingly focused on the 500 or so newborns whisked away and raised by surrogate families. Several hundred have yet to be accounted for.

Complete article here:  Argentina's 'stolen babies' seek truth, face ghosts

[happyhoix]

Feb 9, 2019 18:40:29 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

In the SOTU speech, Trump said that "the USA will cure cancer/HIV once and for all!"

Guess where the money for Trump's kidnapped children is being siphoned from?
Cancer and HIV research.
That's right...using cancer funds to pay for the problems HE caused.

www.kyma.com/news/politics/trump-admin-shifts-260m-to-pay-for-immigrant-child-costs/797614296

Dumbass.

Kind of like how he boasted in his SOTU speech about how he was for the middle class, and then immediately after that, signed a law gutting the consumer protections law that tried to protect the lower middle class from predatory pay day lenders.

It's important to watch what he does, not what he says he will do.

[happyhoix]

I don't know how Betsy or her brother the Dark Prince were raised, but there had to be some demonic shit going on in that house.

Hollow, money grubbing, soulless, lawless entities, both of them.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 9, 2019 17:25:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Bethany Christian Services is currently still in the news.  I am assuming DJ looked for news updates, but just in case:

Bethany: Migrant children still being separated from parents at border

apparently Bethany has been under the lens for a long time, as well, for their "adoption" tactics.

probably since DeVos ran the joynt.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 9, 2019 18:00:57 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

I know we have all <most of us all anyway> horrified by the entire situation.....but now someone associated with the administration may also be profiting financially from taking the kids away?

It's - god - such a blight on us as a country, as a culture. Terrible.

thanks. I am kinda without words for how upsetting this is to me.

I mean, I never liked DeVos.  I will grant you that. but if what I think is happening is true, she may be hate-worthy.

[djAdvocate]

I don't consider this a political issue for the record. I would really like to hear from the conservatives here on this subject, if they have any feelings about it.

[kadee79]

I remember seeing quite a bit about this when the kids were ordered reunited with their parents.  If I remember correctly, and I could be wrong, there were quite a few babies that ended up there...for adoption. I have no idea where to look for what I read several months ago....it's been out of the news cycle too long to be near the top of any searches.


BUT, shouldn't some nice person bring this to the attention of their Democratic House Reps...for possible investigation?  I only have GOPers down here, they won't do anything.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 9, 2019 22:24:22 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

I remember seeing quite a bit about this when the kids were ordered reunited with their parents.  If I remember correctly, and I could be wrong, there were quite a few babies that ended up there...for adoption. I have no idea where to look for what I read several months ago....it's been out of the news cycle too long to be near the top of any searches.


BUT, shouldn't some nice person bring this to the attention of their Democratic House Reps...for possible investigation?  I only have GOPers down here, they won't do anything.

I don't have any recollection of hearing about where THERE was.

here is my whole entire panties-in-a-bunch point:

if it turns out that this whole thing was a ploy to enrich a favored charity of a serving member of the president's cabinet, that is totally outrageous, not only because of the fact of it, the sheer corruption, but because of WHAT is being done to make that money.

it is so horrifying that I can't think of any parallel to it since WW2.

[happyhoix]

Feb 9, 2019 22:34:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 9, 2019 22:24:22 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

I remember seeing quite a bit about this when the kids were ordered reunited with their parents.  If I remember correctly, and I could be wrong, there were quite a few babies that ended up there...for adoption. I have no idea where to look for what I read several months ago....it's been out of the news cycle too long to be near the top of any searches.


BUT, shouldn't some nice person bring this to the attention of their Democratic House Reps...for possible investigation?  I only have GOPers down here, they won't do anything.

I don't have any recollection of hearing about where THERE was.

here is my whole entire panties-in-a-bunch point:

if it turns out that this whole thing was a ploy to enrich a favored charity of a serving member of the president's cabinet, that is totally outrageous, not only because of the fact of it, the sheer corruption, but because of WHAT is being done to make that money.

it is so horrifying that I can't think of any parallel to it since WW2.

Tennessee Children's Home Society operated up until about 1950, stole poor children from their families and adopted them out to wealthy people, with the owner, Georgia Tann, scooping up 80-90 percent of the adoption fees. She paid off the local sheriff's to keep them from doing anything when the parents tried to get their kids back. Tann died before she could be prosecuted. Hundreds of kids died in her custody, and since Tann destroyed the records, thousand were never able to find out who their bio parents were. Pretty horrible, but at least it wasn't a member of the cabinet behaving this way.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 9, 2019 22:55:25 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Feb 9, 2019 22:34:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I don't have any recollection of hearing about where THERE was.

here is my whole entire panties-in-a-bunch point:

if it turns out that this whole thing was a ploy to enrich a favored charity of a serving member of the president's cabinet, that is totally outrageous, not only because of the fact of it, the sheer corruption, but because of WHAT is being done to make that money.

it is so horrifying that I can't think of any parallel to it since WW2.

Tennessee Children's Home Society operated up until about 1950, stole poor children from their families and adopted them out to wealthy people, with the owner, Georgia Tann, scooping up 80-90 percent of the adoption fees. She paid off the local sheriff's to keep them from doing anything when the parents tried to get their kids back. Tann died before she could be prosecuted. Hundreds of kids died in her custody, and since Tann destroyed the records, thousand were never able to find out who their bio parents were. Pretty horrible, but at least it wasn't a member of the cabinet behaving this way.

You bring up Georgia Tann and the (Memphis) Tennessee Children's Home Society: read a fictionalized novel based on facts and Tann last year called Before We Were Yours by Lisa Wingate. How Tann operated. Good read.

[kadee79]

Feb 9, 2019 22:34:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 9, 2019 22:24:22 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

I remember seeing quite a bit about this when the kids were ordered reunited with their parents.  If I remember correctly, and I could be wrong, there were quite a few babies that ended up there...for adoption. I have no idea where to look for what I read several months ago....it's been out of the news cycle too long to be near the top of any searches.


BUT, shouldn't some nice person bring this to the attention of their Democratic House Reps...for possible investigation?  I only have GOPers down here, they won't do anything.

I don't have any recollection of hearing about where THERE was.

here is my whole entire panties-in-a-bunch point:

if it turns out that this whole thing was a ploy to enrich a favored charity of a serving member of the president's cabinet, that is totally outrageous, not only because of the fact of it, the sheer corruption, but because of WHAT is being done to make that money.

it is so horrifying that I can't think of any parallel to it since WW2.

THERE was Bethany Christian Services.  There were several articles one stating that they, Bethany, claimed they couldn't find the parents to many of the children in their care...like I said, it was back months ago and I'm not up to doing all the research...still recovering from heart surgery.

[happyhoix]

Feb 10, 2019 0:16:40 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 9, 2019 22:55:25 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Tennessee Children's Home Society operated up until about 1950, stole poor children from their families and adopted them out to wealthy people, with the owner, Georgia Tann, scooping up 80-90 percent of the adoption fees. She paid off the local sheriff's to keep them from doing anything when the parents tried to get their kids back. Tann died before she could be prosecuted. Hundreds of kids died in her custody, and since Tann destroyed the records, thousand were never able to find out who their bio parents were. Pretty horrible, but at least it wasn't a member of the cabinet behaving this way.

You bring up Georgia Tann and the (Memphis) Tennessee Children's Home Society: read a fictionalized novel based on facts and Tann last year called Before We Were Yours by Lisa Wingate. How Tann operated. Good read.

Just read it last month with my book club, that's how I knew about it.

I could have done without the whole romance thing with the grand daughter, but the rest of the story was good.

I'm not a chick lit chick - don't like romances.

[NastyWoman]

Feb 9, 2019 18:00:57 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

I know we have all <most of us all anyway> horrified by the entire situation.....but now someone associated with the administration may also be profiting financially from taking the kids away?

It's - god - such a blight on us as a country, as a culture. Terrible.

The government mantra under the "leadership" of the man on the golden throne  is: government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich 

[djAdvocate]

Feb 9, 2019 22:55:25 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Feb 9, 2019 22:34:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I don't have any recollection of hearing about where THERE was.

here is my whole entire panties-in-a-bunch point:

if it turns out that this whole thing was a ploy to enrich a favored charity of a serving member of the president's cabinet, that is totally outrageous, not only because of the fact of it, the sheer corruption, but because of WHAT is being done to make that money.

it is so horrifying that I can't think of any parallel to it since WW2.

Tennessee Children's Home Society operated up until about 1950, stole poor children from their families and adopted them out to wealthy people, with the owner, Georgia Tann, scooping up 80-90 percent of the adoption fees. She paid off the local sheriff's to keep them from doing anything when the parents tried to get their kids back. Tann died before she could be prosecuted. Hundreds of kids died in her custody, and since Tann destroyed the records, thousand were never able to find out who their bio parents were. Pretty horrible, but at least it wasn't a member of the cabinet behaving this way.

oooooh,,,,,,,,dayum.......did you just say that outloud?