The man "WANTS"...well I and a majority of Americans have

[dezii]

wants too....Border security yes....A $25 to $50 Billion dollar wall....No….also majority of Americans not happy with the job the POTUS  is doing...many want him gone..

[not sure if it's a majority]…

Most of us realized we don't always get what we want...why can't our supreme leader feel that way too.[sigh]
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"Trump says he won't sign stopgap funding bill amid border wall showdown: Ryan originally appeared on abcnews.go.com


House Speaker Paul Ryan emerged from a last-minute White House meeting Thursday between President Donald Trump and House Republicans to say that the president told them he will refuse to sign a stopgap funding bill as it's currently written -- a measure that would avert a shutdown before a Friday midnight deadline."
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www.yahoo.com/news/

[andi9899]

I saw on MSN today that one supporter started a Go Fund Me page for the wall.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Dec 20, 2018 15:42:02 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I saw on MSN today that one supporter started a Go Fund Me page for the wall.

Something like 750K. I wonder if it will find its way into Trump's pocket?

Never mind. Somehow I thought I saw 750k, and it is 5 mil.

[andi9899]

Dec 20, 2018 15:54:11 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Dec 20, 2018 15:42:02 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I saw on MSN today that one supporter started a Go Fund Me page for the wall.

Something like 750K. I wonder if it will find its way into Trump's pocket?

Never mind. Somehow I thought I saw 750k, and it is 5 mil.

The page has received $750K in donations so far, but $5mil is needed. The supporter did the math and said if everyone who voted for Trump would just donate $80 that it could be done. Eye roll.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Dec 20, 2018 16:37:41 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Dec 20, 2018 15:54:11 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Something like 750K. I wonder if it will find its way into Trump's pocket?

Never mind. Somehow I thought I saw 750k, and it is 5 mil.

The page has received $750K in donations so far, but $5mil is needed. The supporter did the math and said if everyone who voted for Trump would just donate $80 that it could be done. Eye roll.

No, they have actually raised over 5 million already:


www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-gofundme-campaign-is-raising-funds-to-pay-for-the-border-wall-%E2%80%94-and-it-has-already-raised-more-than-dollar5-million/ar-BBRbKS2

[andi9899]

Dec 20, 2018 16:54:52 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Dec 20, 2018 16:37:41 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The page has received $750K in donations so far, but $5mil is needed. The supporter did the math and said if everyone who voted for Trump would just donate $80 that it could be done. Eye roll.

No, they have actually raised over 5 million already:


www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-gofundme-campaign-is-raising-funds-to-pay-for-the-border-wall-%E2%80%94-and-it-has-already-raised-more-than-dollar5-million/ar-BBRbKS2

Ok, so I was wrong. I read it again and $5bil was needed and they've raised $5mil now. At the time I read it, it was up to $750K. That went fast.

[tbop77]

Good! If Mexico isn't going to pay for it, as promised by President Trump, let his voters!  Then, maybe they can fund the middle class tax cuts and the beautiful health care law as promised. Oh, and pay off the debt!

[billisonboard]

Dec 20, 2018 16:37:41 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

... $5mil is needed. ...

No. It isn't $5 million or even $5 billion.

In total, the actual physical cost of the wall would be about $25 billion.

 www.foxnews.com/opinion/trumps-border-wall-how-much-it-will-actually-cost-according-to-a-statistician

[busymom]

What a "nice" Christmas present for all of the government workers who are required to work, without a paycheck, until a new budget is approved.  While he leaves town to go play golf.  I'd be fine with him taking his marbles & going home if it didn't mess with the lives of so many...  

[kadee79]

There will be a problem with the GoFundMe....

Excerpt from post on facebook by Jim Wright (of  Stonekettle Station)...I don't have a link, found this elsewhere...

I mean, you CAN give money to the US Treasury. And people do.

There's a whole US Treasury department for handling such donations.

The Bureau of the Fiscal Service:

"Citizens who wish to make a general donation to the U.S. government may send contributions to a specific account called 'Gifts to the United States.'"

"This account was established in 1843 to accept gifts, such as bequests, from individuals wishing to express their patriotism to the United States. Money deposited into this account is for general use by the federal government and can be available for budget needs."

Wait, what was that last bit?

"These contributions are considered an unconditional gift to the government. Financial gifts can be made by check or money order payable to the United States Treasury and mailed to the address below.

Gifts to the United States


U.S. Department of the Treasury

Funds Management Branch

P.O. Box 1328

Parkersburg, WV 26106-1328"


No, no. Back up, what was that bit about "general use by the federal government?"

Oh, yeah. That.

You can donate money to the federal government, but you can't specify how the government spends it.

The government can't accept financial gifts with conditions. Thus, that line about "unconditional gift."

You can give the money to the US. But you can't put conditions on it.

If you put conditions on the donation, the government can't accept it. By law.

CONGRESS decides how to spend the money. Congress can ONLY spend money through legislation, which the president must sign into law.

It's right there in the Constitution.

Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7: "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time."

By law, Congress controls the power of the purse.

[kadee79]

And if it is given to DT personally, where do you think it will end up?

[Tennesseer]

Dec 20, 2018 18:10:12 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

And if it is given to DT personally, where do you think it will end up?

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Dec 20, 2018 18:10:12 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

And if it is given to DT personally, where do you think it will end up?

See reply #2.  

[hurley1980]

I read the GoFundMe set up by the guy. He's a vet who lost 3 limbs. I can't figure out how he can have so much faith in Trump to protect this country, when the 4 star generals that he served under are resigning because they have absolutely no faith in Trump at all!  I wonder if he also thinks Trump is smarter than the generals? I just can't figure out people like him, and those that are donating.  Do they not care that trump PROMISED Mexico would pay for the wall?!?!

[hurley1980]

Ahhhhh there it is. I figured if I dug deep enough I'd find this guys mental issues. He's a right wing conspiracy theorist.

www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/founder-viral-fundraiser-trump-s-border-wall-has-fake-news-n950636

[Tennesseer]

Dec 20, 2018 20:10:19 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Ahhhhh there it is. I figured if I dug deep enough I'd find this guys mental issues. He's a right wing conspiracy theorist.

www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/founder-viral-fundraiser-trump-s-border-wall-has-fake-news-n950636

Kolfage lives in Florida and said this. From the article: "like ones claiming Hillary Clinton was secretly hiding deadly illnesses..."

Now where from Florida have we heard that lie before.
 

[andi9899]

Dec 20, 2018 19:53:31 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I read the GoFundMe set up by the guy. He's a vet who lost 3 limbs. I can't figure out how he can have so much faith in Trump to protect this country, when the 4 star generals that he served under are resigning because they have absolutely no faith in Trump at all!  I wonder if he also thinks Trump is smarter than the generals? I just can't figure out people like him, and those that are donating.  Do they not care that trump PROMISED Mexico would pay for the wall?!?!

Probably not. They don't care that he has no respect for women. That he lies at every chance he gets. That he assaulted women and then shrugged it off. That he made this huge deal out of chain migration and then turned around and got his wife's family citizenship by doing exactly that. That he separated families and treated them inhumanely. That he hasn't made good on a single promise he made during his campaign. I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture.

[Value Buy]

Half way there!

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-won%E2%80%99t-sign-senate-deal-to-avert-shutdown-demands-funds-for-border-security/ar-BBRdCbp?li=BBnb7Kz

[justme]

Dec 20, 2018 21:41:01 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Half way there!

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-won%E2%80%99t-sign-senate-deal-to-avert-shutdown-demands-funds-for-border-security/ar-BBRdCbp?li=BBnb7Kz

They've raised 12 billion? That was fast.

[Gardening Grandma]

Dec 20, 2018 21:41:01 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Half way there!

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-won%E2%80%99t-sign-senate-deal-to-avert-shutdown-demands-funds-for-border-security/ar-BBRdCbp?li=BBnb7Kz

Cool! The racists can pay for their own damn wall. No need to shut down the gov’t

[Great]

Dec 20, 2018 17:19:32 GMT -5 busymom said:

What a "nice" Christmas present for all of the government workers who are required to work, without a paycheck, until a new budget is approved.  While he leaves town to go play golf.  I'd be fine with him taking his marbles & going home if it didn't mess with the lives of so many...  

wow.  
Have you thought as much about the families who have had loved ones killed at the hands of criminal illegal immigrants?  The emptiness and sorrow of not having the lost loved one not gathered with the family?  The drugs brought over the border that destroys lives, gang members?
The time has come to secure the border and stop those with bad intent, the ones that will never contribute as much as they take.

The immigrants that come for a better life, they need to do so in a legal manner, follow the laws as written. This really isn't too much to ask, that they can contribute in positive ways, like so many others that have followed the legal process as required.

[Great]

Dec 20, 2018 22:03:23 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Dec 20, 2018 21:41:01 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Half way there!

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-won%E2%80%99t-sign-senate-deal-to-avert-shutdown-demands-funds-for-border-security/ar-BBRdCbp?li=BBnb7Kz

Cool! The racists can pay for their own damn wall. No need to shut down the gov’t

Can you further explain your racist comment? Only racists want to secure the border?
It seems to me criminal illegal immigrants have no boundaries in who they kill or cause harm. I see victims of different ages, races, gender, socio economics, religions. Please explain how any of the victims from every background imaginable, makes securing the border a racist issue. Thank you.

[andi9899]

Dec 21, 2018 6:33:00 GMT -5 Great said:

Dec 20, 2018 17:19:32 GMT -5 busymom said:

What a "nice" Christmas present for all of the government workers who are required to work, without a paycheck, until a new budget is approved.  While he leaves town to go play golf.  I'd be fine with him taking his marbles & going home if it didn't mess with the lives of so many...  

wow.  
Have you thought as much about the families who have had loved ones killed at the hands of criminal illegal immigrants?  The emptiness and sorrow of not having the lost loved one not gathered with the family?  The drugs brought over the border that destroys lives, gang members?
The time has come to secure the border and stop those with bad intent, the ones that will never contribute as much as they take.

The immigrants that come for a better life, they need to do so in a legal manner, follow the laws as written. This really isn't too much to ask, that they can contribute in positive ways, like so many others that have followed the legal process as required.

American citizens commit a lot more of those crimes here than illegal immigrants do. The trick to staying here illegally is to fly under the radar and keep your nose clean.

And yes, people should be able to immigrate legally. How is a wall going to fix that? Would that money not be better spent on fixing the immigration system instead of building a wall?

[Value Buy]

Dec 21, 2018 7:29:16 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Dec 21, 2018 6:33:00 GMT -5 Great said:

wow.  
Have you thought as much about the families who have had loved ones killed at the hands of criminal illegal immigrants?  The emptiness and sorrow of not having the lost loved one not gathered with the family?  The drugs brought over the border that destroys lives, gang members?
The time has come to secure the border and stop those with bad intent, the ones that will never contribute as much as they take.

The immigrants that come for a better life, they need to do so in a legal manner, follow the laws as written. This really isn't too much to ask, that they can contribute in positive ways, like so many others that have followed the legal process as required.

American citizens commit a lot more of those crimes here than illegal immigrants do. The trick to staying here illegally is to fly under the radar and keep your nose clean.

And yes, people should be able to immigrate legally. How is a wall going to fix that? Would that money not be better spent on fixing the immigration system instead of building a wall?

Hopefully we have more "citizens" than illegals, so I am not surprised by the fact citizens commit more crimes, even on a percentage basis. When caught, citizens have a higher bar to pay via bond payment, and not being a flight risk because of the financial burden of bail. Illegals just disappear while waiting trial after posting bond.
Last paragraph,,,,,evidently you do not understand immigration procedures or do not care. There are procedures in place to come in the country legally.

[busymom]

Dec 21, 2018 6:33:00 GMT -5 Great said:

Dec 20, 2018 17:19:32 GMT -5 busymom said:

What a "nice" Christmas present for all of the government workers who are required to work, without a paycheck, until a new budget is approved.  While he leaves town to go play golf.  I'd be fine with him taking his marbles & going home if it didn't mess with the lives of so many...  

wow.  
Have you thought as much about the families who have had loved ones killed at the hands of criminal illegal immigrants?  The emptiness and sorrow of not having the lost loved one not gathered with the family?  The drugs brought over the border that destroys lives, gang members?
The time has come to secure the border and stop those with bad intent, the ones that will never contribute as much as they take.

The immigrants that come for a better life, they need to do so in a legal manner, follow the laws as written. This really isn't too much to ask, that they can contribute in positive ways, like so many others that have followed the legal process as required.

     I don't doubt that some criminals do cross the border.  But, it seems most of the crime in our country comes from people born & raised here.  And, how do you propose we pay for a wall? The president handed a HUGE refund to the very rich, with no plans how to pay for it.  And now, we're supposed to pay a huge amount of money for a wall, which, in time, the criminals WILL figure out how to breach.  I believe the only people it'll keep out is those who have no intention of doing harm, who just want to get away from whatever is wrong with their country of birth.

     I do know people who work for the government for a living.  None of them are rich.  And, I do expect a number of them live from paycheck to paycheck.  How long could you work, without getting paid, before you'd start having problems?

[Great]

Dec 21, 2018 7:29:16 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Dec 21, 2018 6:33:00 GMT -5 Great said:

wow.  
Have you thought as much about the families who have had loved ones killed at the hands of criminal illegal immigrants?  The emptiness and sorrow of not having the lost loved one not gathered with the family?  The drugs brought over the border that destroys lives, gang members?
The time has come to secure the border and stop those with bad intent, the ones that will never contribute as much as they take.

The immigrants that come for a better life, they need to do so in a legal manner, follow the laws as written. This really isn't too much to ask, that they can contribute in positive ways, like so many others that have followed the legal process as required.

American citizens commit a lot more of those crimes here than illegal immigrants do. The trick to staying here illegally is to fly under the radar and keep your nose clean.

And yes, people should be able to immigrate legally. How is a wall going to fix that? Would that money not be better spent on fixing the immigration system instead of building a wall?

We/USA don't even know how many illegal immigrants are in this country, this makes the number game difficult to impossible to come up with a statistic IMO. There are more USA citizens than illegal immigrants that I would agree to.

People are able to immigrate legally to the USA, they follow the laws and go through the process. I don't understand your comment that they should be able to immigrate legally, when in fact they can.  I assisted my daughter in law every step of the way through the immigration process to obtain a permanent resident green card, social security number and drivers license, its a process that takes time and requires following the rules.

Securing the border with a wall is just one component to stop illegal immigration, technology and border agents are needed as well. In addition, fixing and making the immigration system better is also money well spent. Its not a one thing fixes all situation to me, it will be a combination of all that is necessary. 

The illegals that fly under the radar, are still here illegally and need to go through the process and make it right with our laws. They should not be allowed to stay when so many others are following the process as required to be here legally. Sorry, no passes for the illegals. 

[andi9899]

Dec 21, 2018 8:00:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 21, 2018 7:29:16 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

American citizens commit a lot more of those crimes here than illegal immigrants do. The trick to staying here illegally is to fly under the radar and keep your nose clean.

And yes, people should be able to immigrate legally. How is a wall going to fix that? Would that money not be better spent on fixing the immigration system instead of building a wall?

Hopefully we have more "citizens" than illegals, so I am not surprised by the fact citizens commit more crimes, even on a percentage basis. When caught, citizens have a higher bar to pay via bond payment, and not being a flight risk because of the financial burden of bail. Illegals just disappear while waiting trial after posting bond.
Last paragraph,,,,,evidently you do not understand immigration procedures or do not care. There are procedures in place to come in the country legally.

You really do need to educate yourself. I've told you this multiple times and can only explain it to you so many times. Do you really think an illegal immigrant isn't a flight risk and would just be let go to await a trail on their own recognizance? No. They are jailed and once they served the time they are deported. They are judged more harshly than any American citizen would ever be.

There are procedures in place to come here illegally. That system is beyond broken and needs a complete overhaul, not a wall. DT's supporters tend to be short sighted and racist such as yourself and can't look past the nose on their faces and realize that the system is flawed. Instead they only see black and white and their skewed vision of the world is the only one that can possibly be right. Again, such as yourself.

[andi9899]

Dec 21, 2018 8:12:35 GMT -5 Great said:

Dec 21, 2018 7:29:16 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

American citizens commit a lot more of those crimes here than illegal immigrants do. The trick to staying here illegally is to fly under the radar and keep your nose clean.

And yes, people should be able to immigrate legally. How is a wall going to fix that? Would that money not be better spent on fixing the immigration system instead of building a wall?

We/USA don't even know how many illegal immigrants are in this country, this makes the number game difficult to impossible to come up with a statistic IMO. There are more USA citizens than illegal immigrants that I would agree to.

People are able to immigrate legally to the USA, they follow the laws and go through the process. I don't understand your comment that they should be able to immigrate legally, when in fact they can.  I assisted my daughter in law every step of the way through the immigration process to obtain a permanent resident green card, social security number and drivers license, its a process that takes time and requires following the rules.

Securing the border with a wall is just one component to stop illegal immigration, technology and border agents are needed as well. In addition, fixing and making the immigration system better is also money well spent. Its not a one thing fixes all situation to me, it will be a combination of all that is necessary. 

The illegals that fly under the radar, are still here illegally and need to go through the process and make it right with our laws. They should not be allowed to stay when so many others are following the process as required to be here legally. Sorry, no passes for the illegals. 

Please read my response to AS, no need to type it out twice.

[andi9899]

I am Mexican and am involved heavily in the Hispanic community so I know a lot of Hispanics who are here legally and illegally. Do you know what the illegal ones do? They come here and work jobs you would never do for pay that you would never work for. They live cheap and send money back to their families in their countries of origin. They're hard working people who do a lot of things that a lot of citizens won't do because it's easier to get welfare and live off the government. Illegals don't get that luxury.

[Great]

andi9899   clarifying that the response you are referring to as AS is your reply number 26 to value buy?
It may be later this evening before I can check back in to respond. Thank you.