Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

[Tennesseer]

Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

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When violence erupted during a white-nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, one year ago this weekend, President Trump was slow to respond. When he did, his response was shockingly diffident, condemning the “egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides.”

The president was faster to comment on the anniversary of the march. Saturday morning, he tweeted:

Donald J. Trump

✔@realdonaldtrump

The riots in Charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division. We must come together as a nation. I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. Peace to ALL Americans!

8:26 AM - Aug 11, 2018

Nazis and open white supremacists may not constitute a significant portion of the president’s base, but white voters who nurse racial resentments and anxieties are. As a result, Trump has an interest in soft-pedaling any criticism of the Nazis themselves, and of encouraging the racial resentments, concluding there’s more to be gained from that than there is to be lost by condemning white supremacists. The result is an American president who can’t bring himself to condemn Nazis as Nazis.

Complete article here: Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

[toomuchreality]

I find so much about what he does/does not do and say questionable.

[dezii]

Aug 12, 2018 2:11:49 GMT -5 toomuchreality said:

I find so much about what he does/does not do and say questionable.

I find that , according to most recent polls, 90% of Republicans, approve of his actions and his presidency, now that is questionable to me.  [sheesh..]

[Gardening Grandma]

He can’t/ won’t condemn Nazis because that would alienate his base.

[countrygirl2]

And just think how horrible that is, to even have to think that way.

[Value Buy]

Aug 13, 2018 6:30:09 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

60 Minutes just rebroadcast a story last night about lynchings in the US, and a museum to commemorate them.  Over 5,000 recorded and many more not.  
I bring this up because of the pictures that they showed of the public "executions", with hundreds or even thousands of townfolk turned out to watch the "show".  In some of the pictures the families are all present in their Sunday best, smiling broadly as corpses, sometimes burned, sway in the background.  They were so popular that some were sent as postcards.

I guess my point is that there is always a subset of nasty, nasty people, hateful and teaching hatred to their kids.  Trump knows this and exploits it.  Why would he condemn Nazis?  Their most foul tendencies dwell in the hearts of many of his supporters.

Yes, this history is horrible, and should not be forgotten, and should be documented for posterity, but you fail to mention how many white people were hung in your neck of the woods for practicing witchcraft. How many innocent people throughout our short history were lynched without a trial? Let's not forget hangings in the big cities over the first 150 years of our history where people were hanged.
It is not like only black people were mistreated........now label me a racist, when I hust point out white p[eople being hung for decades here in the good ole USA

[Tennesseer]

Aug 13, 2018 10:24:22 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 13, 2018 6:30:09 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

60 Minutes just rebroadcast a story last night about lynchings in the US, and a museum to commemorate them.  Over 5,000 recorded and many more not.  
I bring this up because of the pictures that they showed of the public "executions", with hundreds or even thousands of townfolk turned out to watch the "show".  In some of the pictures the families are all present in their Sunday best, smiling broadly as corpses, sometimes burned, sway in the background.  They were so popular that some were sent as postcards.

I guess my point is that there is always a subset of nasty, nasty people, hateful and teaching hatred to their kids.  Trump knows this and exploits it.  Why would he condemn Nazis?  Their most foul tendencies dwell in the hearts of many of his supporters.

Yes, this history is horrible, and should not be forgotten, and should be documented for posterity, but you fail to mention how many white people were hung in your neck of the woods for practicing witchcraft. How many innocent people throughout our short history were lynched without a trial? Let's not forget hangings in the big cities over the first 150 years of our history where people were hanged.
It is not like only black people were mistreated........now label me a racist, when I hust point out white p[eople being hung for decades here in the good ole USA

Christianity.

[happyhoix]

Aug 13, 2018 10:24:22 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 13, 2018 6:30:09 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

60 Minutes just rebroadcast a story last night about lynchings in the US, and a museum to commemorate them.  Over 5,000 recorded and many more not.  
I bring this up because of the pictures that they showed of the public "executions", with hundreds or even thousands of townfolk turned out to watch the "show".  In some of the pictures the families are all present in their Sunday best, smiling broadly as corpses, sometimes burned, sway in the background.  They were so popular that some were sent as postcards.

I guess my point is that there is always a subset of nasty, nasty people, hateful and teaching hatred to their kids.  Trump knows this and exploits it.  Why would he condemn Nazis?  Their most foul tendencies dwell in the hearts of many of his supporters.

Yes, this history is horrible, and should not be forgotten, and should be documented for posterity, but you fail to mention how many white people were hung in your neck of the woods for practicing witchcraft. How many innocent people throughout our short history were lynched without a trial? Let's not forget hangings in the big cities over the first 150 years of our history where people were hanged.
It is not like only black people were mistreated........now label me a racist, when I hust point out white p[eople being hung for decades here in the good ole USA

Certainly there were innocent white people who got wrongly accused of rape or horse theft or murder, but none were so casually lynched for so little offense as black people. It was all part of the suppression campaign to make sure the blacks didn't get 'uppity' and think they had the right to vote, or earn a living wage, or the right to look at a pretty (white) woman, or any of the other hundreds of rights black people were denied.

If there was a point in our short history where white men as a class had to be frightened into obedience by the occasional lynching of a random white man, I would love to hear about it.

[phil5185]

If there was a point in our short history where white men as a class had to be frightened into obedience by the occasional lynching of a random white man, I would love to hear about it.

"Irish need not apply" 1860s

[saveinla]

Aug 13, 2018 11:40:57 GMT -5 phil5185 said:

If there was a point in our short history where white men as a class had to be frightened into obedience by the occasional lynching of a random white man, I would love to hear about it.

"Irish need not apply" 1860s

Was it done by the black community?

[saveinla]

Aug 13, 2018 10:24:22 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 13, 2018 6:30:09 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

60 Minutes just rebroadcast a story last night about lynchings in the US, and a museum to commemorate them.  Over 5,000 recorded and many more not.  
I bring this up because of the pictures that they showed of the public "executions", with hundreds or even thousands of townfolk turned out to watch the "show".  In some of the pictures the families are all present in their Sunday best, smiling broadly as corpses, sometimes burned, sway in the background.  They were so popular that some were sent as postcards.

I guess my point is that there is always a subset of nasty, nasty people, hateful and teaching hatred to their kids.  Trump knows this and exploits it.  Why would he condemn Nazis?  Their most foul tendencies dwell in the hearts of many of his supporters.

Yes, this history is horrible, and should not be forgotten, and should be documented for posterity, but you fail to mention how many white people were hung in your neck of the woods for practicing witchcraft. How many innocent people throughout our short history were lynched without a trial? Let's not forget hangings in the big cities over the first 150 years of our history where people were hanged.
It is not like only black people were mistreated........now label me a racist, when I hust point out white p[eople being hung for decades here in the good ole USA

Who hung them? I think there is a big difference on who did the hanging and why it was done?

[Pants]

Aug 13, 2018 10:24:22 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 13, 2018 6:30:09 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

60 Minutes just rebroadcast a story last night about lynchings in the US, and a museum to commemorate them.  Over 5,000 recorded and many more not.  
I bring this up because of the pictures that they showed of the public "executions", with hundreds or even thousands of townfolk turned out to watch the "show".  In some of the pictures the families are all present in their Sunday best, smiling broadly as corpses, sometimes burned, sway in the background.  They were so popular that some were sent as postcards.

I guess my point is that there is always a subset of nasty, nasty people, hateful and teaching hatred to their kids.  Trump knows this and exploits it.  Why would he condemn Nazis?  Their most foul tendencies dwell in the hearts of many of his supporters.

Yes, this history is horrible, and should not be forgotten, and should be documented for posterity, but you fail to mention how many white people were hung in your neck of the woods for practicing witchcraft. How many innocent people throughout our short history were lynched without a trial? Let's not forget hangings in the big cities over the first 150 years of our history where people were hanged.
It is not like only black people were mistreated........now label me a racist, when I hust point out white p[eople being hung for decades here in the good ole USA

Don't worry, VB, I labeled you a racist long ago. This impacts my opinion of you not at all! 

[hurley1980]

Aug 13, 2018 10:24:22 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 13, 2018 6:30:09 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

60 Minutes just rebroadcast a story last night about lynchings in the US, and a museum to commemorate them.  Over 5,000 recorded and many more not.  
I bring this up because of the pictures that they showed of the public "executions", with hundreds or even thousands of townfolk turned out to watch the "show".  In some of the pictures the families are all present in their Sunday best, smiling broadly as corpses, sometimes burned, sway in the background.  They were so popular that some were sent as postcards.

I guess my point is that there is always a subset of nasty, nasty people, hateful and teaching hatred to their kids.  Trump knows this and exploits it.  Why would he condemn Nazis?  Their most foul tendencies dwell in the hearts of many of his supporters.

Yes, this history is horrible, and should not be forgotten, and should be documented for posterity, but you fail to mention how many white people were hung in your neck of the woods for practicing witchcraft. How many innocent people throughout our short history were lynched without a trial? Let's not forget hangings in the big cities over the first 150 years of our history where people were hanged.
It is not like only black people were mistreated........now label me a racist, when I hust point out white p[eople being hung for decades here in the good ole USA

This is all you needed to say.  I'm so sick of the "buts" that seem to come with every response from the right. 

[Gardening Grandma]

Aug 13, 2018 12:16:01 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Aug 13, 2018 10:24:22 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Yes, this history is horrible, and should not be forgotten, and should be documented for posterity, but you fail to mention how many white people were hung in your neck of the woods for practicing witchcraft. How many innocent people throughout our short history were lynched without a trial? Let's not forget hangings in the big cities over the first 150 years of our history where people were hanged.
It is not like only black people were mistreated........now label me a racist, when I hust point out white p[eople being hung for decades here in the good ole USA

This is all you needed to say.  I'm so sick of the "buts" that seem to come with every response from the right. 

Whataboutism

[dezii]

Aug 13, 2018 12:40:22 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Aug 13, 2018 12:16:01 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

This is all you needed to say.  I'm so sick of the "buts" that seem to come with every response from the right. 

Whataboutism

That too...in a way have to give him credit for having the balls to actually post such a excuse...the " but what about the yadda, yadda "...doubt such a defense would be voiced in the real world but here in the small world we inhabitate…....one can get away with such BS.

[Tiny]

Aug 13, 2018 9:41:30 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

He can’t/ won’t condemn Nazis because that would alienate his base.

And please realize that it's just not his 'base' in the general population.   It's also the people he's installed in positions of power and the people who were already in office.     

[Tiny]

Aug 13, 2018 12:16:01 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Aug 13, 2018 10:24:22 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Yes, this history is horrible, and should not be forgotten, and should be documented for posterity, but you fail to mention how many white people were hung in your neck of the woods for practicing witchcraft. How many innocent people throughout our short history were lynched without a trial? Let's not forget hangings in the big cities over the first 150 years of our history where people were hanged.
It is not like only black people were mistreated........now label me a racist, when I hust point out white p[eople being hung for decades here in the good ole USA

This is all you needed to say.  I'm so sick of the "buts" that seem to come with every response from the right. 

Wait.  It sounds like Value Buy is saying it's OK that white people were unfairly and unjustly killed in the past it's the way things are.   It sounds like the argument is that it's  totally ok to treat people unfairly and unjustly NOW because it balances out the unfairness and injustice of the past.    It sounds like Value Buy is saying that Tit for Tat is right and good and moral even if it's over something that happened decades ago.     

Am misreading what's being said?  

[Value Buy]

Aug 13, 2018 12:05:23 GMT -5 Pants said:

Aug 13, 2018 10:24:22 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Yes, this history is horrible, and should not be forgotten, and should be documented for posterity, but you fail to mention how many white people were hung in your neck of the woods for practicing witchcraft. How many innocent people throughout our short history were lynched without a trial? Let's not forget hangings in the big cities over the first 150 years of our history where people were hanged.
It is not like only black people were mistreated........now label me a racist, when I hust point out white p[eople being hung for decades here in the good ole USA

Don't worry, VB, I labeled you a racist long ago. This impacts my opinion of you not at all! 

Not surprised you said that, and yet, please tell me how many black citizens in Chicago have died by gunshot in the last thirty years?
I think this is much more important to our present day society than history of the country villifying white people who were ignorant and racist at the time.
I will be waiting for you to tell me how many died in Chicago, and how their lives are not as important as 60 Minutes deals with a racist past rather than a ethnic cleansing of a city in today's society.
Add up NYC, Los Angeles, Baltimore and Chicago too.  You will not have to go back 30 years to beat the 5,000 number, and remember, today's number consists of  real babies, school children, young mothers, fathers, grandparents and not just single men. 
I will wait for any civil discussion from you rather than a blantant accusation.

[apple 2]

Aug 13, 2018 12:05:23 GMT -5 Pants said:

Aug 13, 2018 10:24:22 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Yes, this history is horrible, and should not be forgotten, and should be documented for posterity, but you fail to mention how many white people were hung in your neck of the woods for practicing witchcraft. How many innocent people throughout our short history were lynched without a trial? Let's not forget hangings in the big cities over the first 150 years of our history where people were hanged.
It is not like only black people were mistreated........now label me a racist, when I hust point out white p[eople being hung for decades here in the good ole USA

Don't worry, VB, I labeled you a racist long ago. This impacts my opinion of you not at all! 

This.

[Value Buy]

When you cannot actually talk about the issue just cry 
RACIST!

[Tennesseer]

Aug 13, 2018 18:25:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 13, 2018 12:05:23 GMT -5 Pants said:

Don't worry, VB, I labeled you a racist long ago. This impacts my opinion of you not at all! 

Not surprised you said that, and yet, please tell me how many black citizens in Chicago have died by gunshot in the last thirty years?
I think this is much more important to our present day society than history of the country villifying white people who were ignorant and racist at the time.
I will be waiting for you to tell me how many died in Chicago, and how their lives are not as important as 60 Minutes deals with a racist past rather than a ethnic cleansing of a city in today's society.
Add up NYC, Los Angeles, Baltimore and Chicago too.  You will not have to go back 30 years to beat the 5,000 number, and remember, today's number consists of  real babies, school children, young mothers, fathers, grandparents and not just single men. 
I will wait for any civil discussion from you rather than a blantant accusation.

Who are the perpetrators of ethnic cleansing in Chicago? And who are the victims.

[Value Buy]

Aug 13, 2018 19:14:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 13, 2018 18:25:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Not surprised you said that, and yet, please tell me how many black citizens in Chicago have died by gunshot in the last thirty years?
I think this is much more important to our present day society than history of the country villifying white people who were ignorant and racist at the time.
I will be waiting for you to tell me how many died in Chicago, and how their lives are not as important as 60 Minutes deals with a racist past rather than a ethnic cleansing of a city in today's society.
Add up NYC, Los Angeles, Baltimore and Chicago too.  You will not have to go back 30 years to beat the 5,000 number, and remember, today's number consists of  real babies, school children, young mothers, fathers, grandparents and not just single men. 
I will wait for any civil discussion from you rather than a blantant accusation.

Who are the perpetrators of ethnic cleansing in Chicago? And who are the victims.

The ones I referred to are black on black crime, although we do know this is not all of the victims.
white on white
white on black
Black on white
Black on Spanish
Spanish on Spanish
Spanish on white
Spanish on black
and so on.......but overwhelmingly black on black, with an amazing number of innocent blacks slaughtered just because they live there in the neighborhood, some in their kitchens or living rooms, front stoops on a hot summer night, or a big party of families at the block party just living life while the bullet comes through the window.........
Consider it "legalized lynching of minorities" if you will.
Research the numbers for the cities and get back to me on which is more important.

Lives of living Americans, or people dead a century ago......it is a matter of priorities and for me it is for the living.  Yes I get it. Lynching was an atrocity.
Shootings of people every weekend in massive numbers is an atrocity against humanity today.
I prefer we work on the issue at hand today.........

[Tennesseer]

Aug 13, 2018 19:28:36 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 13, 2018 19:14:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Who are the perpetrators of ethnic cleansing in Chicago? And who are the victims.

The ones I referred to are black on black crime, although we do know this is not all of the victims.
white on white
white on black
Black on white
Black on Spanish
Spanish on Spanish
Spanish on white
Spanish on black
and so on.......but overwhelmingly black on black, with an amazing number of innocent blacks slaughtered just because they live there in the neighborhood, some in their kitchens or living rooms, front stoops on a hot summer night, or a big party of families at the block party just living life while the bullet comes through the window.........
Consider it "legalized lynching of minorities" if you will.
Research the numbers for the cities and get back to me on which is more important.

Lives of living Americans, or people dead a century ago......it is a matter of priorities and for me it is for the living.  Yes I get it. Lynching was an atrocity.
Shootings of people every weekend in massive numbers is an atrocity against humanity today.
I prefer we work on the issue at hand today.........

I suspect the major problem in Chicago is the same major problem here: black gang violence against other black gangs. That would not be ethnic cleansing.

[Value Buy]

Aug 13, 2018 19:14:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 13, 2018 18:25:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Not surprised you said that, and yet, please tell me how many black citizens in Chicago have died by gunshot in the last thirty years?
I think this is much more important to our present day society than history of the country villifying white people who were ignorant and racist at the time.
I will be waiting for you to tell me how many died in Chicago, and how their lives are not as important as 60 Minutes deals with a racist past rather than a ethnic cleansing of a city in today's society.
Add up NYC, Los Angeles, Baltimore and Chicago too.  You will not have to go back 30 years to beat the 5,000 number, and remember, today's number consists of  real babies, school children, young mothers, fathers, grandparents and not just single men. 
I will wait for any civil discussion from you rather than a blantant accusation.

Who are the perpetrators of ethnic cleansing in Chicago? And who are the victims.

Some people, black and white, are blaming the Mayor of Chicago for the mass shootings, but I do not believe it involves political motives by the administration against minorities. People are now making it political to gore their personal ox, but even I realize it is the drug culture, lack of meaningful jobs, lack of good schools, and lack of parental role models in many homes Social ills are a large problem and will take generations to solve it. Right now it seems to be more important fore the Mayor to make sure they are a welcoming Sanctuary city, then deal with issues facing the elctorate and it's citizens.....
(oh oh. I just made it political)
Regardless, do something and stop the slaughter, otherwise we will be making documentaries a hundred years in the future explaining how we allowed minorities to be killed by the thousands and how wrong it was to happen.

[Value Buy]

Everyone knows I am happy with Trump winning the Presidency.
I want to state specifically to the op on this thread.
I thnk President Trump should condemn any and all Nazi activity.
It is the right thing to do.
Unfortunatly, he has not.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 13, 2018 19:36:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 13, 2018 19:14:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Who are the perpetrators of ethnic cleansing in Chicago? And who are the victims.

Some people, black and white, are blaming the Mayor of Chicago for the mass shootings, but I do not believe it involves political motives by the administration against minorities. People are now making it political to gore their personal ox, but even I realize it is the drug culture, lack of meaningful jobs, lack of good schools, and lack of parental role models in many homes Social ills are a large problem and will take generations to solve it. Right now it seems to be more important fore the Mayor to make sure they are a welcoming Sanctuary city, then deal with issues facing the elctorate and it's citizens.....
(oh oh. I just made it political)
Regardless, do something and stop the slaughter, otherwise we will be making documentaries a hundred years in the future explaining how we allowed minorities to be killed by the thousands and how wrong it was to happen.

What can the mayor do to stop the slaughter that would not violate our 2nd and 4th Amendments? According to this Chicago Tribue article from last week, of the 318 people murdered in Chicago to date, the very vast majority were the results of being shot.

In Chicago, 318 people have been killed this year. That is 110 fewer than 2017.

[apple 2]

Aug 13, 2018 18:51:32 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

When you cannot actually talk about the issue just cry 
RACIST!

Meh, keep deflecting. 

[Pants]

Aug 13, 2018 18:25:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 13, 2018 12:05:23 GMT -5 Pants said:

Don't worry, VB, I labeled you a racist long ago. This impacts my opinion of you not at all! 

Not surprised you said that, and yet, please tell me how many black citizens in Chicago have died by gunshot in the last thirty years?
I think this is much more important to our present day society than history of the country villifying white people who were ignorant and racist at the time.
I will be waiting for you to tell me how many died in Chicago, and how their lives are not as important as 60 Minutes deals with a racist past rather than a ethnic cleansing of a city in today's society.
Add up NYC, Los Angeles, Baltimore and Chicago too.  You will not have to go back 30 years to beat the 5,000 number, and remember, today's number consists of  real babies, school children, young mothers, fathers, grandparents and not just single men. 
I will wait for any civil discussion from you rather than a blantant accusation.

Dude, if I thought you were trying to have a reasonable discussion instead of fill up your "racist tropes" bingo card, I might actually talk to you.

[dezii]

Aug 13, 2018 20:35:41 GMT -5 Pants said:

Aug 13, 2018 18:25:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Not surprised you said that, and yet, please tell me how many black citizens in Chicago have died by gunshot in the last thirty years?
I think this is much more important to our present day society than history of the country villifying white people who were ignorant and racist at the time.
I will be waiting for you to tell me how many died in Chicago, and how their lives are not as important as 60 Minutes deals with a racist past rather than a ethnic cleansing of a city in today's society.
Add up NYC, Los Angeles, Baltimore and Chicago too.  You will not have to go back 30 years to beat the 5,000 number, and remember, today's number consists of  real babies, school children, young mothers, fathers, grandparents and not just single men. 
I will wait for any civil discussion from you rather than a blantant accusation.

Dude, if I thought you were trying to have a reasonable discussion instead of fill up your "racist tropes" bingo card, I might actually talk to you.

…………..

[Gardening Grandma]

Aug 13, 2018 19:39:51 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Everyone knows I am happy with Trump winning the Presidency.
I want to state specifically to the op on this thread.
I thnk President Trump should condemn any and all Nazi activity.
It is the right thing to do.
Unfortunatly, he has not.

And yet your support for him does not waver... Good people do not defend an evil man