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Post by steff on Jul 30, 2018 18:44:07 GMT -5
WASHINGTON - North Korea appears to be building one or two new liquid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missiles at a factory that produced the country's first missiles capable of reaching the United States, the Washington Post reported on Monday.
The newspaper, citing unidentified officials familiar with intelligence reporting, said U.S. spy agencies were seeing signs of the construction at a large research facility in Sanumdong, on the outskirts of Pyongyang. any update on that Nobel Prize yet?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 30, 2018 19:05:06 GMT -5
"N.Korea appears to be building one or two ICBMs" Well, of course it is! Building new facilities and updated old ones! Trump got played like a geomungo. Mission Accomplished!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 19:12:29 GMT -5
"N.Korea appears to be building one or two ICBMs" Well, of course it is! Building new facilities and updated old ones! Trump got played like a geomungo. Mission Accomplished! Unfortunately the coin doesn’t ship until 9/1......... my buddy will really enjoy it lol |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 30, 2018 21:00:45 GMT -5
WASHINGTON - North Korea appears to be building one or two new liquid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missiles at a factory that produced the country's first missiles capable of reaching the United States, the Washington Post reported on Monday.
The newspaper, citing unidentified officials familiar with intelligence reporting, said U.S. spy agencies were seeing signs of the construction at a large research facility in Sanumdong, on the outskirts of Pyongyang. any update on that Nobel Prize yet? So, what you have is a situation that's going to work out really well for the people of DPRK, and REALLY well for Kim Jong Un- considering the crimes against humanity he's responsible for and the record for past dictators once the North Korean people get a taste of life after sanctions. But it's not going to work out well for China- because let's be real: North Korea is just a military (and a nuclear one at that) proxy for China. And as for the rest of the DPRK regime? What becomes of them in a stable, economically prosperous and potentially re-unified Korea? Answer: not good things. As with most dictatorships, DPRK is weak, and crumbling from within. Kim Jong Un likely doesn't have full control over his regime or his people- and the status-quo is good for some people. And those people- with the help of China- are probably angling to derail denuclearization and the peaceful reunification of the peninsula. Luckily, President Trump isn't stupid. |
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Post by swamp on Jul 30, 2018 21:04:13 GMT -5
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Post by steff on Jul 30, 2018 21:27:30 GMT -5
WASHINGTON - North Korea appears to be building one or two new liquid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missiles at a factory that produced the country's first missiles capable of reaching the United States, the Washington Post reported on Monday.
The newspaper, citing unidentified officials familiar with intelligence reporting, said U.S. spy agencies were seeing signs of the construction at a large research facility in Sanumdong, on the outskirts of Pyongyang. any update on that Nobel Prize yet? So, what you have is a situation that's going to work out really well for the people of DPRK, and REALLY well for Kim Jong Un- considering the crimes against humanity he's responsible for and the record for past dictators once the North Korean people get a taste of life after sanctions. But it's not going to work out well for China- because let's be real: North Korea is just a military (and a nuclear one at that) proxy for China. And as for the rest of the DPRK regime? What becomes of them in a stable, economically prosperous and potentially re-unified Korea? Answer: not good things. As with most dictatorships, DPRK is weak, and crumbling from within. Kim Jong Un likely doesn't have full control over his regime or his people- and the status-quo is good for some people. And those people- with the help of China- are probably angling to derail denuclearization and the peaceful reunification of the peninsula. Luckily, President Trump isn't stupid. We made concessions and got absolutely nothing in return. The "great negotiator" strikes or rather, FAILS yet again. |
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Post by kadee79 on Jul 30, 2018 22:02:59 GMT -5
Luckily, President Trump isn't stupid. No, he's ignorant which may be worse than stupid! |
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 30, 2018 22:15:50 GMT -5
WASHINGTON - North Korea appears to be building one or two new liquid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missiles at a factory that produced the country's first missiles capable of reaching the United States, the Washington Post reported on Monday.
The newspaper, citing unidentified officials familiar with intelligence reporting, said U.S. spy agencies were seeing signs of the construction at a large research facility in Sanumdong, on the outskirts of Pyongyang. any update on that Nobel Prize yet? So, what you have is a situation that's going to work out really well for the people of DPRK, and REALLY well for Kim Jong Un- considering the crimes against humanity he's responsible for and the record for past dictators once the North Korean people get a taste of life after sanctions.
But it's not going to work out well for China- because let's be real: North Korea is just a military (and a nuclear one at that) proxy for China. And as for the rest of the DPRK regime? What becomes of them in a stable, economically prosperous and potentially re-unified Korea? Answer: not good things. As with most dictatorships, DPRK is weak, and crumbling from within. Kim Jong Un likely doesn't have full control over his regime or his people- and the status-quo is good for some people. And those people- with the help of China- are probably angling to derail denuclearization and the peaceful reunification of the peninsula. Luckily, President Trump isn't stupid. They already have nothing to eat. Are they going to have less than nothing after sanctions? They won't even notice. Hungry now and hungry after sanctions. |
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So, what you have is a situation that's going to work out really well for the people of DPRK, and REALLY well for Kim Jong Un- considering the crimes against humanity he's responsible for and the record for past dictators once the North Korean people get a taste of life after sanctions.
But it's not going to work out well for China- because let's be real: North Korea is just a military (and a nuclear one at that) proxy for China. And as for the rest of the DPRK regime? What becomes of them in a stable, economically prosperous and potentially re-unified Korea? Answer: not good things. As with most dictatorships, DPRK is weak, and crumbling from within. Kim Jong Un likely doesn't have full control over his regime or his people- and the status-quo is good for some people. And those people- with the help of China- are probably angling to derail denuclearization and the peaceful reunification of the peninsula. Luckily, President Trump isn't stupid. They already have nothing to eat. Are they going to have less than nothing after sanctions? They won't even notice. Hungry now and hungry after sanctions. Liquid fueled ICBM'S are old school...takes a long time to fuel them...very obviouse…, hard to conceal, especially from our satellites, drones..also don't believe one can keep rockets fueled for a long time......liquid fuel very caustic... We , Russians use solid fuel for our ICBM'S...The rockets removed from Turkey back at times of Cuban Missle Crises were outdated..liquid fueled I believe. |
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Post by dezii on Jul 30, 2018 23:05:21 GMT -5
Just to show how close we were to a nuclear war...estimated casualties..a billion casualties...actually a dead Soviet submariner should be credited with preventing that scenario.... ================================ " Captain Valentin Savitsky of the Soviet sub B-59 cracked under the pressure of harassment by U.S. warships, who were dropping practice depth charges on his sub. Savitsky ordered his nuclear torpedoes loaded. "We're going to blast them now! We will die, but we will sink them all!" His second, Vasili Archipov, calmed him down and probably saved a billion lives. ================================= www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/18ye6f/during_the_cuban_missile_crisis_were_russias/That must have been one hell of a argument on that Soviet Sub... ---------------------------------------- Suggest one take time to read....and honor the man. You and I would probably not be alive except by actions of this man or if alive, living in a much different world then we are now, even with a Donald as POTUS. --------------------------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 31, 2018 1:43:06 GMT -5
Luckily, President Trump isn't stupid. No, he's ignorant which may be worse than stupid! what i find so galling about him is the contempt he has for others, such as diplomats. he thinks he is smarter than all of them, and doesn't need their advice. here is a little hint: all presidents are smart, Donny. ALL OF THEM. what differentiates the best from the worst is not the confidence they have in their OWN intelligence, but the quality of their advisors, and what they did with it. that is it. period. nothing more or less.
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Post by kadee79 on Jul 31, 2018 12:14:09 GMT -5
Thank you DJ, you verbalized what I was thinking which I didn't do well. Yes, ignorant is not using quality people & heeding their advice.....thinking you are smarter than everyone else.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 31, 2018 14:08:36 GMT -5
WASHINGTON - North Korea appears to be building one or two new liquid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missiles at a factory that produced the country's first missiles capable of reaching the United States, the Washington Post reported on Monday.
The newspaper, citing unidentified officials familiar with intelligence reporting, said U.S. spy agencies were seeing signs of the construction at a large research facility in Sanumdong, on the outskirts of Pyongyang. any update on that Nobel Prize yet? So, what you have is a situation that's going to work out really well for the people of DPRK, and REALLY well for Kim Jong Un- considering the crimes against humanity he's responsible for and the record for past dictators once the North Korean people get a taste of life after sanctions. But it's not going to work out well for China- because let's be real: North Korea is just a military (and a nuclear one at that) proxy for China. And as for the rest of the DPRK regime? What becomes of them in a stable, economically prosperous and potentially re-unified Korea? Answer: not good things. As with most dictatorships, DPRK is weak, and crumbling from within. Kim Jong Un likely doesn't have full control over his regime or his people- and the status-quo is good for some people. And those people- with the help of China- are probably angling to derail denuclearization and the peaceful reunification of the peninsula. Luckily, President Trump isn't stupid. Wait... you JUST figured out that China backs the DPRK? Here's another tasty little tidbit... Russia is also an allie of the DPRK. And the DPRK isn't crumbling... China has too much to loose if it does. Kim JongUn (and his predecessors) have skillfully played their game of politics by pitting the US against China. It's NEVER really been about the DRPK against the US. So, what exactly DID Trump accomplish with the DPRK? Or was all of his bluster and twittering just a distraction from the shit he and his administration are doing here? Was that the "smart" thing Trump did? Used the DPRK to further mislead the American people? I'm assuming that as a Trump supporter you're keeping up to date on all the really important stuff that Trump is doing... so, tell us... let's hear about all the glorious stuff Trump is accomplishing here at home - so glorious and wonderful that he feels he needs to 'distract' everyone from paying any attention to it? |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 31, 2018 14:16:46 GMT -5
So, what you have is a situation that's going to work out really well for the people of DPRK, and REALLY well for Kim Jong Un- considering the crimes against humanity he's responsible for and the record for past dictators once the North Korean people get a taste of life after sanctions.
But it's not going to work out well for China- because let's be real: North Korea is just a military (and a nuclear one at that) proxy for China. And as for the rest of the DPRK regime? What becomes of them in a stable, economically prosperous and potentially re-unified Korea? Answer: not good things. As with most dictatorships, DPRK is weak, and crumbling from within. Kim Jong Un likely doesn't have full control over his regime or his people- and the status-quo is good for some people. And those people- with the help of China- are probably angling to derail denuclearization and the peaceful reunification of the peninsula. Luckily, President Trump isn't stupid. They already have nothing to eat. Are they going to have less than nothing after sanctions? They won't even notice. Hungry now and hungry after sanctions. Donald Trump's sanctions do not target the people. They aim to hit the regime where it hurts- their own lives. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 31, 2018 14:22:17 GMT -5
So, what you have is a situation that's going to work out really well for the people of DPRK, and REALLY well for Kim Jong Un- considering the crimes against humanity he's responsible for and the record for past dictators once the North Korean people get a taste of life after sanctions. But it's not going to work out well for China- because let's be real: North Korea is just a military (and a nuclear one at that) proxy for China. And as for the rest of the DPRK regime? What becomes of them in a stable, economically prosperous and potentially re-unified Korea? Answer: not good things. As with most dictatorships, DPRK is weak, and crumbling from within. Kim Jong Un likely doesn't have full control over his regime or his people- and the status-quo is good for some people. And those people- with the help of China- are probably angling to derail denuclearization and the peaceful reunification of the peninsula. Luckily, President Trump isn't stupid. Wait... you JUST figured out that China backs the DPRK? Here's another tasty little tidbit... Russia is also an allie of the DPRK. Yeah? No shit? Well then I guess it's a good thing President Trump didn't go out of his way to piss of Vladimir Putin since it kinda looks like he might need him, then huh? And the DPRK isn't crumbling... China has too much to loose if it does. Kim JongUn (and his predecessors) have skillfully played their game of politics by pitting the US against China. It's NEVER really been about the DRPK against the US. Again, kind of a no shitter. Sorta built into my observation that DPRK is a client state of China (and President Trump is smart enough to leverage trade to get what he wants in North Korea from the player that really matters: China)So, what exactly DID Trump accomplish with the DPRK? Or was all of his bluster and twittering just a distraction from the shit he and his administration are doing here? Was that the "smart" thing Trump did? Used the DPRK to further mislead the American people? Really? I can't even take you seriously. When's the last time the US President met directly with the leader of North Korea? When is the last time a ballistic missile flew over Japan? When was the last nuclear test? When is the last time the leader of North Korea released the remains of Korean War vets to the United States, or gave the US assurances-- real, or not-- they'd give on anything?I'm assuming that as a Trump supporter you're keeping up to date on all the really important stuff that Trump is doing... so, tell us... let's hear about all the glorious stuff Trump is accomplishing here at home - so glorious and wonderful that he feels he needs to 'distract' everyone from paying any attention to it? The fuck are you talking about? Turn off the #FakeNews and get your head out of the Daily Kos echo chamber. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 31, 2018 14:23:15 GMT -5
No, he's ignorant which may be worse than stupid! what i find so galling about him is the contempt he has for others, such as diplomats. he thinks he is smarter than all of them, and doesn't need their advice. here is a little hint: all presidents are smart, Donny. ALL OF THEM. what differentiates the best from the worst is not the confidence they have in their OWN intelligence, but the quality of their advisors, and what they did with it. that is it. period. nothing more or less.
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 31, 2018 14:35:44 GMT -5
Had to go all the way to Israel for an article naming unamed sources for this thread.....don't we have enough unamed sources in the states to do this discussion, or do you believe in outsourcing democratic talking point media jobs?  |
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Post by dezii on Jul 31, 2018 15:25:51 GMT -5
No, he's ignorant which may be worse than stupid! what i find so galling about him is the contempt he has for others, such as diplomats. he thinks he is smarter than all of them, and doesn't need their advice. here is a little hint: all presidents are smart, Donny. ALL OF THEM. what differentiates the best from the worst is not the confidence they have in their OWN intelligence, but the quality of their advisors, and what they did with it. that is it. period. nothing more or less.
also their own actions...take Kennedy for example...Many fault him for going along with previouse administrations ..Eisenhower's ..plan to remove Castro....Bay of Pigs fiasco...blame him not comitting our Air Force..however...when all his advisors..official ones..military ones...unofficial ones..[previouse administration advisors] were pushing for a invasion of Cuba...he said no...came up with the idea of a blockade...that finally worked. [All those conversations in the oval office were caught on tape so what I post is fact] What was found out after the Wall came down and information was shared...Cuba had tacticle nuclear weapons, the ones that would have been used on the beaches..on the invasion fleet as it was gathered off shore, o the marshaling ports...Florida , were reinforcements were gathered together...and Castro was chomping at the bit to use them...little thought given to the then complete destruction of Cuba and his people... Don't believe Nixon would have held off... |
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Post by steff on Jul 31, 2018 15:35:50 GMT -5
Had to go all the way to Israel for an article naming unamed sources for this thread.....don't we have enough unamed sources in the states to do this discussion, or do you believe in outsourcing democratic talking point media jobs? I picked it because it wasn't behind a pay wall & it wasn't a "left leaning" site. but keep making shit up. |
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Post by dezii on Jul 31, 2018 15:36:09 GMT -5
Had to go all the way to Israel for an article naming unamed sources for this thread.....don't we have enough unamed sources in the states to do this discussion, or do you believe in outsourcing democratic talking point media jobs? Huh...? Whats wrong with useing sources wherever they are..I have a al Jazeer site saved as well as Jeruselum post...plus BBC and a few others. Didn't think it was against the CC of this site...Am I wrong. Your comments Value are bordering onracial profiling...dissing other cultures....believe that is against our CC here...just saying. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 31, 2018 16:05:35 GMT -5
It's long been pointless to discuss anything here. I was encouraged by our one (1) singular point of agreement on voting machines / paper ballots. Other than that, it's like the posters here are living in a parallel universe. Except there isn't one, and the real problem is that many of you are hallucinating. I don't have anything in common with Democrats / leftists anymore. They're off the cliff. They are the party of Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez now. Open borders, amnesty, welfare, rabid anti-semitism, and the criminalization of political differences-- they're really the party of tyrants in waiting. Our job now isn't to argue political points. It's to defend Americans from all enemies foreign and domestic. Sad day.
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 31, 2018 16:31:14 GMT -5
Had to go all the way to Israel for an article naming unamed sources for this thread.....don't we have enough unamed sources in the states to do this discussion, or do you believe in outsourcing democratic talking point media jobs? Huh...? Whats wrong with useing sources wherever they are..I have a al Jazeer site saved as well as Jeruselum post...plus BBC and a few others. Didn't think it was against the CC of this site...Am I wrong. Your comments Value are bordering onracial profiling...dissing other cultures....believe that is against our CC here...just saying. Wow. You are closer to breaking the coc with your slanderous accusations towards me. Show me where I racially profiled anything? Show me where I dissed a culture? Evidently you do not recognize a when you see it. I pointed out to Steff on her choice of an around the other side of the world source when we have so many grown in the USA "unnamed sources" to pick from for the slanted democratic talking point media personnel to write about. Get over it. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 31, 2018 16:43:31 GMT -5
They already have nothing to eat. Are they going to have less than nothing after sanctions? They won't even notice. Hungry now and hungry after sanctions. They aim to hit the regime where it hurts- their own lives. YOU said "the people". YOU. Stop moving the goalposts because you're wrong yet again. |
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Post by Tiny on Jul 31, 2018 17:22:40 GMT -5
Wait... you JUST figured out that China backs the DPRK? Here's another tasty little tidbit... Russia is also an allie of the DPRK. Yeah? No shit? Well then I guess it's a good thing President Trump didn't go out of his way to piss of Vladimir Putin since it kinda looks like he might need him, then huh? And the DPRK isn't crumbling... China has too much to loose if it does. Kim JongUn (and his predecessors) have skillfully played their game of politics by pitting the US against China. It's NEVER really been about the DRPK against the US. Again, kind of a no shitter. Sorta built into my observation that DPRK is a client state of China (and President Trump is smart enough to leverage trade to get what he wants in North Korea from the player that really matters: China)So, what exactly DID Trump accomplish with the DPRK? Or was all of his bluster and twittering just a distraction from the shit he and his administration are doing here? Was that the "smart" thing Trump did? Used the DPRK to further mislead the American people? Really? I can't even take you seriously. When's the last time the US President met directly with the leader of North Korea? When is the last time a ballistic missile flew over Japan? When was the last nuclear test? When is the last time the leader of North Korea released the remains of Korean War vets to the United States, or gave the US assurances-- real, or not-- they'd give on anything?I'm assuming that as a Trump supporter you're keeping up to date on all the really important stuff that Trump is doing... so, tell us... let's hear about all the glorious stuff Trump is accomplishing here at home - so glorious and wonderful that he feels he needs to 'distract' everyone from paying any attention to it? The fuck are you talking about? Turn off the #FakeNews and get your head out of the Daily Kos echo chamber.My eyes have been opened! where do I find this non Fake news!!! Point me in the right direction! Radio? TV? The Internet? (I don't have cable - so hopefully the source of non Fake new isn't on a cable channel... ) Also, I don't know what this Daily Kos thing you speak of is... but it sounds like more fake news so I won't go there. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 31, 2018 17:35:02 GMT -5
My eyes have been opened! where do I find this non Fake news!!! Point me in the right direction! Radio? TV? The Internet? (I don't have cable - so hopefully the source of non Fake new isn't on a cable channel... ) Also, I don't know what this Daily Kos thing you speak of is... but it sounds like more fake news so I won't go there. Sarah Huckabee Sanders.  |
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 31, 2018 20:31:12 GMT -5
My eyes have been opened! where do I find this non Fake news!!! Point me in the right direction! Radio? TV? The Internet? (I don't have cable - so hopefully the source of non Fake new isn't on a cable channel... ) Also, I don't know what this Daily Kos thing you speak of is... but it sounds like more fake news so I won't go there. I'm pretty sure it's part of the Echo Chamber Complex. I think it's sorta kitty-cornered from The Conservative Treehouse. |
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The newspaper, citing unidentified officials familiar with intelligence reporting, said U.S. spy agencies were seeing signs of the construction at a large research facility in Sanumdong, on the outskirts of Pyongyang. As a "Anonymous Source",,,, Why is Unidentified Officials,,, could be construed as creditable ?? source??
With all the lies that are being told by government agents or employees that we read about every day!!!! We are going to apply creditable to,,,,,Unidentified Officials??
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The newspaper, citing unidentified officials familiar with intelligence reporting, said U.S. spy agencies were seeing signs of the construction at a large research facility in Sanumdong, on the outskirts of Pyongyang. As a "Anonymous Source",,,, Why is Unidentified Officials,,, could be construed as creditable ?? source??
With all the lies that are being told by government agents or employees that we read about every day!!!! We are going to apply creditable to,,,,,Unidentified Officials??
Sigh!
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and other Administration officials have come out on record this week that there is no evidence of North Korea building additional missiles and stories so stating that are attempts to derail negotiations. Or at least they likely would if that was the true situation. I may have missed them doing that so would welcome a link. |
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 1, 2018 9:27:42 GMT -5
The newspaper, citing unidentified officials familiar with intelligence reporting, said U.S. spy agencies were seeing signs of the construction at a large research facility in Sanumdong, on the outskirts of Pyongyang. As a "Anonymous Source",,,, Why is Unidentified Officials,,, could be construed as creditable ?? source??
With all the lies that are being told by government agents or employees that we read about every day!!!! We are going to apply creditable to,,,,,Unidentified Officials??
Sigh!
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and other Administration officials have come out on record this week that there is no evidence of North Korea building additional missiles and stories so stating that are attempts to derail negotiations. Or at least they likely would if that was the true situation. I may have missed them doing that so would welcome a link. Bills, why would we believe any one, from politicians to,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Unidentified Officials?? |
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 1, 2018 10:58:39 GMT -5
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and other Administration officials have come out on record this week that there is no evidence of North Korea building additional missiles and stories so stating that are attempts to derail negotiations. Or at least they likely would if that was the true situation. I may have missed them doing that so would welcome a link. Bills, why would we believe any one, from politicians to,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Unidentified Officials?? I don't "believe". I consider the story. I consider who is doing the reporting. I consider any counter stories or lack thereof. I consider history of events and individuals if possible. I make a decision of what is "truth". I reconsider as I feel is appropriate with new information. Very different than "believing". |
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