People Asking For Asylum.

[OldCoyote]

What are you gong to say when the shiploads of refugee start showing up on our shore asking, demanding asylum, with all their children of course.

Going to let all of them in??

Don't think it can happen,, you only need to look a Europe with the boatloads from Africa, and the Middle East,  looking for asylum.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 22, 2018 19:43:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

What are you gong to say when the shiploads of refugee start showing up on our shore asking, demanding asylum, with all their children of course.

Going to let all of them in??

Don't think it can happen,, you only need to look a Europe with the boatloads from Africa, and the Middle East,  looking for asylum.

Mariel boatlift.

[zibazinski]

Yeah that turned out well. Just ask my cousin in Miami.

[billisonboard]

Jun 22, 2018 19:43:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

What are you gong to say when the shiploads of refugee start showing up on our shore asking, demanding asylum, with all their children of course.

Going to let all of them in??

...

I support analyzing individuals on a case by case basis.

[Opti]

I'm not aware of any country, including ours that lets everyone in.

[Gardening Grandma]

What Bills said.

[NastyWoman]

Jun 22, 2018 19:43:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

What are you gong to say when the shiploads of refugee start showing up on our shore asking, demanding asylum, with all their children of course.

Going to let all of them in??

Don't think it can happen,, you only need to look a Europe with the boatloads from Africa, and the Middle East,  looking for asylum.

Ask the passengers of the St. Louis. Oh wait, we can't they were refused entry into the US due to, among other things rampant anti-semitism (sp?), the ship was forced to return and the passengers, putting them straight into the path of the Nazi killing machine. Yes, these people were killed by Nazis, but they could have been saved. Not the finest moment in US history. And I say this despite the fact that, as an avid student of WWII, I am well aware of the ultimate sacrifice made by many Americans.

Do we really want to go back to such indiscriminate refusal of refugees?

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jun 22, 2018 19:47:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 22, 2018 19:43:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

What are you gong to say when the shiploads of refugee start showing up on our shore asking, demanding asylum, with all their children of course.

Going to let all of them in??

...

I support analyzing individuals on a case by case basis.

This of course could be a logistical nightmare in terms of time, cost, and use of resources (investigators, judicial).

[OldCoyote]

Jun 22, 2018 19:47:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 22, 2018 19:43:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

What are you gong to say when the shiploads of refugee start showing up on our shore asking, demanding asylum, with all their children of course.

Going to let all of them in??

...

I support analyzing individuals on a case by case basis.

cis.org/How-Militant-Islamic-Terrorists-Entered-and-Remained-United-States-19932001

[OldCoyote]

Jun 23, 2018 1:20:17 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jun 22, 2018 19:43:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

What are you gong to say when the shiploads of refugee start showing up on our shore asking, demanding asylum, with all their children of course.

Going to let all of them in??

Don't think it can happen,, you only need to look a Europe with the boatloads from Africa, and the Middle East,  looking for asylum.

Ask the passengers of the St. Louis. Oh wait, we can't they were refused entry into the US due to, among other things rampant anti-semitism (sp?), the ship was forced to return and the passengers, putting them straight into the path of the Nazi killing machine. Yes, these people were killed by Nazis, but they could have been saved. Not the finest moment in US history. And I say this despite the fact that, as an avid student of WWII, I am well aware of the ultimate sacrifice made by many Americans.

Do we really want to go back to such indiscriminate refusal of refugees?

Ok, Do I post,

Trade Center Bombing?

911?

Boston Bombers?

Pulse Nightclub?

Virginia Tech?

Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino,?

This not even counting the time legal and illegals have killed here, Police shooting, holdups, bad drug deals, gangs, run into the thousands!!

You think we should throw the border wide open to anyone??

Cause they show up with a child, they are suddenly allowed entry?

[Tennesseer]

You forgot the Oklahoma City bomber
The las Vegas shooter
The Newtown, Ct shooter
The Parkland high school shooter
The Columbine shooters
The Santa Fe, Texas shooter
The Roseburg, Oregon shooter
The Red Lake, Minnesota shooter
The Cleveland Elementary School shooter
The Dekalb, Il. shooter
The Jonesboro, Ar. shooters
Etc.

None of the mass killers were legal or illegal immigrants. Alk were natural born citizens.

[NastyWoman]

Tennesseer There are none so blind...

[Gardening Grandma]

Jun 23, 2018 7:17:14 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Jun 22, 2018 19:47:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I support analyzing individuals on a case by case basis.

cis.org/How-Militant-Islamic-Terrorists-Entered-and-Remained-United-States-19932001

Armed toddlers kill twice as many Americans each year as terrorists
www.euronews.com/2017/01/31/armed-toddlers-kill-twice-as-many-americans-each-year-than-terrorists

White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners
www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/16396612/las-vegas-mass-shooting-terrorism-islam

Trump fears terrorists, but more Americans are shot dead by toddlers
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/08/trump-muslim-terrorists-gun-violence-america-deaths

American deaths in terrorism vs. gun violence in one graph
www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/us/terrorism-gun-violence/index.html

Toddlers Killed More Americans than Terrorists in 2015
Claim: True
www.snopes.com/fact-check/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/

[justme]

Jun 23, 2018 7:31:47 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Jun 23, 2018 1:20:17 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Ask the passengers of the St. Louis. Oh wait, we can't they were refused entry into the US due to, among other things rampant anti-semitism (sp?), the ship was forced to return and the passengers, putting them straight into the path of the Nazi killing machine. Yes, these people were killed by Nazis, but they could have been saved. Not the finest moment in US history. And I say this despite the fact that, as an avid student of WWII, I am well aware of the ultimate sacrifice made by many Americans.

Do we really want to go back to such indiscriminate refusal of refugees?

Ok, Do I post,

Trade Center Bombing?

911?

Boston Bombers?

Pulse Nightclub?

Virginia Tech?

Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino,?

This not even counting the time legal and illegals have killed here, Police shooting, holdups, bad drug deals, gangs, run into the thousands!!

You think we should throw the border wide open to anyone??

Cause they show up with a child, they are suddenly allowed entry?

The pulse shooter was a US citizen as he was born here. Get your facts straight.

[hurley1980]

Wasn't the San Bernardino shooter born here too? I don't believe his wife was, but I think he was American...

[Gardening Grandma]

Jun 23, 2018 17:23:42 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Wasn't the San Bernardino shooter born here too? I don't believe his wife was, but I think he was American...

He was US born.  His wife wasn't.

[Gardening Grandma]

a February 2018 study by the Cato Institute using 2015 crime statistics from Texas found immigrants in the country illegally were 25 percent less likely to be convicted of homicide than native-born Americans. (Legal immigrants were 87 percent less likely.)

According to the study, immigrants in the country illegally were also 11.5 percent less likely than native-born Americans to be convicted of sexual assault and 79 percent less likely to be convicted of larceny.

The study found higher conviction rates among illegal immigrants for gambling, kidnapping, smuggling and vagrancy, but those offenses were rare and made up a tiny fraction of overall crime in Texas in 2015.

A separate March 2018 study in the journal Criminology looked at whether violent crime increases as the number of immigrants living illegally in a community goes up. Researchers found it does not. If anything, the opposite is true: Violent crime appears to fall when more immigrants are living in a community illegally.

www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622540331/fact-check-trump-illegal-immigration-and-crime

Maybe we should deport white American men and toddlers and import more immigrants 

[Tennesseer]

Silly of me thinking AS knew what he was talking about when he said the Pulse shooter and both San Bernadino shooters were all born outside the U.S..

#NEVERAGAIN

[dezii]

Jun 22, 2018 19:43:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

What are you gong to say when the shiploads of refugee start showing up on our shore asking, demanding asylum, with all their children of course.

Going to let all of them in??

Don't think it can happen,, you only need to look a Europe with the boatloads from Africa, and the Middle East,  looking for asylum.

A interesting statement from Fareed Zakaria, comparing how refugees in Europe do and are received and how in the  USA.

In the States, we are a society of immigrants...easily assimilated, it's expected, and by second generation, as he says his own kids, he is from India, it is a struggle ton get them to know a few words of dialect from the "old country"...a little appreciation of the foods of the old country...kids are Americanized.

In say France as a example, and same in all European countries...u go to the country side, the Baker, Butcher, candlestick maker, farmers.....same careers for many generations, same families and u set down a refugee from where ever...how do they fit in? They don't and u get enclaves, ghettos where few have been assimilated....

We are unique...especially on this level ...seems Donald and his base really don't understand that..[sad] 

[dezii]

Jun 23, 2018 17:28:14 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Jun 23, 2018 17:23:42 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Wasn't the San Bernardino shooter born here too? I don't believe his wife was, but I think he was American...

He was US born.  His wife wasn't.

I watched for a little while that gathering of grieving families and friends that had lost loved ones to illegals...accidentally or from criminal doings by those who are illegal...My heart went out to them, understand how they feel...but for Donald to bring them together in a attempt to show that there are bad things happening from some illegals really upset me as he does not really care about those stories and incidents beyond just trying to prove a point in his claim that so many are criminals, murderers, rapest yadda, yadda.

I did a quick google on violent happenings in the country...Remember our population is now over 325 million....there are over 70,000 people affected by gun shots..[this is 2013 figures] over 11,000 in criminal doings...over 5000 deaths....

We all know how big the total of folks injured in automobile accidents caused by drinking over the limits...thousands a year...didn't google those stats...and yes some were by illegals...same as violent criminal acts ...but to use these unfortunate families to try and prove what he claims is fact but is not..is despicable but for this evil man who is only about himself..there are no words for me to call him out on...and that we have him in that office..

[cronewitch]

I am old and remember many waves of immigrants starting with those fleeing Cuba in the 60s, then the boat people from south east asia, then Russians. Each group became American. I lived in Miami beach in the early 70s and the Cuban had already bought homes and started businesses. Later they sent us criminals but the first were educated professionals. We can handle a few thousand from anywhere. We have a lot of Chinese, Indians and Muslims and they are slowly Americanizing.

[Gardening Grandma]

Two things struck me watching that vile piece of human trash exploit the grief of families.
1) He AUTOGRAPHED. photos of the deceased loved ones. Tacky beyond belief
2) Hitler did the same thing with Jews. He publicised crimes committed by a few Jews in order to make it appear that all Jews were criminals.  

[thyme4change]

If we hadn't been welcoming, we wouldn't have spaghetti, or Kung Pao chicken. Talk about tragic!

[Tennesseer]

There was a period in U.S. history (1882-1943) where the Chinese were excluded from immigrating to the United States.


Chinese Exclusion Act

[weltschmerz]

Jun 24, 2018 1:20:10 GMT -5 dezii said:

Jun 22, 2018 19:43:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

What are you gong to say when the shiploads of refugee start showing up on our shore asking, demanding asylum, with all their children of course.

Going to let all of them in??

Don't think it can happen,, you only need to look a Europe with the boatloads from Africa, and the Middle East,  looking for asylum.

A interesting statement from Fareed Zakaria, comparing how refugees in Europe do and are received and how in the  USA.

In the States, we are a society of immigrants...easily assimilated, it's expected, and by second generation, as he says his own kids, he is from India, it is a struggle ton get them to know a few words of dialect from the "old country"...a little appreciation of the foods of the old country...kids are Americanized.

In say France as a example, and same in all European countries...u go to the country side, the Baker, Butcher, candlestick maker, farmers.....same careers for many generations, same families and u set down a refugee from where ever...how do they fit in? They don't and u get enclaves, ghettos where few have been assimilated....

We are unique...especially on this level ...seems Donald and his base really don't understand that..[sad] 

You are not unique, as Canada is a nation of immigrants, as well.
We have even more people from foreign lands. One in five was born somewhere else.

[kadee79]

Jun 24, 2018 2:59:38 GMT -5 cronewitch said:

I am old and remember many waves of immigrants starting with those fleeing Cuba in the 60s, then the boat people from south east asia, then Russians. Each group became American. I lived in Miami beach in the early 70s and the Cuban had already bought homes and started businesses. Later they sent us criminals but the first were educated professionals. We can handle a few thousand from anywhere. We have a lot of Chinese, Indians and Muslims and they are slowly Americanizing.

Marco Rubio's grandparents came from Cuba.  Ted Cruz's father is Cuban.  How many others in our government are from immigrant families?
DT's own parents came from Germany, his first wife ? can't remember the country & his third wife another immigrant by devious routes.

I know my own are Dutch, German & English.  

[cronewitch]

Jun 24, 2018 13:42:02 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Jun 24, 2018 2:59:38 GMT -5 cronewitch said:

I am old and remember many waves of immigrants starting with those fleeing Cuba in the 60s, then the boat people from south east asia, then Russians. Each group became American. I lived in Miami beach in the early 70s and the Cuban had already bought homes and started businesses. Later they sent us criminals but the first were educated professionals. We can handle a few thousand from anywhere. We have a lot of Chinese, Indians and Muslims and they are slowly Americanizing.

Marco Rubio's grandparents came from Cuba.  Ted Cruz's father is Cuban.  How many others in our government are from immigrant families?
DT's own parents came from Germany, his first wife ? can't remember the country & his third wife another immigrant by devious routes.

I know my own are Dutch, German & English.  

My brother is married to a Mexican who has a Cuban father. He was working for International Harvester in Mexico when Castro came, his brother was in LA. They were told they could chose to stay in America or Mexico so he stayed in Mexico and his brother in America. She grew up visited America often and speaks perfect English as do her parents and son. My brother adopted her son and lived in Mexico about 5 years. Now they all live in Indiana, legally. She is going to become a citizen as well as their son, then home to Mexico. She can't collect his pension when he dies unless she is American. I like legal immigrants and refuges but we need to send illegals back.

[kadee79]

Jun 24, 2018 14:01:39 GMT -5 cronewitch said:

Jun 24, 2018 13:42:02 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

My brother is married to a Mexican who has a Cuban father. He was working for International Harvester in Mexico when Castro came, his brother was in LA. They were told they could chose to stay in America or Mexico so he stayed in Mexico and his brother in America. She grew up visited America often and speaks perfect English as do her parents and son. My brother adopted her son and lived in Mexico about 5 years. Now they all live in Indiana, legally. She is going to become a citizen as well as their son, then home to Mexico. She can't collect his pension when he dies unless she is American. I like legal immigrants and refuges but we need to send illegals back.

Sending them back should depend on why they are here in the first place and there should still be a way to speed the process & lower the costs of becoming legal.  
The GOP isn't going to put any of that into legislation any time soon.

[thyme4change]

Jun 24, 2018 13:42:02 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Jun 24, 2018 2:59:38 GMT -5 cronewitch said:

I am old and remember many waves of immigrants starting with those fleeing Cuba in the 60s, then the boat people from south east asia, then Russians. Each group became American. I lived in Miami beach in the early 70s and the Cuban had already bought homes and started businesses. Later they sent us criminals but the first were educated professionals. We can handle a few thousand from anywhere. We have a lot of Chinese, Indians and Muslims and they are slowly Americanizing.

Marco Rubio's grandparents came from Cuba.  Ted Cruz's father is Cuban.  How many others in our government are from immigrant families?
DT's own parents came from Germany, his first wife ? can't remember the country & his third wife another immigrant by devious routes.

I know my own are Dutch, German & English.  

That is different because all those people are either white, or look more European than hispanic.

[dezii]

Jun 24, 2018 12:35:38 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jun 24, 2018 1:20:10 GMT -5 dezii said:

A interesting statement from Fareed Zakaria, comparing how refugees in Europe do and are received and how in the  USA.

In the States, we are a society of immigrants...easily assimilated, it's expected, and by second generation, as he says his own kids, he is from India, it is a struggle ton get them to know a few words of dialect from the "old country"...a little appreciation of the foods of the old country...kids are Americanized.

In say France as a example, and same in all European countries...u go to the country side, the Baker, Butcher, candlestick maker, farmers.....same careers for many generations, same families and u set down a refugee from where ever...how do they fit in? They don't and u get enclaves, ghettos where few have been assimilated....

We are unique...especially on this level ...seems Donald and his base really don't understand that..[sad] 

You are not unique, as Canada is a nation of immigrants, as well.
We have even more people from foreign lands. One in five was born somewhere else.

No reason to get all antsy about it...so there are two nations that are unique...are we playing "who is  bigger " behind the barn here..?