Common Sense Gun Laws.

[OldCoyote]

What is wrong with the debate over "Common Sense Gun Laws"?
www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-letters-here-is-common-sense-on-guns-20180323-story.html

The writer starts her comments with,    Common sense often develops when individuals release their heads from wherever they may have been located, and see the light.

Hmmmmm,

baseball bats are specifically designed to play a sport;

Baseball bat are only a evolve club which was a,,,,,,,,,,,,, weapon
Hmmmmm.

Most important, military-style assault weapons are not designed as hunting weapons; they are specifically designed to kill as many people as possible

This is not true,,, the purpose is to injure as manyas possible,, An injured enemy take up resources, that takes those resources away from the battle field.

Had any of the despicable killers who carried out the mass murders of the past several years been allowed to be armed only with a true five-shot, bolt-action hunting rifle, there would still have been horrible tragic consequences, but many, many lives would have been spared.

www.history.com/this-day-in-history/an-ex-marine-goes-on-a-killing-spree-at-the-university-of-texas


The day you can show me, we have a problem with guns running around shooting people by themselves,,, then I will listen to your gun control argument..

Until then,, We have a problem with people who need control..
In Parkland,   How many warning signs do the the people in law enforcement , at the schools need before they do something??
there were RED flags every where!!!! Why aren't these people in charge of doing something, that could have prevented this,,,,,,,,,,,,,from being hung by public opinion??
The deputy failed to do his job,, the FBI agent failed to do his job, the police failed to do their job, the school officials failed to do their job!!!!!!!
How many RED Flags do you need??
Yet you fail to condemn those that failed their jobs,, the person that used the tool!!  You blame the tool.

So now you want to put all kinds of controls up to including total confiscation,,  that will have almost no effect on anything other than effecting a LAW BIDDING person,
Unless you have total confiscation of every weapon,, including clubs aka also known as baseball bats!!

[billisonboard]

Mar 24, 2018 9:55:27 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

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The day you can show me, we have a problem with guns running around shooting people by themselves,,, then I will listen to your gun control argument..

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You contradict yourself. You give critique of gun control arguments. You can't do that without first listening to them.

[dezii]

Mar 24, 2018 9:55:27 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

What is wrong with the debate over "Common Sense Gun Laws"?
www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-letters-here-is-common-sense-on-guns-20180323-story.html

The writer starts her comments with,    Common sense often develops when individuals release their heads from wherever they may have been located, and see the light.

Hmmmmm,

baseball bats are specifically designed to play a sport;

Baseball bat are only a evolve club which was a,,,,,,,,,,,,, weapon
Hmmmmm.

Most important, military-style assault weapons are not designed as hunting weapons; they are specifically designed to kill as many people as possible

This is not true,,, the purpose is to injure as manyas possible,, An injured enemy take up resources, that takes those resources away from the battle field.

Had any of the despicable killers who carried out the mass murders of the past several years been allowed to be armed only with a true five-shot, bolt-action hunting rifle, there would still have been horrible tragic consequences, but many, many lives would have been spared.

www.history.com/this-day-in-history/an-ex-marine-goes-on-a-killing-spree-at-the-university-of-texas


The day you can show me, we have a problem with guns running around shooting people by themselves,,, then I will listen to your gun control argument..

Until then,, We have a problem with people who need control..
In Parkland,   How many warning signs do the the people in law enforcement , at the schools need before they do something??
there were RED flags every where!!!! Why aren't these people in charge of doing something, that could have prevented this,,,,,,,,,,,,,from being hung by public opinion??
The deputy failed to do his job,, the FBI agent failed to do his job, the police failed to do their job, the school officials failed to do their job!!!!!!!
How many RED Flags do you need??
Yet you fail to condemn those that failed their jobs,, the person that used the tool!!  You blame the tool.

So now you want to put all kinds of controls up to including total confiscation,,  that will have almost no effect on anything other than effecting a LAW BIDDING person,
Unless you have total confiscation of every weapon,, including clubs aka also known as baseball bats!!

Am curious....have u ever been in a situation where u have had fire arms used against yourself or have used such weapons against others. If so , and if u actually have hit anyone...have u seen what  that has done to those hit..the after affects...

I find it hard to understand the why so many people are in love with these instruments...the need to have so many per person, the reason for some to open carry in a threatening way against others...especially long arms...and yes I find them a threat...very uncomfortable..Carried and was comfortable doing so in theater but on USA main street, not at all...

[tallguy]

I find it hard to understand the why so many people are in love with these instruments...the need to have so many per person, the reason for some to open carry in a threatening way against others...especially long arms...

It's actually pretty simple to explain the gun cult.  Guns are phallic symbols, and depict men's attempts to compensate for their own feelings of inadequacy or loss of power.  The bigger and more powerful, the better.  Displaying them openly is an attempt to intimidate.  These men feel emasculated by civilized society which de-emphasizes what they consider to be their more masculine traits and qualities.  They no longer have the economic power to truly take charge of and control their own lives.  They no longer have the ability to dominate women, either economically or sexually.  Their way to compensate, to create the illusion of power and control, is to adopt something that they believe shows their strength and power.  You can even call it "virility" or "potency" if you wish. They don't realize that real power does not require such artificial reinforcement. 

Don't believe me?  Think about it.  Even a lot of the terminology is the same.  If I had to guess, I'd say that most hard-core gun people... are firing blanks somewhere.   


    

[jkapp]

Mar 24, 2018 16:07:17 GMT -5 dezii said:

Mar 24, 2018 9:55:27 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

What is wrong with the debate over "Common Sense Gun Laws"?
www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-letters-here-is-common-sense-on-guns-20180323-story.html

The writer starts her comments with,    Common sense often develops when individuals release their heads from wherever they may have been located, and see the light.

Hmmmmm,

baseball bats are specifically designed to play a sport;

Baseball bat are only a evolve club which was a,,,,,,,,,,,,, weapon
Hmmmmm.

Most important, military-style assault weapons are not designed as hunting weapons; they are specifically designed to kill as many people as possible

This is not true,,, the purpose is to injure as manyas possible,, An injured enemy take up resources, that takes those resources away from the battle field.

Had any of the despicable killers who carried out the mass murders of the past several years been allowed to be armed only with a true five-shot, bolt-action hunting rifle, there would still have been horrible tragic consequences, but many, many lives would have been spared.

www.history.com/this-day-in-history/an-ex-marine-goes-on-a-killing-spree-at-the-university-of-texas


The day you can show me, we have a problem with guns running around shooting people by themselves,,, then I will listen to your gun control argument..

Until then,, We have a problem with people who need control..
In Parkland,   How many warning signs do the the people in law enforcement , at the schools need before they do something??
there were RED flags every where!!!! Why aren't these people in charge of doing something, that could have prevented this,,,,,,,,,,,,,from being hung by public opinion??
The deputy failed to do his job,, the FBI agent failed to do his job, the police failed to do their job, the school officials failed to do their job!!!!!!!
How many RED Flags do you need??
Yet you fail to condemn those that failed their jobs,, the person that used the tool!!  You blame the tool.

So now you want to put all kinds of controls up to including total confiscation,,  that will have almost no effect on anything other than effecting a LAW BIDDING person,
Unless you have total confiscation of every weapon,, including clubs aka also known as baseball bats!!

Am curious....have u ever been in a situation where u have had fire arms used against yourself or have used such weapons against others. If so , and if u actually have hit anyone...have u seen what  that has done to those hit..the after affects...

I find it hard to understand the why so many people are in love with these instruments...the need to have so many per person, the reason for some to open carry in a threatening way against others...especially long arms...and yes I find them a threat...very uncomfortable..Carried and was comfortable doing so in theater but on USA main street, not at all...

I say the same thing about cell phones...why can't people put those damn things down for even a twenty minute car ride?  But no, instead we have these idiots talking and texting at 80 miles per hour and then killing other people on the road!  So why aren't we banning cell phones?  They also aren't needed and are killing more people than guns!

[Gardening Grandma]

Mar 24, 2018 17:37:11 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Mar 24, 2018 16:07:17 GMT -5 dezii said:

Am curious....have u ever been in a situation where u have had fire arms used against yourself or have used such weapons against others. If so , and if u actually have hit anyone...have u seen what  that has done to those hit..the after affects...

I find it hard to understand the why so many people are in love with these instruments...the need to have so many per person, the reason for some to open carry in a threatening way against others...especially long arms...and yes I find them a threat...very uncomfortable..Carried and was comfortable doing so in theater but on USA main street, not at all...

I say the same thing about cell phones...why can't people put those damn things down for even a twenty minute car ride?  But no, instead we have these idiots talking and texting at 80 miles per hour and then killing other people on the road!  So why aren't we banning cell phones?  They also aren't needed and are killing more people than guns!

When a nutcase can go into a classroom and slaughter children with a cell phone, I’ll agree with you. 

[Tennesseer]

Mar 24, 2018 17:37:11 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Mar 24, 2018 16:07:17 GMT -5 dezii said:

Am curious....have u ever been in a situation where u have had fire arms used against yourself or have used such weapons against others. If so , and if u actually have hit anyone...have u seen what  that has done to those hit..the after affects...

I find it hard to understand the why so many people are in love with these instruments...the need to have so many per person, the reason for some to open carry in a threatening way against others...especially long arms...and yes I find them a threat...very uncomfortable..Carried and was comfortable doing so in theater but on USA main street, not at all...

I say the same thing about cell phones...why can't people put those damn things down for even a twenty minute car ride?  But no, instead we have these idiots talking and texting at 80 miles per hour and then killing other people on the road!  So why aren't we banning cell phones?  They also aren't needed and are killing more people than guns!

The vast majority of Americans have no desire to take away your guns. Just tighter control (who can buy them and who cannot) of semi-automatic and assault firearms.

Distracted driving
Cellphones and texting laws

March 2018

Talking on a hand-held cellphone while driving is banned in 15 states and the District of Columbia.

The use of all cellphones by novice drivers is restricted in 38 states and the District of Columbia.

Text messaging is banned for all drivers in 47 states and the District of Columbia. In addition, novice drivers are banned from texting in one state (Missouri).

Many localities have enacted their own bans on cellphones or text messaging. In some but not all states, local jurisdictions need specific statutory authority to do so. In addition, most school bus drivers are banned from texting and using hand-held cellphones by state code, regulation or school district policy.

The table and maps below show the states that have cellphone laws, whether they specifically ban text messaging, and whether they are enforced as primary or secondary laws. Under secondary laws, an officer must have some other reason to stop a vehicle before citing a driver for using a cellphone. Laws without this restriction are called primary.

Link to maps: link

[tallguy]

Bad link.

[Tennesseer]

Mar 24, 2018 18:15:18 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Bad link.

Thanks, TG.

Link fixed.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 24, 2018 17:34:33 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I find it hard to understand the why so many people are in love with these instruments...the need to have so many per person, the reason for some to open carry in a threatening way against others...especially long arms...

It's actually pretty simple to explain the gun cult.  Guns are phallic symbols, and depict men's attempts to compensate for their own feelings of inadequacy or loss of power.  The bigger and more powerful, the better.  Displaying them openly is an attempt to intimidate.  These men feel emasculated by civilized society which de-emphasizes what they consider to be their more masculine traits and qualities.  They no longer have the economic power to truly take charge of and control their own lives.  They no longer have the ability to dominate women, either economically or sexually.  Their way to compensate, to create the illusion of power and control, is to adopt something that they believe shows their strength and power.  You can even call it "virility" or "potency" if you wish. They don't realize that real power does not require such artificial reinforcement. 

Don't believe me?  Think about it.  Even a lot of the terminology is the same.  If I had to guess, I'd say that most hard-core gun people... are firing blanks somewhere.   


    

Don't you own several guns?

[tallguy]

Mar 24, 2018 19:41:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 24, 2018 17:34:33 GMT -5 tallguy said:

It's actually pretty simple to explain the gun cult.  Guns are phallic symbols, and depict men's attempts to compensate for their own feelings of inadequacy or loss of power.  The bigger and more powerful, the better.  Displaying them openly is an attempt to intimidate.  These men feel emasculated by civilized society which de-emphasizes what they consider to be their more masculine traits and qualities.  They no longer have the economic power to truly take charge of and control their own lives.  They no longer have the ability to dominate women, either economically or sexually.  Their way to compensate, to create the illusion of power and control, is to adopt something that they believe shows their strength and power.  You can even call it "virility" or "potency" if you wish. They don't realize that real power does not require such artificial reinforcement. 

Don't believe me?  Think about it.  Even a lot of the terminology is the same.  If I had to guess, I'd say that most hard-core gun people... are firing blanks somewhere.   


    

Don't you own several guns?

No, not me, although there are several self-described liberals here who do.  I acknowledge a distinction between urban and rural areas, in which there may in fact be a need, but as a city-dweller I cannot imagine anything in my life becoming so bad that I would ever consider owning a gun.  I was also a parent, and there is no way in hell I would allow a gun in my house as a parent. 

[dezii]

Mar 24, 2018 17:37:11 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Mar 24, 2018 16:07:17 GMT -5 dezii said:

Am curious....have u ever been in a situation where u have had fire arms used against yourself or have used such weapons against others. If so , and if u actually have hit anyone...have u seen what  that has done to those hit..the after affects...

I find it hard to understand the why so many people are in love with these instruments...the need to have so many per person, the reason for some to open carry in a threatening way against others...especially long arms...and yes I find them a threat...very uncomfortable..Carried and was comfortable doing so in theater but on USA main street, not at all...

I say the same thing about cell phones...why can't people put those damn things down for even a twenty minute car ride?  But no, instead we have these idiots talking and texting at 80 miles per hour and then killing other people on the road!  So why aren't we banning cell phones?  They also aren't needed and are killing more people than guns!

Actually...and it is a great example of how some regulations on a topic does not have to be a game ender or big changer....in Connecticut it is against the law to use a cell to the ear and drive...and they will stop and issue tickets..good sixe fine...possible other States too but Ct I know is a fact...U can do a hands off communication...many cars have that feature I believe..I know my son uses that feature...my daughter too...she is in Mass. ...am guessing grand kids too...

You are correct that it is a very dangerous thing...all States should have that on their books....same as the seat belt law...think all states have that as a law...if not then for shame on them...

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 24, 2018 19:48:46 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 24, 2018 19:41:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Don't you own several guns?

No, not me, although there are several self-described liberals here who do.  I acknowledge a distinction between urban and rural areas, in which there may in fact be a need, but as a city-dweller I cannot imagine anything in my life becoming so bad that I would ever consider owning a gun.  I was also a parent, and there is no way in hell I would allow a gun in my house as a parent.

Your little diatribe above is satire, though, right? That's what the smiley at the end means?

[tallguy]

Mar 24, 2018 20:17:19 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 24, 2018 19:48:46 GMT -5 tallguy said:

No, not me, although there are several self-described liberals here who do.  I acknowledge a distinction between urban and rural areas, in which there may in fact be a need, but as a city-dweller I cannot imagine anything in my life becoming so bad that I would ever consider owning a gun.  I was also a parent, and there is no way in hell I would allow a gun in my house as a parent.

Your little diatribe above is satire, though, right? That's what the smiley at the end means?

Hard to tell sometimes, isn't it?  

To the extent that I limited it to the hard-core, assault-type weapon, open-carry statement-makers in the segment quoted it is quite likely true.  As a general statement about ALL gun owners I would not consider that justified, but then I did not make the statement about all gun owners.  Regardless, it is probably true about a lot more than one would think, and anyone who makes a big production of making their gun ownership public is immediately suspect.

[steff]

Mar 24, 2018 19:48:46 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 24, 2018 19:41:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Don't you own several guns?

No, not me, although there are several self-described liberals here who do.  I acknowledge a distinction between urban and rural areas, in which there may in fact be a need, but as a city-dweller I cannot imagine anything in my life becoming so bad that I would ever consider owning a gun.  I was also a parent, and there is no way in hell I would allow a gun in my house as a parent. 

I am a Liberal and there are guns in my house.  We are in a rural area & the guns are used for hunting (for food, not sport).   I refused to allow guns in the house while my son was young.  The guns are also secured, locked in a gun safe, with the ammo kept in a separate location in the house.  As I've also said before, my hubby agreed with all of this because his younger brother was accidentally shot by a friend when he was a teen. 

gun control isn't "coming to take everyone's gun".  No matter how many times people try to claim it is. 

[OldCoyote]

Mar 24, 2018 16:07:17 GMT -5 dezii said:

Mar 24, 2018 9:55:27 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

What is wrong with the debate over "Common Sense Gun Laws"?
www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-letters-here-is-common-sense-on-guns-20180323-story.html

The writer starts her comments with,    Common sense often develops when individuals release their heads from wherever they may have been located, and see the light.

Hmmmmm,

baseball bats are specifically designed to play a sport;

Baseball bat are only a evolve club which was a,,,,,,,,,,,,, weapon
Hmmmmm.

Most important, military-style assault weapons are not designed as hunting weapons; they are specifically designed to kill as many people as possible

This is not true,,, the purpose is to injure as manyas possible,, An injured enemy take up resources, that takes those resources away from the battle field.

Had any of the despicable killers who carried out the mass murders of the past several years been allowed to be armed only with a true five-shot, bolt-action hunting rifle, there would still have been horrible tragic consequences, but many, many lives would have been spared.

www.history.com/this-day-in-history/an-ex-marine-goes-on-a-killing-spree-at-the-university-of-texas


The day you can show me, we have a problem with guns running around shooting people by themselves,,, then I will listen to your gun control argument..

Until then,, We have a problem with people who need control..
In Parkland,   How many warning signs do the the people in law enforcement , at the schools need before they do something??
there were RED flags every where!!!! Why aren't these people in charge of doing something, that could have prevented this,,,,,,,,,,,,,from being hung by public opinion??
The deputy failed to do his job,, the FBI agent failed to do his job, the police failed to do their job, the school officials failed to do their job!!!!!!!
How many RED Flags do you need??
Yet you fail to condemn those that failed their jobs,, the person that used the tool!!  You blame the tool.

So now you want to put all kinds of controls up to including total confiscation,,  that will have almost no effect on anything other than effecting a LAW BIDDING person,
Unless you have total confiscation of every weapon,, including clubs aka also known as baseball bats!!

Am curious....have u ever been in a situation where u have had fire arms used against yourself or have used such weapons against others. If so , and if u actually have hit anyone...have u seen what  that has done to those hit..the after affects...

I find it hard to understand the why so many people are in love with these instruments...the need to have so many per person, the reason for some to open carry in a threatening way against others...especially long arms...and yes I find them a threat...very uncomfortable..Carried and was comfortable doing so in theater but on USA main street, not at all...

Tell me what is your stance on the fact that everyone and their brother were warned about this kid ,, no one did anything,,,,,,,
That is until the crime happened, then every one has the answer.   and no authorities are responsible.

[OldCoyote]

Mar 24, 2018 10:38:43 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Mar 24, 2018 9:55:27 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

...

The day you can show me, we have a problem with guns running around shooting people by themselves,,, then I will listen to your gun control argument..

...

You contradict yourself. You give critique of gun control arguments. You can't do that without first listening to them.

You show me that gun that runs around shooting people all by itself, I will be right beside you calling for it control,,
Now all you have to do is find that gun that shoots people all by itself.

[dezii]

Mar 24, 2018 23:11:20 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Mar 24, 2018 16:07:17 GMT -5 dezii said:

Am curious....have u ever been in a situation where u have had fire arms used against yourself or have used such weapons against others. If so , and if u actually have hit anyone...have u seen what  that has done to those hit..the after affects...

I find it hard to understand the why so many people are in love with these instruments...the need to have so many per person, the reason for some to open carry in a threatening way against others...especially long arms...and yes I find them a threat...very uncomfortable..Carried and was comfortable doing so in theater but on USA main street, not at all...

Tell me what is your stance on the fact that everyone and their brother were warned about this kid ,, no one did anything,,,,,,,
That is until the crime happened, then every one has the answer.   and no authorities are responsible.

  What's to say...all authorities connected to the incident fell down...however, understandable...The local cops who went to the house when the mother complained probably see many of these cases and legally, many times their hands are tied...Now we say they should have just picked him up and then what...arrest..book him...what charges and bring him to a mental facility...? Are there any anymore State run and do they have the authority" Confiscate any fire arms found.? Don't believe legally they have that right.

FBI ones who got the call...they fell down too...but also believe they get many such calls...some they pass on...

Fact is, if age was 21, legally he couldn't have purchased the rifle...If type was not available for sale then would have had to settle with different type weapons...possible not as fast firing...or shot guns, hand guns...still would have been killings...

Who knows, in fifty years from now...we have many more of these, some in NRA  country, we might just join the rest of the civilized world and have real firearm laws in affect..NRA and such organization no longer as powerful as they are now or run by same type folks...Possible more sane ones will be in charge if membership gets smart and takes back control from the crazy fanatics who are in charge now...

[billisonboard]

Mar 24, 2018 23:18:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Mar 24, 2018 10:38:43 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

You contradict yourself. You give critique of gun control arguments. You can't do that without first listening to them.

You show me that gun that runs around shooting people all by itself, I will be right beside you calling for it control,,
Now all you have to do is find that gun that shoots people all by itself.

No sweat. Our nation's youth are going to get things done without you.

[Blonde Granny]

Mar 24, 2018 17:34:33 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I find it hard to understand the why so many people are in love with these instruments...the need to have so many per person, the reason for some to open carry in a threatening way against others...especially long arms...

It's actually pretty simple to explain the gun cult.  Guns are phallic symbols, and depict men's attempts to compensate for their own feelings of inadequacy or loss of power.  The bigger and more powerful, the better.  Displaying them openly is an attempt to intimidate.  These men feel emasculated by civilized society which de-emphasizes what they consider to be their more masculine traits and qualities.  They no longer have the economic power to truly take charge of and control their own lives.  They no longer have the ability to dominate women, either economically or sexually.  Their way to compensate, to create the illusion of power and control, is to adopt something that they believe shows their strength and power.  You can even call it "virility" or "potency" if you wish. They don't realize that real power does not require such artificial reinforcement. 

Don't believe me?  Think about it.  Even a lot of the terminology is the same.  If I had to guess, I'd say that most hard-core gun people... are firing blanks somewhere.   


    

Is it only men who love their fire arms and carry? Sheesh....wonder where that leaves me.  I own 2, one a .380 and the other a 9MM.  

On edit: And I also have my carry permit.  My carry gun is a Glock 43 9MM.

[kadee79]

Mar 24, 2018 21:18:20 GMT -5 steff said:

Mar 24, 2018 19:48:46 GMT -5 tallguy said:

No, not me, although there are several self-described liberals here who do.  I acknowledge a distinction between urban and rural areas, in which there may in fact be a need, but as a city-dweller I cannot imagine anything in my life becoming so bad that I would ever consider owning a gun.  I was also a parent, and there is no way in hell I would allow a gun in my house as a parent. 

I am a Liberal and there are guns in my house.  We are in a rural area & the guns are used for hunting (for food, not sport).   I refused to allow guns in the house while my son was young.  The guns are also secured, locked in a gun safe, with the ammo kept in a separate location in the house.  As I've also said before, my hubby agreed with all of this because his younger brother was accidentally shot by a friend when he was a teen. 

gun control isn't "coming to take everyone's gun".  No matter how many times people try to claim it is. 

Another liberal (leaning) here who also owns guns.  Was brought up with guns in the house and so was my son.  We have lived rural most of our lives, but not always, but there have always been guns in the house and NOT locked up cause they won't do me any good if I need one in a hurry.  Some are distributed through the house in various places.
I, my son and my grandchildren were all taught to shoot, how to do it safely, how to break down & clean each gun and NOT to shoot at anyone at any time unless your life was in danger.  My son learned a hard lesson when he was young....he pointed his bb rifle at a cousin, his Dad took it from him & bent the barrel by hitting the side of a wheelbarrow with it.  He didn't get another bb gun until he understood he would NEVER point it at anyone.
I have been robbed by gun point in a grocery store, I've used a long gun to dissuade a trespasser, I carry a gun in my vehicle as some parts of town I drive through are NOT safe (drugs), my parents both died by suicide with guns (Mother when I was 4-5 & Father when I was 15).  First hubby hunted, present one doesn't....but we live at least 30 min. from the local sheriff's station and could be dead before they get here if we can't protect ourselves.  We do have dangerous critters around though...such as rattle snakes and possible rabid foxes or coons, so DH often carries here on our land.
I totally agree with strong gun control, especially background checks & even mental health procedures too!  There is NO training required to get licensed in my state...you go fill out the forms, get finger printed, they run a background check, you pay your $$$ and it will come in the mail in a couple of weeks.

[OldCoyote]

Mar 25, 2018 0:17:03 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Mar 24, 2018 23:18:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

You show me that gun that runs around shooting people all by itself, I will be right beside you calling for it control,,
Now all you have to do is find that gun that shoots people all by itself.

No sweat. Our nation's youth are going to get things done without you.

Chasing and imaginary threat!!!

So what is next when they find that they managed to bring guns under control, people still manage to kill each other?

[billisonboard]

Mar 25, 2018 9:40:33 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Mar 25, 2018 0:17:03 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

No sweat. Our nation's youth are going to get things done without you.

Chasing and imaginary threat!!!

So what is next when they find that they managed to bring guns under control, people still manage to kill each other?

They will find comfort that the body count is less.

[tallguy]

Mar 25, 2018 9:51:36 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Mar 25, 2018 9:40:33 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Chasing and imaginary threat!!!

So what is next when they find that they managed to bring guns under control, people still manage to kill each other?

They will find comfort that the body count is less.

It'll be a heckuva lot lower when potential killers realize that they would actually have to expend an effort to kill someone.  So much easier to just pull a trigger.  Any moron can do that.     

[OldCoyote]

Chicago, Has all the gun laws in place,  it is that imaginary gun free safe place,

That makes it one of the safest places in the World,  Right??

Tell me again how this gun control thing is going to work.

[billisonboard]

Mar 25, 2018 10:19:05 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Chicago, Has all the gun laws in place,  it is that imaginary gun free safe place,

That makes it one of the safest places in the World,  Right??

Tell me again how this gun control thing is going to work.

Nationally

[OldCoyote]

Mar 25, 2018 10:21:42 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Mar 25, 2018 10:19:05 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Chicago, Has all the gun laws in place,  it is that imaginary gun free safe place,

That makes it one of the safest places in the World,  Right??

Tell me again how this gun control thing is going to work.

Nationally

I see the entire Nation is going to look like Chicago.

[Tennesseer]

No civilian needs a firearm which can shoot these many bullets in such little time. No one.

Two examples:

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 25, 2018 9:40:33 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Mar 25, 2018 0:17:03 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

No sweat. Our nation's youth are going to get things done without you.

Chasing and imaginary threat!!!

So what is next when they find that they managed to bring guns under control, people still manage to kill each other?

Your real worry should be about what happens when all the background checks, age restrictions, and piecemeal bans fail to curb the body count. Tomorrow's army of raging tots will have their sights set on handgun bans, and if one of those ever makes it into federal law... wow. The only question left is how many thousand dead LEOs before the repeal.

[weltschmerz]

Mar 25, 2018 10:19:05 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Chicago, Has all the gun laws in place,  it is that imaginary gun free safe place,

That makes it one of the safest places in the World,  Right??

Tell me again how this gun control thing is going to work.

Oh come on!
Surely, even you can understand why a "gun-free city" can't possibly work!
Are there border guards surrounding the city, checking everything that goes in or out, like the Canada-US border crossing, where cars are searched for weapons coming in to Canada? And then confiscated?

Or can any idiot with a truck full of weaponry just drive into the city, as easy as you please?
If it's the latter, what the hell is the point? It's a meaningless designation which does absolutely nothing.